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Watched a youtube video last night about The Knicks and why they’re poised to make a big playoff run and it got me pumped.
I don’t know. I think people are sleeping on us big time. Maybe it’s just Knicks for Clicks but feels like everyone is underestimating us.
But we have everything we need to make a deep run. A veteran team that is playoff tested. Two elite all-star scorers. The best closer in the league right now. Wingstop. A deep bench. And our secret weapon – MITCH. Our defense since January has been great. our offense is a top three in the league. And we have the best 4th quarter point differential in the league.
People are sleeping on us, thinking we’re soft. But I think we’re ready. The team knows what’s expected of them and I do believe they’ve been holding back a gear for exactly this moment. Mitch is going to play every game and he’s going to play 25 to 30 minutes a night. All of our starters have played way less minutes per game than they did last year, so there is extra juice to squeeze there. And we’ve got options on the bench. If Diawara or Kolek or Alvarado have to play because of a weird match up or injury or the team just needs a different look, I’m not going to feel like “oh fuck we gotta play this guy who hasn’t played at all this season?”
I don’t know but I’m excited. Let’s fucking do this.
Good morning, all! Any updates on OG’s availability?
Just checked myself: He practiced on Wednesday!!!!!!! 🙂
I don’t think this series should be particularly competitive. The Hawks beat up on a lot of bad teams in compiling a bunch wins post-Trae. But they really don’t match up well with us at all.
If it does turn out to be a 6 or 7 game series, that would be a pretty ominous development in my view. Obviously to not advance would be an abject disaster.
The one mitigating factor is that this is Brown’s first playoff series as coach and the team’s first time running his system under playoff pressure. Another is that he has only recently settled on a rotation. But even with those caveats, this should not be a difficult series, certainly not as difficult as Detroit was last year. Our roster is better and healthier than it was last year and I think Atlanta is an overhyped fraud.
IMO they aren’t as good as they look based on their record down the stretch against a soft schedule, but even beating the weak teams consistently is a good sign. They also beat the Celtics, Cavs and Pistons along the way. Those teams were less than 100% at the time, but they were still good.
I don’t think this is going to be an easy series. They have a good defense. Even if we win 4-1 or something like that, I think they are going to be close games. We have an edge because we have a better closer and should win tight games. CJ McCallum and Jalen Johnson are both very good players, but I’m not sure either is a high level closer. Maybe this will be Johnson’s coming out party. I hope not.
I agree with Z-Man. It perplexes me to no end that seemingly intelligent people tout Atlanta’s recent record without pointing out that it was compiled against teams trying to lose.
Thanks for this, Raven. It does seem like the single player performance analytics hit a wall in the past few of years, and analyzing groups of players, or the effect player A will have on players B and C hasn’t reached maturity yet.
The type of conversation here probably reflects that. We used to use numbers a lot more, and look down at the eyetest, and it changed a lot recently.
I don’t know that I agree with this. Daniels and NAW are the exact kind of guys who can make Brunson’s life very difficult. Snyder this season has had a center guard KAT, which plays into what we want to do. But I suspect he’s going to switch that up in the playoffs, at least when Kuminga is on the floor. They’re fast, and they do a lot of quick cutting on offense that we’ve had mixed success dealing with.
I still think we’re better than them, and that we’ll win. But I think it’s going to be yet another annoying first-round series for us.
I agree with this.
Everyone knows that if you slow Brunson down and/or put the C on Hart the Knick’s offense sometimes stumbles. It would not shock me if Snyder was keeping that in his bag of tricks for the playoffs or at least tries it more if the Knicks are winning. They can do both things. Hart could wind up being fairly critical to this series if he’s making or missing 3s.
Reading stats about the Knicks I can’t believe what an incredible 4th quarter team they were this season, apparently they recorded the highest 4th quarter net rating ever since play by play stats were first recorded in the 1996-97 season.
I also expect this to be a lot like the Philly series, in the sense that the Atlanta games will feel like home games.
Has anyone else done the math on next Saturday? Two tickets to the Hawks game + airfare + hotel is less than one ticket to game 1 at MSG.
(I’m imagining a scenario where ptmilo tells his wife guess who’s coming for dinner, and invites a bunch of misfits he occasionally slums with on the internet, and she’s appalled by this secret component of his life that he’s kept hidden from his family this whole time.)
Difficult takes a day. Impossible takes a week.
Brunson has figured out every guy who made his life difficult. Philly flummoxed him for two games and then he put up Michael Jordan stats over the next 4. Ausar Thompson is one of the best in the world and he was picking his jock strap off the floor on the last shot of game 6. Jrue Holiday and Derrick White looked like traffic cones.
The only team to ever really slow down Brunson has been Indiana, and they didn’t do it defensively, they just scored so much on the other end that they put enormous pressure on him to score every possession to keep up.
It perplexes me to no end that seemingly intelligent people follow a league compiled of teams trying to lose.
In the Hawks case, you play who play. They beat the Celtics twice, the Magic twice, and the Pistons once in there. But in this day-and-age it’s hard to know if any of those teams were really trying to win, the Hawks included. (somebody’s gotta win each game).
BBA, that’s interesting, but I’d bet (and am way too lazy to look up) that we may have also had the worst first quarter net rating of any 50-win team since play-by-play stats were recorded. So we needed those blazing fourth quarters!
Alan, all fair points. But Brunson has had to deal with defensive big guards/wings pretty much continually, and Brown seems to have come up with ways to counteract the strategy. The recent burgeoning of the Brunson-KAT PnR is promising in freeing both players up.
Atlanta also has glaring holes defensively. Their starting C is a generous 6’9″ and they don’t really have a backup until Jock Landale comes back, and he’s not very good. CJ McCollum is someone who can be targeted any time he is on the floor.
They also present us with some alternatives in containing their scorers. Dyson Daniels makes Josh Hart look like Steph. Jalen Johnson has a lot of “negative Julius” in him. Kuminga is sort of an X-factor because of his athleticism but there’s a reason Kerr gave up on him.
Obviously things could go south and it might wind up being more competitive than I am suggesting, but my main point is that I think we are being grossly disrespected because of our long “lolKnicks” history, outsized NYC and national media attention, outsized expectations, and all the question marks raised by the transition to Brown and our annoying inconsistency during the season. But remember, these Knicks are a team that finished with the 3rd best offense and 7th best defense, and was 5th in net rating despite all the changes and injuries over the course of the season. And that’s with the supposedly one of the worst starting 5’s in the NBA.
“It perplexes me to no end that seemingly intelligent people follow a league compiled of teams trying to lose.”
It perplexes me that seemingly intelligent people follow a league where one team massively outspends most others and acquires multiple MVPs and CY Young candidates so that it can pile up 100+ wins against a bunch of glorified minor leaguers during a “watching paint dry” regular season. Although the fact that those people waste precious time needling fans of other sports about their preferences makes the “seemingly intelligent” thing not so seemingly.
Yeah, nothing like a sport where for many of the teams the season is over before the games even start, and by July it is over for the vast majority of them. But hey, at least those Rockies were trying to win!
That’s what made me believe we do have another gear when we need it. And what makes me less than concerned against everyone but Detroit.
I liked the article a lot, although at the end, it kind of boomeranged back on itself and devolved into “Better numbers are being built,” which sort of defeats the premise.
The critical sentence: “The moment you pick a number to measure success, behavior quietly reorganizes around that number.” When that number doesn’t really even measure anything important — e.g., Mike Brown’s “spray passes” ( insert clown emoji) — the problem worsens.
But bottom line: If you can’t eyetest — LeBron at Rucker Park with no stats kept — you can’t do this right.
(I’ll refine it a bit. If you watched a game in the 50s or 60s or 70s or 80s, you had the eyetest plus you had the boxscore. There is a wealth and treasure chest of information there — it wasn’t remotely difficult to know that Larry Bird was a better player than Danny Ainge or that Bernard King was a better player than Pat Cummings. So what we call “analytics” doesn’t build on nothing; it builds on a treasure trove. Which means the proper delta to look at isn’t “improvement over nothing,” it’s “improvement over treasure trove.”)
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No one can go all out for a full 36+ minutes. The intensity generally picks up in the 4th quarter. So the fact that they are winning those minutes has to be considered a positive.
The other thing to consider is that Brown has managed minutes more conservatively than Thibs. So the team may have more energy left for the 4th quarter.
I paused on this too, because I’d like to think something else is needed, not just numbers. But numbers are all(?) we’ve got right now, so I guess the safe road for analysts would be to look for numbers that are the product of complexity, or even simpler come from earlier in the play, i.e. “screen assists”, or “the pass that leads to the pass”. I hope something richer that that emerges. Like the science of chemistry between players.
Totally agree with this. I think the eye test is amazing.
I agree with Z-man re: the Hawks matchup.
They are clearly a great young team, but I do think we match up better with them than, say, Detroit, or even Orlando… teams with hyper-athletic rimrunners and rebounders.
Nate Duncan covered it fairly well on his pod yesterday. I do think Atlanta will take us to 6 games, but for all the reasons Z mentioned, we should be too difficult for them to contain over a full series (unless, God forbid, every Knick goes cold at the same time).
The 4th quarter state bodes well for us. Also, the fact that we’re 29-22 against winning teams this year (vs. last year when we were awful against teams above 500). Of course since we only won 2 more games than last year, it means we had more stinkers against bad teams. And that is where I think people get nervous because we’re a team that “plays with it’s food” and sometimes plays down to it’s opponent.
But to me, that just points to A) Brown doing more experimenting throughout the whole season, B) the team learning Brown’s system and C) the team being a veteran team that knows that it really only has one job to do and that job starts on Saturday.
There are no “bad” teams in the playoffs, so I don’t we’re going to come out lazy in these games.
Maybe it’s out there already, I don’t know, but I’d like to see something like a “Burden” calculation of the cost of players who can’t (or don’t or won’t) generate shots and the cost to the offense of that. Like maybe start with eyeballing the number of times a player passes up a shot with 8 seconds or less left on the shot clock that the median player would take. Then measure the PPP the offense scores on shots after that pass-up, and dock the player for the delta between that and the team’s PPP as a whole.
That’s entirely back of the envelope and on the fly, but a player who just picks the best parts of the smorgasbord for himself and leaves the rest to others should pay a BB-ref-page price for that. “Quentin Grimes had a TS% of 592, but that was offset by 6.1 Burdens” would be the general idea.
I seemed intelligent?
You’re not wrong. And I’m quite happy my annual sabbatical overlaps perfectly with this nonsense.
If Silver’s reforms don’t fix this mess (and I doubt they will, since his last reforms created this mess in the first place), I will go the way of Jowles and make my NBA sabbatical more permanent. (I’d say go the way of you, Donnie, but then I’d have to log in every three days just to tell people I don’t care any more 😉)
I miss the days when the Yankees were the team that massively outspent the others…
Well, our team isn’t trying to lose
“Bernard King was a better player than Pat Cummings”
Pat Cummings, maybe my least favorite Knicks player ever, had abysmal advanced stats. In his 4-year Knicks career he averaged a -2.6 BPM and a -0.7 VORP. Thankfully that corresponds perfectly with my eye test and box score takes.
I like it.
It would help clarify the cost of lower usage players. Some may be low usage because they are 4th or 5th option on a great team and are finding an even better shot for someone else and some may be playing hot potato avoiding a meh shot and forcing someone else to take it.
I enjoy the 82-game slog because I greatly enjoy narrative and individual and team evolution over time. Watching someone come into their own (e.g., Deuce) is just enormously fun. Of course sometimes that evolution involves backsliding, which is not so much fun, but then there’s the ‘can they pull themselves out of the muck’ narrative. YMMV.
And I’m not sure I agree with Strat on nobody can go all-out for 36 minutes. Josh Hart is a pretty decent example of the counter-argument. And I’d argue that winning in the playoffs is where your whole team HAS to go all-out for 36 (or however many minutes one is on the court). We say the intensity increases — same thing in my book.
Which is why I’m a tad nervous despite agreeing with Z-Man that the Knicks are clearly better than Atlanta — on paper. If they do their usual first-quarter “I wonder what’s for dinner” shit, we’ll be in real trouble.
I don’t think Josh Hart goes all out for 36 minutes. I think his “average” is like a lot of other player’s “all out” and his “all out” is elite. He’s super fit. Mitch has a pretty elite “all out” also, but he’s not playing as many total minutes or as many minutes in a row. So he can push harder when he does play.
I do think everyone will push harder in the playoffs.
So measuring the cost of selfishness, for shy shooters and not only arrogant ones. I once stopped dating a woman because she was shy, and I felt it’s not a good combination. Then she became a well known writer – and she’s still shy.
I get the outcry against having a third of the league racing to the bottom in some way.
Some caveats:
-for the most part, the players on the court and the coaches are playing hard and trying to win, even if management has decided to “rest” key players. It’s more that the teams on the floor don’t have the talent to be competitive in most games. Isn’t that the case for the bottom 10 teams in pretty much every sports league? If yes, then who cares what the reason is?
-NBA basketball is one of the few sports that features at least a handful of marquee games every week, and usually on several days. Nearly game involving two of the top-10 teams in the league is going to be somewhat entertaining. This is especially true in today’s game where no lead is safe and massive swings and lead changes are the norm.
-NBA basketball is the only sport where a superstar is likely to have a massive impact on the outcome on most nights. No one plays only one side of the ball/puck/whatever, or one part of the court/field. Games can be dominated on either end at any position.
-Scoring is continuous, so you are less likely to miss a pivotal play by getting up to take a leak.
There are things that need to be addressed and some of them will be. In fact, some of them have been! Again, the play-in structure has made the middle of the pack more competitive, and the play-in games have largely been very entertaining. I’m not a big fan of the IST but it seems to be a big hit and I enjoyed beating SAS in the finals.
I guess my larger point is that if you don’t like the NBA because of tanking, you can easily find similar reasons to not like other sports. Either you love NBA basketball or you don’t.
Either way, still good for a laugh, you Dodgers-fan bastard, you
Knicks wearing white, Hawks black for Saturday’s game. Excellent uniform matchup.
That’s how it always was in olden times, before all of the “alternate” uniforms came about. Home team always wore white.
The Boylan article is good and there are examples of Goodhart’s Law littered across the NBA. Team 3PA is just one example–it used to have a strong correlation with overall efficiency and offensive rating, but as teams pretty much unanimously settled on jacking them up that’s become much more attenuated.
That said, he underrates the existing tools for quantifying the benefit skillsets that go undetected by the box score. He’s correct that Klay Thompson was always underrated by the box score AIOs…but in his prime EPM ranked him as high as 10th in the league.
It’s hard to think of a player who is clearly good, but not ranked as such by either the box score AIOs or the impact-adjusted metrics. If you fail both tests you’re almost certainly just bad.
Benny Math!
If you went back to 1972-73, let’s say, and just looked at the various players’ box scores, FG%, PPG, assists, RPG, AstPG, FT%, and team record and just ranked them all one to whatever based on that, you’d be something like 95% “right.” Maybe even more. You’d want to try to find a way to adjust for minutes played, obviously, and maybe try to go through the box scores and sample who the player likely guarded for 10-20 games and see how that player performed but other than that, you’re pretty much all the way to where you need to go.
The notion of players who are “good” but who don’t otherwise show it through this data list is not entirely specious, but it’s pretty specious nonetheless. Good basketball players are good at making baskets and assisting teammates who make baskets and getting rebounds and at not getting torched by their man on defense, and not clearly missing assignments on defense off the ball. This isn’t a big mystery. (Obviously there are players who take a lot of shots to make their baskets, but FG% weeds those out and helps us distinguish who’s actually good at making baskets.)
Jalen Brunson makes a lot of baskets and can create the opportunities for himself and his teammates to make baskets. Jalen Brunson is, pretty much ergo, an excellent basketball player. Eye test, standard box score.
What’s interesting to me is that this is one of Boylan’s two examples of how a player, or a system navigates a weakness to benefit the team, but it has to be the right system, and the right players around him. I think it goes beyond an individual’s impact into a group dynamic, which I find fascinating.
It would also indicate that the coach matters more than what Berry (and us following him) found in his research.
Klay’s a 44.8% FG shooter on his career, peaking at .488, playing in a system tailor-made for his skills. That ain’t top-10 material. I’m not even sure where the “underrating” is. He was a key cog on a bunch of extremely good teams and was given a lot of credit for them.
(Just as a personal aside, looking at his BB-ref page, I’m shocked that he never had a single season with a TS% of .600 and his career number is only .571. I’d have guessed those numbers were quite a bit better.)
One of Colin Cowherd’s 4 NBA playoff takes is that the Knicks are going to lose to the Celtics because they have no bench.
I mean can you do a minimal amount of homework before you make these asinine statements?
I really gotta stop watching these blowhards.
Frankie Smokes still catching strays….
Berry was certainly a revelation to me, but I wonder how much he added to the conversation at higher levels. Rebounds are famously overrated in his original metric, but Riley preached “no rebounds, no rings” years earlier.
Either way, seems like a quick thought experiment would show how valuable a coach can be: take even an average coach today and put him in 1996, and watch him use all the advantages of the modern game to decimate his opponents. The only reason most coaches don’t do that kind of thing is that most coaches aren’t that great – but one COULD be if, for example, they understood the game better, a la Kerr coming into Golden State.
This is obviously accurate if you define “good” as “incredibly talented at the sport of basketball such that they’d blow away a casual spectator,” but I’m not sure how strongly it holds up if you define it as “conducive to winning NBA games.”
When Ricky Davis put up 20.6/4.9/5.5 for the 2002-2003 Cavs, your 1972-1973 “model” may well have ranked him very highly, unless it indexed incredibly heavily on the FG% and team record inputs. Alas, owing to his .485% TS, among other things, I think his -0.3 BPM that year sheds some necessary light.
I do agree that if you’re ranking the very best players, the cream will tend to rise to the top almost regardless of your method provided it isn’t totally cockamamie. The PER and BPM top 5 are literally identical despite different inputs!
But how insightful is that, really? When 30 multibillion dollar organizations are fighting over scarce wins, the edges are almost always going to be more marginal–identifying that a consensus middling player is actually good, that a consensus good player is actually very good, etc.
As a result of these kinds of empiric advancements, there’s absolutely a class of players who have become very wealthy that would’ve been ignored in the ’70s, and conversely a different class of players now playing overseas that would’ve become very wealthy in the ’70s.
It would index very heavily on the FG%. That’s how you’d measure “efficiency.” You don’t need TS% to get to “inefficient.” It makes it slightly more exact, but it isn’t a new tool or a new concept. No one was fooled by Ricky Davis in 2002 and they wouldn’t have been in 1972.
Hard to know, given the massive change in the game since the 70s. I’m pretty sure a decent number of ABA players who put up decent numbers in the ABA got merged out of jobs in 1976-77. Given the fact that the ABA was roughly on par with the NBA in terms of player quality, that would indicate at least some insightful discernment on the part of the GMs picking players and the coaches picking which players to play.
A rigorous study of that process using today’s insights and numbers would actually be a very interesting project.
(In terms of the ABA, it might have been mentioned already, but the four-part Amazon documentary on the league, “Soul Power,” is a great watch.)
To be clear, those teams were not just extremely good, they were inarguably among the best basketball teams to ever play the game.
Their first championship (and 67 win regular season) was centered, not on great shooting, but a combination of that and having one of the best defenses of their era. It wasn’t all Draymond. Thompson was an extremely under-appreciated defender (as was Steph).
No one in the NBA was fooled by Ralph Simpson post-merger. There are many others.
Still a bunch of misses, start with Jokic and Giannis and on the flip side, Anthony Bennett. Then all the low second-rounders doing great work in the league. Then move to G-League guys who come into the association and play really well. Daniss Jenkins would be one. Plenty of others.
Not really sure there are any fewer “misses” today than at any other time. It’s an inexact art-science. Always has been, always will be. That makes it fun.
Makes slightly more sense if he means the Celtics have removed the physical benches in the guest locker room and will not be providing courtside chairs to Knicks players.
It’s amazing that everyone in NY’s primary worry is the starting unit and the talking headless think we don’t have a bench.
Draft positions of first and second team all-NBA players, 1972-73 and 2024-25:
1972-73:
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar — 1
Nate Archibald — 19
John Havlicek — 9
Spencer Haywood — 30 (*)
Jerry West — 2
Rick Barry — 4
Dave Cowens — 4
The Incomparable Walt Frazier — 5
Elvin Hayes — 1
Pete Maravich — 3
AVERAGE: 7.8 (AVERAGE, ex. Haywood: 5.3)
2024-25:
Giannis — 15
SGA — 11
Jokic — 41
Spida — 13
Tatum — 3
Brunson — 33
Curry — 7
Ant — 1
LBJ — 1
Mobley — 3
AVERAGE: 12.8
Four of the five all-NBA players last year were drafted outside the top 10. The average all-NBA player last year was drafted outside the top 10. The average all-NBA player in 1973 was drafted within the top 10, and measured correctly ex-Haywood, seven full slots higher than his 2025 counterpart.
Not really seeing the fooling or the missing or the hidden magic of the modern analytical world.
(*) This one should be thrown out because the NBA didn’t want Haywood because he sued to get in early, as that ABA documentary explained, and so he wasn’t *really* “drafted 30th.” Doesn’t matter so we’ll keep him in.
Were the all-NBA voters BITD confused by pointzzzz? Not really, although they did elect two players to the second team who shot under league average TS%.(*) First team average TS+ better then, TS+ for first two teams slightly better now.
BITD:
First team:
Abdul-Jabbar — 117
Archibald — 111
Havlicek — 101
Haywood — 107
West — 107
FIRST TEAM AVERAGE: 108.6
Second Team:
Barry — 102
Cowens — 96
The Incomparable Walt Frazier — 107
Hayes — 96
Maravich — 101
OVERALL AVERAGE: 104.5
Modern:
Giannis — 108
SGA — 111
Joker — 115
Spida — 100 (**)
Tatum — 101
FIRST TEAM AVERAGE: 107
Second team:
Brunson — 105
Curry — 107
Ant — 103
LBJ — 105
Mobley — 110
OVERALL AVERAGE: 106.5
It was before my real time, but Cowens played for a 67-win Boston team and had a rep as a hustlebunny, and didn’t really score much, so it couldn’t have been pointzzz. Kind of the same with Hayes, who only averaged 21 a game but 14.5 rebounds. That said, if someone wants to make the case that their efficiency wasn’t looked at right, there’s at least a superficial one to be made. Flip side, both were second-teamers and the first team that year was more efficient than the 2025 first team.
BIg picture, no real fooling, nothing really missed, and the voters got to “efficiency” without it being overtly measured but merely conceptualized and inferred.
(**) Isn’t Spida being on there at least kinda, sorta a bit of a pointzzz illusion?
(*) TS% wasn’t a number in and of itself then, of course, but instead a concept gotten to through other numbers. No voter had the ability to just look at a guy’s TS% as they do now.
117 is an incredible number for Jabbar
I don’t mean it was out of whack for him, I mean what a great number
I don’t think you can compare eras like that, sorry. Just too many different factors.
The Magic look like the team they were expected to be at the start of the season. Injuries were clearly a factor, but it was still a disappointing season until the first half of this game against the Hornets. We’ll see if they can sustain it.
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