Knicks Morning News (2015.05.30)

  • [New York Times] Magic Hire Veteran Coach (Sat, 30 May 2015 04:01:23 GMT)

    The Orlando Magic hired Scott Skiles, a 13-year N.B.A. coach, as their next coach.

  • [New York Times] Cavaliers 114, Hawks 111, Cleveland leads series, 3-0: LeBron James Lifts Cleveland to Win With Triple-Double (Sat, 30 May 2015 01:30:19 GMT)

    James missed his first 10 shots but had 37 points, 18 rebounds, 13 assists, 3 steals and the final two baskets.

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    23 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2015.05.30)”

    1. “Magic Hire Veteran Coach”

      Boy, what a descriptive title, NY Times!

    2. Wondering whether Myles Turner might be a trade-down target. Not easy to find a rim protecting rebounding big who has a jump shot like that. Might be an ideal person to put in there with Melo and, say, Kevin Love?

    3. I think trading down and landing Turner is my ideal outcome for this draft. He ranks well by most models I’ve seen despite getting jerked around by Barnes all the time. I really like the 3-way trade idea someone posted here a few days ago with Boston and Denver (sorry for forgetting who it was). The trade was NY gets the 7 pick from Denver and the 16 from Boston, Denver gets the 4, and Boston gets Ty Lawson. Boston probably has to send Wallace to Denver to make it work, but at the very least it’s a framework.

    4. i like turner also… we haven’t really seen a guy like him since… lafrentz?

      there’s a lot of good trade possibilities with denver… i saw one on another board involving the kings/nugs/knicks with the knicks winding up with #6 and # 7 … which i thought looked really good..

    5. @3

      What’s ‘most models?’ Arturo Galletti hasn’t published his stuff yet and the APBRmetrics goofballs are charlatans.

    6. I like Alvin Gentry a lot, but man, why even fire Monty Williams if you’re going to hire Monty Williams Part 2? Just keep Williams.

    7. Wasn’t JVG interested in the job? Correct me if I’m wrong, but JVG>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Alvin Gentry, no?

    8. Right, that’s what I don’t get. When the heck did Alvin Gentry go from being “Assistant coach you’d love to have” to “Hot coaching prospect”? Do people seriously think that he was responsible for any of Kerr’s systems in Golden State? Gentry’s most famous for just taking D’Antoni’s systems in Phoenix (smartly so, don’t get me wrong).

    9. and the pelicans don’t exactly have great shooters…. not a great move but the coaching options out there this year aren’t that great…

    10. I mean, I like Gentry, so I don’t think he’s necessarily a bad choice. But he just seems so similar to Williams. They’re both player’s coaches who aren’t exactly known for their in-game strategy. That’s why Williams was dumped, so why hire a guy so similar to him? I thought that they were going to get a system guy, like Van Gundy. Williams to Van Gundy is a significant change. Williams to Gentry is basically just adding a guy with more experience in the league (Gentry has a rep as an offense guy, but, like I said, his most impressive offense was just running D’Antoni’s system after the Suns moronically hired Terry Porter to slow things down – his best attribute is not his systems but that he’s one of the best communicators in the league, on Doc Rivers’ level there).

    11. RE #3
      I think that might have been me. After reading that Boston might covet Lawson, and that Denver wanted to move up from #7, I thought the Knicks could maybe give up the #4 for Denver’s #7 and Boston’s #16, Denver gets the #4 from the Knicks and #28 from Boston, and Boston gets Lawson. I figured there might be a minor piece or two also moving around to make everyone happy.

    12. there’s a lot of good trade possibilities with denver… i saw one on another board involving the kings/nugs/knicks with the knicks winding up with #6 and # 7 … which i thought looked really good..

      (Their idea)
      NY: Collinson, #6 & #7 picks
      SAC: Lawson, Hardaway
      DEN: #4 pick(Mudiay?), Stauskas, Calderon

      I think Denver taking Calderon is too much and would cost the knicks the #7 pick. I would be okay keeping Calderon(plans for him).

      More and more this is my dream scenario and it is not even that far fetched.

      Last year Chicago traded the #16 and #19 picks in 2014 plus a 2015 2nd to move up to get Denver’s #11 pick.
      Orlando traded the #12 pick, 2017 1st, and 2015 2nd to Philly for the #10

      In 2013 Utah Jazz traded the #14 and #21 picks to Minny for the #9.

      So the least the Knicks should get is a small pick swap and another 1st and those were just a few bottom lottery trades. I’d imagine a top 5 pick will get a little more.

      So, if the knicks could pull off the Den/Sac/Ny deal and get both picks this year and not (#6/future 1st) or (#7/2016 1st) they could become major players since Indy and Boston are reported to want Stein very badly.

      The knicks could pick #6(Winslow/Turner/Kristaps/?) and then trade the #7 to Boston for most of their 2015 picks and get a future 1st.

      This draft could be used to recalibrate their future regaining 1st and 2nd rd picks they lost.

    13. I just don’t think Lawson is enough of an upgrade from Collison for the Kings to do that. They really need a more defensive-minded big to pair with Boogie and possibly a shooting guard, if McLemore continues at that rate.
      Stein or Hezonja would both be great fits for them.

    14. Most likely we’ll end up with Mudiay or Winslow, but something crazy could happen where Russell or one of the bigs falls to us.

    15. I just don’t think Lawson is enough of an upgrade from Collison for the Kings to do that. They really need a more defensive-minded big to pair with Boogie and possibly a shooting guard, if McLemore continues at that rate.
      Stein or Hezonja would both be great fits for them.

      It’s all about Karl and if he really wants Lawson plus they could go after Koufos, another former player Karl likes. Unfortunately, Koufos market might be more than I though it would be.

    16. If we could somehow swing the #4 for Denver’s pick 2016 (best of NY/Denver) and Brooklyn’s 2016 pick from Boston IMO that would be ideal IMO. I just think there’s nothing that matters anywhere near as much as getting that generational player, and that we should do anything we can do get him. i don’t think there’s a player like that available at the 4 spot except for maybe hte long long long shot chance of Porzingis panning out.

      Having our own pick gives us a chance to do a true two year rebuild and to be picky with what we do with our cap space (rather than desperate, which is what i expect now).

      I think Brooklyn is in a paralyzed state right now with the Russian saying he’s open to selling, and the team hemorrhaging money. They already put feelers out to move Deron last year. I think there’s a good chance they just blow things up this summer to save money regardless of the fact that they don’t own their pick, and that would give us two high lotto picks.

      Plus, someone should tell Phil Jackson that the frontrunner #1 pick is a 6’10”, 240lb PF with guard skills who “could play point guard in the triangle.” I.e. Lamar Odom 2.0. http://sports.yahoo.com/news/an-early-look-at-the-possible-no–1-pick-of-the-2016-nba-draft-031435370.html

    17. Ben Simmons, the Aussie, is a interesting talent. He played at Montverde a big time Bball program in south FL. It’s the same program that D’angelo Russell went to.

      Getting Bkl pick would be nice but they would still need Denver’s #7 pick this year too. They can’t just hope once again to luck out in the lottery with Bkl’s pick.

    18. (Their idea)
      NY: Collinson, #6 & #7 picks
      SAC: Lawson, Hardaway
      DEN: #4 pick(Mudiay?), Stauskas, Calderon

      Like us, Sacramento is precluded from trading their pick until it is made, so this scenario can’t actually happen until the picks are made. (Sacramento can draft on NY’s behalf, if it is prearranged, but it can’t be consummated until the evening of the 25th).

      Also, Lawson isn’t looking to just go anywhere. He’d have to agree on an extension for SAC to deal a #6 pick. And from what’s been written, he seems to want to play in Dallas (and Dallas wants him too).

      But, if a trade like this comes up, obviously the Knicks should do it.

    19. The Gentry signing is just another lap around the mediocrity threadmill. Especially mind boggling when they could’ve hired JVG, who’s both one of the best available coaches in the league but also a guy who’s strengths (ie defense, running an offense thru ur big man) are just such an absolute purrfect fit for Anthony Davis.

      Then again we root for a team with Derek Fisher so it’s all relative.

    20. I don’t think Gentry is mediocre, exactly, just not the guy I’d rely on to turn around a young team where the team has to start winning pretty darn soon to convince its young star to stick around.

    21. The Gentry signing is just another lap around the mediocrity threadmill. Especially mind boggling when they could’ve hired JVG, who’s both one of the best available coaches in the league but also a guy who’s strengths (ie defense, running an offense thru ur big man) are just such an absolute purrfect fit for Anthony Davis.

      If JVG really wanted the Pels job, you gotta figure it was a misstep for him to so vehemently kill Chicago management (and press) on behalf of Thibs while interviewing for that job. As dysfunctional as I’m sure the Chicago FO is, I’m also sure that Thibs had his own role to play in that disaster — and Thibs is the most prominent member of the “JVG coaching tree”.

    22. It’s more like the JVG coaching bush, as it is pretty much just Thibs, Steve Clifford and Michael Malone (but does Malone even really count when his dad was a famous coach?). :)

      Stan Van Gundy once actually addressed the Van Gundy coaching tree by arguing that they didn’t have one in his opinion, since he thinks that that means someone who is hired specifically because they worked for a particular coach (like Budz being hired because he was part of Pop’s staff). I don’t think that that is an accurate definition of a coaching tree (I think the way Frank uses it is correct – if you bring a guy into the league as your assistant and he become a head coach, you should be able to take some measure of credit for it) but it is interesting to actually see him specifically address the point.

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