Bobby Watches Dolan/Zeke On HBO (so you don’t have to!)

Robert Silverman’s take on the HBO interview of James Dolan/Isiah Thomas

Gumbel is to be commended. He spends the bulk of the segment peering over reading glasses in a state of near-absolute disbelief, his eyebrows raised permanently to a location just south of his hairline. Like every other sentient being in the known universe, he too seems baffled by the repeated assertions by both Thomas and Dolan that, regardless of the decision by the jury, Anucha Browne is a lying liar.

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40 thoughts to “Bobby Watches Dolan/Zeke On HBO (so you don’t have to!)”

  1. 1st let me say this:
    I’m probably in the minority, but I still love Zeke from his exploits as a player and his eye for young talent as an executive. That will never change. I will always give him that. But…GAWD was that interview painful. It only proved to show just what a lot of Knick fans have been saying for a looooong time, Dolan is an idiot. And Thomas is too. We all make horrifyingly dumb decisions, regardless of age, but why..why sit there and put on a show like everything is ok?? At this stage, you don’t hafta admit guilt or defend innocence to move on. The judge and jury has already spoken!! Those 2 are doing absolutely nothing to help themselves by puffing up and saying “it never happened” and whatnot. Just apologize and say “we are moving on”. Hell, it would even be better to coldly say “we are moving on. We will not be talking about that incident”. In Zeke’s case, what’s the point? He already has a good paying job that NO ONE else would give him, given the circumstances. They just need to STFU about it and move on- regardless of who brings it up. I wonder if Phil is REALLY REALLY regretting his decision now? I don’t know about you guys, but I am tired of the circus atmosphere that always surrounds the team. This interview just turned it up a notch or 10

  2. If Dolan had a brain he would have never agreed to be interviewed about this. Conclusion: He has no brain.

  3. In Zeke’s case, what’s the point? He already has a good paying job that NO ONE else would give him, given the circumstances. They just need to STFU about it and move on- regardless of who brings it up. I wonder if Phil is REALLY REALLY regretting his decision now?

    I’ve got news for you: Dolan, Thomas and Phil Jackson (yes, Phil Jackson, the same guy who laughed and called “clumsy” a Knicks team much better than his 17-win monstrosity of last year) do not give a reverend fuck about fan opinion. They live in a different world, ruled by money and fame, where adulation is never in short supply. Phil Jackson is here because of the 60 millions Dolan is paying him – it’s not like he’s a retardo who just discovered who Dolan is or his association with Thomas.

    As fans, all we can do is decide whether the show is worth watching and making plans accordingly. After all, Dolan is whatever he is, but that does not stop any of the indignant fans from doing business with him by watching the Knicks, going to MSG or buying Knicks merchandise.

    Me? I’m totally corrupt! I do not spend emotional energy on Dolan, Isiah or anyone else. I just enjoy the show – including the sex, lies and video tales. Hope a tape surfaces of Isiah naked in bed with Dolan, Dolan’s wife (or one of the Rockettes) and a small donkey dressed as a leprechaun.

  4. There are very few reasons to root for this team. They’ve been mostly terrible for a decade and a half, and they are owned by a smug ignoramus who has a face so punchable I fear for the safety of my television. Yet here I am, still a fan of this miserable organization, trying to convince myself that Melo is really gonna figure the triangle this year and the weird 7’9″, 165 pound European center we drafted is going to be the future of the franchise and then Kevin Durant will sign here and there will be a statue of Phil Jackson outside MSG someday and blah blah blah.

    I know all of this is never going to happen. I’m still a fan for two reasons:
    1. I really, really loved the Ewing/Oak/Mase/Starks Knicks
    2. Knickerblogger

    That’s it. Those are the only two reasons I give a shit about the Knicks.

  5. Yeah that European guy is really weird. He’s like from Latvia and he’s really tall what a weirdo.

  6. I know all of this is never going to happen. I’m still a fan for two reasons:
    1. I really, really loved the Ewing/Oak/Mase/Starks Knicks
    2. Knickerblogger

    Restaurants and nightclubs look pretty bad when the lights are on for cleaning. A lot of ladies and gentlemen look pretty bad without their fancy clothes. All of us look terrible pushing those demons out of our bodies while sitting on the toilet. Most college-educated people would grow bored pretty quickly if forced to hang out with the average professional athlete.

    But we don’t have to know about any of that. We don’t have to look at the warts or the sticky spot on the floor of our favorite movie theater. We look for a clean spot and enjoy the movie (even if it’s the B-movie our Knicks play every year).

    Being a fan is about enjoying our favorite sport and our favorite team but never losing the perspective: when the show is pretty bad, we can go to a different movie theater. Cavs-Golden State is an Oscar contender this upcoming season. We have a choice – and that makes us free.

  7. “I’m a guy that doesn’t believe in his limitations.” -J Dolan

    It’s taken me (and Robert and countless others) hundreds of thousands of words here at KB over the years to get to the root of Dolan’s ineptitude, and here JPD goes and says it perfectly in one concise sentence. Well done, James Dolan.

  8. “I’m a guy that doesn’t believe in his limitations.”

    I love the phrasing by Jimmy D because the phrasing of the sentence entails that he does have limitations, and yet the intended meaning was to state how he doesn’t have limitations. Instead, it means that he’s simply too dumb to acknowledge his limitations. It’s a perfect indication of how absurd the person is that he can’t even formulate his credo properly.

  9. Right now I am picturing a child Jimmy D, for hours and hours stretching and standing on his tip toes the reach the whatever is in on the shelf that is beyond his reach, because he just doesn’t believe in his limitations.

  10. In other news, I see Andre Drummond opted not to extend with the Pistons until this summer, giving them $13 million in extra flexibility to rebuild their roster. Similar to what Kawhi Leonard did for the Spurs this summer so that they could sign Aldridge. Yet two summers ago, Carmelo “I want to win, I don’t care about the money” put the Knicks through the ringer in a complete and utter vanity grab. Anthony opted out of his contract, despite Phil Jackson’s personal request that Anthony not opt out for the benefit of the team. Anthony, who had already made $136,000,000 over the past ten seasons, opted out in favor of an instantly gratifying wining-and-dining by the other teams and the security of an additional $125,000,000. At the time it was explained by many that it’s what anybody would do in his situation– that there was no precedent for leaving money on the table– etc…

    Drummond, it should be noted, has earned a total of $7,000,000 in his career. Leonard not much more. Neither asked their respective franchises to gut their rosters in order to obtain them. Neither plays in a market big enough to traditionally even compete for top free agents.

    It seems like Anthony is always a day late and a dollar short when it comes to both winning and public relations. Instead of having his praises sung for taking a haircut, or, as Jackson requested, simply waiting a year to mega-max out, Anthony is left to wallow in a slow rebuild while TrumpTweeting his public late at night when they call him selfish and overrated.

    Stan Van Gundy even managed to take a dig at Carmelo in his praise of Drummond: “Every player says I’m all about winning. This guy is proving it.”

  11. Here we go again. Jesus Christ some ppl r just sooo butthurt.

    1)Melo is way older than those two guys
    2) sacrificing money guarantees nothing but having less money (see Dirk) we never ask rich white Guys to take pay cuts in business smh.
    3)what the Fuck is Detroit winning?
    4) wallow in a slow rebuild? Projecting much?
    5) If Melo took an 80 mill contract he would be playing for peanuts. Tristan Thompson won’t even sign for that

  12. There was also little financial benefit to the Knick. His cap hold would have still been huge and taken up a very similar amount of cap space as his salary.

  13. You realize that Kawhi Leonard didn’t take one penny less than the max that the Spurs could legally pay him, right? You also realize that Leonard didn’t sign an extension last year because the Spurs refused his contract demands and not because he wanted to give them flexibility, right? I think he also ended up making more than if he had signed last year. Before you crown Drummond king of the good guys, why don’t we see if he signs for less than the max next summer? Or if he has a change of heart and decides to sign somewhere else.

  14. Tristan Thompson signs. 5 years, $82 million. Cavs will have an enormous tax bill, but their window is right freaking now, and they’re so capped out it would be very hard to acquire a rotation player as good as Thompson any other way.

  15. To sort of steal a line from Michael Douglas in Wall St. If the Knicks ever win a championship while Dolan is the owner it will be like watching my ex wife drive off a cliff……..in my new Maserati.

  16. It’s taken me (and Robert and countless others) hundreds of thousands of words here at KB over the years to get to the root of Dolan’s ineptitude, and here JPD goes and says it perfectly in one concise sentence. Well done, James Dolan.

    That is spot on.

    It’s funny how i am watching the Mets right now and literally certain the Mets will screw it up.

    And with the Knicks that effect would be exponentially higher. If they ever win a title it will probably take 6 months for me to actually internalize that fact and not believe I was on some sort of extended peyote trip.

  17. This was the team I fell in love with at age 8:
    http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/NYK/1968.html

    I had no idea who the owner was, and didn’t care. I just loved painting mind pictures while listening to Marv announce the games. Next thing you know, they became one of the iconic champions in sports history. In an era of improbable championships by the Jets and Mets, it was the Knicks who truly owned New York and best represented the blue-collar, melting pot vibe of the City. For what they gave me back then, I could never turn my back on the laundry, and am delighted that my son will always be a Knicks fan as well.

    As to Dolan, I have no problem putting him out of my mind for the most part. It’s annoying and frustrating, but lots of successful teams have had detestable owners, and most fans of those teams couldn’t care less, so long the team wins (e.g. Steinbrenner) and and the franchise isn’t relocated (e.g. O’Malley.) I hate the guy, but so long as the team is the NY Knicks, I could never let ownership affect my rooting interest.

  18. Question: is it harder to root for teams owned by despicable owners or teams with despicable players?

  19. To me, it’s harder to watch despicable players only because I would see them more often–it’s irrational but the amount of hate I hold for Jason Smith, ThJr, and Andrea Bargnani is approximately equal or more to the amount I harbor for Dolan even though Dolan is exponentially worse as a person than all the others listed. Perhaps if I saw Dolan every other day my mind would change.

  20. @19 – I fell in love with those teams too. The chants of D-Fence. Clyde and the Pearl. The Garden rocked every night. That’s what we want again -the magic. I can tune out Dolan as long as he keeps his hands off the team.

  21. Yet two summers ago, Carmelo “I want to win, I don’t care about the money” put the Knicks through the ringer in a complete and utter vanity grab. Anthony opted out of his contract, despite Phil Jackson’s personal request that Anthony not opt out for the benefit of the team.

    In all fairness, Melo has not let the team down in any way, shape or form: he has delivered volume scoring at a not-so-efficient rate, played mediocre defense and taken as much money as he could. That’s the exact same Melo that played for Denver, the exact same Melo that we saw during the ‘Melo-drama’ negotiations. It even seems to me (but I’m not really sure) Melo has been a slightly better offensive player for the Knicks than he was for Denver. Melo has delivered what any smart, knowledgeable basketball fan should have expected.

    Melo is not the problem. Melo has never been the problem. The problem is that a lot of Knicks fans thought they were getting a team-oriented superstar; it turns out the man is not team-oriented and is also far from superstar caliber. The misunderstanding is thus the fans’ fault for being very poor judges of basketball matters and character traits.

  22. Actually, most fans I talked to, here at KB and elsewhere, had concerns about Melo from the minute he became a possible trade target.

    Problem with Melo is, he can’t be the “brain” of the team. He needs to be surrounded by smart players. That was the case in 2012-13, except that the smart guys were all 40 years old. Jackson seem to understand that, and the roster seems like it will support Melo intellectually.

  23. Before you crown Drummond king of the good guys, why don’t we see if he signs for less than the max next summer?

    I think the point is that Van Gundy presented Drummond with two scenarios: one where he signed a max contract now and one where he waited until next summer to allow for the team to have more flexibility to rebuild with. Phil Jackson presented Anthony with a similar “choice”, and Anthony, though he was already exceedingly rich and had stated that winning was more important than money, took the cash grab option. Drummond, though he has more to risk, chose the “team” option. I think it’s a valid comparison. And it’s one of a handful of reasons why I have a hard time rooting for Anthony on the court. (To answer Z-Man’s question, unlikable players are worse to me than unlikable owners: they are the ones that actually win and lose games– the owner is is just a fan that gets to touch the trophy).

  24. Drummond is a young man. He can wait all he wants. I hate this money talk. Let players get what they can. We don’t judge anyone but the nba players.

    The Knicks will have 20 million next year still you people sit and bitch about this mans contract. It’s beyond petty. People get what they can. He got what he could. Everyone who doesn’t is a fool. You cant live off what self serving fans want.

  25. The last two full seasons Melo has played he’s been a great NBA player yet you and your ilk don’t want to root for him because you don’t like his face or some other petty shit. It’s sad

  26. Thanks to the Mets for coming through big time. ‘Bout time my son gets to see one of his teams play for a championship (he’s a 16yo Knicks-Mets-Jets fan like myself!)

  27. Ewing never took a discount.

    It’s not about a discount. It’s about a 22 year old being willing to work with a GM to facilitate building the best team possible. Something a 10 year veteran was unwilling to do for Phil Jackson.

  28. you and your ilk don’t want to root for him because you don’t like his face or some other petty shit. It’s sad

    Well, I mean, technically it’s kinda sad to root for any grown man to put a ball through a hole. So really we’re just talking about varying degrees of sadness.

  29. Something a 10 year veteran was unwilling to do for Phil Jackson.

    Phil got paid last year to hang in LA

  30. Tristan Thompson signs. 5 years, $82 million. Cavs will have an enormous tax bill, but their window is right freaking now, and they’re so capped out it would be very hard to acquire a rotation player as good as Thompson any other way.

    They’ll pay through the nose this year, but their tax bill should be a lot more manageable next year, which I presume is why they’re doing this this way – lock all their players in before the maxes go up.

  31. I think what sucks is that we didnt win a title since 1970s (i am not yet born)
    and for the fact that we are in NEW YORK and our owner has all the money and doesnt care about the taxes at all.
    Means, resources and time is there but NY cant deliver.
    its more on the management as they cant complain about the resources they just need to deliver.

  32. what’s with the hate about MELO.
    Come on guys. Melo is in NY we should support him because he is part of our team.
    I hope we Knicks fans should learn how to support our team and players.
    Kobe is earning more than Melo in LA yet the lakersland love him.
    He is not even playing for the past few years.
    Yes he did deliver a title but for same reason, Twolves fan loves Garnet even though he didnt deliver a title to their team.
    Maybe we should do our role as fans. I am guessing this is what happened with Ewing. Maybe knikcs fans hate him during the late 90s and rejoiced once ewing is traded.
    Since then the knicks dont have that one guy like (melo, ewing, king) to represent new york.

  33. It’s not about a discount. It’s about a 22 year old being willing to work with a GM to facilitate building the best team possible. Something a 10 year veteran was unwilling to do for Phil Jackson.

    What was he gonna do if he wanted his extension now? He will be a RFA and Detroit will retain him if they want. I guess he could pout and not play and cry for his extension, but if the GM doesnt want to give it to him, there’s nothing Drummond can do…. Well, maybe to tell the media that it was his idea.

    Not saying it happened this way, but let’s not act as if Drummond had any choice in this.

  34. So long as Drummond doesn’t blow out his back, I admire the fool. I have no problem with Melo making max $ in and of itself. I have more of a problem with the way he was OK with the Knicks decimating the team to get him in the first place. It wasn’t the contract, it was the trade that irked me. But that’s on Dolan, and on Walsh for being to much of a coward to go public if he disagreed with the deal.

  35. Me? I’m totally corrupt! I do not spend emotional energy on Dolan, Isiah or anyone else. I just enjoy the show – including the sex, lies and video tales. Hope a tape surfaces of Isiah naked in bed with Dolan, Dolan’s wife (or one of the Rockettes) and a small donkey dressed as a leprechaun.

    Ha! I laughed too hard when I read that!! A small donkey dressed as a leprechaun! LOL, funny thing is..none of that happening would surprise any of us, most likely

  36. It’s funny how i am watching the Mets right now and literally certain the Mets will screw it up.

    Actually..the Mets did screw it up. Have you seen the “champagne celebration”? Hahahahaha. Ah well..at least one of my favorite teams will be playing for a chip this season though!

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