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You can but you’ll get inconsistent and IMO worthless answers. For example, ess-dog asked it a question without copy+paste:
I asked it the same question and got a completely different answer (one that might have stroked my ego if it didn’t seem steeped in logical inconsistencies):
I highlighted that one section because to give me credit for doubting the long-term viability of Leon’s strategy seems weird even to me, since it currently looks pretty good. My doubts are largely about a future that hasn’t come to pass yet when the bill comes due for all this waste and leverage.
Also it came back with the answer in less than one second, which would indicate to me that it didn’t thoroughly read 5 years worth of threads because when I give it something dense to read like a prospectus it takes a while. (Of course it could be that it only took a second because it’s been asked before and saved the data, I’m not an AI expert.)
Also I get the feeling it knows I am Hubert (even thought I’ve never identified myself) and just said that because it’s me. Kinda like how whenever you ask it a question it says “that’s a really good question and shows just how smart you are for asking.”
But then I wonder, wait, does it do that for everyone, or has it studied me and determined that I need that validation whenever I ask a question?
I also wonder if, along those same lines, the reason it talks so much shit about Z-Man is because it knows I’m Hubert. Which, if so, great work; because that’s exactly the kind of ultra-precise targeted content I like to read. But if Z-Man asked the questions, would he get completely different responses talking about how emotionally reactive and easily triggered I am to make him enjoy the response more? I don’t know.
Ptmilo can you please shed some light on how your child functions?
AI is notoriously prone to sucking up to the user, so you are likely on to something there. There’s a twitter function where you can click the Grok button on someone’s profile for a quick summary of their account, and it was different in tone for me when I asked in a way that indicated it was my own account.
Btw I cosign Bob’s Sabonis love from yesterday and do agree that KAT for Sabonis would have some resemblance to Bellamy for Dave D.
I’d want more than $11M in savings as the return from a trade, though, if only to leverage the fact that KAT has a much better reputation even if he doesn’t have a better profile.
But I think JJJ is vastly overrated (and overpaid). I never saw Dave D play but I know what is profile his and JJJ strikes me as the complete opposite.
And Jalen Johnson. Sigh.
Someone in the AD department wrote an album for this new flick I’m working on in 2hrs. It was funny but horrendous. The song about me was titled “Socks Don’t Make Birkenstocks Closed Toed Shoes.” They do in fact do that otherwise why wear them with Birkenstocks.
I’d trade KAT for Sabonis 6 days of the week. Just not on Sundays.
Lol the second we traded for Sabonis people would want him out the door. Same way they want KAT gone now and Randle before him.
I want KAT gone more than I wanted Randle gone.
I like Julius a whole bunch. KAT is a more valuable NBA asset and the trade was a good trade but I struggle more with KAT being so good and so bad.
Ptmilo can you please shed some light on how your child functions?
it’s highly plausible for an llm to show this kind of bias, even without being explicitly told who the user is. although the popular conception of these transformers is just something like ‘massive association calculations to blindly predict the next token,’ those learned parameters are modified by supervised fine tuning and especially human-imposed reinforcement learning. you can mostly think of this as telling the model’s learned parameters “this and not that” such that it departs from its raw associations in ways that are at root teleological (because people are ultimately deciding aspects of what is a good answer and what is a bad answer as opposed to just the best association within the data).
and as everyone has realized most of the popular models have heavily used these modifying layers to interpose what you might call deference and courtesy but what in practice feels like transparently unctuous schmaltz. these are more insidious than mere instructions because they are tied up and latent in the model itself. your own prompting tendency can somewhat reduce or exacerbate these biases, because although you’re not changing the model itself, the context you provide can sort of jump it to a different part of its conditional distribution and change the likelihood of various answers, including an even greater propensity for sycophancy. the model can definitely learn you are hubert without telling it, but rather than explicitly learning it in the sense were are used to it is representing it associatively as a sort of way of changing its prior and thus its jumping off point into its soup of altered associations.
Exactly. It’s not fair to Zman that he’s neck deep in Easter island when the bots from “Batteries Not Included” come to Visit
And you’d want Sabonis gone more than either of them.
This is fair. KAT is kind of feast or famine but IMO, I think the hand/finger injury last season was something that hurt his offense more than he let on. There was a clear decline in his production after that finger injury.
To be clear I didn’t want Randle gone. And I might want Sabonis gone. That may be but I want to see him going through at least a season or two of eyewear fashion. That temple is immense.
To be clear, I didn’t want to play the trade game because while Sabonis is an interesting comparison to DD, KAT is not Walt, the 1970s Knicks are not the 2025 Knicks, and 1970s NBA is not 2025 NBA.
I did appreciate discovering how good Sabonis actually is (on paper, I’ve hardly watched him play and only remember the bone-breaking picks he sets). Whether he’d actually be a good fit in NY now is, I suppose, an interesting question. He couldn’t hit the three to save his life until three years ago, was in the .370s for two years and jumped to .417 last year. I guess if that’s real, then why not.
Also hadn’t realized he’d led the league in rebounding three years in a row, including the last two years in Drebounding. Trade Mitch, too!
One of the best synonyms for ass kissing I’ve read! ( I believe I am slowly stalling my cognitive decline by taking the time to decode and comprehend PTM’s posts)
Is there a analytical model to replace KAT with Sabonis and find an answer?
More importantly where Rapamycin was discovered in the soil and David Sabatini was able to isolate its effect on mTOR.
I see no point to a trade for Sabonis. That’s like saying, “this size 10 shoe doesn’t fit so let me buy this other size 10 shoe”.
He’s a very good player, but he’s not what we need.
We have enough offensive firepower to be a top 3 offense.
What we lack is enough defense to cover for the Brunson/Towns combo and we could probably use better rebounding and spacing.
Hart as a starter helps with the rebouding issue most nights, but hurts the spacing.
Deuce as a starter improves the spacing and POA defense, but will probably cause rebounding issues some nights.
Mitch as a starter helps cover the paint, defensive issues and rebounding, but hurts the spacing even more than Hart.
The “ideal” is to find a player that mitigates some of these issues better than the players we have now or to trade one of the players with a significant weakness. That’s easier said than done because it’s hard to even identify who that player might be, let alone who we can trade him for.
Heard good things about Metformin…
The simple way I look at it is Brown is the coach. If there is a trade for Sabonis, Brown blessed it. If not, Brown wants KAT or the FO can’t find a Sabonis trade that makes sense. Happy to live with all 3 scenarios.
If there was, front offices would be superfluous. 🙂
The Sacto front office has a say in this. But in the unlikely event this happens, it is a good assumption Brown blessed it.
I agree on the finger.
Part of what Brown has to do is change the offense so Towns doesn’t become irrelevant some nights. We don’t want Brunson dribbling around all night creating for himself. There has to be more ball and player movement that keeps everyone involved and allows us to take advantage of mismatches and defensive errors. We have a lot of weapons.
I also think Towns gets more blame than he deserves on the defensive end. If Brunson is on the court, you sort of need a Mitch/I-Hart type defender behind him, but you can’t get that and also get KAT’s offense and spacing in one player. I’m not even sure that player exists (maybe peak KP defensively with peak KP offensively would work but that player never existed due to injuries slowing him down and taking away athleticism).
That is not exactly true, Strat. The differences in salary (~11M/yr) enables the Knicks to shoehorn a player like DDV (we signed him to a 4 year 10.9M contract) in addition to Sabonis.
I loved and still love the KAT trade as a pure value play, but his weakness are manifest. His Curry like range is fabulous, but his lack of awareness on defense and his inability to make teams pay for guarding him with a wing are fundamentally serious and seemingly insoluble problems for a team with championship aspirations. I look at Sabonis ( who I believe has a more well rounded game), more amenable to team play and a better BBIQ. Add the additional salary relief and I would do it.
Similarly, I would consider a player like Jalen Johnson. He is 23 and already gives 19/10 and 5 assists and should improve, maybe greatly. He is a vastly better defender who is switchable and makes 30M?yr for the next 5 years. That’s an average of 27M a year less than KAT and you can either get a quite good player or multiple players in that salary.
Also, KAT will likely be looking for a raise over his 61M 27/8 salary for 28/9 and 29/30 when Johnson will still be getting 30M in those 2 out years. Finances matter.
There will likely be a day within 10 years where Metformin is given out like statins.
So who comes back with Sabonis that fits that description and why would Sacramento give him to us on top of Sabonis for KAT?
We have to take back similar salary.
Why does Clarence even have a favorite LeCroix flavor when Spindrift is right there?
^ Thought that just popped into my head at Trader Joe’s.
I don’t have any idea if Sacto would move Sabonis but if they would, there are things like 3,4 and 5 way trades. Other GMs seem capable of doing these things all the time.
On a different front, Strat, do you ever go to the Meadowlands for the trotters? The $1,000,000 Hambletonian Trot is this Saturday afternoon and I will be visiting my old stomping grounds for the first time in 8 years. Then off to Wind Creek Casino for some poker Sunday.
Swifty, I think some of the trade chatter is just fans killing time — not necessarily a real push to move on from KAT.
[Btw this is what I orginally wrote before I asked ChatGPTmiloJunior to make it sound less like me: “Swifty, can’t you tell the difference between bored people making up trades that will never happen and people who actually want KAT gone?”
Welcome to the AI Hubert Era.]
I was an avid harness fan back in the late 70s and early 80s. I went to Yonkers or Roosevelt almost every weekened and sometimes did doubleheaders from AQU/BEL to harness. 😉 Eventually I settled on thorougbred. I don’t follow harness anymore. I haven’t been to the Meadowlands in a long time, but I did go to Monmouth for the Haskell. I’ll be at Saratoga for the Whitney Saturday.
Best of luck this weekend.
I don’t get the love for Sabonis. He’s definitely a better playmaker than KAT but I don’t think he’s a better defender and he shoots way fewer 3s which makes him a difficult fit next to Mitch. At best, I think it’s a lateral move and probably makes us worse.
I think “all the time” is a pretty big exaggeration. Most teams operate over the cap every season and, right now, I think Brooklyn is the only team with enough cap space to absorb the extra $12M needed to make the trade work. But even that doesn’t take into account Cam Thomas.
Thanks Hubert. That was awesome and mostly spot on. Appreciate you sharing.
I never saw deBusschere play but I was always under the impression that he was a big “stats don’t tell the whole story” guy. And his box score stats on bbref certainly don’t matchup with the kind of reputation he has. Wouldn’t a modern equivalent be someone like Draymond or Herb Jones.
God help me if we give it to him.
I think Leon and WWW are going to take a good look at this team under Brown until around the trade deadline and if they (and more importantly Dolan) aren’t happy there’s going to be a HUGE move. Thibs took the blame this time. Now Dolan is on the hook for Thibs and Brown. If the team is still underperforming, Leon and WWW are next in the pecking order to go unless there are serious injuries. All they can do is say, “we misjudged the fit between X and Y and are going to make a big trade”. The most likely trade is Towns because of the fit with Brunson on defense. If Brown figures it all out and they win 55 or 60 games, then maybe we don’t have to worry about KAT’s salary. We might make the finals with this team.
ChatGPT gives the replacement level answer.
I don’t disagree with this prediction per say but is our regular season record by the trade deadline really a good indication of anything? Doesn’t the only thing that matter at this point is playoff performance and getting to the finals?
Brown and this team could wrack up more regular season wins only to flame out in the 2nd round. So not sure they will really have any idea if the coach and team is “better” than last year’s team.
All true, but I think if the team is playing poorly under Brown (like only .500 or slightly above .500/ in 4th or 5th place) there will be some pressure to make a move.
I don’t see that happening unless there’s a major injury to Brunson or multiple injuries to our starters. The team is too good to play 500 ball, especially with Indiana and Boston both potentially having down seasons.
I can’t imagine us not being better this year. But “better” isn’t the standard.
Like if the Fed dropped interest rates to 0 tomorrow, you wouldn’t judge the move favorably if the economy got better. It’s got to get mega juiced.
The game was played differently then but the two stats that tell the story about De Busschere were 6 time FIRST team all defense and 8 time all star.
He was remarkably consistent and had zero weakness in any phase of his game.
He was a fucking rock defensively. His match ups with Gus Johnson were legendary for 2 guys just hammering each other for 40 minutes.
One of his most impactful games was in Game 5 of the 1970 finals series where he didn’t score much after Willis went out, but he was the primary defender against Wilt and held him to 22 (with an assist from Dave Stallworth).
He was also an effective jump shooter from 18-20 feet (as were all the Knick starters then).
His BBIQ was so high he was named Head Coach of the Detroit Pistons for 3 years starting at age 24.
Just for shits and giggles, he moonlighted as a pitcher for the Chicago White Sox and pitched to a 2.90 ERA over 106 innings.
He is probably most like Draymond (without the bullshit) with a better shot. Amazingly his last season was one of his best statistically. He could have easily played at a high level for 3 or more years.
The modern equivalent of acquiring DeBusschere would be us trading KAT for Isaiah Hartenstein
bbref similarity scores for debusschere are tobias harris thaddeus young derrick mckey antonio davis maurice lucas danilo gallinari armen gilliam eddie johnson michael cage tom sanders
bbref similarity scores for bellamy are moses malone hakeem olajuwon patrick ewing pau gasol dan issel dwight howard rudy gobert bob lanier zelmo beaty wes unseld
bbref similarity scores for sabonis are joel embiid brad daugherty jarrett allen marc gasol larry foust clint capela karl-anthony towns pau gasol al horford mel daniels
bbref similarity scores for towns are willis reed robert parish larry foust bob lanier pau gasol dave cowens brad daugherty deandre jordan zelmo beaty joel embiid
For all those who are frustrated with KAT, just bear in mind tgat Brooklyn fans would like to trade for him.
great, so HAL is gonna jerk us off prior to jettisoning us out of the air lock…that’s just great…
now, if you really wanna get to know yourself, read Linda Goodman’s Love Signs…think it was like a two volume set back in the day…I wore those books out…
wut
Which only goes to show you the validity of Similarity Scores. Maurice Lucas is the only player on that list that is anyway similar to DD as far as being an upper echelon player.
If you really, really want to know yourself, there’s shrooms and ayahuasca
i dont want to know myself or aaron rodgers that well
As an alternative, you could always look into the mirror and be honest with yourself. 🙂
I don’t want to know myself that badly
https://x.com/NBA_NewYork/status/1950619605682291099
After seeing this, i want to keep him. Can we keep him as a 2-way?
Indiana and Boston got worse, but just about every other team has more youthful upside, made a trade for a need that made them better, added a lottery player or had a lot of injuries last year that held them back. So we can be better (a full season of healthy Mitch alone makes us better), but on a relative basis lose some ground overall.
I think we are going to lose a couple of games that Thibs would have won just by going deeper into the bench, giving tired or marginally hurt players a game off and not playing every game like it’s a game 7. Over the long haul that will help us, but it could cost us a couple of games during the regular season.
I’m less optimistic on the regular season than most, but I consider Mitch the wildcard. If he’s healthy and 100% imo he could add quite a few wins.
As the seas dwindle. So does the old men.
We do this every year, lol. Cleveland had perfect health all season until the playoffs.
We made trades for needs too and upgraded our bench, potentially in a big way. We also will potentially have a full season of health Mitch.
I also think we’re prepared to go deeper on our bench that we were last year and I also think there are games we lost in the regular season because Thibs overplayed the starters. I think that works both ways.
Also, we came into camp a completely different team last year. This team is coming back with tons of experience, including a deep playoff run, plus added depth to the team. And motivated to take the next step.
I wouldn’t be suprised if we won more regular season games – I’m expecting 54 to 56 wins this season.
i already wanted to keep beauchamp:
starters: brunson (34) bridges (30) anunoby (32) towns (34) robinson (24)
dynamic bench: hart (22) mcbride (18) yabusele (16) clarkson (12) hukporti (10) wright (8)
the rest: mccullar kolek beauchamp diawara
pg: brunson 34, wright 8, mcbride 6
sg: bridges 24, mcbride 12, clarkson 12
sf: anunoby 32, hart 10, bridges 6
pf: towns 20, yabusele 16, hart 12
c: robinson 24, towns 14, hukporti 10
have two of anunoby robinson mcbride on the floor at all times except for of course blowout minutes thats where mccullar kolek beauchamp diawara come into play
Whatever extra wins Thibs squeezed with his minutes trick should be more than offset if Brown is successful in unlocking the offense. Combine that with the deterioration of competition (we shouldn’t go 0-8 against BOS & CLE again), and it’s hard not to see a rise to at least 55 wins, with 60 realistically in play.
AI is completely right about what people want…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aa10yl8mirk&t=70s
🧠 Mike Brown’s Coaching Style & Rotation Tendencies
⚖️ Deeper Rotations & Balanced Minutes
Brown tends to prefer using a 9 to 10-man rotation, particularly in the playoffs, to avoid overusing veteran starters and reduce fatigue risk. He explicitly stated that he would not rely on an eight-man rotation and typically prefers deeper involvement of reserves
In Sacramento, he worked early to cap minutes of stars (Fox, Sabonis, DeRozan)—aiming for about 34–36 MPG—not letting them carry the full load every game
⏱️ Structured Trading of Load
Brown has shifted toward distributing minutes more evenly following early-season experiments where certain players logged 40+ minutes. He adjusts quickly to correct overuse patterns and settle on a stable rotation of core players
🔄 Flexibility Within Roles
While he values structure, he’s known for tinkering early in a season to figure out best lineups. That then transitions into a stable 9–10 player core once roles are defined
Consensus: he can be inconsistent with bench minutes initially, but eventually finds a formula. They describe how lineups would shift nightly until Brown settles on a rotation
🎯 How Your Rotation Fits Brown’s Blueprint
Your plan:
Keeps two of Anunoby, Robinson, McBride on the court as constant elements,
Features a deeper bench with contributions from Clarkson, Hart, Yabusele,
Limits blowout minutes to rookies (McCullar, Kolek, Beauchamp, Diawara),
Avoids overplaying any single player.
This dovetails with Brown’s stated goal of spreading minutes beyond a typical eight-man core—favoring distributed workload while maintaining competitive lineups.
He’d likely value consistency in having two of your three rim/wing pieces always on floor (Anunoby + one of Robinson/McBride),
Likely integrate Hart, Clarkson, Yabusele into bench units to hit his 9–10 rotation target,
Manage minutes to allow flexibility without overburning stars like Brunson, Bridges, Towns.
🗣️ Fan Insights & Caveats:
Brown tends to tinker early before settling,
Bench roles may fluctuate heavily before stabilizing,
He sometimes sticks rigidly to his rotations, even when hot or cold streaks warrant adjustment
So while your rotation is structurally sound, expect some initial experimentation before the rotation locks in.
✅ Final Take
Yes — Mike Brown is very likely to implement a rotation similar to what you’ve outlined:
Maintaining two of Anunoby, Robinson, McBride on the floor,
Utilizing a 9–10 man rotation with bench contributors Hart, Clarkson, Yabusele,
Avoiding overuse of a strict 7–8 man core,
And preserving low-leverage minutes for younger roster players.
petco park is getting packed, oh yeah…
live closer to dodgers’ and angels’ stadium, just much better air and vibes at petco…
go mets…
For what its worth the Hoops collective podcast just did an episode going over all of the over/under win totals in the East, all 3 said Knicks will go over their 53 1/2 win total on ESPN bet.
Thanks, cyber. I did not know that about MarJon. That he has two capitals in his first name, and that he’s from La Jolla, around which I’ve strangely spent a significant amount of time. Just an extraordinarily beautiful part of the world, especially if you’re down for indentured servitude, evictions, and subservient assimilation.
I vote for him on a two-way.
funny you say that about time raven…used to come down here to the san diego convention area for a week each summer to help out with this book and company swag store the place i worked at hosted…
I’ve lived here for like two and a half months all together 😊
shoot i got about a year each in both Florida and Oklahoma doing stuff…
I’ve seen many minute type posts over last couple of weeks that mostly cap Mitch at 24 minutes.
He’s 100% healthy and in a contract year. It’s a really big deal for this specific roster maximization that he plays a normal high level starting center type minutes. Somewhere between 30 and 34 is ideal.
Gobert averaged 33 last year. Bam played 34. Lopez averaged 31. Why are we limiting Mitch to 24 right of the gate?
Mitch has never averaged more than 28 or so minutes a game and they probably want to play Karl at C some too
because of his injury history lopez has played 237 regular season games over the past three seasons adebayo has played 224 gobert has played 218 mitch has played 107 he has also averaged 24.1 minutes per game over his entire career
Geo, I may have mentioned this before, but get your ass down to La Jolla Cove. Giant breeding colonies of brown pelicans and cormorants and sea lions and huge pile of slug-like harbor seals. One of the better sea life views on the planet, and a lovely 30-minute park stroll, too.
bubble boy mitch…wishing for at least 60 regular season games and healthy for the playoffs…
read a piece that said it’s either mikal or mitch, can’t be both…and it would mostly likely be mikal and at some point mitch will be traded…
thanks raven 😊
Sony is no balogna.
Out in cape cod today watching an osprey hunting through the fog. La Jolla sounds dope.
My California office is on Prospect Street in LaJolla, a 2 minute walk from the cove. I love that little stroll. It can stink to high heaven at the wrong time of day, though.
In addition to the wildlife there are really good collections of Dr Seuss’ weird shit there.
I think better comps for Mitch right now are Alex Caruso and Jonathan Isaac, i.e. second unit defensive destroyers who wreck shit for 20 mpg.
@hubert
that’s a really good question and shows just how smart you are for asking.
Because Mitch has played 59, 31, and 17 games the past 3 seasons.
Man, those rotations. SMH. Wright isn’t even on the team. But Dadiet is. I have more faith in him getting minutes than Wright.
ok i substituted dadiet in for wright deuce is going to have to play more pg in this case
starters: brunson (34) bridges (30) anunoby (32) towns (34) robinson (24)
dynamic bench: mcbride (20) hart (18) yabusele (16) clarkson (12) hukporti (12) dadiet (8)
the rest: mccullar kolek beauchamp diawara
pg: brunson 34, mcbride 14
sg: bridges 24, clarkson 12, mcbride 6, dadiet 6
sf: anunoby 32, hart 8, bridges 6, dadiet 2
pf: towns 22, yabusele 16, hart 10
c: robinson 24, towns 12, hukporti 12
have two of anunoby robinson mcbride on the floor at all times except for of course blowout minutes thats where mccullar kolek beauchamp diawara come into play
I’m going to admit I’ve entirely ignored your list of minutes and such over the last few weeks because I have a life, but if you think Hart is going to play 18 minutes a game you need to go back to square one.
not sure who you want to take minutes away from if hart plays more ive already got yabu at only 16 and clarkson at only 12 we have “too many” good players and not enough minutes to go around its a great problem to have and good insurance against injuries
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