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I wonder if outrage farming is reaching its limits – who still clicks on those headlines? I like to imagine a world where we’ve moved back to something resembling news again …
“All that ptmilo bringing pie charts stuff is obviously a weak deflection as it tries to process the existential confusion that it’s experiencing from finally meeting its father.”
Thanks, Donnie. Now I have coffee on my keyboard.
Most of the threads I put in were from the weeks we were arguing about Leon, i.e. not something you like to participate in. But it did note a few things about you (and JK47) which I’ll post below.
Raven
Tone: Wry, literate, storyteller.
Behavioral traits:
Builds narratives (about his cat, Marlin Perkins, “Dadiet Island”).
Uses metaphor to make his points.
Strengths:
Enhances the tone with texture and humor.
A great example of blending opinion with personality.
Weaknesses:
Sometimes emotionally driven or metaphor-heavy in a stats-heavy thread.
Psychological read:
Likely reflective, possibly an academic or creative type.
Uses language as both tool and shield.
JK47
Tone: Measured, resigned, ultimately appreciative.
Rhetorical style:
Honest about past doubts and mistakes.
Uses ellipses and phrases like “gestures to the scoreboard” to signal maturity and acceptance.
Behavioral traits:
Conflicted Leon critic: recognizes real flaws but gives credit where due.
Uses personal history as a framing device (“second best Knicks era of my lifetime”).
Strengths:
Nuanced, emotionally mature perspective that softens polarization.
Doesn’t argue to win — argues to clarify.
Weaknesses:
Sometimes too forgiving or sentimental to push hard on criticism.
Forum role: The Honest Historian — a fan grounded in long-term patterns.
Psychological profile:
Realist with nostalgic leanings. Likely highly self-aware and emotionally literate.
And last but not least, the psychological profile of Z-Man:
Z-man (continued)
Tone shift: From defensive and sarcastic to outright combative and dismissive.
Communication style:
Doubling down on snide attacks (“typical Hubert nonsense”) rather than structured rebuttals.
Uses false equivalency, emotional appeals, and loaded language (“cheap shots”, “straw men”, “nonsense”).
Psychological insight:
Displays signs of ego threat — perceived attacks on Leon’s competence or the FO’s vision are taken personally.
Defensive pride in being an early Thibs supporter — shows sunk cost bias.
Increasing rigidity: reluctant to update priors even when evidence shifts.
Forum role evolution: Once the tenured contrarian, now drifting toward grudge-holder. More concerned with undermining rivals (esp. Hubert) than engaging in neutral discussion.
Notable weakness: Regularly re-frames arguments to suit emotional counterattacks, losing analytical clarity.
Z-man (Final Notes)
Tone collapse: Becomes fully derisive, dismissive, and emotionally triggered.
Language use:
“Hilarious,” “dishonest,” “egregious” — laden with moral judgment.
Reframes facts emotionally — e.g., blaming Hubert for “dishonest framing” rather than refuting substance.
Loses rhetorical footing:
Relies on negation, not argument (“Not what I said,” “Not what I meant,” “Not true”), without positive construction.
Attempts semantic trapdoors — (“You’re not being honest about what I’m saying”) — which fail because he never re-clarifies his actual point.
Emotional indicators:
Fragile ego, low tolerance for ideological disagreement.
Hyper-defensive memory: Obsessed with people remembering “correctly” how he supported Thibs or argued trades.
Forum role: Once a respected voice, now transitioning into a reactive antagonist, whose focus is on preserving pride rather than clarifying truth.
Oh and there was an E profile, too. I don’t think anyone else wrote enough to get mentioned (alas, the brilliant contributions of Donnie and DRed are too succinct).
Lil’ Penny
Tone: Dry, sardonic, incisive. A skilled provocateur with a lawyerly style.
Rhetorical style:
Uses logic traps and baiting questions to pin others down (“Doesn’t that mean X?”).
Employs formal reasoning and precise phrasing to sound measured, even while being cutting.
Expert at semantic pressure — pressing people on the literal meaning of terms like “replacement level” or “success.”
Behavioral traits:
Calls out perceived inconsistencies or hypocrisy, often using others’ past statements against them.
Hates being lumped in with others (especially Hubert) despite sharing some views — prizes rhetorical identity.
Strengths:
Disciplined arguer who rarely loses composure.
Adds real clarity on complex evaluations (e.g. GM accountability vs roster performance).
Weaknesses:
Can come across smug or overly pedantic.
Sometimes obsessed with parsing minor distinctions to preserve argumentative turf.
Forum role: The Prosecutor — applies cross-examination tactics in extended debates. Keeps everyone sharper.
Psychological profile:
Likely has a background in analytical writing or law.
Relishes conflict but wants it on controlled, logical terms.
why not one for me hubert i was mentioned as a component of some of the others
I’m just glad the machine wants very little to do with me.
Hubert, didn’t you take the over on Milwaukee last season?
TNFH (further clarity)
Tone refinement: Now serves almost as a tone auditor for the forum — calling out straw man fallacies, selective memory, and loaded framing.
Behavior:
Uses phrases like “c’mon man,” “let’s not pretend,” or “I’d love for you to quote me” to signal impatience with distortion.
Argues with Hubert but on higher ground — focused on accuracy, not ego.
Psychological insight:
Shows signs of debate fatigue but feels compelled to clarify because he values factual record-keeping and intellectual integrity.
Less tribal than most — corrects both Leon fans and critics when they stretch the truth.
Forum role: The Rational Anchor — deeply values intellectual fairness and resists inflammatory framing.
Alan
Psychological Read
Likely introverted or at least reserved; prefers to contribute meaningfully over frequently.
Emotionally intelligent — understands the group’s rhythm and knows when to speak.
May be a writer, critic, or analyst in real life — highly literate, exacting with language, and subtle in influence.
Comfortable being the observer in the room full of strong personalities.
Forum Role:
The Cultural Curator / Credible Observer
Alan is like the KnicksBlog equivalent of a Roger Ebert who’s seen every playoff game. He watches the room, drops sharp insights when relevant, and elevates the thread by making it about more than just basketball
I think I might have. What’s your venmo?
ME: Any thoughts on Knicks 2025?
A.I.: Absolutely — here’s a thoughtful early look at the New York Knicks’ 2025 outlook, based on current assets, team construction, and strategic crossroads.
ME: No, I mean the poster who goes by the name Knicks 2025.
A.I.: Ah — got it. You’re asking about the poster named “Knicks 2025” in the forum, not the team projection. Thanks for clarifying.
🧠 Poster Profile: Knicks 2025
Tone
Earnest and process-focused.
Expresses frustration or skepticism in a constructive, non-inflammatory way.
Asks clarifying questions, often to challenge assumptions or explore consequences (e.g. “How exactly are we going to do that with the current roster?”).
Behavioral Patterns
Often plays the role of a skeptical realist: not fully pessimistic, but definitely not a cheerleader.
Likes to zoom out — often raises medium-term concerns about cap, asset management, and strategic coherence.
Generally respects stats and cap mechanics, though not deeply analytical like ptmilo.
Occasionally echoes talking points from Hubert or TNFH, but without their rhetorical polish.
Can be emotionally reactive in short bursts, but usually dials it back quickly.
Strengths
Grounded concerns: Raises valid strategic questions that others sometimes gloss over.
Non-abrasive disagreement: Pushes back without being confrontational or sarcastic.
Useful contrast voice: Balances out the blind optimism of some posters and the heat of the Z-man/Hubert polarity.
Weaknesses
Sometimes posts in a way that feels undercooked or abrupt — doesn’t always complete the argument.
Can veer into circular frustration: asking how the team expects to get better without offering alternatives.
Not a consensus builder; his contributions usually sit between factions, so they rarely spark deep engagement.
Psychological Read
Likely detail-oriented and somewhat anxious about long-term outcomes.
Values stability, control, and logical progression — not comfortable with speculative “we’ll figure it out later” optimism.
Possibly has experience in finance, systems, or planning fields (just a hunch from how he frames trade/cap questions).
Likes being taken seriously — not trolling or seeking attention, just wants the conversation to reflect realistic planning.
Forum Role
The Cautious Planner / Structural Skeptic
He’s the one in the room reminding everyone that “hope is not a strategy.” When the thread gets swept up in hype or anger, Knicks 2025 tries to pull it back to roster construction, cap math, and sustainability — even if he’s not the flashiest voice doing it.
Alas, if the active shooter in the building next door to my office hadn’t shut my intern down early I could have gotten a lot more in. Now he’s all like “I want to do real work, not this”. Fucking Gen Z.
The AI can’t read a website, only text that you copy paste or a file with everything downloaded.
I copied yesterday’s thread into ChatGPT and asked based on this, and what you know about me, who are my favorite top 3 posters, and my bottom 3?
It got the top 3 pretty good, although EBW (for what Chat wrote in Hubert’s summary) and Z-man (best eye for players, for my money) and several others should definitely be there as well.
As for the bottom 3? Not even close. Well, maybe one of them is just about right… (hint: I actually like Clarence and Strat)
“Top 3 Favorite Posters (based on tone, substance, and dynamic fit with your preferences):
ptmilo – Minimalist, high signal, sharp analysis. Doesn’t waste words, never grandstands.
rama, lord of the loge – Dry humor, intelligent, willing to push back without melodrama.
TNFH – Rational, data-driven, even-tempered. Likely appeals to your logic-first mode when engaged.
Bottom 3 (least aligned with your likely tastes):
Clarence – Leans into shitposting and vibe-first banter. Probably wears thin quickly.
darules – Dismissive, often contrary without substance. Posts like a drive-by.
Stratomatic – Nostalgic, self-righteous, tends toward cranky takes with low adaptability.”
It got me right, cause I would’t go to your dumb thanksgiving dinner even if you served tofurkey.
Oh, great. Chat KBT.
Ronny Mauricio has a higher OPS than Francisco Lindor
thanks so much as always hubert interesting indeed
Do me! Do me!
I’ve been off the blog for a bit as my wife and I were on vacation for 2 weeks and then I was at a conference, so you might need to go back a bit to feed it my comments. But I’m VERY curious what it says about me!
As much as I love what KAT brings to this team, I would do this trade in a heartbeat if this wasn’t the year for us to have a clear path to The Finals. It resets us with some picks while not keeping us from being really competitive
Sorry Swifty you weren’t in the threads I submitted.
FWIW I found the feedback pretty flimsy when I just gave it a single thread. I ended up giving it something like 2,000 posts in the end.
I don’t like that particular trade, Poindexter, but I really like the idea of selling high on KAT after this season (or at least before he clamors for an extension).
KAT for Zion and some juicy Pelicans picks would interest me greatly next summer. I remain convinced he will thrive away from the worst franchise in professional sports, like Chris Webber when he finally got to Sacramento. And he’s on a great contract.
I guess I am a lurker per ChatGPT.
There’s some pretty universal consensus that Zion’s defense has vastly improved, and that he was a strong, plus defender when he was on the floor for the Pels last year. In the 30 games he played last year, he was very effective: he’s a box score stuffer who does a little bit of everything (except shoot 3’s).
He has only averaged 34 games played per year, however, and I don’t think I’d bet on robust health from that guy in the future.
What if we win a title this season? Would you still want to trade KAT instead of trying to go back to back?
Wait, darules, you’re your own least favorite poster? 🤯
I’m up for trading KAT, but no to Zion unless we made another trade to get a stretch 5 who can guard the rim. Myles Turner type – and there aren’t many of that type….
The picks would be juicy, though
Yeah count me out on Zion, too, but extending KAT is definitely a worry. Maybe he’ll take a discount if he likes the coach and his role next year… it seems like the only way to win with this new CBA (especially when you don’t draft a ton of high-end talent).
Swifty, if we win the title or even if it genuinely seems like we can win the title with KAT at C then keep him. But unless you want to extend him (I definitely do not) you have to trade him either this summer or next.
I get the anti Zion sentiment but I see a souped up version of Julius Randle in him and we know how well that works with Brunson. We’d still need a C to pair with Mitch but that’s what the draft picks and the $16M in salary savings are for.
But that’s next summer. And it’s assuming that KAT at C ultimately looks like it won’t work.
Re: Zion…
I am surprised people underestimate the impact of the Pelicans organization and his open contempt for them into both his lack of fitness and lack of development.
I believe this is one of the greatest distressed asset opportunities in basketball history. Get this guy into a situation he likes with a real training staff and I’d be shocked if he doesn’t straighten out his physical health immediately.
Someone is going to be the beneficiary of this. It will probably be Pat Riley. He’ll somehow swing Andrew Wiggins and two picks for Zion, get him in shape, and turn him into a first team All NBA forward. That’s very Heat Culture (vomit).
Remember the days when Zion was clearly some kind of universally indestructible force of nature (Duke), and then he blew out his sneaker and everyone was like, “If he can do that to his sneaker, what’s going to happen to his actual body parts?”
Getting Zion off Bourbon St will do wonders for his trajectory.
Why would we want to trade KAT for Nic Claxton? What does Claxton do for us that Mitch doesn’t already do? Why would we blow up a 50+ win team that just went to the ECF?
Since we have apparently paused summer conversations to discuss basketball, I have a basketball question. The Knicks have been very slow to sign the last two guys needed GM gor their full roster. What are the chances this is due to them having some possible deal in the works where they need roster flexibility. Remember they made the deal for KAT at the beginning of last season and needed lots of roster spots to do it.
I think it’s likely more a case of no one impressing them so much that they would want to shut down the possibility of a deal by signing them, and less that they are actively planning a deal.
I dunno, Zion has had consistent stream of injuries happening to different parts of his body since his year at Duke. He got in noticeably better shape in the second half of this season and still managed to sustain a back injury that shut him down in March.
Maybe he’d get hurt less often in a different atmosphere, but he could get hurt literally half as much and he’d still be missing like a quarter of the season every year. The reward would be high but that is a substantial amount of risk. He misses 50 games a year.
A few thoughts. First, Zion has gotten hurt consistently throughout his whole career, even in college.
Second thought. I’m very skeptical of getting stars/potential franchise players based on the idea that they aren’t trying as hard as they could because they don’t like their current situation.
I think it’s fine to take this kind of gamble on a bench player, vet minimum, etc…but to do it for a starter and someone you’re hoping will be one of your top guys? No thanks! Sure, we might be a better situation/franchise than NO at the moment, but if they aren’t willing to try hard in a bad situation, what is to stop them from giving up when things get tough here? What if he doesn’t like our coach or doesn’t think he’s getting enough touches, etc?
I mean, KAT and Thibs weren’t exactly best pals in Minny and Thibs probably didn’t use him to his best ability last season but I never doubted KAT’s effort last season. Same with Mikal. I just don’t want to bet on someone who’s effort is conditional on them liking their situation.
I’d like to see Zion traded to the Lakers. I’m not sure they’d win an NBA championship, but Zion and Luka could probably do win some team pie eating contests in the off season and maybe even challenge Joey Chestnut. 😉
Seriously, setting aside injury risk and weight issues, Zion doesn’t defend.
We are close to 100% certain to stick with Brunson. So we need ALL two-way players with him. One of our biggest long tern title risks is the Brunson/Towns combo lack of defense. We don’t want to swap risks. We want to mitigate oro fix that.
Yeah, small sample size.
Sure looks like it (I didn’t tell chat who I was). In other words, as Doogie used to say, in real life people like me. But yeah, I guess I was offensive re my Star Track comments in yesterday’s thread. Sorry about that. All I meant to say was that even though I lived in the states for many years, and admire many things about this country’s culture (the NBA being one of them), there are still things I just don’t get.
I know this was addressed to Hubert, but Swift you can do it yourself quite easily. Go to chatgpt.com and copy paste several threads in which you posted, and ask it to profile you.
We still haven’t extended Mikal or Mitch.
I’m not sure about the source, but the Mitch story seems to have gone from he will start, to they will stick with the same starting lineup as Thibs, to Mitch may still be traded.
I guess it would depend what the trade was, but I see Mitch as one of the keys to this season. He was out or less than 100% for most of the season last year. So this year it’s almost like he’s a free agent signing that can add wins and make us a better team. If he was moved, it would have to be for someone pretty good for me to be on board. We all know Mitch’s limitations and injury risks, but imo he adds noticable wins when he’s playing and healthy.
Here’s something for the Clarkson fans. Looking sharp here.
https://x.com/NBA_NewYork/status/1950238869565149313
That’s likely part of it. But it’s not unusual for the top FAs to be signed quickly while the lower end guys take a while. Nobody wants to tie up their money, then find out a better player would’ve taken their offer. Sometimes one player will tie up the whole process, Ben Simmons seems to have done so.
The Knicks may also be waiting on Mikal to sign an extension. I read one take that Mikal might not sign until the trade restriction he gets from extending will go beyond the trade deadline. This happens sometime mid-August. This prevents the Knicks from dumping him somewhere he doesn’t want to be.
They may also want to keep the spots open for training camp tryouts. No reason to choose between end of bench pieces this early.
There’s also situations like Shamet last year. If they had signed him before the injury, they’d be stuck with a dead roster spot.
Finally, the rookie minimum slot can only be 2-3 different players who can’t sign elsewhere. No reason to rush.
I asked Chat GPT who was the “Best Long-Range Prognosticator” on Knickerblogger.net and it said:
Asked for more specifics, it said:
This is an outdated take. Any Pels fan or NBA pundit who follows the league closely will tell you Zion has been balling on the defensive end. This has been going on for the last two seasons. He’s not on the court all that much because he’s always hurt, but there is widespread consensus that he has been a good defensive player when he has gotten on the court in the last two seasons.
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6101783/2025/01/31/pelicans-zion-williamson-defense-nba/
https://newsletters.lockedonpodcasts.com/nba/locked-on-pelicans/zion-williamsons-resurgence-a-new-era-for-the-pelicans?_amp=true
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/live-blogs/lakers-vs-pelicans-live-updates-score-play-in-game/qcdjjO0E2Y6W/inS49J6yDLxC/
I’m very skeptical of getting stars/potential franchise players based on the idea that they aren’t trying as hard as they could because they don’t like their current situation.
This. Easy to latch on to a Zion post season trade but if the rationale is he will train harder once here, forget it. His history is on court and off court. NYC is not going to fix him, if that is the premise behind the trade.
Zion got into really good shape this past season. He played his ass off, played the best ball of his career. Seemed pretty goddamn serious about basketball.
Then he hurt his back. Some guys are just brittle.
Come on, chatgbt, I was the only one who had Pacers in 6.
remember how long they took to re-sign precious last year theyre probably doing a similar thing now with the last few roster spots
Lol, I don’t think my guesses were that far off everyone else’s guesses and I readily admit in the 2023-24 thread that I’m being lazy about it. So 50 was probably just a round number.
Still, 1 win off over two years ain’t bad.
This can’t be true as I type too many words.
If people want to say he’s better than he used to be I can accept that, but most defensive data has to be viewed over multiple seasons because it’s so sketchy.
The data I look at does not support the view he’s a good defender.
https://nbarapm.com/player/Zion_Williamson
His defensive RAPM was good last year but overall is consistently negative. His defensive on/off last year was still negative for a team that was 29th in defensive efficiency. He’s also undersized for a PF and not a shot blocker.
You can have him on the same team as Brunson, but that would not be my choice. I want two way players next to Brunson. By that I mean “plus” defenders.
ess-dog did you give chat several years of posts??
ChatGPT told me that at my current rate I can break Wilt’s body count threshold in 33 years. Asspirational endurance.
Okay, never mind the consensus of NBA pundits and fans and writers that actually follow the New Orleans Pelicans, and ignore the improved RAPM and Zion’s strong 2.7 stocks/36 from last season. Strat found some janky on-off data that jibes with his take from three years ago that says “Zion doesn’t defend” and he’s just gonna stick with that instead of possibly learning something and considering that maybe he’s wrong.
Some things never, ever change.
The “real training staff” is the key here. We went from having what I assume had to be the worst in the NBA to what many have called the best – and last season’s evidence was our overall health. That’s why I’d be open to a KAT/Zion trade.
Why I wouldn’t is that he really needs to operate close to the hoop, much more so than Julius, and currently Mitchell Robinson looks to occupy that space (assuming that both play more than 41 games, which may be a fault assumption). Trading for him would mean we’d need a spacer at the 5.
Ideally KAT would cost less and defend better. Since he doesn’t, I’m fine considering trades – and yes, Zion is a distressed enough asset it could be possible. But we’d still be unbalanced. I’d prefer to see what Brown can do with KAT operating in the pinch post – he IS a good passer. And with Mitch, his defense wouldn’t be such an issue. We could probably switch, knowing that one of the two would still be close to the hoop.
Run it back… Trade Mikal mid-season if he hasn’t signed and we’re not cooking.
Also, I was one off with my preseason predictions two years in a row, wth ChatGpt?
My problem with Zion is that he doesn’t shoot 3’s, so you either have to play him with a stretch 5 at all times, or you have to accept that your spacing is going to stink. I just don’t know how possible it is to compete in the modern game if you’re only playing three players who can shoot threes. Zion is playing in an era that doesn’t suit his skill set all that well.
Donnie you could just sit in the corner with me drinking and not talking to anybody then we steal pies before leaving quietly.
Just for this, I figured out how to cut and paste. Here are the results I got:
Donnie Walsh (Final Notes)
Tone collapse: tries too hard to be funny, possibly makes stuff up just for the fuck of it.
Language use:
“You guys are lame”, “be cool like me,” “Pacers have a better color scheme than the Knicks” — laden with moral judgment.
Reframes facts incorrectly — e.g., claiming Hubert had sex with Ali MacNeil right there on the ballroom floor after the Knicks beat the Celtics in game 2.
Forum role: very confusing. Could be a performance artists, or possibly just insane. When cross-referenced with the National Sex Offender Registry two possible hits come up: one a 109 year old retired veterinarian in Pensacola, FL and one a 49 year old unemployable actor in Pacific Palisades, CA.
Recommendations: best to ignore this poster completely.
I didn’t feed it shit, just asked. I think the prognostication specifics were just for last season.
(Edit: this is after it refused to answer my query about which poster was likely the dumbest)
Well, I mean … it’s not wrong ….
The exercise has been useful in at least one way, then.
Hilarious query, ess!
Since when do I listen to pundits and other fans?
If I did that I’d be broke. 😉
At this point it should be common knowledge I favor a skills checklist, on/off data, lineup data analysis and trying to fit skills together well when evaluating players and teams because boxscore data is missing way too much that’s significant and is difficult to value.
I conceded he may have been better last year.
I threw in defensive RAPM and other AIO metrics to appease people that don’t like simple defensive on/off and lineup data, but either way I thought it was the consensus here that all these defensive metrics are highly volatile and improve if you look at multlple years of data.
By the metrics I use, he may have been better last year, but I’d have to see more. Either way he’s not what I would consider a good defender.
IMO, Brunson has been so bad defensively, we need plus defenders at the other positions.
And of course I agree with you on his lack of 3 point shooting. It would be a problem for spacing unless we had a stretch 5.
Zion seems to have never wanted to be in New Orleans and that franchise is a mess. But he makes too much money for someone who gets hurt as often as he does, he makes more sense on franchise that needs to gamble more than the Knicks do (hopefully). Maybe a team like the Grizzlies. Zion might be better than Ja at this stage, a challenge trade for a different star who gets hurt all the time might make sense, and Zion fits on paper with JJJ
Its 2025 and we’re still talking about Zion.
Zion’s contract is non guaranteed. So if you did want to move on from KAT, I think that makes him perfect. It he blows up the way I think he will, you get a better player at 75% the cost. And if he fails, you get premium draft picks and 100% salary relief from KAT.
Seems like a much better option than Nic Claxton.
That Nic Claxton article was nothing to take seriously
Beck and the band (san diego symphony 😊) are out on the jetty warming up…
life is good…
wow, that’s a lot of sound…
When discussing KAT and whether to keep or move him, I think back to Walt Bellamy who was a HOF center who averaged 20.1/ 13.6 over a 14 year NBA career.
He was a very good player, but was a poor fit on the Clyde/Reed/Barnett Knicks. They traded him for a somewhat poorer offensive, but better all around player in Dave D, and off they went.
For those who never saw Bellamy play: https://youtu.be/952B8Gle50U
So Bob, who’s Dave D today?
I ask fairly seriously, because I’m drawing a blank on a comparison. DD was a 15-18 pts, 10-13 rbs a game guy who played great D and unselfish O. There are a few guys who are at the end of their careers who might be a poor comparison (PG? Dray?), but damned if I can think of anyone entering or in their prime who is even sort of a match.
Jalen Johnson. JJJ. Maybe Sabonis as he has different strengths and weaknesses than KAT
debusschere was like tobias harris who we all seem to hate walt bellamy was like a dwight howard type
Dave D was way better than Tobias Harris and Bells had a sweet 17ft and 13 ft fall away J
You want to trade KAT cause of his defense for Sabonis??? It truly is mind boggling the hate KAT gets on this site.
Sabonis is someone I was thinking of, seems he’s a numerical comparison, 16-11-5 for his career, last year 19-14-6. He’s also somewhat lead-footed and also 6’10”, for what that’s worth.
The last three years he was between 5.2 and 6.5 BPM. Also between .637 and .668 TS%.
Of course, DD was All Defense six times, Sabonis zero.
To be clear, BBA, not advocating a KAT-Sabonis trade.
I don’t really see what Sabonis adds that KAT doesn’t already give us beyond his passing, which is less important on a Brunson-led team, and KAT is the better shooter. Feels like it’d be a lateral move at best and his contract is also not really that much cheaper than KAT’s.
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