“Wait, I’m the what?!? Like, as in the dozenth man?? I don’t even have the fingers to count that high. Fuck all a y’alls. You know who I am, man? I’m Malcolm Fucking Brogdon. I was rookie of the year AND 6th man of the year. You know who else can say that? Just me and Ben Gordon man, that’s it, that’s the whole list. 12th man, shee. I’ll tell you this: no one puts Brogdon at the end of a bench, down there with the Nevitts and the Butlers. No one. I quit. No, better yet, I retire. That’s right, quit for good. How you like me now mothafuckas!”
20 years from now Donnie will open the virtual laptop imbedded in his brain and this will be exposed verbatim in a clickbait.
“The Clippers’ approach of just signing every useful old player is fascinating to me. They actually look really good in the EXTREMELY short term.”
It’s kinda funny that we’re worried that Jordan Clarkson is washed when the Clips have the following guys on their roster:
Kawhi
Harden
Bogdan
Lopez
Batum
CP3
Beal
The team doctor is gonna have his hands full…
It’s 100% bizarre. And yet, if everyone is willing to take smaller roles, it might actually work in the short term. Brook Lopez as a backup? That’s pretty darn not awful, ya know? Chris Paul as a backup? Bradley Beal in the Norman Powell role (astonishingly, they somehow got YOUNGER in the Powell/Beal swap!)?
But yes, Kawhi will get hurt, and it will all be ruined.
I think you need a certain amount of humility to be the 12th man.
I don’t think we signed Jordan Clarkson for his humility.
This isn’t 12th man we’re talking about. It’s backup PG. Folks have been saying you couldn’t do better than Jordan Clarkson for the minimum but that’s hard to argue when you could have gotten Russ for the minimum, too.
The fit with Hart is interesting to say the least. But having two rebound demons who can both push the ball on every opportunity on a bench unit is probably ugly but effective.
Come to think of it, it probably should have been Clarkson and Russ. Russ and Josh both being able to rebound would have let you play 4 guards (Russ, Josh, Deuce, Clarkson) with a big. When that big is Mitch you’d have had three of the best offensive rebounders in the league on the floor with Clarkson.
He’d also have provided good insurance for Hart if he needs surgery to fix that finger (which he probably does, and we’re going to be worse off in the long run if he doesn’t get it).
Seems like something we should have been giving more consideration to than Malcolm Brogdon.
Again, I would have been fine with Russ. Clarkson is great as well. Both? Nah.
Hot Take Alert!
Clarkson as the back up PG is going to work out great for us.
Him being the back up PG and Deuce as the back up SG will work because making Clarkson the back up PG will force him to be more of a playmaker and not look to just chuck it up. Sure, he will do that too but I’m betting as the season progresses, he will lean more and more into the PG role. He can get into the paint, break down the D and make that pass to the open man who can then get that good shot.
I also think as hopeful as I was for Brogdon, seeing him be so slow in pre-season was a real eye opener. Not having him on the team improves the athleticism that Z man is worried about because it gives more minutes to Clarkson and Deuce.
It also will give Kolek an opportunity. And I have not given up on the kid.
I still think Dadiet might be out the door because I think Leon will want Matthews and Shamet and if we move Dadiet we can get them both and still have the opportunity to add one more vet later down the road off the waiver wire. I’d take Shamet over Matthews if we had to choose one but I do see the benefit of having a pure flame thrower like Matthews as an option off the bench.
My biggest concern is Hart right now. He needs to get the hand right and I would much rather he sit now and get the surgery and come back in January to give us a boost that struggle through the season and never be quite right.
I’d rather have the deeply flawed player who can shoot than the deeply flawed player who can’t.
My hot take is that Yabu and Clarkson are going to be worse than Precious & Payne
agree with almost all that walker said except for prefer mathews over shamet
How did Shamet hurt you, Doogie?
I’m fine without Russ, and I’m a Russ backer. Bench shooting is pretty important these days (ask Donnie about his Pacers.)
Payne was very good last year. I think the hot take is actually suggesting Clarkson is an upgrade.
If Yabu is worse than Precious god help us.
I’d rather have the deeply flawed player who can shoot than the deeply flawed player who can’t.
I’d rather have them both than Kolek but hopefully he proves me wrong. There was a lot of good stuff written about him before the draft that excited me. I haven’t seen it manifest yet.
I honestly don’t know anymore. I was excited about Brogdon’s potential fit, but at the same time anxious to see Kolek make a jump. Turns out, Brogdon didn’t fit and Kolek probably hasn’t made that necessary jump. So now the catch-22 is do we trust the process with Kolek, or move him and find a decent vet PG? If we’re going with the vet PG, I wouldn’t mind giving Fultz a shot. Maybe Monte Morris, but I don’t think he’s healthy. Otherwise maybe we should trust the process with our young and extremely raw players like Kolek, Diawara, and Dadiet. But I’m also greedy and want to keep Evbuomwan. DAMMIT WHY DOES THE END OF THE BENCH HAVE TO BE SO STRESSFUL?? LOL
I was lukewarm on Westbrook before we got Clarkson but I don’t see why we’d want both. Hart does most of the stuff Westbrook still does reasonably well without thinking he’s entitled to ~8 infuriating shots per game. It’s probably irrelevant anyway, as Russ wasn’t coming here to soak up some leftover minutes.
Payne was eminently cromulent for us last season and I’d hardly say it’s impossible Clarkson is a downgrade in the aggregate. I think the front office was just looking for a different skillset, though. Payne racked up 8.1 drives per-36 minutes while Clarkson was at 16.6. Payne got to the line 1.8 times per-36 while Clarkson was at 5.4.
These are areas we were really wanting for last season, and I do think it makes sense to tradeoff Payne’s superior shooting for them (with the caveat that the tradeoff being positive does rely on good and increased shooting from others).
Kolek is still a Rorschach test to me. My test says he isn’t particularly tall or quick, but hasn’t been a train wreck on defense, of late at least. He also hasn’t been destroyed by defenses when in at point (e.g., he can bring the ball up and get into sets, and even penetrate at times), and seems to have the decent court vision he was touted as having. Perhaps playing with guys who can actually make baskets will help a lot, at least in terms of piling up assists. The thing he needs to do is start making threes. If he can do that, he’s a perfectly cromulent backup against other backups, at least. If not, well…
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But I’m also greedy and want to keep Evbuomwan
Tosan is on a 2-way so we can keep him without making any moves. So are McCullar and Jemison.
clarkson is very much an upgrade over cam yabu will round into form no pun intended lets remember how well kolek performed for us when jalen was out towards the end of last season that should count for something
I actually want Clarkson to do less playmaking. Just create some shots for yourself, keep turnovers low, soak up some usage when Brunson isn’t in the game. Ideally you want to see him with a TS+ no lower than 95, TOV% under 10, and an assisted basket rate in the 20’s.
Yabu is here mostly for spacing and low-usage/high-efficiency scoring. He’s a slow fat guy so he needs to use his IQ to disrupt some passing lanes, get some screen assists, make the occasional nice pass, and contribute in other little ways like that. At his best he’s a scrappy and competitive dude who can contribute despite his chonkosity. He’s sort of like the inverse of Precious, who is an Adonis with very little feel for the game.
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Kind of disagree, JK. The Clarkson I saw last game was kind of perfect, in that he took his shots but seemed to be really looking to pass first. That’s probably partly just me (I’m fond of the passing thing), but I liked that version of Clarkson and threw no shoes at the screen.
Meanwhile playoff Vildoza has been arrested in the night in my city for attacking a nurse
Crazy day
Clarkson‘s reputation as an inveterate chucker is probably exaggerated. I think his AST rate will be in the high teens or low 20s, possibly higher. It’s important that he keeps his turnovers down because he is not efficient to begin with so that somewhat makes up for it. Turnovers are possession killers, and he had several dumb ones in the last preseason game, hopefully those were more about it being preseason.
Evbuomwan
Tosan is on a 2-way so we can keep him without making any moves. So are McCullar and Jemison.
Thanks! I forgot they are on 2 way deals. So then are we trusting the process, or like Melo said, do we need a NemBhard?
My hot take is that Yabu and Clarkson are going to be worse than Precious & Payne
It isn’t a hot take to say they are going to be worse defensively. I’ve been making that case for quite awhile now. I suspect our defense is going to suck when Mitch isn’t on the court. If it’s OK, then Brown is a defensive guru.
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Maybe Dennis Smith Jr will be available soon.
I was never a DSJ fan, but at least he plays defense.
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If Yabu is worse than Precious god help us.
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What if instead of signing either Shamet or Mathews the Knicks stay at 12 players for the first 14 days of the season and then sign two 1st year players, Diawara and I guess, Nnaji. That way when buy out season happens they could waive one of them and have enough to sign 2 vet minimums.
I could see both Middleton and McCollum getting bought out, also Nurkic and Niang, plus probably a couple we can’t predict. There are always some very good players bought out post trade deadline and we have the 4th best championship odds so we are an attractive landing place for any of them.
We could also wait 14 days and then sign Shamet/Mathews and Diawara but then whoever we wanted for our 15th spot would have to be willing to wait until the end of February to sign.
The other option would be to trade Dadiet, then wait 14 days and sign all three of Shamet, Mathews, and Diawara. That would allow us to sign up to three players post deadline if we then cut Shamet and Mathews, or two and keep one of them.
Buyout market’s not a thing for us under the new CBA. We can only sign guys who make less than the non-tax MLE ($14M).
Spencer Dinwiddie was just released by Charlotte.
Buyout market’s not a thing for us under the new CBA.
I thought it was only when you were over the second apron. Is there a limitation for teams over the first apron, as well?
EDITED TO ADD: Ah, you added more info, gotcha. I dunno, I think there are likely plenty of useful dudes making under $14 million who will be bought out.
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The Charlotte Hornets are waiving guard Spencer Dinwiddie, sources tell ESPN. Dinwiddie, an 11-year NBA veteran, signed a one-year deal with the Hornets in July free agency. Charlotte had to release a guaranteed salary ahead of season opener next week.
Would you rather have Dinwiddie than Shamet?
Dinwiddie’s recent numbers are solid enough on a surface level but his defensive metrics paint a picture of someone basically scoring on his own basket, so my guess is we steer clear.
Would you rather have Dinwiddie or Clarkson? They seem more similar. I don’t want either but perhaps its a real question…
I think I’d take Dinwiddie over Clarkson whose defense is also beyond terrible. Of course, that’s not the choice because Clarkson is already on the team. So it’s Clarkson duplicate or a SG that can shoot. Still wouldn’t hate another ball handler.
For what it’s worth, Mikal’s miracle half season took place with Dinwiddie as his backcourt partner.
Precious is known as a defensive player, and he does get some blocks/steals and can play some decent one-on-one defense at times, but he gives a lot of that value back because of his poor defensive awareness. I always found his team defense and help defense to be lacking because he’s always just arriving a split second late.
Yabu may be a bit worse of a net defender, but in general I think Precious’ defensive prowess was overrated. I found myself yelling at him a lot.
Dinwiddlie’s rep as as a toxic locker room guy, while Shamet’s after injury rehab journey in humility tilts the scale firmly in the guy I want to root for.
What if instead of signing either Shamet or Mathews the Knicks stay at 12 players for the first 14 days of the season and then sign two 1st year players, Diawara and I guess, Nnaji. That way when buy out season happens they could waive one of them and have enough to sign 2 vet minimums.
I’d probably forego this option just because Shamet and Mathews are both very usable and we don’t have a ton of shooting off the bench for an offensive system that featured some deadeye shooters.
I’m willing to bet vets will wait till the end of February to join our team unless things go terribly wrong.
clarkson/dinwiddie/mathews is a great combination dinwiddie makes up for what brogdon would have given us and at 68 percent career/83 percent last season is much more of a pg than shamet ever was or will be (13 percent career/0 percent last season) dinwiddie has also played in 234 regular season games over the past three seasons as compared to brogdons 130 over the same span
I forgot about the whole apron thing with buyouts. There will still be decent players we can sign like Niang or Richards, etc.
In that case probably just one vet and Diawara for now. I’d still wait 14 days to buy us a bit of wiggle room and roster 12 for the first two weeks.
As for Dinweddie vs Shamet/Mathews I’d take Dinweddie but honestly I’m hoping a big man shakes loose because that’s what we really need as our 11th man.
clarkson/dinwiddie/mathews is a great combination
If this whole 12th man thing doesn’t work out for them they can start an investment firm together.
you could say the same thing with almost any three players surnames
You could, except that Clarkson sounds like an investment broker, and Matthews looks like investment broker, and Dinwiddie actually is an investment broker, so there was actually a lot of artistry to my last post that I’m not surprised you missed.
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Actually I think Mathews looks like an investment broker five years after getting caught with his hand in the cookie jar, like the guy scuffling in the corner of the yard trying not to get beat up. Or maybe the guy with the shiv everyone else is afraid of.
Otherwise, Donnie, tip o’ the cap for your artistry.
It looks like Dallas is going to release Dennis Smith Jr.
He’s still not a good shooter, but he’s a very good defender and a real PG. He’s a better player than he was when we had him the first time and I believe he did work out for the Knicks not too long ago.
We could do a lot worse than having a very good defender at the PG position on our bench given the defensive abilities of Brunson, Clarkson and Kolek. Even if he’s not a rotation player, he can come in for defensive purposes on certain possessions and in late game situations.
Meanwhile playoff Vildoza has been arrested in the night in my city for attacking a nurse
(insert GIF w/ Minion saying “whaaat?”)
With all of these scrubs getting released and not really having many options, again, I don’t know what the rush is.
I tried very hard to like Spencer Dinwiddie and his game because I thought his name was just altogether too excellent, but I could never do it.
Although I think he’s a better choice than DSJ. Good lord, hard no there.
But as Z-Man says, if we’re picking through the scrap heap, maybe it’s worth waiting until all the garbage gets dumped first.
my take on Brogdon is that he is washed and probably not as motivated as he could be, and was probably quietly told he wasn’t going to make the team — and so they created this self-retirement story to save face and let him go out telling the story the way he wanted to tell it.
I’d be fine with DSJ but am thinking I’d rather have Garrison Matthews (Garry Bird, that nickname is so funny) with that last spot. We can see how Kolek/Clarkson/Mikal do in the backup PG role. There will always be a backup PG somewhere that we can pick up before the trade deadline or buyout market.
mikal was never going to be in the backup pg role deuce maybe but not mikal who has played barely above 0 percent of his 18514 regular season nba minutes at the position
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Meanwhile playoff Vildoza has been arrested in the night in my city for attacking a nurse
Will he be out of jail in time for the playoffs?
One of the problems with arguing over who’s going to be the backup this or that these days is it leaves hyper-literal, in-the-box people confused. Mikal was bringing the ball up a lot two preseason games ago. Does that make him a point guard? The hell do I know, it’s a classic point guard job, with Jalen playing off the ball (SG?).
Our tiny pea brains need classification systems to help us make sense of the world (genus, species), but the real world doesn’t really work that way.
Sometimes a donkey is just a donkey — Mitch is a center, full stop. Kolek is probably only a point guard. Everyone else, it depends on their role that day, or that play.
that was a preseason games where all the roles are kind of all over the place doubtful that mikal brings the ball up much during the regular season i might be surprised who knows right now much more likely to be deuce than mikal as deuce has played 54 percent of his career regular season minutes at pg although admittedly not as much lately it was mostly in his rookie year
One of the big problems last year was that everyone figured out that they should full-court-press Brunson, who then had to take 14 seconds to get up the court and into a set play, leaving little time to actually do anything. Plus it was exhausting just to watch, and likely even more exhausting to do, for Brunson.
Brown wants to speed things up. One of the easiest ways to do that is inbound the ball to guys who can get over the line quickly and without much in the way of planned impediment, even if it’s just to hand the ball back to Brunson at the top of the key.
Plus it was exhausting just to watch, and likely even more exhausting to do, for Brunson.
It’s actually a lot more exhausting to run that it is to walk. It also helps prevent player injuries and allows for starters to play more minutes.
I get what Brown wants to do, it’s both merited and needed to some extent but we also have to be very careful what we wish for. Both things can hold true.
i do definitely think that mikal will have different responsibilities on defense he wont be guarding the opposing teams pg nearly as much hopefully never
It seems wise to give Kolek an extended run as backup PG to start the year and see if he can cut it. There will be plenty of options if he can’t. What you don’t want to do is not play him for three months, then find out he can’t cut it in February when someone gets hurt and all the options have been signed.
Actually not bad reasoning, Hubie, although I’m pretty sure it won’t happen. But I do hope that Kolek gets more than the occasional two-minute drill at the end of blowouts, for just the reasons you describe. Eight to ten minutes a game might be useful for everyone.
New York is ailing going into its preseason finale against the Charlotte Hornets: already dealing with the missing Josh Hart, SNY insider Ian Begley reported that OG Anunoby “tweaked his ankle” and did not practice while Karl-Anthony Towns was “limited to individual work” due to a quad. James Edwards III of The Athletic labeled the duo day-to-day.
Saw Trae and the Hawks couldn’t get a deal done. I wouldn’t want to give him a huge deal.
One thing about Thibs was that even though the starters played a lot of minutes, the practices were more like training than scrimmages and overall the Knicks did well injury wise. I suspect Brown is having more competitive scrimmages. I hope the players hold up.
I wonder if these “injuries” to starters are at least in part a way to gracefully keep them out of a game where they would be playing against kids who are desperate for a roster spot, As we know from the Jaime Jaquez Affair, eager and desperate young players can do dumb (if unintentional) “hustle” things that result in guys getting hurt. There’s nothing really to gain from playing starters against Charlotte.
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20 years from now Donnie will open the virtual laptop imbedded in his brain and this will be exposed verbatim in a clickbait.
“The Clippers’ approach of just signing every useful old player is fascinating to me. They actually look really good in the EXTREMELY short term.”
It’s kinda funny that we’re worried that Jordan Clarkson is washed when the Clips have the following guys on their roster:
Kawhi
Harden
Bogdan
Lopez
Batum
CP3
Beal
The team doctor is gonna have his hands full…
It’s 100% bizarre. And yet, if everyone is willing to take smaller roles, it might actually work in the short term. Brook Lopez as a backup? That’s pretty darn not awful, ya know? Chris Paul as a backup? Bradley Beal in the Norman Powell role (astonishingly, they somehow got YOUNGER in the Powell/Beal swap!)?
But yes, Kawhi will get hurt, and it will all be ruined.
I don’t think we signed Jordan Clarkson for his humility.
This isn’t 12th man we’re talking about. It’s backup PG. Folks have been saying you couldn’t do better than Jordan Clarkson for the minimum but that’s hard to argue when you could have gotten Russ for the minimum, too.
The fit with Hart is interesting to say the least. But having two rebound demons who can both push the ball on every opportunity on a bench unit is probably ugly but effective.
Come to think of it, it probably should have been Clarkson and Russ. Russ and Josh both being able to rebound would have let you play 4 guards (Russ, Josh, Deuce, Clarkson) with a big. When that big is Mitch you’d have had three of the best offensive rebounders in the league on the floor with Clarkson.
He’d also have provided good insurance for Hart if he needs surgery to fix that finger (which he probably does, and we’re going to be worse off in the long run if he doesn’t get it).
Seems like something we should have been giving more consideration to than Malcolm Brogdon.
Again, I would have been fine with Russ. Clarkson is great as well. Both? Nah.
Hot Take Alert!
Clarkson as the back up PG is going to work out great for us.
Him being the back up PG and Deuce as the back up SG will work because making Clarkson the back up PG will force him to be more of a playmaker and not look to just chuck it up. Sure, he will do that too but I’m betting as the season progresses, he will lean more and more into the PG role. He can get into the paint, break down the D and make that pass to the open man who can then get that good shot.
I also think as hopeful as I was for Brogdon, seeing him be so slow in pre-season was a real eye opener. Not having him on the team improves the athleticism that Z man is worried about because it gives more minutes to Clarkson and Deuce.
It also will give Kolek an opportunity. And I have not given up on the kid.
I still think Dadiet might be out the door because I think Leon will want Matthews and Shamet and if we move Dadiet we can get them both and still have the opportunity to add one more vet later down the road off the waiver wire. I’d take Shamet over Matthews if we had to choose one but I do see the benefit of having a pure flame thrower like Matthews as an option off the bench.
My biggest concern is Hart right now. He needs to get the hand right and I would much rather he sit now and get the surgery and come back in January to give us a boost that struggle through the season and never be quite right.
I’d rather have the deeply flawed player who can shoot than the deeply flawed player who can’t.
My hot take is that Yabu and Clarkson are going to be worse than Precious & Payne
agree with almost all that walker said except for prefer mathews over shamet
How did Shamet hurt you, Doogie?
I’m fine without Russ, and I’m a Russ backer. Bench shooting is pretty important these days (ask Donnie about his Pacers.)
Payne was very good last year. I think the hot take is actually suggesting Clarkson is an upgrade.
If Yabu is worse than Precious god help us.
I’d rather have them both than Kolek but hopefully he proves me wrong. There was a lot of good stuff written about him before the draft that excited me. I haven’t seen it manifest yet.
I honestly don’t know anymore. I was excited about Brogdon’s potential fit, but at the same time anxious to see Kolek make a jump. Turns out, Brogdon didn’t fit and Kolek probably hasn’t made that necessary jump. So now the catch-22 is do we trust the process with Kolek, or move him and find a decent vet PG? If we’re going with the vet PG, I wouldn’t mind giving Fultz a shot. Maybe Monte Morris, but I don’t think he’s healthy. Otherwise maybe we should trust the process with our young and extremely raw players like Kolek, Diawara, and Dadiet. But I’m also greedy and want to keep Evbuomwan. DAMMIT WHY DOES THE END OF THE BENCH HAVE TO BE SO STRESSFUL?? LOL
I was lukewarm on Westbrook before we got Clarkson but I don’t see why we’d want both. Hart does most of the stuff Westbrook still does reasonably well without thinking he’s entitled to ~8 infuriating shots per game. It’s probably irrelevant anyway, as Russ wasn’t coming here to soak up some leftover minutes.
Payne was eminently cromulent for us last season and I’d hardly say it’s impossible Clarkson is a downgrade in the aggregate. I think the front office was just looking for a different skillset, though. Payne racked up 8.1 drives per-36 minutes while Clarkson was at 16.6. Payne got to the line 1.8 times per-36 while Clarkson was at 5.4.
These are areas we were really wanting for last season, and I do think it makes sense to tradeoff Payne’s superior shooting for them (with the caveat that the tradeoff being positive does rely on good and increased shooting from others).
Kolek is still a Rorschach test to me. My test says he isn’t particularly tall or quick, but hasn’t been a train wreck on defense, of late at least. He also hasn’t been destroyed by defenses when in at point (e.g., he can bring the ball up and get into sets, and even penetrate at times), and seems to have the decent court vision he was touted as having. Perhaps playing with guys who can actually make baskets will help a lot, at least in terms of piling up assists. The thing he needs to do is start making threes. If he can do that, he’s a perfectly cromulent backup against other backups, at least. If not, well…
Tosan is on a 2-way so we can keep him without making any moves. So are McCullar and Jemison.
clarkson is very much an upgrade over cam yabu will round into form no pun intended lets remember how well kolek performed for us when jalen was out towards the end of last season that should count for something
I actually want Clarkson to do less playmaking. Just create some shots for yourself, keep turnovers low, soak up some usage when Brunson isn’t in the game. Ideally you want to see him with a TS+ no lower than 95, TOV% under 10, and an assisted basket rate in the 20’s.
Yabu is here mostly for spacing and low-usage/high-efficiency scoring. He’s a slow fat guy so he needs to use his IQ to disrupt some passing lanes, get some screen assists, make the occasional nice pass, and contribute in other little ways like that. At his best he’s a scrappy and competitive dude who can contribute despite his chonkosity. He’s sort of like the inverse of Precious, who is an Adonis with very little feel for the game.
Kind of disagree, JK. The Clarkson I saw last game was kind of perfect, in that he took his shots but seemed to be really looking to pass first. That’s probably partly just me (I’m fond of the passing thing), but I liked that version of Clarkson and threw no shoes at the screen.
Meanwhile playoff Vildoza has been arrested in the night in my city for attacking a nurse
Crazy day
Clarkson‘s reputation as an inveterate chucker is probably exaggerated. I think his AST rate will be in the high teens or low 20s, possibly higher. It’s important that he keeps his turnovers down because he is not efficient to begin with so that somewhat makes up for it. Turnovers are possession killers, and he had several dumb ones in the last preseason game, hopefully those were more about it being preseason.
Thanks! I forgot they are on 2 way deals. So then are we trusting the process, or like Melo said, do we need a NemBhard?
It isn’t a hot take to say they are going to be worse defensively. I’ve been making that case for quite awhile now. I suspect our defense is going to suck when Mitch isn’t on the court. If it’s OK, then Brown is a defensive guru.
Maybe Dennis Smith Jr will be available soon.
I was never a DSJ fan, but at least he plays defense.
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What if instead of signing either Shamet or Mathews the Knicks stay at 12 players for the first 14 days of the season and then sign two 1st year players, Diawara and I guess, Nnaji. That way when buy out season happens they could waive one of them and have enough to sign 2 vet minimums.
I could see both Middleton and McCollum getting bought out, also Nurkic and Niang, plus probably a couple we can’t predict. There are always some very good players bought out post trade deadline and we have the 4th best championship odds so we are an attractive landing place for any of them.
We could also wait 14 days and then sign Shamet/Mathews and Diawara but then whoever we wanted for our 15th spot would have to be willing to wait until the end of February to sign.
The other option would be to trade Dadiet, then wait 14 days and sign all three of Shamet, Mathews, and Diawara. That would allow us to sign up to three players post deadline if we then cut Shamet and Mathews, or two and keep one of them.
Buyout market’s not a thing for us under the new CBA. We can only sign guys who make less than the non-tax MLE ($14M).
Spencer Dinwiddie was just released by Charlotte.
I thought it was only when you were over the second apron. Is there a limitation for teams over the first apron, as well?
EDITED TO ADD: Ah, you added more info, gotcha. I dunno, I think there are likely plenty of useful dudes making under $14 million who will be bought out.
Would you rather have Dinwiddie than Shamet?
Dinwiddie’s recent numbers are solid enough on a surface level but his defensive metrics paint a picture of someone basically scoring on his own basket, so my guess is we steer clear.
Would you rather have Dinwiddie or Clarkson? They seem more similar. I don’t want either but perhaps its a real question…
I think I’d take Dinwiddie over Clarkson whose defense is also beyond terrible. Of course, that’s not the choice because Clarkson is already on the team. So it’s Clarkson duplicate or a SG that can shoot. Still wouldn’t hate another ball handler.
For what it’s worth, Mikal’s miracle half season took place with Dinwiddie as his backcourt partner.
Precious is known as a defensive player, and he does get some blocks/steals and can play some decent one-on-one defense at times, but he gives a lot of that value back because of his poor defensive awareness. I always found his team defense and help defense to be lacking because he’s always just arriving a split second late.
Yabu may be a bit worse of a net defender, but in general I think Precious’ defensive prowess was overrated. I found myself yelling at him a lot.
Dinwiddlie’s rep as as a toxic locker room guy, while Shamet’s after injury rehab journey in humility tilts the scale firmly in the guy I want to root for.
I’d probably forego this option just because Shamet and Mathews are both very usable and we don’t have a ton of shooting off the bench for an offensive system that featured some deadeye shooters.
I’m willing to bet vets will wait till the end of February to join our team unless things go terribly wrong.
clarkson/dinwiddie/mathews is a great combination dinwiddie makes up for what brogdon would have given us and at 68 percent career/83 percent last season is much more of a pg than shamet ever was or will be (13 percent career/0 percent last season) dinwiddie has also played in 234 regular season games over the past three seasons as compared to brogdons 130 over the same span
I forgot about the whole apron thing with buyouts. There will still be decent players we can sign like Niang or Richards, etc.
In that case probably just one vet and Diawara for now. I’d still wait 14 days to buy us a bit of wiggle room and roster 12 for the first two weeks.
As for Dinweddie vs Shamet/Mathews I’d take Dinweddie but honestly I’m hoping a big man shakes loose because that’s what we really need as our 11th man.
If this whole 12th man thing doesn’t work out for them they can start an investment firm together.
you could say the same thing with almost any three players surnames
You could, except that Clarkson sounds like an investment broker, and Matthews looks like investment broker, and Dinwiddie actually is an investment broker, so there was actually a lot of artistry to my last post that I’m not surprised you missed.
Actually I think Mathews looks like an investment broker five years after getting caught with his hand in the cookie jar, like the guy scuffling in the corner of the yard trying not to get beat up. Or maybe the guy with the shiv everyone else is afraid of.
Otherwise, Donnie, tip o’ the cap for your artistry.
It looks like Dallas is going to release Dennis Smith Jr.
He’s still not a good shooter, but he’s a very good defender and a real PG. He’s a better player than he was when we had him the first time and I believe he did work out for the Knicks not too long ago.
We could do a lot worse than having a very good defender at the PG position on our bench given the defensive abilities of Brunson, Clarkson and Kolek. Even if he’s not a rotation player, he can come in for defensive purposes on certain possessions and in late game situations.
(insert GIF w/ Minion saying “whaaat?”)
With all of these scrubs getting released and not really having many options, again, I don’t know what the rush is.
I tried very hard to like Spencer Dinwiddie and his game because I thought his name was just altogether too excellent, but I could never do it.
Although I think he’s a better choice than DSJ. Good lord, hard no there.
But as Z-Man says, if we’re picking through the scrap heap, maybe it’s worth waiting until all the garbage gets dumped first.
my take on Brogdon is that he is washed and probably not as motivated as he could be, and was probably quietly told he wasn’t going to make the team — and so they created this self-retirement story to save face and let him go out telling the story the way he wanted to tell it.
I’d be fine with DSJ but am thinking I’d rather have Garrison Matthews (Garry Bird, that nickname is so funny) with that last spot. We can see how Kolek/Clarkson/Mikal do in the backup PG role. There will always be a backup PG somewhere that we can pick up before the trade deadline or buyout market.
mikal was never going to be in the backup pg role deuce maybe but not mikal who has played barely above 0 percent of his 18514 regular season nba minutes at the position
Will he be out of jail in time for the playoffs?
One of the problems with arguing over who’s going to be the backup this or that these days is it leaves hyper-literal, in-the-box people confused. Mikal was bringing the ball up a lot two preseason games ago. Does that make him a point guard? The hell do I know, it’s a classic point guard job, with Jalen playing off the ball (SG?).
Our tiny pea brains need classification systems to help us make sense of the world (genus, species), but the real world doesn’t really work that way.
Sometimes a donkey is just a donkey — Mitch is a center, full stop. Kolek is probably only a point guard. Everyone else, it depends on their role that day, or that play.
that was a preseason games where all the roles are kind of all over the place doubtful that mikal brings the ball up much during the regular season i might be surprised who knows right now much more likely to be deuce than mikal as deuce has played 54 percent of his career regular season minutes at pg although admittedly not as much lately it was mostly in his rookie year
One of the big problems last year was that everyone figured out that they should full-court-press Brunson, who then had to take 14 seconds to get up the court and into a set play, leaving little time to actually do anything. Plus it was exhausting just to watch, and likely even more exhausting to do, for Brunson.
Brown wants to speed things up. One of the easiest ways to do that is inbound the ball to guys who can get over the line quickly and without much in the way of planned impediment, even if it’s just to hand the ball back to Brunson at the top of the key.
It’s actually a lot more exhausting to run that it is to walk. It also helps prevent player injuries and allows for starters to play more minutes.
I get what Brown wants to do, it’s both merited and needed to some extent but we also have to be very careful what we wish for. Both things can hold true.
i do definitely think that mikal will have different responsibilities on defense he wont be guarding the opposing teams pg nearly as much hopefully never
It seems wise to give Kolek an extended run as backup PG to start the year and see if he can cut it. There will be plenty of options if he can’t. What you don’t want to do is not play him for three months, then find out he can’t cut it in February when someone gets hurt and all the options have been signed.
Actually not bad reasoning, Hubie, although I’m pretty sure it won’t happen. But I do hope that Kolek gets more than the occasional two-minute drill at the end of blowouts, for just the reasons you describe. Eight to ten minutes a game might be useful for everyone.
Well this isn’t ideal:
Saw Trae and the Hawks couldn’t get a deal done. I wouldn’t want to give him a huge deal.
One thing about Thibs was that even though the starters played a lot of minutes, the practices were more like training than scrimmages and overall the Knicks did well injury wise. I suspect Brown is having more competitive scrimmages. I hope the players hold up.
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/46618905/pistons-guard-jaden-ivey-miss-four-weeks-knee-surgery
I wonder if these “injuries” to starters are at least in part a way to gracefully keep them out of a game where they would be playing against kids who are desperate for a roster spot, As we know from the Jaime Jaquez Affair, eager and desperate young players can do dumb (if unintentional) “hustle” things that result in guys getting hurt. There’s nothing really to gain from playing starters against Charlotte.
Play the kids and let the regular season begin!