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According to the last article linked above the Knicks are considering trading McBride so they can roster two more veterans.
is that generally considered to be a reliable source that story seems to come out of nowhere regardless i hope its not true
More dumb clickbait. Why would one trade a real rotation player with a 4M salary for the next 2 seasons for a 14 & 15th man on your roster.
I took another look at the roster and it depressed me lol.
The roster is really good, but I realized there are more players I want the team to keep than there is room. Like, alot as far as guys who can be cut or traded. I counted Kolek, Brogdon, Shamet, Dadiet, Diawara,
Evbuomwan, and Nnaji. Not to mention that Dink Pate was waived. I understand that it’s a good problem to have, but I’m greedy. We need to develop that back of the roster for the time when our more established players move on or get injured. That said- I’m proud of the job Leon and crew have done since Rose was hired. It’s gonna be such a fun season if we stay relatively healthy
Mcbride is probably the most productive player we have on a per dollar basis. That would be crazy.
It would be crazy, but presumably he has a lot of value because of his contract and we’d get something real back.
bad idea all round lets not post it into existence
Yeah I would hate to trade McBride and I’m guessing that article is mostly click bait.
That being said, he is one of our most valuable trade pieces because his contract is so good. Just to throw it out there…a package with McBride and Hart/Mitch could potentially bring back a very good player.
But if it’s just for end of the bench/fringe rotation pieces it would be beyond stupid.
Hope Leon is not petty. Deuce bad mouthed Thibs after season and did it again reecntly. On the fringe, decisions become more about non basketball personal relationships. Plus both Brogdon and Clarkson are better 12-20 min bench players than Deuce is.
Bondy was saying the other day Knicks might look to trade Deuce because his contract expires after next season and if they can’t sign him to an extension they might try to get something back for him instead of just letting him leave as a free agent.
That makes more sense. It would hurt to lose Deuce, though, because he is legit maybe our best defender on the team outside of Mitch and OG.
yeah the only way i could swallow losing deuce would be to get back a defensive big who is at least cromulent from 3 probably doesnt exist
No one objects to trading McBride (or ANYONE else for that matter) for excellent value. But Brogdon and Shamet at this stages in their careers are bit/niche players. You don’t trade very cheap value rotation players for two end of the bench players. Just stupid.
If Jokic becomes available…. bye bye Brunson with a smile.
If pigs had wings and Robert Williams III’s knee could hold up, he would be a great target.
Deuce is a nice player on a nice contract but he is looking like the 7th or 8th man with a couple vets already on hand in Brogdon and Clarkson to backfill backcourt bench minutes. Deuce also took a step back last year across all categories wrt shooting efficiency, dropping from .572 efg to .511 (coincidentally also his career mark) and 2023-24 looks like an outlier. he has also been uneven in the playoffs and had a tough series against Indiana in back to back years where his size seemed to be exploitable.
the Knicks are in their title competition window. if there is some delta between Deuce’s value to the Knicks and his ‘true value’ around the league that can be applied to this year’s roster in an impactful way, it seems like that would make him a prime candidate to be on the move. having a nice value contract in your middle bench or the kind of player Deuce might be in 2028 doesn’t really matter as much when the East is this open and for somewhat fluky reasons.
“the Knicks are in their title competition window.”
Makes me wonder, if Knickerblogger was around in the early 1970s, if they’d be having the same conversation about Henry Bibby or Dick Barnett…
There’s no way Malcolm Brogdon and Jordan Clarkson make this guy dispensable:
https://www.tiktok.com/@espn_australia_nz/video/7507090230403484935
it’s a hell of a play for sure, but across the entire series the guy shot 36.4% from 2pt and 31.3% from 3pt while Indiana’s guards ran wild on us
I still think Clarkson is cooked and Brogdon is a massive injury risk.
i agree with half of that brogdon definitely cannot be counted on to be on the floor but i think clarkson could still be pleasantly surprising for us
Reasonable assessment but I agree with EB on Brogdon and Clarkson.
Deuce is surprisingly hard to trade. You could get a good pick for him, but we don’t need that. You can package him with Hart or Mitch, but we really don’t have the depth to pull off a 2-for-1. And in a straight up trade he probably doesn’t have enough value to yield someone good at his salary bc that guy is likely on a rookie contract (I can’t imagine Deuce can yield Walker Kessler or Jeremy Sochan, for instance).
Thing is, this is basically impossible because of Deuce’s contract. Even if we could get solid draft equity for him (which seems plausible), that would hardly be guaranteed to help us this year. We’d have to hope we could trade whatever we get before the deadline for a player better than 2025-2026 Deuce McBride, which of course would require us to send out existing salary. It just doesn’t make much sense unless you really think Shamet/Clarkson/Blobdon make Deuce wholly superfluous, which I do not.
I think the only issue with Deuce is that he’s been playing on a contract that’s very team friendly and he’s probably going to want to get paid next time. If I am correct, I can’t blame him. It’s not like he’s rolling in dough and can afford to give us a discount. I thought I-Hart might and he probably would have, but OKC blew us out of the water by so much he almost had no choice but to lock in that high level lifetime security.
I think we need to figure out what Deuce might be able to get as a free agent, take a look at the cap rules (over my head) and then decide how paying him would impact the team long term.
I hate the thought of losing Deuce, but there might be scenarios where it makes sense if we got back a player and pick we could use later in a much BIGGER trade at the deadline (that I think may be inevitable unless Brown figures out all our issues).
I like Brogdon and agree he’s a huge injury risk.
IMO, Clarkson is a very good value signing that theoretically fits our need for more bench scoring, but he’s the one player on the roster I’d like to swap out.
IMO he’s one of those overrated scorers that doesn’t defend and will make quite a few plays that will have us shaking our heads. He’s also less of a PG than Payne.
I wasn’t a fan of the Payne signing either, mostly because I thought we needed someone that was more of a PG off the bench last year (and probably did), but he grew on me. Some lineups were very good with him on the court. So maybe when I see Clarkson play every night with this team, I’ll change my view. I was just never a fan despite the accolades.
We’ll have full Bird Rights on Deuce in the summer of 2027 and he’s signed for two more full seasons. This just isn’t an urgent priority at all, and definitely doesn’t outweigh his immediate contributions. I think all discussions of trading him can be chalked up to Slow News Day.
One thing we never do here is kick “trade a fan favorite for flotsam” to the curb…
for defensive purposes, we need a player to match with KAT up front, we may be losing mitch too…
seems we need either a strong defensive center or power forward to pair with KAT…
cost for that could be: deuce, josh and mitch…
Wow, we traded Deuce and lost Mitch? What a shitty Friday.
But honestly geo, why would you trade a strong defensive center and our two important bench pieces for, you know, a strong defensive center or power forward? Unless you think we can get the Greek Freak for those three, but he’s not going anywhere, even if Milwaukee would trade a generational talent for three rotation players with various holes in their games…
Trading deuce or Mitch on their current dealswould be about as stupid of a move as any GM has made in the last 30 years. Unless it’s to get someone like Giannis.
Cam Payne and Delon Wright are still out there unsigned, right?
I mean, in theory if Brogdon or Clarkson doesn’t work out, we could try to grab one of these guys later, right?
who is blobdon?
a lot of discussion based on something that was largely agreed to be clickbait earlier in the day
For good or for bad, – Leon tenure record indicates that no media reporter knows what Leon is about to do before he does it. He just signed 100 roster players in one day and everyone was suprised.
Mitch has been reportedly traded/shopped/interest etc at least 50 times in last 5 yrs. Yet he’s our starting center. Randle was sent packing in the middle of the night on eve of training camp. Even Brunson had no idea about the Josh Hart trade. iHart, OG and Mikal blided everyone too. Leon is a silent assasin with his phone always on mute.
Only thing we can be sure off is that he will incinerate draft picks. I call Bull Shit on everything else.
because I’m bored…
blided by the light revved up like a deuce another runner in the night
Geo, you crack me up. Thanks and I hope you are doing good! My biggest issue is whether Mitch and Kat could start together. It’s hard for me to warm up about 11 and 12 players on the roster. As to Mitch and Kat, I love the way their skills are complementary, even as to rebounding. One is great offensively, one defensively. Mitch gets you extra opps, Kat clears the glass. That’s a great combo and opps are huge-very underrated. Getting an extra 3 point attempt is gold. If the two are operational together (why not?), the real question boils down to whether Hart or Mikal starts. I am not a Mikal fan. I respect his skills, but do not like his game, which I think is weak. However, I also do not think he would embrace the bench nor excel in that role. He is too passive. I would start Mikal and bring Hart off the bench, reluctantly. Starting a dude that is too passive sounds dumb at first blush. Nevertheless, I would also hard counsel Mikal to be much more aggressive on offense-his defense is fine and sometimes excellent. He needs to draw more fouls, more contact, hard stop. If he can’t he needs to be moved-his skills are above average but the rest of the package isn’t. Hart is different and he could easily run the second unit with Deuce and some other pretty good complementary players. Just my take.
Let’s see… Everyone knew he was going after Brunson, OG, Bridges, and Towns. Everyone knew he was going to draft Obi Toppin. Everyone knew he was shopping Grimes. Everyone knew he wanted to bring Alec Burks back. Everyone knew he was going to trade out of the lottery in 2022.
Yeah he’s a real ninja.
lol, Hubs. You’re lying through your fucking teeth if you say you were shocked when the OG, Mikal and Towns trades happened. Give me a fucking break.
No one saw the towns trade coming and everyone said no way the raptors or nets would trade with us.
howdy wayloncash, life is good brother 🙂
met my new va primary care physician today – thank god him and my therapist are both younger than myself – all my other physicians keep retiring…
too funny, really feeling like the stereotypical old person with doc appointments all the time…just trying to keep the wheels from falling off…
getting ready to go watch youngest son in his “y” basketball league final tonight…he plays point guard for the team – and oh is he a score first PG…
shooters gotta shoot i guess…
so much fun watching him (11) and his older brother (14) compete in sports…they got a bunch of love and support in their lives so when they’re out there competing they just shine with joy…
it was cool, him and his brother took on some grown folks (who looked and acted like brothers themselves) at the park the other weekend and won a few games against them while talking smack the whole time…
it was kind of hilarious, folks don’t expect the ball to go in consistently from some kid shooting…the guys they were playing were cool and good sports thankfully…
at least once a week i’ll make sure to remind one of the boys that pretty much no one else in my or their mom’s family has ever had it as good as they do in terms of resources and family support…
having two active caring parents, that’s like winning the freaking lottery…
how you doing this fine friday wayloncash? if it’s okay to ask – where in the wide world are you spending the evening?
I played hoop on Wednesday at the Glens Falls YMCA. I am 69 years old. Keep being a parent dude. Peace out. My son did two tours Iraq.
it’s been a long while since I’ve visited that part of the state (lake george)…most folks whom think of new york couldn’t imagine just how beautiful, rural and green that part of the state is…
good for you for staying active like that…ha, I’m still working on my “handle”, which has progressed from god awful to just simply terrible…
rightfully so, you must have intense pride for his service…can’t imagine the parental worry that goes along with having a child deployed…
I was blessed, spent maybe a total of 2 weeks in the woods, out of like almost 15 years of school and service…
my new VA doc is a younger vet, he was deployed to a combat zone…made me think that although it’s a small percentage of folks whom serve in the armed services – it’s an even smaller percentage that are involved in combat…something like 7 or 8 service members to support every 2 or 3 folks actually involved in a combat zone…
when it comes to service compensation there should be a distinction for the very few whom serve in a combat situation:
full medical coverage and tax exempt status for life 😊
Facts. – Leon had that Towns trade on ice for months while he was trying to find a longe term solution at center first… – then last minute he went to plan B, – included DDV and closed.
Not one local beat reporter from neither Minnesota or NY, NBA analyst, TV/Radio personality, league insider, national, traditional or new media got the inside scoop…
That so cool Geo…being a Dad is the best thing in life. Keep on doing what you’re doing…and talk about it.