Knicks Morning News (2015.06.10)

  • [New York Post] Frank Kaminsky to meet with Knicks next week: source (Wed, 10 Jun 2015 02:00:27 -0400)

    The best player in college basketball, who some Knicks fans would like to see them trade down in the draft in order to snatch, 7-foot senior Frank Kaminsky, is tentatively…

  • [New York Times] Cavs’ Dellavedova Hospitalized With Cramping (Wed, 10 Jun 2015 07:55:57 GMT)

    Cleveland Cavaliers guard Matthew Dellavedova was hospitalized after experiencing ‘severe cramping’ following his team’s victory over the Golden States Warriors in Game Three of the NBA Finals on Tuesday.

  • [New York Times] Baku Ready for European Games Amid Human Rights Concerns (Wed, 10 Jun 2015 07:20:04 GMT)

    The European Games, the first major multi-sports event of the continent, are set to kick off in Azerbaijan’s Baku on Friday as gleaming new sports venues await 6,000 athletes, lured by qualification spots for next year’s Rio de Janeiro Olympics.

  • [New York Times] Cavaliers Have the Lead but Work to Do in the NBA Finals (Wed, 10 Jun 2015 07:17:19 GMT)

    The lead in the NBA Finals belongs to Cleveland, though some momentum may be with the Warriors.

  • [New York Times] Cavs Guard Matthew Dellavedova Hospitalized With Cramps (Wed, 10 Jun 2015 06:50:14 GMT)

    The banged-up Cavaliers have yet another bruise.

  • [New York Times] Cavs’ James Comfortable Playing ‘Outside the Box’ (Wed, 10 Jun 2015 06:44:00 GMT)

    With two All Star team mates missing from the NBA Finals due to injury, LeBron James carried the Cleveland Cavaliers to victory over Golden State on Tuesday and upstaged the league’s Most Valuable Player in the process.

  • [New York Times] Sleepwalking Warriors Must Bringing Aggression to Game Four (Wed, 10 Jun 2015 06:17:08 GMT)

    The Golden State Warriors stressed a need to be more aggressive in their NBA Finals with the Cleveland Cavaliers if they want to have any chance of capping a brilliant season with a title.

  • [New York Times] Cavaliers 96, Warriors 91: N.B.A. Finals: LeBron James and Cavaliers Hold Off Warriors (Wed, 10 Jun 2015 05:54:45 GMT)

    The injured, undermanned Cavaliers survived a late rally to escape with a victory and seize a two-games-to-one lead in the best-of-seven series.

  • [New York Times] LeBron, Cavs Survive Warriors Comeback, Win Game 3 96-91 (Wed, 10 Jun 2015 05:53:07 GMT)

    LeBron James is doing more than ever. With the Cavaliers missing two All-Stars, he has no choice.

  • [New York Times] LeBron Steers Cavs Past Warriors to Close In on NBA Title (Wed, 10 Jun 2015 05:13:58 GMT)

    LeBron James turned in another virtuoso playoff performance in leading the Cleveland Cavaliers to a thrilling 96-91 victory over the Golden State Warriors on Tuesday and a 2-1 lead in the best-of-seven NBA Finals.

  • [New York Times] The Latest: Kobe: Cavs Playing Like ‘Life Is on the Line’ (Wed, 10 Jun 2015 04:08:12 GMT)

    The latest from Game 3 of the NBA Finals:

  • [New York Times] Liberty 86, Fever 79: Strong Third Quarter Lifts the Liberty (Wed, 10 Jun 2015 02:01:48 GMT)

    Tina Charles scored 21 points and Essence Carson added 14 for the Liberty (2-1), who had 23 assists on 29 baskets.

  • [New York Times] Cavaliers 95, Warriors 93, Overtime: N.B.A. Finals: Matthew Dellavedova Shines in Cavaliers’ Taut Win (Wed, 10 Jun 2015 01:33:42 GMT)

    Dellavedova made two free throws with 10.1 seconds left in overtime and harassed Stephen Curry all night as the Cavaliers beat the Golden State Warriors to tie the series at one game each.

  • [New York Times] Sports of The Times: Burden Unites the Cleveland Stars Jim Brown and LeBron James (Wed, 10 Jun 2015 01:31:52 GMT)

    Brown, a member of the 1964 N.F.L. champion Browns, and James have both been faced with the politics of being a black man in Cleveland.

  • [New York Times] Matthew Dellavedova Isn’t First Aussie to Charm Cleveland (Wed, 10 Jun 2015 01:08:02 GMT)

    As unlikely as it may seem, Cleveland has embraced an Australian underdog athlete before — 116 years ago, when Joe Quinn was the player-manager of the Spiders.

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    1. Quick draft thought this morning:

      Alan Hahn said a bunch of stuff last night about Mudiay — “what he’s hearing” about him, all the “red flags”, which basically came down to how he went to Prime Prep, was screwed by Deion Sanders, then “took the money” by going to China when his mom has been a single provider for the family for the last 17 years, and how the fact that he hasn’t signed with a “big agency” and instead is leaning on his family to help advise him should be a red flag to teams and the Knicks in particular.

      Unless he knows something tangible — that was some of the most irresponsible 10 minutes in sports radio I’ve ever heard.

      1) kid has lived without much in terms of $ his whole life. His mom has worked multiple jobs to keep the family afloat.

      2) instead of dealing with NCAA and the mafia-racket that is, he decides to make multiple millions of dollars playing in China and signing with Under Armour. And he’s still likely to be a top 5 pick – wow that really was a terrible decision? If he had gone to college, he theoretically could have been the next Felipe Lopez or Josh Selby (previous #1 prospects that ended up bombing), and have seen his draft stock plummet if he had a bad year or situation.

      3) Not signing with Big Agency is a big problem because of…? The last time he trusted Big Name to help him, Deion Sanders sent him to a school that lost its accreditation because it was basically a sham. And since the NBA rookie contracts are slotted, why should he sign with an agent (why do any of these guys sign with agents before that contract)? Go sign your slotted deal, then sign with an agent and have them go and get you endorsements.

      4) has anyone heard or written anything negative about Mudiay’s behavior in China? I haven’t, and I’ve read everything.

      I dunno. I usually love Alan Hahn but I was REALLY not feeling his take on this.

    2. So the rumors today are that the Spurs are actually NOT high on Lamarcus Aldridge. You know, Because Spurs.

    3. The best player in college basketball, who some Knicks fans would like to see them trade down in the draft in order to snatch

      Well, some people just want to watch the world burn, huh?

    4. JK, you’re ignoring the more important Aldridge rumor-that the Knicks and the Lakers are not in the running.

    5. D. Green + H. Barnes 2/18 – 7pts

      D. Lee 4/4 – 11 pts

      I love Draymond as a player, and I would have maxed him at the end of last season, but he’s having a brutal finals. D. Lee needs more time.

    6. @3 my thoughts exactly. Don’t think I can even count on one hang the amount of people in this site that would like to see us trade down for Frank the tank. Maybe trade down for something else that happens to land him, but not him in the exclusive.

    7. lol Draftexpress is just trolling us now. Latest mock with Porzingis going 3rd to Philly and us getting Russell.

    8. lol Draftexpress is just trolling us now. Latest mock with Porzingis going 3rd to Philly and us getting Russell.

      Hahaha, would love it, but that is ridiculous.

    9. Perhaps the idea would be that Philly would select the Zinger as a draft-and-stash while they continue carrying on with their multi-year megatank? Last year they drafted Embiid and Saric, neither of whom played, and the year before that they drafted Noel, who didn’t play that year either.

    10. seems on twitter that Hahn is getting a lot of heat for what he said about Mudiay last night. It’s deserved.

    11. If Hinkie goes for a draft and stash at number 3, I’m seriously starting to think Philly really is a Ponzi scheme.

    12. Granted, being a D1 college superstar would be an enormous amount of fun, but if my family was struggling financially, I’m going to europe or china or wherever and I’m getting that paper.

    13. On my “Holy shit, David Lee made an All-NBA team?!” point from last night, I put together a list of the worst possible team you can make up with All-NBA players, based only since they went to three teams in 1989 (2 guards, 2 forwards and 1 center)

      Drazen Petrovic
      Eddie Jones
      Jamal Mashburn
      Kevin Willis
      Al Jefferson

      All of those guys in their respective primes, I don’t think that team even wins 45 games. Petrovic, Jones and Jefferson are probably the best of the bunch. Not a lot of mediocre guards have made the All-NBA team and even less mediocre centers – Jefferson was kind of a godsend there, as otherwise it was going to be between Jermaine O’Neal and Andrew Bogut). Dale Ellis is close to Petrovic, I could see someone going with Ellis instead there. Terry Cummings and Vin Baker were close to the second forward spot, but I liked having a small forward with a power forward. Rod Strickland and Joe Dumars were also a thought at the guard spot. Sam Cassell was tricky, as he was mediocre most of his career but light’s out for a couple of years, including when he made the All-NBA team.

    14. seems on twitter that Hahn is getting a lot of heat for what he said about Mudiay last night. It’s deserved.

      Yeah, that was very unfortunate on his part. I think that there are enough red flags in his game (like him not being able to shoot) that you surely don’t have to start doing the “I’m not saying, I’m just saying” game.

    15. I’ve noticed something and I know that you are all going to think I’m nuts — if you have more than a couple of heavily tattooed players getting a lot of playing time, you have no chance of winning an NBA championship. Think about it — in the last 20 years or so (i.e., since tattoos became more popular) what NBA team with more than two guys with a lot of tattoos has won a ring? I can’t think of any. And neither of the teams in this year’s finals has more than a couple heavily tatted guys. So, I just decided that I’m against drafting Cauley-Stein.

    16. I presume it’s a joke, as tattoos don’t have anything to do with anything, but just in case you’re seriously curious, lots of players in the NBA have tattoos. 60% of the 2013 Heat had tattoos, nearly half the 2014 Spurs had tattoos.

      Lebron James has a lot of tattoos (I believe he has more than a dozen by now). Kevin Garnett has a bunch of tattoos. Tim Duncan even has a couple of tattoos. Hell, even Jordan had a tattoo on his chest.

    17. Lebron is pretty heavily inked. And Chris Anderson is essentially an ambulatory tattoo.

    18. lol you cant really see the tats on the darker players unless you look real hard. As a darkie myself ive never understood it. Its like a waste to me

    19. Eddie Jones was a terrific basketball player.

      So was Kevin Willis. They just didn’t deserve All-NBA spots, that’s all. Jones, though, was definitely better than Willis. Like I said, guard was a hard spot, as most players deserved their spots. If you want to swap Rod Strickland with Jones, that’s cool.

    20. Actually, crap, I was mostly looking at third and second teams, figuring the first team was safe, but nope, I was wrong, so here’s the new team:

      Drazen Petrovic
      Latrell Sprewell (first team All-NBA?!?!? Fuck the heck?!?)
      Jamal Mashburn
      Kevin Willis
      Al Jefferson

    21. “Latrell Sprewell (first team All-NBA?!?!? Fuck the heck?!?)”

      Ah the 90s, where the big man was king.

    22. And yet the most dominant player was a guard. But yeah, you’re absolutely right. The 1990s were nuts with how dominant big men were in general. Shaq had to settle for third-team for a number of years and David Robinson often didn’t even place due to Shaq, Ewing and Hakeem!

    23. Wait for Philly. In 5-8 years they’re gonna have all five starters will be all-stars and they’re all going to be centers.

    24. I started the playoffs rooting for the Warriors and David Lee, but ever since Love went down, the Cavs winning the title without him is just too hilarious for me not to root for it to happen.

    25. Philly is finally going to put all the ‘5 Shaqs wouldn’t win’ arguments to rest.

    26. Speaking of Lee, if the Dubs wanted to bribe us to take on his salary for a year, do they have any assets worth acquiring?

    27. Latrell Sprewell (first team All-NBA?!?!? Fuck the heck?!?)

      Sprewell in 1994 had 24.2 points, 6.3 assists, 4.3 rebounds, 1.7 steals while shooting 44.9% and often defending the other team’s best 1 / 2 / 3. He did have 4 TOs a game but still, he was great for several years in the mid 90’s. I’d have him on my team any time.

    28. The thing about putting Drazen on that list is that he would have been just a sick player if he had played during the 3pt awakening when 3pa per team went from 600 to 1800. In his two big years before the tragedy he shot over 44% from 3, scoring 21 per 36 at TS 60%. He had a terrific release and was a dribble drive threat, so today he probably takes at least twice as many 3s, scores over 25 a game and is still at 60%, which is Harden and Curry and no other guard ever, anywhere. He also went from being a zero defender to be a surprisingly decent defender and wasn’t the complete punching bag you’d have expected against MJ.

    29. I love Draymond as a player, and I would have maxed him at the end of last season, but he’s having a brutal finals. D. Lee needs more time.

      Yeah, I am shocked Kerr has been so slow in using Lee. One problem with this series is that Lebron is so damn awesome that the Dubs strength of a multitude of wing defenders isn’t all that helpful since there’s all jelly in front of the King. So you throw Klay and Draymond and Barnes on him it doesn’t really help relative to the typical value of that depth. Definitely a positive comp for Kawhi.

      But the big difference is on offense where GSW are desperately in need of a potent PNR match with Curry, and Lee is your best shot. Draymond can get into the pain but the Cavs are doing an incredible job leaving him stranded in no man’s land. He is good but slightly askew passing and good but slightly clumsy finishing have left him not so dangerous when bulldozing toward Mozgov and Thompson 8 feet out. Plus Barnes has not been getting it done from the corner. Obviously Lee has not become a good defender but his marginal value seems so much higher to GSW than Barbosa, Ezeli, and even Barnes in most of these games.

    30. Spree was a chucker. He was fun to watch in the open court, and he had a nice all around game, but he didn’t deserve to be on any All NBA teams.

    31. via Kevin Pelton:

      Of their 16 half-court possessions in the fourth quarter with Lee in the game, he set some kind of on-ball pick for Curry on 13 of them, which yielded a pair of field goals, two free throws and two assists for Lee, four Curry field goals (three of them 3-pointers) and a total of 22 points — good for a 169.2 offensive rating.

    32. Sprewell in 1994 had 24.2 points, 6.3 assists, 4.3 rebounds, 1.7 steals while shooting 44.9% and often defending the other team’s best 1 / 2 / 3. He did have 4 TOs a game but still, he was great for several years in the mid 90’s. I’d have him on my team any time.

      He had 21 points per game in 1994, not 24.2, and that was while averaging 43 minutes per game!!! The guy was a complete chucker. Good defender, though. I’d be fine with having him on my team, as well. I just wouldn’t ever say that he was one of the six best guards in the entire NBA.

      And his assists were also 4.7, not 6.3, and that, again, was in 43 minutes per game!

      I think you’re thinking of 1996-97, when he was not on the All-NBA team.

    33. lee was always strong in the pnr… he got that mid range game… which for all the talk of how it’s a horrible shot is necessary in a series like this when you can’t create ideal opportunities… like gs has been struggling with so far…

      the issue with them is going to be on defense… but i think they can get away with it if they pair lee against thompson.. if dray or barnes aren’t hitting 3s then it makes them fairly useless on that end..

    34. I just don’t get how you can’t hide Lee on defense for 20 minutes a game with such a good defensive team out there. Again, I get why Green, Barnes and Bogut will all play at the 4 and 5 over him, but Ezeli?

    35. seems on twitter that Hahn is getting a lot of heat for what he said about Mudiay last night. It’s deserved.

      Just MSG laying the groundwork for its defense of Phil taking Trey Lyles at 4.

    36. The Cavs are doing a great job of slowing the pace down. If memphis had any shooting at all, they would have taken the warriors to 7 and I think the Cavs will if they don’t win in 6. The Warriors biggest problem through the entire seasons has been turnovers. If you have watched them over the season, you wouldn’t have been surprised at Steph’s behind the back pass out of bounds, because it happens all the time, even when they are down, but their offense and defense have been so good that they often wouldn’t make a difference. Fun series so far.

    37. Oh, I’ve definitely seen Curry try that same moronic pass at the end of games before (he did a number of awful end of game trick passes in an attempted comeback against the Knicks back in 2013-14), but that he did it at the end of an NBA Finals game is still mind-boggingly.

    38. @29; 30

      FREE DAVID LEE

      He was made for a time such as this. He matches up well against CLE. His defensive deficiencies don’t matter when the Cavs are pairing Thompson and Moz. The Cavs no longer have non-Lebron driving threats (I refuse to believe in Delly.) Put him on Thompson – it won’t matter if Lee ignores challenging shots to box out his man. It’d cancel out exactly what Thompson has limited himself to doing. Unlock the PNR with his midrange game and ability to short the roll with his high post passing. FREE DAVID LEE

      (Also, of course there’s another ex-Knick dramatically inserting himself into the Finals, because why not at this point)

    39. in a series like this with all the switching the warriors have to do with lebron pnrs… i can see why kerr’s been hesitant to put lee in…

      if the warriors execute better and get better looks at 3… they should still win… i still have flashbacks of the mavs series where they got unreal hot from downtown for a few games and buried the heat.. but the quality of those 3s are just not good but i think it has more to do with the warriors shot selection…

    40. Sprewell in 1994 had 24.2 points, 6.3 assists, 4.3 rebounds, 1.7 steals while shooting 44.9% and often defending the other team’s best 1 / 2 / 3. He did have 4 TOs a game but still, he was great for several years in the mid 90’s. I’d have him on my team any time.

      No, he was pretty bad in the mid-90s. But he did play 3500+ minutes that year and was #8 in total points. So there’s your answer. Points. That’s why he was All-NBA.

    41. I think you’re thinking of 1996-97, when he was not on the All-NBA team.

      Yeah I was talking about 1996, when he played 41.9 minutes a game. His median fg% year is 43% on close to 40 minutes per game, and at a time when defense on perimeter players was tougher than it is now. He was a very good player, maybe even a hall of famer if not for the choking incident.

    42. I get why Green, Barnes and Bogut will all play at the 4 and 5 over [Lee] but Ezeli?

      I get it. Golden State’s core (Curry, Thompson, Green, Barnes) were all drafted between 2009-2012. The only starter not destined to be part of the team for the next 6 years is Bogut, who is older and injury prone. Because GS was so dominant all year, Kerr had the luxury of playing Ezeli in the rotation when he was healthy. He was also drafted between 2009-2012. If they can develop him the way they developed the others (he’s improved a lot since overcoming injury) their entire starting 5 can be set for the better part of a decade.

      I think Kerr went to Lee because the stakes are high and the team need something else. He didn’t just stubbornly stick to the rotation that got him there. But I understand why Lee wasn’t playing much during the season and throughout the playoffs.

    43. Yeah I was talking about 1996, when he played 41.9 minutes a game. His median fg% year is 43% on close to 40 minutes per game, and at a time when defense on perimeter players was tougher than it is now. He was a very good player, maybe even a hall of famer if not for the choking incident.

      He also came into the league as a defensive specialist — wasn’t until he was with the Knicks that his defense started to fall off. Must be a coincidence.

    44. @48 I didn’t wanna say anything. But he’s basically playing like Melo but just less efficiently. But he is dominating the glass and assisting

    45. I think he is saying he is making up for not being as good as Melo in the scoring department by doing other things. How great would Melo be if he got LeBron’s whistle + the swallowed whistle on the post moves? Edit: Have to add the smiley face :-)

    46. Well I’m convinced. Winslow missing 4 shots in some random 12 second video proves he’ll be a bust.

    47. I’m back to WCS.

      We know what works with Melo on the team.

      Chandler at C.
      Melo at PF.
      Shooters.

      That worked well.

      We need to put WCS in the Chandler role, Melo at PF, and pick up a couple of shooters on the wings in free agency.

    48. We know what works as long as Melo is on the team.

      We know it, true. Does Phil Jackson know it?

      Melo is a disaster at the 3 at this stage in his career. He is too slow to close out on anyone anymore. Herring had some crazy stat where players are shooting 42% from three when Melo was responsible for closing out on them. He’s not a 3 anymore. He’s a modern day 4. He’s good at the 4. He’s big. He can shoot. He causes havoc on offense. He has to be a four. And yet…

    49. i don’t think it’s a slam dunk for him to be exclusively at the 4… it’s hard work banging on the defensive end… lebron is the prototype for that small ball 4 and even he said he can’t handle it over a full nba season…

      if you go from 10-12 minutes a game and crank it up to 35 i think that has unintended consequences that the numbers can’t show…

    50. Just to be clear, we’re talking about the basketball hall of fame?

      Yeah, I got carried away there. Sprewell is probably not a hall of famer even without the choking incident…

    51. Melo’s just as bad defensively at the four- aside from the occasional karate shop block he is entirely useless when he rotates to protect the rim. He is better offensively at the four so I’d agree that where he should be but I’m not sure you’re gaining anything on the defensive end- if Herring’s numbers were from just this past year it may have had as much to do with Melo not wanting to bust his ass on a bad knee when his team was 4-20 than the fact that he’s just not capable of rotating out anymore.

    52. I don’t like Melo at 4 either as he gets older. Bullyball Melo really took a toll on him both on O and the little D he played. Don’t forget, he’s north of 30 with shoulder and knee problems. I’m pretty sure as STAT (godblesshim) got older he wasn’t too fond of getting down and dirty either. I’d much rather have Melo save his body especially if he’s gonna carry the load the next 5 seasons.

    53. Melo is a disaster at the 3 at this stage in his career. He is too slow to close out on anyone anymore. Herring had some crazy stat where players are shooting 42% from three when Melo was responsible for closing out on them. He’s not a 3 anymore. He’s a modern day 4. He’s good at the 4. He’s big. He can shoot. He causes havoc on offense. He has to be a four. And yet…

      well – he was awful across the board as a defender in 2014-15 but i think we can probably chalk some of that up to his injury. He was basically an average defender in 13-14: http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2546/tracking/defense/?Season=2013-14&SeasonType=Regular%20Season

      but yeah i totally agree he should play the majority of his minutes at the 4 if possible.

    54. ugh — Probasketballdraft (mostly a cleveland based draft site but has been ok re: draft sources in the past) just tweeted (about Mudiay): @Probballdraft: @alanhahn Impressive kid and great athlete. Hearing Knicks desperately want to move the pick.

      moving the pick is not the end of the world. “desperately” wanting to move the pick is a BIG problem. *sigh*

    55. i wouldn’t put too much weight on that… probably exploring options with other teams at this point..

      the week of the draft is when the rumor mill really starts churning… and it’s even more true here because we have to make the pick…

    56. The only thing that Melo can’t do is play in the pick and roll like Lebron, he could have put up the same scoring and rebounding numbers. Also for the amount of time he has the ball in his hands his assists are not that high. What always separated Lebron from Melo imo besides the athleticism was his ability to play in the pick and roll, his ball handling and vision are way better then Melos’. There is only one Lebron and probably only ever going to be one, he is the equivalent of Shaq relative to his position. The funny thing about this series is that Cleveland is playing exactly like Phil wants the Knicks to play pound the ball in the post and play lock down defense. Draymond Green is the key to the series for the Warriors, Zach Lowe broke it down. They are not going to give Curry open looks and Green has got to hit his open threes or make plays by driving to the hole cause they are playing 4 on 3 when the big hedges to Curry on the pick and rolls.

    57. @67 exactly. I just think it’s hilarious all the pundits responses are ” who else do you want shooting?” When Melo defenders literally say the same thing. LBJ is obviously a better player though. But not a better scorer at this point of his career

    58. But not a better scorer at this point of his caree

      Well during the regular season he scored at a higher volume with much better efficiency. In the playoffs, with his usage through the roof, this hasn’t been the case…but Melo’s career TS% in the playoffs is .513.

    59. I think most people on this board agree that usage affects efficiency (I believe THCJ is a notable and vocal exception). However, to speak for anyone who doesn’t believe usage and efficiency have any correlation I would say that Lebron has a clear impact for his teammates when he has the ball, i.e., he generates assists. Melo allegedly creates hockey assists which are harder to distill than normal assists.

    60. And when Melo just throws up a midrange jumper in isolation without even trying to draw an extra defender by driving, then it’s reeeeeaaaaalllllyyyyy difficult to understand how he’s helping his teammates with his play.

    61. I think most people on this board agree that usage affects efficiency (I believe THCJ is a notable and vocal exception). However, to speak for anyone who doesn’t believe usage and efficiency have any correlation I would say that Lebron has a clear impact for his teammates when he has the ball, i.e., he generates assists. Melo allegedly creates hockey assists which are harder to distill than normal assists.

      Usage affects efficiency when it changes the types of shots a player takes. If you run 40 P&R sets for a player a game and he takes 20 shots, you should expect to see very little difference in efficiency if you run an additional 20 sets with the same player/players. If you ask the player to take an additional 20 ISO shots per game, yes, efficiency will fall.

      My issue has always been with the idea that players’ values are “maximized” by an offense, i.e. Chandler is only a 70% TS because he takes the ideal number of shot attempts a game, however Carmelo “only” shoots 53% TS because he is “forced” to run ISOs and take lots of long twos.

      When you start a possession by going to a 1-4 flat isolation, you’ve given the play up. After four years of watching Carmelo ruin possessions, I’m willing to say that his efficiency issues (i.e. that he’s not LeBron even though he “is a better scorer,” whatever that means) are his own, not just a product of bad coaching that forces him into bad situations.

    62. Just a thought. our 2010 rebuilding plan is a great strategy. we went all in. The thing is we failed.
      Lebrons team right now are like Knicks. The problem is we only didnt get lebron.
      I also thought that how much we are sour with Stoudemire signing, we made the playoffs for few years.
      Look at Phoenix. Since Amare left theyve been mediocre. The last 5 years aint that bad i think.
      This is another off season hopefully we have the chance to be a contender for each of the next 5 years.
      What I dont like is our plan since to be unclear. Thats why it resulted to a lot of us debating the strategy from FA.

    63. My issue has always been with the idea that players’ values are “maximized” by an offense, i.e. Chandler is only a 70% TS because he takes the ideal number of shot attempts a game, however Carmelo “only” shoots 53% TS because he is “forced” to run ISOs and take lots of long twos.

      Certainly. There’s a distinction between an ought and an is.

      When you start a possession by going to a 1-4 flat isolation, you’ve given the play up. After four years of watching Carmelo ruin possessions, I’m willing to say that his efficiency issues (i.e. that he’s not LeBron even though he “is a better scorer,” whatever that means) are his own, not just a product of bad coaching that forces him into bad situations.

      Definitely, I think I spoke to this a bit in my next post. I was really just attempting to clarify @68 that people’s views on this board aren’t contradictory because most people who are praising Lebron praise Melo with regard to the efficiency vs. usage trade off.

      I could’ve done a better job disentangling the different views I was portraying in that post.

    64. Yeah lebron is just throwing up long twos as well. Or do we act like this isn’t happening? He’s driving to the cup with three guys draped on him creating Kobe assists. Hey like I said he’s the greatest in the game. But I don’t see anything special when he tries to score right now.

    65. Lebron is either scoring or assisting on 2/3’s of the Cavs buckets. That’s fairly impressive.

    66. “Melo is a disaster at the 3 at this stage in his career. He is too slow to close out on anyone anymore. Herring had some crazy stat where players are shooting 42% from three when Melo was responsible for closing out on them. He’s not a 3 anymore. He’s a modern day 4. He’s good at the 4. He’s big. He can shoot. He causes havoc on offense. He has to be a four. And yet…”

      This x 1000. Melo plays like a stretch four anyway. He could basically emulate Paul Millsap.

      Btw, I’m not sure what people are looking at that don’t see anything special in Mudiay. The kid definitely has great lateral quickness and is a gifted passer. He’s a more athletic Ricky Rubio. I think we all would’ve been pretty happy with Rubio at #4. And anyone that doesn’t think China is tougher/more competitive than NCAA is fooling themselves. There’s a serious list of NBA players over there right now.

      True, he might never fix his shot, but that’s far from the hardest thing to fix with reps… plus, sounds like the dude could still be growing. All the other guys in his family are 6’7″ and up.

    67. next time you watch a mudiay highlight video… just watch how often his defenders actually have their hands up contesting mudiay’s shot.. esp at the rim… they don’t play defense over there….

      von wafter 2p fg%: .551
      will bynum – .563
      mudiay was at .514

      not exactly titans of the nba…

    68. He was 18 playing against grown men, and he didn’t play the whole season. I’m guessing that lining up against a 10+ year NBA vet like Bynum is hell of a lot harder than going up against Travis Trice or Tyus Jones.

    69. Lebron is either scoring or assisting on 2/3’s of the Cavs buckets. That’s fairly impres

      And I agree he’s willing them

    70. @81 – well college might have a questionable talent pool but it’s pretty difficult to score in the paint… at least regularly if you are a guard… the paint gets pretty packed because of zone and everyone hustles and challenges…

      china is not like that… you saw more defense in the playoffs against beijing and mudiay struggled… when i see the highlight vids i’m looking at the defenders not the ball.. and those guys are routinely just standing around…

    71. Players in the Chinese league aren’t going to the NBA anytime soon. Players in the NCAA are.

      The players who ever were NBA are few and far between. Outside Will Bynum, who was on his team, the illustrious NBA guards now playing in the Chinese league include
      1)38 year old Starbury,
      2)Pooh Jeter,
      3)Dominique Jones (played 740 minutes for the Mavs over 3 seasons: .433 TS% on 25% usg
      last year in China : 588TS% on 36% usage).
      4)A smorgasbord of summer leaguers and 10 game contracts I don’t care to enumerate.

      Source: http://basketball.realgm.com/player/Emmanuel-Mudiay/GameLogs/24680

    72. all that said.. it’s 12 games… brandon jennings didn’t even put up ok numbers in the israeli league and he turned out ok… so the hope is that it wasn’t mudiay’s true talent level…

      but that also leaves him as a giant question mark.. and being able to get to the rim and finish is the basis around his whole offensive upside…

    73. Re: Lebron

      On closer inspection he’s actually struggled efficiency wise the entire playoffs.
      Before Finals:
      .492TS%/ 43.8 AST%/ 36.8% USG
      During Finals:
      .494 TS%/ 49.1 AST% / 44% USG

      Yet they keep winning… so what the hell do I know.

    74. Who knows what to make of Mudiay’s season in China- he played 9 games, got hurt and sat out for two months before coming back and playing three playoff games. Even if you think the defenses he played against were awful it’s pretty clear he understands how to play the pnr; he’s not just trying to turn the corner and get to the rim ala Jeremy Lin, he’s looking for space to make a play- be it pass or shot. To have that kind of feel at 19 is rare. While I’d rather trade back a spot or two and get WCS, he’s going to be awfully hard to pass up if the Knicks stay at 4.

    75. if I’m GS I let Lebron keep doing his thing. Play 46 minutes, have a usage of 45, score 38 with a TS of 50. I’d be fine with that. Cleveland’s offensive rating per NBA.com (i’m not sure if it’s right – just doesn’t look right) is only 94 — you can’t hope to play better defense than that.

      They just ABSOLUTELY have to keep Tristan Thompson off the offensive glass. Easier said than done, but my guess is that David Lee will be better at that than Draymond Green. Thompson has 17 offensive rebounds in 3 games — don’t need WoW or THCJ to tell you how valuable those are in a series in which GS actually has outscored CLE by 1 point. Beyond the O-rebs he’s also drawn 4 fouls/game and on a minuscule usage of 7.4% — so even when he doesn’t get the offensive rebound he’s drawing loose ball fouls.

      Keep Thompson to 3-4 offensive rebounds and it’s going to be very difficult for Cleveland to keep this up.

      He’s the new age Ben Wallace or Dennis Rodman. just beasting on the boards.

    76. win or lose, it’ll be really interesting to see what Cleveland does with its roster after this year.

      Lebron will want a new deal at the max – not 100% sure of this but i think they can re-sign him with non-bird rights for a 20% raise, or ~$24MM

      JR is definitely opting in for 6.4

      Thompson will get a max or near max contract – say $14M

      Shumpert’s market value will probably be close to $10M

      Dellavedova is a restricted free agent – I can only imagine how much Morey will offer him in RFA while knowing that Cleveland fans will burn down Quicken Loans Arena if the Cavs don’t match.

      Their payroll could be north of $90MM without counting Love.

    77. Will teams try to weaken the Cavs by taking Stump, della, or Love(opt out)? If someone pays Shump 10m their in for a bumby ride.

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