Knicks Morning News (2015.06.09)

  • [New York Times] With Series Tied, What to Watch in Game 3 of the NBA Finals (Tue, 09 Jun 2015 06:23:09 GMT)

    For the sixth consecutive year, the NBA Finals are tied after two games.

  • [New York Times] Sports Briefing | College Basketball: Iowa State Hires Basketball Coach (Tue, 09 Jun 2015 05:54:10 GMT)

    The Cyclones hired Murray State’s Steve Prohm to replace Fred Hoiberg, who became the coach of the Chicago Bulls.

  • [New York Times] On Pro Basketball: LeBron James Has Nothing to Prove, but He’s Proving It Anyway (Tue, 09 Jun 2015 01:37:14 GMT)

    James, who has already won championships, fights to keep the Cavaliers competitive in the N.B.A. finals.

  • [New York Times] Shot Clock Cut for Men in College Basketball (Tue, 09 Jun 2015 00:21:22 GMT)

    Men’s games will have a 30-second shot clock in the coming season, a reduction from 35 seconds, the N.C.A.A. announced.

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    1. People keep saying that Winslow is undersized to play the three, i don’t see it. If you think jimmy butler is a prototypical three then Winslow matches up well with him. I don’t know why Winslow has a two inch difference with shoes than without but he has a bigger wingspan that jimmy butler, the same standing reach and weighs exactly the same coming out of college as a freshman with the same body fat. I think he can play the three easy, i mean can anybody shut down lebron in the post now?
      http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Justise-Winslow-7190/
      http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Jimmy-Butler-6315/

    2. Winslow was able to rebound effectively playing the 4 in college. His height doesn’t seem to be a problem.

    3. It’s going to come down to Winslow or Stein.

      IMO, they are close. Part of me thinks Winslow is the safer bet to become a good two way player and part of me thinks players like Stein are a lot harder to come by. So if WCS does develop more offense, he could fill a desperate and tougher to come by need and be just as good overall. I keep going back and forth. If we knew which free agents were genuinely interested in coming to NY it might make the decision a lot easier. If we knew we could get a player like Middleton, then Stein would be an easier call. Middelton doesn’t seem likely though. Maybe Tobias Harris, but I’m less sold on him.

    4. “It’s going to come down to Winslow or Stein.”
      In terms of development potential, is anyone concerned that Stein is almost 3 years older than Winslow?

    5. In terms of development potential, is anyone concerned that Stein is almost 3 years older than Winslow?

      I think it’s a legitimate question in general, but offense/shooting can develop for longer than some other skills. So maybe it’s less of an issue for WCS?

    6. In terms of development potential, is anyone concerned that Stein is almost 3 years older than Winslow?

      To some extent, yes. But that also goes both ways. We have a better idea of who WCS is as a player than Winslow, so while it is reasonable to expect Winslow to improve more than WCS, the question is improve from what level?

    7. To me is take Winslow every time. Quite simply he will be above avg in more areas than WCS in 3 years. And there is where the age gap comes in. Winslow improved more in one year than Trill did in 3 years

    8. Regarding free agents, guess who led the league this year in shot attempts between 16-22 feet (in front of the 3 point line)? No, not our beloved JR Smith, it was LaMarcus Aldridge, and he only made about 40% of them.

      I want absolutely no part of that guy, and unfortunately, he’s probably the most available.

    9. Winslow improved more in one year than Trill did in 3 years

      He did, but was that improvement real? Who knows?

    10. stein would fill the more immediate need but winslow is the better player and younger….

      that’s the kind of draft mistake we shouldn’t be making….

    11. Regarding free agents, guess who led the league this year in shot attempts between 16-22 feet (in front of the 3 point line)? No, not our beloved JR Smith, it was LaMarcus Aldridge, and he only made about 40% of them.

      I want absolutely no part of that guy, and unfortunately, he’s probably the most available.

      That’s been my feeling about Aldridge for a long time. He’s a very good player in multiple ways, but I hate that long 2 game. It kills his efficiency.

    12. If the Knicks end up taking Winslow and keeping him, I will not be upset; I’ll look at it as the Knicks taking the best available two-way player at that spot in the draft (assuming, of course, that Towns and Russell are off the board).

      However, my problem with taking him at #4 is that there are some pretty good proven wings available in free agency, (Green, Carroll, and several others), and the Knicks should be able to get one of those, possibly on something less than a max contract.

      There are some decent defending big men available in free agency (Lopez and Asik, I guess) who shouldn’t cost too much, but WCS looks to be a notch better than them as low post defenders (though his defensive rebounding is a question). Again, if the Knicks take WCS at #4, I won’t be unhappy, but I won’t be thrilled b/c he might just never be much on offense for someone taken so high in what looks to be a good draft.

      Then, when you look at point guards, there is no free agent close to the potential of Mudiay.

      The key for me will be Mudiay’s workouts. The dude is a chiseled 6’5″. If he seems to be a good kid with a good work ethic, etc., I don’t see how the Knicks cannot take him if the first 3 picks go as expected, either to keep or then do a trade down. Surely there are some teams picking later that covet Mudiay.

      I like WCS and Winslow, but more in the #5-7 spots in the draft…

    13. I agree I think the pick is Mudiay. His size and driving alone excite me. He seems to have a better head on his shoulder than Reek Evans so hopefully he works on his game in ways that Evans didn’t. Also he has Melo there to help him with his shot.

    14. I’m fine with all three players, but If the Knicks are really sold on Winslow or WCS, just trade down a bit. Even if it is just for a couple of future 2nd rounders.

      Mundiay seems like a consensus top 4 and picking Winslow or WCS at this spot is a waste of pick.

    15. the issue with trading down for winslow and stein is that they are being talked about with every team between 5-8… so unless its specifically the magic… who is the most ideal trade partner right now… trading down is a risky proposition where you could lose out on both your targets…

    16. The question about WCS is how valuable will he really be in the NBA if he’s the rebounder we saw in college? The only good defensive center who isn’t a good rebounder in the NBA is Marc Gasol, and he offers a lot more in terms of scoring and passing than WCS offers. WCS’ ceiling is a more mobile Tyson Chandler, I’d say. Justice Winslow could be as good as Kawhi Leonard and Jimmy Butler. You can’t go wrong with either player, but I think WCS is closer to Tyson than JW is to Leonard or Butler.

    17. I agree as well; best 4 players are the bigs, Russell and Mundiay. I agree, if you want WCS or Winslow, try trading down, but will you get enough value to warrant it?

    18. I guess you can make some sort of agreement with Orlando, Sacramento and Denver if they really want Mundiay.

      We draft Mundiay and if anyone of them wants him, give us WCS or Winslow plus some bag of future cheetos.

      There will be the “risk of getting stuck” with Mundiay, but that doesn’t seem very hard to arrange.

    19. Given the schedule Duke played against you could argue that Winslow was better than both Butler and Leonard were as 19 year olds. On the other hand, neither Jimmy nor Kawhi played with a guy like Okafor. Winslow certainly played better than Mudiay did.

    20. Alright, then maybe we should all hope that Mudiay starts wowing everyone in his workouts and becomes a hot commodity. Then if we get him at #4 and Phil wants someone else more, we can trade Mudiay and land the player we want anyway plus a pick of some sort.

    21. I really do think Winslow’s size limits his defensive ceiling. The guys who are real difference makers on the wing like Leonard or Paul George (not to mention guys like Ariza and Aminu) are both taller and have longer wing spans. I’m sure he’ll be a plus defender but I’m not sure he’ll be a game-changer on that end- especially if he’s at the three.
      On the other hand I think WCS can be at the Noah/Garnett/Chandler level on the defensive end- he’s the most mobile big to come out since Howard. The big question to me (outside of his defensive rebounding) is does he have the motor that those guys have? I’m not incredibly worried about his offense- he’ll do enough in transition, on dives/pnrs, and on the offensive glass to be at least passable on that end.
      I’ll be happy with either guy but I think bigs who can completely bust up pnr’s are harder to find than good wings so I’d lean towards WCS.

    22. @21

      Maybe I’m not reading the same sources but Kawhi Leonard is 6’7″ and Winslow is 6’6″; that’s not a huge difference. And Paul George was 6’7″ when he played in college and grew 2 inches in the pros. So Winslow is only 1 inch shorter than both of them when they played college and he could still grow an inch or two considering his age.

    23. Yeah Kawhi is not that tall. He has arms like a condor and ridiculously big hands. Winslow has a good wingspan as well

    24. The Knicks could certainly be talking to the teams at #5-7 and laying the groundwork for a potential trade that would net them WCS/Winslow plus a sweetener (young player or additional draft pick). I really hope that they don’t trade further down than that, if they do trade at all.

    25. For a 19 year old kid Winslow is huge. For example, Draymond was 230 after 4 years of college. Winslow is 220 and a bit shorter. He doesn’t have ideal height, but his production suggests he was plenty big enough. My questions about him are on offense.

    26. With Winslow we worry about his production regressing from his only college year, especially his shooting and rebounding. For WCS, we hope he can improve on offense and rebounding to be a major contributor.
      Give me the guy who would have to regress to not be worth the pick, over the guy who has to improve to be worth the pick.

    27. I’m sticking with any of the top 4 players. I can see how each of them could help us. Dropping in the draft gives me the chills. It means we give up the rights to a potential superstar for 2 or more good pieces. That works in the NFL with that 50 man roster, but in the NBA you want to collect as many aces as you can. You win championships by surrounding the very best players with willing and capable role players.

    28. Also, Winslow weighs 220 with a 5.3% body fat. Draymond was over 11%. If that means what I think. Winslow is bigger as a freshman.

    29. @27 the problem is that we don’t know which the best 4 players are. Even if we did that doesn’t mean there’s a huge difference between picks 4,5,&6. If we have no preference between mudiay, Winslow, wcs or any others. We’d be better off trading down and picking up another asset.

    30. Shump was 6’4 1/4″ with a 6’9 1/2″ wingspan and 220 pounds coming out (and arguably more athletic than Winslow.) Winslow is 6’4 1/2 with a 6’10 1/2 wingspan at the same weight. Can Shump play some three? Yeah, but it’s not ideal and a lot of his success guarding the post is due to his quick hands rather than his size. Winslow has the same wingspan as Wade and Harden- Leonard’s wingspan is 7’3″, George’s was 6’11 1/2 and he grew. Ariza’s wingspan is 7’2″, Aminu’s is 7’3 1/4″. Size-wise he’s a two albeit a really strong one. As I said I still think he’ll be a plus defender- I just think if he has to play the majority of his minutes at the three I think his size lowers his ceiling defensively. Offensively, he going to need to improve his handle and prove that his 3 point shooting wasn’t a fluke especially if he’s going to play the two. He’s a very good athlete but so is just about every other wing in the league. If he can play the two he should be able to bully his way to the basket- the dude is certainly strong- but at the three I’m not so sure.

    31. I agree with the consensus here that Aldridge is overrated and I dont want him for the contract it would take to sign him on the Knicks. But what do we make of the fact that from all reports the Spurs #1 free agent priority is signing Aldridge??

    32. Maybe I’m not reading the same sources but Kawhi Leonard is 6’7? and Winslow is 6’6?; that’s not a huge difference. And Paul George was 6’7? when he played in college and grew 2 inches in the pros. So Winslow is only 1 inch shorter than both of them when they played college and he could still grow an inch or two considering his age.

      WInslow measured 6’4.5 w/o shoes but since they play with shoes I guess his height doesn’t matter. He is basically Shumpert’s size and I never really liked him defending 3s but as long as he continue to where those 2” soles he’s good. lol. I am one of the main guys who brought up Winslow’s lack of size during his season but I also realize every player is different and some small guys play bigger than their size. Its not all about height or length.

      What I am more worried about than he size is his ball handling and passing ability

    33. Another comp size wise for Winslow is Lance Stephenson. They probably had comparable strength too. I think Lance had the better handles but I could envision Winslow bullying 2 guards similar to how Lance did in Indy.

    34. Yeah, I think Winslow’s reasonable upside is a non-insane Lance Stephenson, which is a pretty damn good player.

    35. Winslow played the 4 in college. Shump played point. Winslow standing reach 8’8.5″. Shump 8’3.5″. Yeah there’s a difference there. Besides if someone wants to take a jump shot over another player I’m usually okay with that ( unless it’s Durant).

    36. Yeah Winslow played sf/pf in college and shumpert played PG I’d say one plays bigger than the other

    37. @29 – I think it’s clear who the top 4 are. The only question is which of them is going to become the transcendent uber-star. Mudiay is an “A” with a big upside compared to an “A-” for Winslow and WCS who could find a way to overcome their clear limitations. Mudiay is also a positional fit at PG which I value because point guards and true centers are very hard to find. BTW, even though he’s listed as a SG, I believe that Russell is also a PG. Watching film of him makes that very clear.

      As for the limitations, Winslow is small (SG/SF) and WCS needs to develop offensively. Since Winslow isn’t growing 5 inches, I rate WCS higher because he could develop an offensive game.

    38. PG is the easiest position in the NBA to fill. I think you’ve been fooled by the Knicks astonishing organizational incompetence.

    39. Since Winslow isn’t growing 5 inches, I rate WCS higher because he could develop an offensive game.

      Whoa this height thing is getting out of hand. Barkley was like 6’5 no?

    40. i think ppl are mistaking upside with unknown with mudiay…. he played 12 games… and it wasnt really clear if he was good… certainly wasn’t dominating by any metric… kyrie irving had the same problem but his thin slice was dominant in the little that we saw…

    41. I can definitely get more hyped for Mudiay than for the other guys on this list. However, hype=/=best player. Mudiay can’t shoot. And I mean at all. Dwight Howard has had better seasons from the line than Mudiay had. How is that not a gargantuan red flag?

    42. Barkley was 6’5” but also huge. Many years ago I stood next to him in the tunnel during the all star game. You’d need a bike to go around him in reasonable time. It was unreal. You can’t compare Winslow to Barkley, they’re not in the same ballpark.

      And btw this Cleveland team is so rootable. I haven’t seen such defense in a long, long time. Fun to watch.

    43. Mudiay isn’t an “A” though. He’s a big fat question mark. He seems more like a worse shooting Tyreke Evans than a Westbrook, Wall or Jason Kidd.

    44. http://espn.go.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/13042846/nba-draft-emmanuel-mudiay-makes-case-no-1-overall-pick

      This is an insider article..so for those who do not subscribe to the service, here’s what Chad Ford basically says: Draft this kid. He’s grown almost an inch, added 9 lbs of muscle, and has learned a professional work ethic. His body is NBA ready and his shots go in..he just takes bad shots sometimes. So..roughly 6’6 210 with a 6’10” wingspan, and improved athleticism sounds great to me. In the article he compares favorably to Derrick Rose, John Wall, and Jrue Holiday. Do we believe him? Does Phil see it? Ford says Mudiay carries himself like a 10 year vet who “gets it”. Sounds a lot like LeBron comin out- the way he carries himself that is. With that and his work ethic, I really think Phil should definitely nab this kid, unless the Lakers fell in love with him over Russell or Okafor. Reading this article, I am really hoping Phil can nab Jordan and Carroll in free agency while adding Mudiay with the #4, and then adding cheap shooters and defenders to fill the roster. If Okafor happens to fall, then it makes a tough decision- but this seems like a sound way to build a team around Melo. So…why not? A starting 5 of Jordan-Melo-Carroll-Mudiay-Calderon with Galloway-some combination of TH2/Shved/Ledo-Cole leading the bench sounds like a good start to a proper rebuild on the fly. As long as Phil doesn’t feel like he has to overpay for Jordan and Carroll like he did with Melo. I can see it now-Melo back to his usual bucket magnet self at the 4 with defenders flanking him and then having a slashing, PnR playing SG with Calderon taking the Kerr/Paxson role (only a better version). Better defense because I can envision Carroll and Melo bein able to switch and I can even see- with that wingspan- Mudiay guarding SF’s effectively. Plus there will always be a threat of a Mudiay-Jordan PnR with Melo dragging the opposing PF to the perimeter and Calderon also…

    45. Plus there will always be a threat of a Mudiay-Jordan PnR with Melo dragging the opposing PF to the perimeter and Calderon also…

      Was supposed to read “with Melo dragging the opposing PF to the perimeter and Calderon also waiting outside”

    46. Ford also said Mudiay’s FT% needs to go up, but that his shot’s not broken and he’s not a naturally “bad” shooter like a Rondo. I’m ok with that.

    47. I actually think Zinger is pretty good. But if it’s Mudiay, Porzingis, Winslow, or WCS there at 4…I’m taking Mudiay. He’s aggressive and has a high BBall IQ- so say the scouts. Add in the work ethic and maturity to match..and I see a potential star. Yea he takes bad shots..pfft..so what? Every NBA player does. But what separates him from say..a JR Smith and puts him on a career path in the direction of a LeBron, Kobe, MJ, Magic, Bird, etc, is the fact he has a high BBall IQ and he’s aggressive. He will learn what separates stars from average NBA players and hopefully apply it to his game. If Mudiay is there, it would behoove Phil to draft him..as long as Okafor isn’t still on the board. Then it gets tricky because I believe Okafor can score and rebound in the NBA.

    48. And for the record, I’m not saying Mudiay can be mentioned or will be mentioned with the names I listed. But he has a better chance at being mentioned near those names than the JR Smith’s of the world based on his BBall IQ, work ethic, and improving athleticism- per scouting reports.

    49. PG is the easiest position in the NBA to fill. I think you’ve been fooled by the Knicks astonishing organizational incompetence.

      I actually think this is perhaps the strongest argument against Mudiay in my eyes. PG is insanely deep around the league (it should not be surprising at all that there are a lot more good 6′ tall basketball players than good 7′ tall basketball players) and every year there’s somebody who pops up somewhere and shows that there are good PGs available on the scrap heap – Clarkson, Beverley, Prigioni, Lin, etc. Lagston isn’t really a pure point obviously, but he’s yet another example of a decent guard being out there if you just look hard enough.

      Basically I’m not sure spending our most valuable organizational resource on a PG is a good idea unless we strongly believe he’s a future star. PG competence is cheap and available.

    50. @51 I’m sorry but that sounds crazy. Last I checked Steph and CP3 are pgs. also at his size Mudiay could play and off ball slasher type of position. Saying don’t pick him because there are good pgs sounds nuts. there are guys in the league like Cauley Stein like Ed Davis etc.

      This is not an argument to me

    51. @51..
      Exactly why Mudiay will play off guard for the Knicks. I think he’ll be fine at either guard spot..but better at the 2.

    52. In the top 5..you go with the guys with the most upside. Mudiay more than capably fits the bill. He has the work ethic, hoop IQ and potential that you look for in a top 5 pick. Can anyone honestly say, that while a Winslow or a WCS fills a need, that those two have a higher upside than Mudiay? I don’t even think Okafor has as high a ceiling as Mudiay. Towns does..but #4 is way out of range to grab him.

    53. taking bad shots does not really speak well for his bball iq… knowing what a good shot is key for any pg or any person who is trying to create a shot… he makes good decisions in the pnr which i think where all the talk of his iq is coming from but outside of that it’s not somewhere near where chris paul demonstrated.. probably not even on the level of russell…

      i just don’t like our ‘star’ pg jacking up shots regularly when it’s early in the shot clock… not saying he’ll be like that but he had that habit in china… when he decides that he needs to ‘take over’ that leads to less touches for everyone else… if your name is westbrook or chris paul you can live with it.. i’m not sure if his offensive game will get to that place where it will be tolerable…

    54. “But what do we make of the fact that from all reports the Spurs #1 free agent priority is signing Aldridge??”

      Got to say, this is one of the most interesting rumors of the offseason. Hard for me to believe the Spurs brain trust wants to go all in on LA but we shall see….

    55. @ 55..Valid points. But consider this..ALL great players took and in many cases, made bad shots. And again..I don’t really see him as a lead guard. At least while Calderon is on the roster.

      Based on a Chad Ford article or 12 games in China?

      Based on mainly the article. Too small a sample size in China. But if Chad ford says he has a NBA body, high BBall IQ, and carries himself like a vet, then I trust that. He knows a helluva lot more about the NBA than I do.

    56. Valid points. But consider this..ALL great players took and in many cases, made bad shots. And again..I don’t really see him as a lead guard. At least while Calderon is on the roster.

      The keyword there is “made”, Mudiay doesn’t make bad shots. He can’t even make good shots re: ft%.

    57. “But what do we make of the fact that from all reports the Spurs #1 free agent priority is signing Aldridge??”

      One of two possibilities:

      1) Most likely in my opinion, the Spurs want to make sure a Western competitor pays retail for him.
      2) The Spurs think they can alter his shot distribution in a way that would make him significantly more efficient, a la Klay Thompson from this season. If they have reason to believe he can hit threes, this would make sense.

    58. Tim Duncan, for all his greatness, was never a super efficient offensive force. If the Spurs can improve LaMarcus’ efficiency just 2-3TS% they’ll have a rough Duncan equivalent on offense. And a 55/56 TS% is something Aldridge has done before, so that dosen’t seem like a crazy belief. You can also get a few hundred more minutes out of him, which is valuable. On defense I think Duncan is better at 39 than Aldridge has ever been in his life (given his insane longevity, Duncan might be lowkey the best defensive NBA player of all time), so I guess they’re hoping for an improvement in the team’s offense.

    59. Back to Mudiay, the kid only shot 47 FTs in China, so while we know he’s not a good FT shooter, it’s not apparent how bad he really is.

    60. spurs like taking mid range shots… i think they were close to the league lead in that category iirc… if you have ok efficiency but can get that against any team any defense… that has a lot of value and why lma is pretty valuable.. his defense isn’t horrendous either…

      @63 – mudiay’s hs ft numbers weren’t all that great either…

    61. Chad Ford is good at one thing, which is learning who teams plan on drafting. He’s very good at that. But when it comes to scouting, he’s a hack. I’d never change my opinion on a player based on what Ford said about him.

    62. I’m actually listening more to Larry Brown who raves about Mudiay. Remember that Mudiay had “bailed” on SMU. the team Brown coached. Now Brown is trying to sell him to the Lakers, Sixers and Knicks.

    63. Oh sure, I like Mudiay well enough, I’m just not relying on Chad Ford at all. We’ve already seen him pull that BS where he shares a clip of Mudiay hitting threes with “who says he can’t shoot?” and then the full video is released and Mudiay was missing shots left and right, and Ford just chose his best series of shots to share as if it meant something. Dude’s a hype man.

    64. Or maybe Larry brown is trying to fuck the Knicks talking up mudiay. Don’t forget the bad break up.

    65. I don’t understand what I’m watching here. Cavs somehow dragged these dudes into a knife fight

    66. Blatt is coaching the pants off of Kerr. Going to Lee is just embarrassing for everyone involved. I obviously still think Lee can ball, but I also think that the way this team is designed he’s basically just an emergency center, so to suddenly pull him into the rotation in Game 3 of the NBA Finals is a desperation move.

    67. If you listen to sports radio, they making it sound like blatts dead man walking… Any chance/would anyone want him on the Knicks?

    68. They’re getting murdered on the offensive glass-D Lee is worth a shot, no?

      It’s not that I’m against using him, I’m against using him suddenly in Game 3, out of desperation. Coaches probably shouldn’t be making desperate moves period.

    69. @73 Brown is selling Mudiay to the two teams that pick ahead of the Knicks.
      @77 No Blatt for me.

    70. That’s 10 straight quarters of awful basketball for the MVP. Either that fall hurt him more than we know, or Dellavadova really is the Steph-stopper.

      Really shocking to see.

    71. this reminds me of Dallas vs Miami. Now, Lbj is playing the role of Dirk, carrying a bunch of role players against an much talented team. And look at there Delly is in his Barea mode.

    72. I’ve said it a lot, it is just too funny for the Cavs to win for it not to happen.

    73. Jordan seriously averaged 41 points per game in the 1993 NBA Finals. Holy shit, how can that even be a real stat?

    74. Harrison Barnes has some sick muscles. It’s like his muscles have muscles.

    75. Oh, Lebron is stronger, true, just noting that wow, that dude has a lot of muscles.

    76. Jordan seriously averaged 41 points per game in the 1993 NBA Finals. Holy shit, how can that even be a real stat

      Young Jordan was insane, and that series was his apotheosis

    77. @92

      I remember he had 54 in one game. That was the first finals I remember watching as a kid

    78. It’s funny, I guess I sort of took his greatness for granted a bit, in the sense that it didn’t seem crazy to me at the time, but now, looking back, 41 points a game in the NBA Finals?! For a winning team (so it wasn’t like he was putting up numbers for an overmatched underdog)?! Insane!

    79. Has anyone bothered to tell Ezeli how basketball works when your team has the ball? Good defender, but wow, he is lost on the other end.

    80. Draft Mudiay then sign Asik or R.Lopez for the right amount.
      Drafting WCS, Winslow are OK we dont need OK players with should go for a risky high ceiling player.
      Ill take chances of a Mudiay being a bust with chance to be a 6’5 john wall or ala rusell westbrook.
      Than get an ok player who could be a tyson chandler or biyombo, or evan turner.

    81. PERFECT-

      I’m sticking with any of the top 4 players. I can see how each of them could help us. Dropping in the draft gives me the chills. It means we give up the rights to a potential superstar for 2 or more good pieces. That works in the NFL with that 50 man roster, but in the NBA you want to collect as many aces as you can. You win championships by surrounding the very best players with willing and capable role players.

    82. Jordan seriously averaged 41 points per game in the 1993 NBA Finals. Holy shit, how can that even be a real stat

      Young Jordan was insane, and that series was his apotheosis

      Jordan was 30 so he wasn’t that young.
      Also, Jordan didn’t have a good all around game, oh wait, he avg 8 rebs and 6 ast.

    83. Is Dellavedova point-shaving? The last four possessions he’s touched the ball he’s played like a YMCA adult leaguer. Watching him lose the dribble on that one-footed attempt possession was painful.

    84. Pre baseball Jordan is young Jordan to me.

      I feel you it’s just funny how when you look back at things and realize he wasn’t that young at all.

    85. it worries me. Like the initial scenario is MUDIAY at 4 for the Knicks.
      then we seems to be not satisfied. i got a feeling that Mudiay will be a superstar but he will be pick 1-3 or 4 then the Knicks will trade him to 2 ok players.

    86. Man I thought KG was bad at not being set on screens but I thinkTristan is worst

    87. Dude the NBA finals are on

      The Knicks’ idiocy will still be there after the final two-to-four games of the year

      Enjoy watching Matthew Dellavedova playing on a Finals team, it’s like seeing a unicorn IRL

    88. I’m thrilled to see Lee doing well, but then doesn’t it make Kerr kind of foolish that Lee’s not in the rotation but Ezeli is?

    89. I’m thrilled to see Lee doing well, but then doesn’t it make Kerr kind of foolish that Lee’s not in the rotation but Ezeli is?

      Annnnnnd cue Ezeli coming in for Lee for no reason…

    90. He is magical. He can make it disappear into the stands just … Like so

    91. 2 minutes left and the dude’s trying a behind the back no look pass?!?

      It was a bad play but if Green had any confidence in his shot he would have been there and not roll. Still you can’t make that kind if pass in that situation.

    92. Just imagine if LeChoke still had Daniel Gibson, this series would be a Cleveland sweep

    93. It was a bad play but if Green had any confidence in his shot he would have been there and not roll. Still you can’t make that kind if pass in that situation.

      Agreed that Green was bad there, but seriously, a no look behind the back pass with two minutes left in the NBA finals, trailing by 4?!?

    94. Someone tell Lebron this ain’t football

      How is that not a foul? Is that a thing now? You’re allowed to slide into guys to knock them down, so the ball comes loose?!

    95. Still can’t believe the no call on that Lebron he been taking lessons from James Harrison. Glad Curry didn’t get injured

    96. Not only was it a no call, but the announcers are showing the replay to applaud Lebron’s hustle. I mean, yes, he did get back really well, but he also totally just knocked Curry over!

    97. I paid $12.59 for some shitty nachos and cider so I could watch this game AND IT IS WORTH EVERY CENT

    98. Bron is weird-officials let him get away with brutality without the ball, but guys maul him and he gets no whistle when he has it

    99. @135 I can’t listen to the announcers this game. They applaud dellavadova or h.e you spell his name but really? His bball IQ looks almost as bad as shump’s

    100. This game is face-meltingly nuts

      Delly is David Eckstein reborn and I can’t stand it (GRIT, SCRAP, HUSTLE, etc) but it is truly wonderful to behold.

      This may be a Paul O’Neill Rule game for the Dubs (lose a game but score a bunch at the end, waking up the offense for the next game) with Steph making all these desperation 3s at the end. I wish he’d have more of that reckless urgency.

    101. I think I just cost GSW the ball. I totally silicon Valley’d them. It would have been okay if I wouldn’t have turned back on the game.

    102. Delly is David Eckstein reborn and I can’t stand it (GRIT, SCRAP, HUSTLE, etc) but it is truly wonderful to behold.

      “He has somehow become a crowd favorite here in Cleveland!” Oh, really, somehow? I wonder why?

    103. warriors in trouble… but curry finding his shot makes things hopeful…

      they should try shortening their bench… i don’t know why both barbosa and livingston are seeing minutes…

    104. Fingers crossed that the warriors are dumb enough to take a small sample size against top flight competition as evidence that draymond doesn’t deserve the max; maybe things would work out in the Knicks favor, for once.

    105. If Cleveland wins a championship without Kevin Love, do they still offer him a max deal? With Delly as Cleveland’s premier perimeter defender, do they still re-sign Shumpert?

      I think GSW wins Game 4 behind Steph Curry’s shooting. I think he’s due to light up Delly soon.

    106. And Draymond Green is getting a really bad whistle this series. I feel sorry for him sometimes.

    107. I think the refs have been awful this series, and not in one side’s favor or anything like that, just screwing up a ton of calls.

    108. Dubs need to play Lee more. Cavs don’t have the players to burn him on D much, and he can board and bring the movement on offense. Fuck Festus and Mo Buckets.

    109. Can anyone find a Vine or Twitter video of Shumpert’s entry pass straight into Warriors’ hands? That was pure Knicks. I loved it. Almost felt like they were wearing blue and orange out there.

    110. Another “holy shit” fact that I did not remember – David Lee made the All-NBA team two years ago! I knew he made the All-Star team, but I didn’t know he made the All-NBA team. That’s really, really hard to make. Two years ago he’s All-NBA and now he can’t get off the bench in favor of Festus Ezeli? That’s just dumb. Dude’s older, but he’s not old. 31 is not old yet, even in the NBA. Well, unless you’re a point guard who derives his ability from speed. Then you might be done at 31.

      I mean, when a team wins 6470 games in a single season like the Warriors did, it is hard to question their rotations, and I am not questioning whether their main big men rotation of Barnes, Green and Bogut are better than Lee, as I believe all three are better than Lee and rightly should be playing over him. It’s Ezeli playing over him that I question. Or even Speights.

    111. Great game last night. How the refs missed the Lebron slide tackle on Curry I’ll never know. These officials are awful.

      Draymond Green – wow has anyone ever looked so good in one series then so bad in another. He absolutely cannot guard Lebron 1-on-1 (LBJ just goes right by him), and shoot the 3 in this series, is afraid to take the mid-range shot they’re giving him off the trap on Curry. But i love how David Lee might get more time — he is way better right now than Draymond.

    112. Can anyone find a Vine or Twitter video of Shumpert’s entry pass straight into Warriors’ hands? That was pure Knicks. I loved it. Almost felt like they were wearing blue and orange out there.

      That shit went RIGHT to curry, and he missed the wide-open 3 which would have made it a 1-point game. So Shumpy, so Knicksy.

    113. I’m in the minority on James’ performance in the finals. I don’t think the Cavs are having success because James is scoring 40 a night on poor efficiency. I think the Cavs are winning DESPITE that because his rebounding and playmaking have been spectacular and the team defense has been epic.

      I’ll concede that James doesn’t have much help on the offensive side and has to dominate the ball, but I think the team would be better off if he was driving and kicking or they were running screens and other plays instead of James taking terrible fade away long 2s. He’s taking worse shots than Melo normally takes and I think it’s hurting.That’s why Kerr isn’t making adjustments on that end. He’s more than happy with James scoring 40 using close to 40 possessions.

      GS just needs to adjust on the offensive end and knock down more of the shots they normally make.

      James scoring 40 a night on this efficiency has no chance to win the title UNLESS their defense remains other worldly and Kerr can’t figure out how to adjust to it. Maybe Lee is the answer. We’ll see.

    114. I’m not going to argue Mudiay’s long term potential or the quality of the Chinese league relative to the “D” league and NCAA tournament, but I will say this with supreme confidence. If you are scoring mid teens with a 51% TS in that no defense league, there is no way you are an NBA player in this snapshot in time. So if you are in favor of Mudiay, just get ready for a guy that can’t score much more 10 points per 36 on mid to upper 40s efficiency that rarely leaves the bench in year one.

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