Knicks Morning News (2015.10.20)

  • [New York Daily News] Isola: James Dolan’s timing can’t be good for Phil Jackson (Tue, 20 Oct 2015 02:58:50 GMT)

    James Dolan grants on-camera interviews about as often as the Knicks win playoff series.

  • [New York Daily News] James Dolan says Anucha Browne Sanders made up allegations (Tue, 20 Oct 2015 02:48:27 GMT)

    Dolan also acknowledged that he could’ve settled out of court for a much lesser sum, but was committed to fighting for ‘the truth.’

  • [New York Times] Late Dunk by Kelly Gives Lakers Win Over Blazers (Tue, 20 Oct 2015 05:09:34 GMT)

    Ryan Kelley drove the lane for a tiebreaking dunk off an inbounds play with 2 seconds remaining, Jordan Clarkson scored 17 points and Lakers No.1 draft pick D’Angelo Russell scored eight of his 12 points in the final 3 1-2 minutes, leading Los Angeles to a 104-102 preseason victory over the Portland Trail Blazers on Monday night.

  • [New York Times] Odom’s Status Is Improving (Tue, 20 Oct 2015 04:08:22 GMT)

    The former N.B.A. star Lamar Odom, who was found unconscious at a Nevada brothel last week, is alert, and his condition is improving.

  • [New York Times] Harden Leads Balanced Offense as Rockets Beat Pelicans (Tue, 20 Oct 2015 02:45:52 GMT)

    James Harden scored 20 points and Houston had six in double figures as the Rockets defeated the New Orleans Pelicans, 120-100 in a preseason game Monday at the Toyota Center.

  • [New York Times] Celtics Beat Nets 111-105 (Tue, 20 Oct 2015 02:09:41 GMT)

    Rookie Terry Rozier scored 16 points and had six assists to lead the Boston Celtics to a 111-105 preseason victory over the Brooklyn Nets on Monday night.

  • [New York Times] Cavs Defeat Mavs 103-97 to Avoid Winless Preseason (Tue, 20 Oct 2015 01:45:34 GMT)

    J.R. Smith scored 19 points and the Cleveland Cavaliers avoided a winless preseason with a 103-97 victory over the Dallas Mavericks on Monday night.

  • [New York Times] Walker, Lin Lead Unbeaten Hornets Over Bulls 94-86 (Tue, 20 Oct 2015 01:36:42 GMT)

    Kemba Walker scored 22 points, Jeremy Lin added 18 points and eight rebounds, and the Charlotte Hornets defeated the Chicago Bulls 94-86 on Monday night to remain undefeated in the preseason.

  • 39 replies on “Knicks Morning News (2015.10.20)”

    With the season about a week away, this is what I’d like to see from the team. I want them to use Porzingis in the starting lineup doing what he does best, namely stretching the defenses with his outside shot and being a rim protector. If he can do these two things he’s perfect for the starting unit. The rest of his game will develop later. We haven’t seen much of Afflalo but he is just what the doctor ordered. Efficient outside scorer who can post smaller guards and a tough defender. Also has chemistry with Melo. Rolo is the unsung giant who anchors the defense and doesn’t need the ball. Calderon is smart, shoots the 3 ball, and finds the open man. His defense is poor but he’ll have 2 rim protectors behind him. Add in a healthy Melo who is becoming a team leader and not hogging the ball and this could be an awesome unit.

    Grant/ Galloway are fantastic on the second unit and we’ll all love watching them play in the up tempo game. When you mix in DWil , Oquinn, Early, Seraphin this unit can run you into the ground athletically and beat you up physically. And Oquinn is like having Oakley back!!

    We have a smart triangle unit and a fast athletic one. Kind of like how a baseball pitcher is better off with a fastball and a changeup. We can go fast or slow. Depth and diversity of styles.

    I hope that both units play about equal minutes except for Melo of course. They’ll be a handful to contend with because we’re also a great mix of youth and experience. Should be fun!

    I want them to use Porzingis in the starting lineup doing what he does best, namely stretching the defenses with his outside shot and being a rim protector. If he can do these two things …

    Can he or can’t he?

    If our season depends so much on a #4 pick rookie plus a bunch of unknowns/rethreads, the team is in great trouble. 30 wins if all goes well. 35 if team excels.

    On an un-related note: I wonder what the general perception of Isaiah Thomas would be if he had delivered a couple of rings to NY. – I’m afraid he would not be responsible for Marbury’s ugly behavior and “it’s a he-said-she said situation, you know?”, “I mean, Kobe Bryant was accused of rape and nobody is trying to crucify him!”, “It’s not like he actually touched her or chased her” and all sort of excuses for the same slimy person.

    On an un-related note: I wonder what the general perception of Isaiah Thomas would be if he had delivered a couple of rings to NY. – I’m afraid he would not be responsible for Marbury’s ugly behavior and “it’s a he-said-she said situation, you know?”, “I mean, Kobe Bryant was accused of rape and nobody is trying to crucify him!”, “It’s not like he actually touched her or chased her” and all sort of excuses for the same slimy person.

    The impression of him is as a lying, always with an excuse, everything he touches turns to garbage guy. If the Knicks won that would not be his reputation. So it is almost like if my aunt had balls she would be my uncle.

    @ 2 – The original poster just said that KP will just have to rim protect and stretch the defense with his outside shooting and the rest can develop later. How is that “depending so much” on our #4 pick. He’s saying all he has to do is do what he all ready does well. That seems pretty easy.

    Also, who are the retreads you speak of? Affalo? Rolo? I’ll give you Calderon but the original poster also threw in the caveat of him being poor on defense.

    Well, this is at least somewhat promising:

    “Can you envision any scenario where Isiah makes it back to the Knicks?” Bryant Gumbel asks.

    “No,” Dolan responds. “For starters, I can’t imagine having a better [management] team as I have with the Knicks right now.

    “Even if there was no Phil [Jackson] or no Steve [Mills], I would not do it,” Dolan adds.

    “There’s 29 teams, right, out there in the NBA, any one of which would be an easier assignment than this one. I don’t think that the New York market would ever give him a fair chance at this. And I can’t imagine why that would be … what would make it worthwhile.”

    Obviously, he can and maybe will change his mind, but this is at least twice now that Dolan has said publicly that he would never put Isiah in charge of the Knicks again — not because he thinks he did a bad job, but because he wouldn’t want to do that to his best buddy.

    @1 – I am in agreement with your assessment and I think your 11-man rotation is spot on and I’m optimistic as well – not 70 win optimism but playoff contender optimism.

    @2 – On point #1. 35 wins is a good target for this team. Anything less than 30 will disappoint. Anything over 40 will exceed expectations for me. On point #2 – This is a bad question because to have won two championships the team would not have behaved the way that they did. In other words, I agree with NickC.

    @5 – Wonderful news.

    @ 2 – The original poster just said that KP will just have to rim protect and stretch the defense with his outside shooting and the rest can develop later. How is that “depending so much” on our #4 pick. He’s saying all he has to do is do what he all ready does well. That seems pretty easy.

    The problem with that is that we do not know whether he can actually do those things. We are treating a promising rookie (that’s all he is right now) like he is Dirk Nowitzki and making performance predictions for the team based on Porzingis’ Nowitzli-like game. If we are going to extrapolate anything on such a small sample size, we could conclude Porzingis is very injury prone. But that would not be well-received, right?

    Also, who are the retreads you speak of? Affalo? Rolo? I’ll give you Calderon but the original poster also threw in the caveat of him being poor on defense.

    Calderon, Seraphin, Derrick Williams, Afflalo, Vujevic, Thomas, Amundson, etc.. They can’t play much. That’s nearly 50% of the roster.

    Early, Thanasis & Galloway complete 2/3 of the roster.

    In fact, other than Melo and Lopez (a journeyman center) , there is not a single NBA starter-caliber player on the Knicks.

    In fact, other than Melo and Lopez (a journeyman center) , there is not a single NBA starter-caliber player on the Knicks.

    Lopez is better than a journeyman, unless you define journeyman as consistently above average. Robin Lopez is a good NBA player who would start for, I dunno, 20 odd teams in the NBA.

    And don’t sleep on the Langsanity. He might not start for the Knicks, but he’s going to be good this season.

    CBN has to be trolling. The OP was very explicit in saying KP has a couple things he should do well — not Dirk Nowitzki. That was also re-stated by swift below it.

    The Knicks are being extra cautious with his injuries, so it’s hard to say that’s a glaring pattern at this point.

    There are a bunch of ways to look at it. First of all, there are dozens of starters worse than AA and Calderon across the league.

    The Knicks could have an extremely efficient starting 5. Afflalo should be back to a much more comfortable usage. While I don’t necessarily expect him to be the 630+ TS player he was alongside Melo in his final 1 1/2 years with him, 570-590 TS in a more off-ball role should be attainable.

    If Calderon can be somewhere between where he was in his final year in Dallas (600 TS, 11.5 to%) and his injury plagued season of a year ago (520 TS, 17 to%) something like 560 TS and 13 TO %, Rolo can be an average of his last three seasons, 585 TS/13 ORR/11 turnover rate, and Melo can be an average of his last three healthy seasons 560 TS/9%to/6% RR….

    You would have four in your starting lineup with above to well above average TS, four with well above average TO %, and decent offensive rebounding ability.

    I don’t expect the starting lineup to be great defensively, even with two potential shot-alterers, but that should be a top 5-10 offensive unit.

    I think it’s safe to say O’Quinn is going be very solid. There’s so much uncertainty with everyone else, but it’s not overly-optimistic to think at least two of Williams, Seraphin, Galloway, Grant, KP and Anthony turn out to be good this year.

    That would give the Knicks 7 average to above average players. If they can get three of those guys to be average to above average, that’s a rotation.

    The Knicks aren’t winning 54 games because they don’t have a second high impact player like Chandler was in ’12, but I think .500 is reasonable.

    ruru –

    I don’t agree with you, but I’m happy you’re still posting here. The negativity (even if it’s just trolling, which this seems to be) can get tiresome.

    I think this is a below-average team, but it’s a very rootable team, and if they exceeded expectations by going .500, I’d say they’re ahead of schedule, not that they’ve done the impossible. In some ways, they are beginning to resemble the Knicks I loved in the early 90s. I think they can be a playoff team again next year. We need Grant to be the solid playmaker he appears at first glance to be; we need O-Quinn to be the tough enforcer with a jump shot he appears to be; obviously we need Porzingis to become the X factor. But Melo is reliable, when healthy, and there’s no reason he shouldn’t be healthy for another three years. It can happen.

    I’d be more excited if we had our freaking draft pick this year, but…Bargs. Bargs!!

    I have not watched a game yet. It seems like those of you who have are upbeat. That is not always the case. When probable 8th-12th man Lance Thomas is the biggest all is good in Knickland compared to years gone by.

    It’s worth considering that despite all the negativity this board has collectively been wildly over optimistic the past two seasons. Our starting lineup up could very well be good on offense, but there is a lot of injury risk in there. 3 guys 30+, two of whom missed half of last year, Rolo who has never been an iron man, and a kid.

    The bench is short of proven productivity, but for the first time in a while its long on upside and athleticism. This team should at least be fun for the first time in 3 years

    The bench is short of proven productivity, but for the first time in a while its long on upside and athleticism.

    I think that’s the main reason for the optimism. Last year, we had to keep talking ourselves into the likes of Quincy Acy or Travis Wear, whereas now we have guys who seem not only reasonably competent now, but like they have room to grow. If/when Lopez is injured, I’d feel comfortable with O’Quinn starting at center for a bit. If Afflalo’s out, we have several interesting guards. A long-term Melo injury screws us, but beyond that, our relative success is going to depend mainly on how quickly, if at all, guys grow from what they can do now.

    Could be 30 wins. Could, if everything clicks right, be ~40. But it should be a whole lot more fun than it’s been in a while.

    Lopez is better than a journeyman, unless you define journeyman as consistently above average.

    I think the definition of journeyman is someone who goes from team to team, good enough to play, but not good enough to stick. Lopez, playing for his 4th team in 5 years, seems to qualify. He’s not at Drew Gooden or Louis Amundson levels yet, but then again he’s only 26.

    I’m just having a hard time seeing how we won’t make the playoffs considering we have two starters from last year’s Portland Trailblazers playoff roster, a starter from Dallas’ 2014 playoff roster, and Carmelo Anthony in our starting five. I really believe everyone has it wrong. This team, to me, will fall between 38-45 wins this year. I’m always optimistic about my team’s chances, but we just aren’t the team that had to rely on a bunch of bench players for starters’ minutes like we were last year. Shane Larkin, Jason Smith, Tim Hardaway Jr, and Langston Galloway were our top four players in minutes played last season, and Carmelo Anthony on one knee was fifth. Lance Thomas of all people played over 1,000 minutes for us last year. Those things will not be true this year. I expect our top 5 players in total minutes played to be Carmelo Anthony, Arron Afflalo, Robin Lopez, Jerian Grant, and Kyle O’Quinn. I don’t expect players as bad as Jason Smith (.045 WS/48), Quincy Acy (0.063 WS/48), Lance Thomas (-0.022 WS/48), Shane Larkin (.035 WS/48), or Andrea Bargnani (0.058 WS/48) to see the minutes those players saw last year. We’ll see, but I don’t see how this roster isn’t drastically better than the one we had last year. 43 wins for the New York Knicks this year anchored by Carmelo Anthony, Jose Calderon, Arron Afflalo, Kyle O’Quinn, and Robin Lopez’s above average play. That’s where I stand.

    Sportsbook has the Knicks o/u at 29.5. Seems about right….

    I hate betting on the Knicks and have only ever done it once and when I saw the line opened up at 31.5 thought was fair and moved on with my day. Last week it had got bet down to 28.5 and I put $100 bucks on the over because I think that’s really pessimistic even for a team I’m not expecting to make the playoffs though as a fan I’ll forever be hopeful.

    I think the definition of journeyman is someone who goes from team to team, good enough to play, but not good enough to stick. Lopez, playing for his 4th team in 5 years, seems to qualify. He’s not at Drew Gooden or Louis Amundson levels yet, but then again he’s only 26.

    Portland would have kept Lopez if Aldridge had stayed. They didn’t make any attempt to re-resign him because they don’t plan on trying to win games right now as much as developing a young core. Also Tyson Chandler was and is a journeyman center and is somebody many people on this board thinks is an elite, game changing center. I don’t know how much I care about how many teams a player has been a part of as long as he’s been good in all of those places and from everything I’ve looked at and seen thus far in his time with the Knicks RoLo is a solid, above average NBA center.

    I agree that I’d bet the over on 29.5 wins. That’s “just” a 13 win improvement.

    I agree that I’d bet the over on 29.5 wins. That’s “just” a 13 win improvement.

    I might have even done 29.5, but I saw 28.5 and my mind was made. If it wasn’t the Knicks and I trusted myself to be rational I’d probably have put more down on it.

    That’s “just” a 13 win improvement.

    And while that’s normally a huge leap for a terrible team, this team has so little resemblance to last year’s as to make the 17-win total nearly irrelevant in terms of predicting this year’s total.

    We got a lot of posters falling victim to a close cousin of the planning fallacy in here. It’s all well and good to imagine what the season looks like if everything goes according to plan, but it’s not a very good way to try to figure out what’s likely to happen.

    Start asking yourself questions like: What if Carmelo Anthony plays only 65 games? What if we don’t assume that Calderon and Afflalo’s play last season represent complete aberrations? What if our rookies are more like rookies and less like solid NBA players? What if Derek Fisher is exactly as bad a coach as he looked last year? What if we have two bad injuries to guys we’re currently penciling into big rotation minutes?

    Not all of those things will come to pass obviously, but a lot of what Ruru (for example) is positing as reasonable sounds an awful lot like best case scenario to me. That’s pretty much the definition of the planning fallacy.

    I’m not penciling anyone into big minutes except possibly Melo. And even he should be limited to 35 or so.

    We have to hope that this system will make the whole greater than the individual parts. It wouldn’t surprise me because we have a lot of pieces, comradery, a winning system.

    I agree that lots and lots of things would have to break just right for this team to go over .500, but I think that there’s enough talent here for a mediocre 31-35 win team. And at least it would be a fun, mostly young mediocre team!

    We have to hope that this system will make the whole greater than the individual parts. It wouldn’t surprise me because we have a lot of pieces, comradery, a winning system.

    It’s one thing to hope that (I promise you that I do). It’s another thing to expect it. We have a team of players who have never played together. We have a coach who if you want to be generous you’d still have to admit is inexperienced (if you don’t want to be generous I think there are plenty of other things you could say about his work last year). That same winning system won 17 games last year. I’m having a hard time figuring out why we’re a good candidate to be “more than the sum of our parts” other than pure wishful thinking.

    @thenamestsam

    I always say when you chain ifs, you’re lying to yourself. If you need five things to go your way to meet your goal, even if you say that each one has a 60% chance of coming true, the odds that ALL come true are only about 1 in 13 (i.e. 0.6^5).

    On the betting topic, my bets this year were I going to bet would be…

    Miami under 47.5 wins
    Boston over 43.5 wins
    Washington under 45.5 wins
    Portland over 26.5 wins

    @max

    I got boston when the line opened at 42.5 but I like at 43.5 as well.

    I like Indiana under 42.5 and Nuggets over 26.5. That Miami line is tempting as well.

    I’m having a hard time projecting Portland but they strike me as similar to Denver in a team that isn’t very good but should have enough to be somewhat competitive in many games.

    I like the Miami under and Boston over a lot. I also really like the Houston over (54.5). I just think that team has a ridiculous amount of depth all over the place.

    Portland has a second tier PG and a bunch of good but somewhat flawed froncourt players. I’m not saying they’re going to win 45 games, but as long as everyone stays relatively healthy they should win 30 something games

    For the first time in 10 years, Anthony didn’t get a vote for either MVP or top small forward

    If, as a collective, you’ve spent the last decade thinking maybe Carmelo will be the most valuable player in the NBA then I don’t give a shit what you think about basketball.

    Boom! I’m in midseason form already!

    Also, who was voting Melo over Lebron at small forward? Melo just has had the bad luck of playing the same position as the best player of this generation.

    Mets got jobbed on a stupid ground rule. Ball behind Soler gets lost in the ivy. Feels ominous.

    I think Vegas has this one right. I see 35 wins as an absolute best case scenario. 31-32 for the optimists. Look out below if we lose Lopez and Melo, as we very likely will.

    It’s insane we traded a first round draft pick for Andrea Bargnani. It can’t be said enough.

    I think Vegas has this one right. I see 35 wins as an absolute best case scenario. 31-32 for the optimists. Look out below if we lose Lopez and Melo, as we very likely will.

    Sorry I don’t get this at all. Vegas set the line at 31.5 at the open because they thought it would draw in equal action on both sides, which indicates they probably felt this was a fair middle ground on expectations for the Knicks. The public is who bet the line down 3 wins to 28.5 and now at 29.5.

    Well, you would know how the odds work better than me. But I guess I agree with the public then. I just think it’s going to take a miracle to win 40 games.

    I agree with the public on over at 28.5 that bet it up to 29.5 which was really all I said. Personally I think 33-35 wins would be a solid year for the Knicks, especially if the young guys improve throughout the year. Anything more than that is just gravy for me and 40 wins would be a real achievement regardless of what anybody would say if that didn’t get us in to the playoffs.

    I see 35 wins as a low. That shitty squad 2 years ago won 37 games. That team is more comparable than last year

    I would be thrilled to see a 35 win team with the young players showing upside and giving us hope for the future. BUT what really stings is not having next year’s 1st rd pick. Things would look so much brighter if they did. And no, having Hernangomez potentially coming next season doesnt make up for that fact, although it is an intriguing option to have.

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