The Knicks got the first game of the pair of games that they needed to win to make this beyond just A series, but a series that they would be primed to win, and tonight is the other pair that they need.
Aaron Nesmith is playing, but you have to believe he won’t be at the top of his game. Injury luck going AGAINST the Pacers? Is that even allowed?
So the Knicks need to make a statement here. A 20-point comeback again would be okay, but I’d prefer a beatdown to make the Pacers nervous as hell heading back to the Garden on Friday.
Let’s go, Knicks!
Only 7 more wins to go!
The Dylan tune is “In My Time of Dyin’,” a traditional tune Dylan arranged for his mediocre debut album.
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alonso and young already with a homer each in the first
De La Soul has the music for the moment:
https://youtu.be/radJQyaC5kY?si=52hnWd2X6hnVBYQe
Let’s 2-2!
I ain’t even close to thinking about the offseason, but Stein reported that Chris Paul isn’t expected back in San Antonio, and if he’s willing to take a ~15 minute bench role at age 40 I’d actually love him in the Cam Payne role. I’m sure the Kolek diehards would be upset, but Chris Paul is still a pretty damn good NBA player!
Anyway, back to the present. Delon Delon!
The only thing that makes any sense to me is that he wants to just get a ring before he retires, and the Spurs probably aren’t there. So sure, sign me the fuck up for CP3 as the backup here. He can play five minutes during the regular season, then play 20 in the playoffs.
I’m in for CP3-DeAndre Jordan geriatric revival ala JKidd/Sheed next year!
Interviewing players(og) before a game like this one is dumb
Hey, Silver! Wtf man?
Flatten the Pacers……..
At least one of Alan’s questions will have a definitive answer in a few hours.
Were them conscious decisions or did he just luckily stumble into some kind of solution?
This game will tell us. I strongly hope it’s the former.
LET’S GO KNICKS! 🗽🏀🧡💙🧡🏀🗽
Kill em all!!!!
(Just got myself tickets for Metallica
Huge Fan from the 80s but first time watching them live)
Bob Dylan, and Brian, will take us to the promise land! I believe! 😉
Gooooo Knicks!! 🧡💙
Mediterranean on Fire 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Italy Greece Portugal All Awaken and Pumped Up!
Knicks in six!
Dos-e-Dos with the corner gal….
Where are people listening to the game to avoid the dreaded Reggie/Harlan duo?
Knicks Fan TV? ESPN Radio? Anywhere else? I’ve got TNT on Mute.
Bob Dylan is from Minnesota, he’ll take the Timberwolves in 6.
Did the speaker announce our team? I couldn’t hear it on my stream, only noise from the arena.
European Knicks brotherhood
Good start! Good start!
As for me, a recently naturalized Hoosier, I’d like to say that you stuck up New Yorkers are out of touch. My friends here at Gainbridge loge 58D laugh at my jokes judgement free.
Well that’s a nice start…
Boy these Indiana games start close to on time.
OG’s fainting turnovers are funny… if you aren’t a Knicks fan
Mitch should be covering Siakam not KAT.
13 points allowed in a little over 3 minutes. The double big lineup cannot guard the Pacers.
Open 3s are Open
Sit fucking Bridges’ ass down.
Mikal’s denting the rim with his midrangers, when did the world lose the art of the bank shot? Is it forbidden to use the glass now?
Bridges shooting like he was starting the season. All weird hitches.
Guys, Mikal isn’t the problem here. The Pacers are running circles around the two bigs.
Halliburton was more open than the Maginot line there
Defense hasn’t been great, but we’ve missed a lot of easy shots/made a bunch of dumb TOs.
MITCH
Did we run a play there?
Thank God Barkley didn’t pick the Knicks. 😀
My loge mates didn’t understand your simile, over-educated New Yorker
Good job by KAT to get Thibs to stagger him and Mitch.
Two stupid fouls on KAT.
Wtf Karl
What the hell KAT
Towns is in a fog
Boy, Siakam just owns OG
Pulse stabilizing
Ha, Mikal goes up for a lob and STILL ends up shooting a mid-range.
Brunsoning in progress
Sheppard’s mustache is a bit strange
Indiana already in the bonus. Incredible. Such weak call, too.
How are they in the bonus already
Precious could sink us here
Why Josh, why?
1 foul on Indiana so far.
Edit: 2
This is an insane pace right now.
Will Indiana win the challenge? Is that even a question?
Challenge an +1 is pretty stupid, no?
If they call this back it’s a huge swing – obviously
Didn’t really see it
I think Carlisle wants an offensive
Thank God all world version of Brunson showing up
Sure looked like a foul on Obi to me but Carlisle’s been on point with the challenges all series
JB is SUPERBAD so far!
HUGE lost challenge by Indiana. So stupid though that challenges have become such a strategic part of the game now.
bickerstaff must have phoned that one in
I would have turned off the TV if they reversed this call.
Thank goodness
Oooh Carlisle just Bickerstaffed!!! Turning point??
Oh come on
If Haliburton is gonna play like this just end the series now.
Remember when people said Tyrese would never get his shot off in the NBA?
Bridges’ misses have been ridiculous. At least 2 bunnies, maybe 3
Do these guys ever miss?
Horrible shot for Brunson followed by another Mikal’s stupid shot and the Pacers, like always when we do dumb things, hit two threes… 🤦🏻♂️
They are making silly shots now
They can’t miss. Fuck this.
If this keeps up Knicks gonna need another 20 pt comeback to win this game.
Can’t even make it to the end of the first quarter without making myself a double martini…
Deuce is something. Tough shot
The good people of gainbridge like being on course for a 180 point night.
Two horrible minutes gave them momentum, we can’t win this game trying to outscore them.
Some stupid possessions, but minor miracle they are down just 8. Time for KAT to do his thing now.
Unreal to give up 43 points in the first quarter of a playoff game
We really need to stop with the stupid turnovers.
Giving up 43 points in the first quarter.
Literally running us out of the gym
“Fouls Will Show You What to Do”
Thibs Dream
43 points is a fucking embarrassment and Thibs is doing all the wrong rotations already. Hart is fucking useless and Brunson was out there for too long.
Indy on a 172-pt pace…
There were mistakes, but how many crazy shots went in? It was wild.
Going back to last year’s series, TJ owns Deuce…
We can’t get a single stop
We need to win the Mathurin minutes again.
They throw the ball up and it goes in. What can you do. Keep in the game until the tide shifts, I guess.
Hope that three was KAT waking up
Pacers are a street ball team.
Towns going to give Randle a run for his money tonight
They own us, and they can’t miss and we’re only 7 pts behind !? Doesn’t make sense.
Thank you Myles
Delon’s best comp remains “what if some of the lies people told about Frank Ntilikina were true?”
Hart was caught ball watching there
Shamet got leveled there.
I can’t believe Shamet’s dead.
How many fucking times is Hart gonna get beat off the ball for an easy layup.
There goes your season
mathurin is one of the 5 dumbest players over 21 i’ve seen
Josh Hart’s defense has been non existent all series. Idk why Thibs is sticking with him. He should be situational and not play heavy minutes
Only good thing to come out of Indianapolis is Jeff Teague
That looked like a Flagrant to me. I hope TNT finds a good angle.
I think we’ll be alright without Shamet, Donnie.
Hart balled watched in Game 1 and gave up a Nemhard layup in OT. He is a average defender
Not sure why Thibs sat Deuce there. There was no need for Shamet.
Mathurin so bad he can’t even hip check effectively
Mathurin sucks and plays dirty, he needs to pick a struggle
Refs took another goaltending from the Knicks. It’s incredible.
Took away points in Games 1, 2 and 4.
There is no need for the circular firing squad here. The game is very much up for grabs.
Looked close to me
Delon!! Can play defense but can’t dribble
They need to do something about the goaltending calls
So, he’s OG
OMG, Delon just dribbled like my son used to do when he was five…
The behind the basket angle was pretty clear I thought.
Delon!
Turner is a lot to deal with given he’s allowed to goaltend
2 pt game
Delon tried to pull back a bounce pass in transition and fucked up on steps
Tied… they own us!!!
DELON!!!
We’re Back baby!
This lineup is great.
I fucking love that Stiller and Chalamet are there
And that Thibs is using Good Frank
delon 3 shamet forces a tov our depth paying dividends as usual
Delon 4eva
100%
This defensive lineup is what you should run in the 4th…
Our defensive lineup is playing defense, I like it.
If KAT avoid his third foul before halftime I will give my firstborn son to charity.
Incredible NONONOYES drive by OG!
Same. It’s amazing.
Better when Towns is touching the ball. Brunson needs to get with it.
Delon with the bonus offense!!!
Told y’all he was great.
🧡💙
Wait, I thought Shamet was dead?
I love Delon even if he’s a spastic dribbler…
Thibs with LSD rotations is makin the difference!
Really looks like the answer is keeping Amat and Brunson away from each other.
That and ball pressure.
I feel uncomfortable watching another Knicks run with Brunson on the bench.
Delon brings the temperature of the game down. A much needed beacon of consistency
They should do the old Starks, Ewing inside out with Brunson and Towns.
Now we’re getting stops… nice!
Get Hart out of there. Jesus.
Stop assuming expertise when it comes to anything Thibs says or does.
Listen to him during interviews. All he does is assert things in vague ways as if he’s doing some complex analysis behind the scenes or during the game. He leaves you thinking, “well Thibs clearly knows what he’s doing”, but he never actually says anything meaningful.
I’m convinced at this point he doesn’t know what he’s doing, but he’s a master at making you think he does.
I don’t say that lightly because I’m insulting myself when I say that. I wanted him to be the coach and defended him for close to 4 years. So if I am right now, that means I was an idiot that fell for it for 4 years.
I guess with this lineup you gotta go with the “clear out and let KAT cook” play
Reggie calling out Spike for showing up for the first time all series is FRYING me lolol
Delon is much better than Frank, but Prigioni he is not
This is a long time without Brunson.
I guess Mitch and Brunson come in together.
Delon really living up to the all defense, no offense rep
Now we are in the bound with 5 left. Strange twist
Five starters are in. Fuck
So the formula is KAT + smalls and Jalen + Mitch
Brunson caught the Mikalitis 😛
I enjoy SVG
Fucking missed layups.
Knicks would be up 10 if they could make layups.
Josh Hart has 4 turnovers, all on bad passes.
Edit: and Bridges is sleeping.
Hart passes are driving me mad
KAT is manhandling everyone!
Hart needs to sit. Come on.
Towns look tired there
That’s the third dumb Josh Hart pass I’ve seen
You just have to hope they can survive like five minutes of Brunson-Bridges-Hart-OG-KAT
“Delon is much better than Frank, but Prigioni he is not”
Frank would have been much better if they took him to Lourdes every weekend for a soak. He might have had a chance to get better if he wasn’t always hurt.
I’ve been a Delon Wright fan since his days in Dallas. He has the same profile of players than tend to be underrated. I’m always surprised he wasn’t able to stick anywhere as a bench player. I’ll take him all day over Payne.
Hart gets treated like a star
Please sit Hart.
KAT needs a rest.
that was a shitty pass by josh but co-conspirator is kat failing to fucking roll like he does nearly every time and why it has been so hard for his coaches going back to saunders and finch to get him involved in the flow of the offense like everyone demands
I’m a pretty unabashed Hart supporter but these are some of the dumbest fucking passes I have ever seen
That is how you fucking do it OG
Very solid game for OG so far… and the Pacers have no challenge left.
Good sub. Mitch for KAT.
I would get Towns off the floor
Edit they did
Smart. Bringing Mitch in at 2 minutes.
Beautiful drive by OG
At least OG & Hart can make layups
Hart with 3-4 terrible forced passes inside
Delon playing for 10 teams in 10 seasons sounds brutal
The early failed challenge by the Pacers matters.
holy shit mikal
Mikal shoots a fadeaway with no other Knicks there to go for the rebound !?
Soft shit from Mikal
Brunson was carrying Nesmith on his hip for like 18 feet
Another layup became a missed midranger.
Mikal Bridges is making me crazy.
Mikal and Hart are killing them.
Bridges you piece of shit with that stupid fadeaway when you’re at the basket.
Ah, a Bridges fadeaway that makes me want to stop watching basketball forever. He’s good for a few of those a game.
Mikal is killing us with his rim allergies
Mikal could have gotten his own rebound if he had gone after it.
Would it kill Mikal to at least jump into a defender at the rim? Does he have hollow bones?
I guess they are not going to call fouls on Mitch.
Why are TJ McConnell’s short midrangers so good and Mikal’s so shite
Bad Closing…dammmn
Once KAT sat the Knicks went to shit.
Okay not a great end to the half but could be worse
Bridges is a trailer park wino’s DeRozan.
Bridges and Hart playing awful. Bad end to 2q. We were rolling good
Brunson -13
Robinson -14 (in 12 minutes)
Bridges -10
Hate to say it but I feel like we are better with Brunson off the floor against this team.
Edit: not just me
Brooklyn owes us a pick for every passed up layup for a middie. It’s around 3 this game alone.
Being down 5 after that shit ending is actually good. Could have easily been double digits.
Lousy way to end the half, but after that first Q it’s nice to be close.
After all that, we did win the quarter. Need to tighten it up.
Hart is second in minutes. Ugh.
That looked ugly.
It felt like the game was going to be a runaway.
Knicks executed poorly.
KAT carried them, until he was totally gassed.
Fortunate to only down five at the half.
Brunson is a negative right now. Poor D and poor decision making. He needs to get his act together.
Too many minutes for Hart. He’s been useless for almost all game. Wright or McBride needs his minutes for this game.
Every time Thibs stumbles into a good lineup he fucks it up by putting in a shitty one
All you guys being mean to Bennedict will live to regret it
Thibs fail: Deuce played 7 minutes and seems to have gotten lost in the shuffle
FREE DEUCE
“The game tells you what to do”
Thibs and his subs
You need to be ok as a coach with hurting feelings
I suspect you just have an affinity for all Bennedicts… Mathurin… Arnold…
Hart was awful, there was no reason to give him this many minutes.
“Delon playing for 10 teams in 10 seasons sounds brutal”
Yes, that’s true, but I’d put up with it for $53 million…
Good; Feed the KAT early and often, he’s getting the Embiid whistle tonight and you need to recognize that which Thibs seems to have done.
Bad: Drop coverage and missed assignments, Hart deciding that he wants to try Magic Showtime lakers passes for the first time all season, Bridges forgetting how to shoot (looks like he needs some blue chew after Boston), not running Niemhart (I refuse to learn how to spell his shitty last name) into hard screens every play
We should be up 10 if not for the dogshit turnovers, which is to our benefit since we need to be down to play well
No big holes so far and the game looks winnable
EB – nice one!
Oooh, call the Fire Marshal
Worth noting the new starting lineup has the same plus/minus.
Maybe it’s just Halliburton and plus/minus is dumb
I hate saying things like this, but imo he’s just taking guesses. So even when he has success he doesn’t truly understand why something worked. Without understanding the WHY, you are going to continue making mistakes.
Bennedict [sic] Arnold was tired of the Blue Coat’s star-fuckey, mismanagement of assets, and uninspiring performance on the battlefield field. The Brits had an exciting offense and dynamic showmanship. I totally get him.
I’m used to being frustrated by Mikal’s play, but it’s tough to see Hart so useless. A bad game from him.
Changing ny prediction. Based on what I’ve seen so far this is a clear loss
Sorry guys
Pacers twitter is worried.
Indiana’s defense has enough soft spots for us to score without Brunson, while their offense requires athleticism and good instincts to slow down. I still don’t think we’re better without Brunson but it is kind of a perfect storm for it not to be a series he can own.
and now that is 28 posts since the final post from pag
Brunson with another dumb turnover
Bridges with another dumb turnover
Are they drunk?
Bring back Delon & Deuce!!!
I hope Leon is watching this series closely.
If he is, there’s no way Thibs is back and there isn’t at least one major roster change.
Knicks are very close to getting blown out.
TAKE CARE OF THE BALL
I know we’re not, but it FEELS like we’re overmatched
Getting killed out there
Here’s a good Hole!
Ugly return…wtf are they smoking in the locker room?
Mikal needs to be benched he’s missed an open shooter on nearly every fadeaway he’s taken
The Mikal midrange fadeaway.
Wow, that was like the worst three minutes of basketball I’ve seen. My eyes are burning.
Didn’t even come remotely close to getting a bucket on any of those possessions
7-0 run to start the 3rd for the Pacers, Jalen Brunson is killing us and what did our coach tell to our players at halftime?
They look lethargic and unprepared to restart the game.
Is Brunson throwing this game? I’ve never seen him play this bad. If Thibs had balls he’d bench him.
Brunson /Bridges lineup is killing them
100% chance the same lineup will come back.
Way too slow of a hook for that lineup.
Do the same thing, but harder!
So yeah, the exact opposite of what just happened, do that
What happened? Missed the beginning of the 2nd half and we’re down double digits!? Maybe they’re trying to improve the 20 pt comeback record?
This is one of those times where it just looks like everything we do on offense is low percentage, high degree-of-difficulty kind of shots, while it looks like the Pacers can get any kind of shot they want.
Not looking good
It’s all part of the plan. Get down by 15-20 and then start chipping away. Knicks always do things the hard way.
Knicks haven’t scored since Mikal turned away a layup for a stupid midrange shot in the 2nd quarter.
Bridges used the backboard!
Thibs coaches like George Lucas directs. “Do it again but faster and more intense”
Maybe that KAT dunk will spark us.
Mitch!
Mitch’s keeping us in the game
Mitch looks almost confident at the line??
OG should just dunk everything. Even his three-point shots.
We are playing like we are on hallucinogenic drugs.
Skill is not there at the moment but you gotta like the effort
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Thank god for Mitch
Mitch is beasting
Nesmith is allowed SO much contact on Brunson
It’s ridiculous
Mitch is a great offensive rebounder and an average defensive one.
He does a lot of good defensive things though 😁
Oh good Josh Hart
Nesmith’s “screen navigation” = Roy Hibbert’s “verticality”
21 mins for Josh and just 7 minutes for Deuce is inexcusable.
Fuck. It’s the starters again lol
That should be an easy call for the refs on the challenge
It’s two completely different standards.
Brunson is just getting mauled
I’ve given up on Thibs.
This has been a Buster Keaton performance by the Knicks. It looks like they are on the verge of disaster constantly.
Down 8 with a challenge pending.
Bailed out by the challenge
challenge nets 1.7 points
It’s fucking amazing that they missed that foul
What do you mean? The out of bounds was from Turner’s knee. We would win it one way or the other.
Amazing how every Brunson shot is an epic struggle. Meanwhile, Halliburton just glides effortlessly to an open spot and drains a 2 or 3.
Knicks hanging around but just can’t put together a string of defensive stops.
5th turnover for Josh Hart… and the Pacers scored
Miles Turner can look like McHale if he does not have to keep a pivot foot.
Oh, Josh
Hart sucks so bad today
Cmon Jalen
Hart is killing them almost every possession.
Brunson Deuce Hart Bridges Towns.
Congrats, Thibs, you just discovered the worst defensive lineup possible.
Watching these games is like watching Riley not pull Starks but over and over again.
Hart turnover killed all the momentum.
Turnovers are going to be the reason we lose this game.
Villanova’s playing for the Pacers tonight.
Delon
Delon
I just commented that to someone. Stop sticking with “your guy”
Five turnovers for Hart in 22 minutes. That is unplayable.
Thibs is the worst fucking coach. How can ANYONE see how bad Hart is playing and KEEP him in the game????
TNT needs to find the harpy screaming after every play and put a muzzle on. Jesus fuck
Hart got them some big rebounds in game 3 so he earned his playing time
Then Hart, still in the game, doesn’t close out on defense and now we’re down 9
No KAT/Brunson stagger at all. It’s like he doesn’t learn.
Great defensive play for Brunson… and Deuce threw the ball away on the other end…
Turnovers are killing us
God these fucking turnovers
Well Hart just got a nice rebound so he’s never coming out.
Deuce with a momentum killing turnover.
I hate this team sometimes. They play like morons.
Deuce choosing an obvious turnover over a layup attempt is not what we want
We don’t have enough defenders on the floor
What are the Indiana ass-clowns chanting?
Brunson might be the worst defensive player in the entire NBA.
Y’all are complaining about Brunson but he has 29 points on 16 shots.
Not sure what that was with Brunson and Mathurin
Mathurin threw Brunson to the ground.
Foul on Brunson
Seems legit
Thibs playing Mikal and Josh this many minutes will be the difference between winning and losing tonight. Just inexplicable
Cherry on top for Josh Hart.
Cmon Josh
Deuce has been awful tonight too.
14 turnovers and 20 points allowed off them for the Knicks.
7 turnovers and 9 points allowed for the Pacers.
Story of the game so far.
Foul
Foul
Foul
Foul
Foul
Foul
Foul
Foul
Foul
Foul
Watching this game is what I imagine passing a gallstone feels like.
The game of stupid mistakes.
I mean we’re lucky we’re not down 25. We can’t buy a stop to save our lives.
Every time you think you’ve seen the worst Thibs game ever he shows you he has another level.
Villanova is the main reason Knicks are losing tonight.
Groundhogs day, again and again.
The dude accidentally runs into good lineups and refuses to use them. Fuck this.
Knicks are winning the fourth quarter and winning the game.
Not looking good… too little deficit, we only like to comeback from 20+ pts!! LOL
A completely irrational rotation by Thibs this quarter. We are losing because he’s leaving ineffective lineups in too long and refuses to go to good ones. It should be so fucking simple and easy to see.
Unfuckingbelievable. One more quarter to save the season…but I don’t trust our coach to put us in a position to win. Gonna need a KAT like miracle like last game
I was going to hold off posting to help the cause … but Hart has been playing like a complete JACKASS all night … WTF
4 3PAs in a quarter.
I like Carlisle
Okay, we need another miracle and probably Alan got one of his answers… and not a good one 😁
Everybody who goes in the game stinks except Mitch, and he can only play so many minutes. So I’m not so sure this one is on Thibs.
Wright was guarding TJ really well so of course he has to sit.
Shameeeet
How many defensive assignments does Hart need to miss for him to be taken out of the game?
There’s just no hope because we are never going to get a stop
Game blouses
Not feeling a comeback this time
Josh has directly caused the last 7 pacers points he’s gotta be benched if we have any hope of winning this game.
Well, it was a good season
Its coming awfully close to officially becoming baseball season…
Pacers are gonna score 130-140 points against us in a do or die playoff game
Someone explain to me why Wright is a worst option that Hart at this point?
The stupidity of our coach knows no bounds. It’s ridiculous
Thibs – moron. Josh – mentally challenged tonight.
Love the Shamet iso w Towns in the game
How many times has Josh been backdoored this game?
I love Josh, this is maybe his worst game as a Knick but I’m just sad for him.
I don’t love Bridges at all, so he can go fuck himself.
Two things can both be true:
1. Thibs coached a terrible game
2. It didn’t matter
Nobody is really playing well on either end. Only so many ways you can rearrange the deck chairs.
He’s not, but the coach loves Hart and the fans have no control. Leon needs to get up out his seat or risk losing viewers going forward
Yeah, we have a lot of players playing bad. It’s hard to overcome that.
Josh has to be high or something there’s no other explanation
One thing we definitely need is more Josh Hart
OKC will show the Knicks how to play defense . 0 bad defenders touch the court..
Delon forced that travel
I can’t believe they didn’t whistle something on OG’s board.
We actually finally do get some stops then miss like five bunnies
Wright Shamet Hart OG Towns in the 4Q of the biggest game of the year.
Yeah the two time coach of the year really is a fucking moron.
Mathurin took a hit there. Might be a foul
Lot of fouls
What are these foul calls
We’re playing like shit and the refs aren’t helping
Foul foul foul foul foul foul foul
Plenty of time.
Ah good, I was hoping the refs could absolutely wreck this game.
5 fouls called on us in one possession. Awful reffing.
Bridges’ mandatory lazy pass turnover
The Knicks had a million chances to get back into this and did dumb panicked shit every time.
There’s not really any excuses. We don’t have the horses to beat these guys.
Indy’s sniffing its own farts a bit here.
OG is our best player by default
I feel like Indiana wants to lose this game but we want to lose it more.
This series all goes back to Game 1….
Durant trade incoming, seems forthcoming
It sure would be nice if Bridges woke up and did something positive.
12 pts, we can do this!
*i’m trying to convince myself
not much Bridges could say that would make me want to extend him..
That sequence where the refs gave 4 fouls to the Knicks will go down as one of the worst bullshit calls in a playoffs of horrible calls.
Also Thibs playing the worst lineup in the playoffs to close the game is the epitome of his stupidity.
This game isn’t gonna do much to convert NBA haters
JK; respectfully disagree, we have the horses, we don’t have the jockey.
Is OG wearing roller skates or something
We look really unathletic out there. We get the ball near the bucket and nobody can just flush it for a dunk
OG iso is maybe not the best play
Obi was the most athletic player the Knicks have had in recent time
We’ve missed a ton of And 1 bunnies
8pts… keep grinding!
Am I soft for thinking that could be a flagrant? Looked like more of a shove to the floor than a wrap up to me
Winnable game.
Got a puncher’s chance here.
Getting there
I hate this fucking team lol.
Such a goddamn tease
Come on guys. Get a few stops.
Halliburton – you called time out with Towns guarding me , look of shock lol
Well, they are showing life.
Not sure why Mikal waits to hit clutch threes till
the fourth. Or any three.
Did they just call TO with KAT switched onto Hali?
IND just did the Knicks a big favor with that time out. The Knicks were on fumes.
Siakam hand a handful of OG’s shirt and no call.
Is Vince Mc Mahon the stealth NBA commish?
Siakam grabbed OGs jersey on that rebound
Siakam grabbing OG’s jersey on that loose ball foul called against the Knicks.
Passing up 3s to drive into a charge….
OG hit a pull-up! fuck sake
In the moment I thought Turner shoved KAT
If that’s KAT’s knee, series
Refs are dancing tsifteteli outthere
They whistle whatever they want
Season is really over now if KAT is hurt.
I sure hope Towns didn’t blow out his knee.
Couldn’t survive a night of bonehead plays.
Our wings pass up so many threes to dribble into the defense. Maddening
Thought so. Hell of a challenge
When it becomes a habit, hire Mike d antoni
Well Thibs has stolen Carlisle’s challenge magic
Give KAT credit for toughening it out but he probably shouldn’t be out there right now.
Mikal is no Nesmith
Just not our game
Another backdoor, another foul…
Harts out. Might win now
Shamet over Deuce here lol.
At least we were more competitive in Game 4 than Cleveland was.
I know Deuce has sucked but it’s comical Thibs still refuses to put that lineup in.
Nice shooting Bridges
I’ve watched the game (periodically) with the sound off for the last three quarters because if I have to hear Kevin Harter’s voice for a minute more I will tear the skin off my own face.
When’s the last time Brunson shot?
Of course Obi seals it
Dagger from Toppin, perfect
Just win game 5 and give this another go in game 6
TNT never muted the hyena. Not Reggie Miller, the woman behind him.
Well, let’s try to win game 5 and get back here in Indiana to win another one.
It was our cardinal sin and earned us a well deserved sojourn in hell, It’ll haunt us forever.
And tonight’s game is full of regrets too, we made so many dumb mistakes, both on the floor and on the sidelines, and missed so many chances.
Obi fuck-you three, Jalen what-fuck-toss at the basket.
Just get this series to Game 6 and let the chips fall where they may.
I hate Hali with a passion but 15 assists with 0 turnovers is pretty impressive
Knicks in 7
(Just don’t go down at home please)
Only so many times you can pull out these crazy comebacks. We played poorly today. You’re not going to win a conference finals game playing like that.
This is the first game of this series where one team looked clearly superior to the other.
Well, the Mets won again, but I’d have preferred the Knicks.
Thought we had some momentum but just more of the same mistakes.
Pacers are tough. Have to give them some credit.
Hali played awesome
This team would get smoked by OKC, they’re not serious from the coach to roster ..
Watching this team is more torture than joy. It’s a hard Knicks life.
Matheson has been outstanding.
Sorry to abandon the game thread, guys, my phone exploded from all my new Indiana friends texting me Pacer memes. I’m sure you missed me
This collection of players is far too inconsistent to leave any margin for error this far into the playoffs. Combine that with all the money left on the table by our Peter Principled coach in failing to optimize at all and we get pretty good insight into why this team will never go all the way as currently constructed.
Gotta fire Thibs.
Over 90 games in and they look like they haven’t learned much basketball as a team
Why is towns in the game???
Can’t turn it over that many times.
Can’t win that way
Need to adjust
I smell a Durant trade coming
This game was lost in the 3rd quarter when Thibs stuck too long with Brunson and Hart who had their worst games in the series. Our coach is a liability, has been all season. He never adjusted to the roster or experimented enough to take risks.
I am not overtly impressed with the Pacers. We’ve been in every game, (should’ve won game 1) and the refs have been on their side the whole series. Don’t let the free throw numbers fool you. They’ve missed a ton of calls and I still can’t believe that stretch where they called 4 fouls in a row. I think better coaching and rotations beats them.
Doesn’t matter because neither team is beating OKC.
Fire Thibs
Johnnie Bryant is a finalist for the Suns Job and Chris Quinn. Two guys I would be interested in.
Anyways I’m on the Dan Hurley Train.
I don’t know what the primary takeaways will be, a lot to digest, but on the eye test alone I have a lot of smoke for Mikal. I haven’t even looked at his line, but it probably looks a little better than he played because of the meaningless 3 at the end.
He fucking sucked, and it was part of a larger pattern of him basically never leaving an offensive imprint on the game. There are literally 100+ NBA players who could give us the typical Mikal Bridges offensive game.
The only thing that will get Thibs to budge is foul trouble.
A headache-inducing game.
Double bigs got killed by the Siakam leak out. Everyone got killed by Siakam in general. He can’t miss right now.
Knicks made a bunch of momentum-killing plays. Josh Hart’s turnovers were inexcusable.
Credit to Indy, they came up big when they needed to. Hali was spectacular but his supporting cast was very solid.
I want to blame everything on Game 1 but it’s really Game 2 that was the most discouraging for me.
I’ll be there to cheer the boys on at MSG on Thursday. One game at a time, you never know! Either way, Knicks still playing basketball after Memorial Day is kinda nice.
Agreed.
Well, this one was pretty darn discouraging, too.
Every year I tell myself that when the Knicks finally win a championship before I die it will be worth all the pain. I’m not so sure anymore.
This game is on Thibs. Worst coaching job of the season.
Hate loosing to these bums again…would have rather had our season ended by Celtics
Box score says Bridges was 4/5 from three which is either wrong or it means those shots he was shooting weren’t even 3 point attempts which I think is somehow worse
Would you rather be scouting potential lottery picks or watching a hero ball team fall short year after year?
Knicks wouldn’t use the pick, so not that choice
I would take this season 100 times out of 100 compared to any other season in the past 25 years.
The Knicks had the 3rd seed locked in for about a month. Plenty of time to expirement with lineups.
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This is what I hate the most. Why can’t we play fluid basketball from time to time? I’m kinda envious of Donnie.
No matter how bad the Knicks look… at least we’re not in Indianapolis.
Thibs has never had an offensive system. Back with the Bulls it was D Rose iso..
I still take last year. Even if we win it all (we won’t but it’s still possible), I’m out on Mikal and out on Thibs. This season has been fun in terms of results, the actual product on the court has been meh to watch.
Last season was Rogue One. This season is The Force Awakens.
I would’ve continued to run the offense through KAT. It seems like they stopped at he end of the 2nd quarter and then never re-gained footing in the game. To me, that was what worked so well in game 3.
Ah well. I’m a big Sam Presti fan. If he finally gets his ring, it will be well-earned.
This game didn’t bother me much. I have already mentally moved on to the off season and thinking about how to best proceed from here.
I think the one obvious move is to fire Thibs.
This team was always going to have some issues on defense. It wasn’t built to play defense. It was built to be an elite offense, but Thibs is a horrible offensive coach. He can’t coach this team. He’s not getting the best out of a single player on the team. The offense is offensive to watch.
After that Leon has the tougher decision to make about whether Towns/Brunson can even work with a competent coach, improved bench and maybe a trade that gets us a two-way PF or SG that moves Hart to the bench. Personally, I don’t think it can even if he pulls off some Leon type magic.
I like Towns a lot. But I think one of either Towns or Brunson has to go. Nico would trade them both, set the internet on fire and be right.
Thibs may be among the worst offensive coaches ever.
In some alternate universe D’Antoni has this team averaging 140 PPG and breaking all kind of records.
Hart still playing starters minutes, while being trash
And delon wright played 2 minutes in the second half
Got to love it
I’ll wait to see what Nico can do post Luka. Easy to forget he got them to the Finals.
Sorry Strat but the idea of trading Brunson is pretty ridiculous. We’d be maybe a play in team without him, and he carried us on his back through most of these playoffs.
I understand his defensive issues but name a point guard who scores like Brunson does and excels on the defensive end also.
Yeah you guys who for some reason are still fixated on last season’s theoretical team are just weird. Saying you’d still want Mikal and Thibs out even if they win it all this season is even weirder.
Quite frankly, if Leon doesn’t fire Thibs, I’m going to spend the next year clamoring for Leon to be fired also. It’s so extremely obvious at this point, I can’t make a rational argument for keeping him.
Nico would trade them both and further cement himself as the worst GM in NBA history.
Thibs blamed the loss on turnovers post game
But kept playing Josh Hart
Wow
First off, if you remove Brunson, it’s not like you’d be getting nothing back. You’d be getting one hell of a player back.
Second, he’s a terrific scorer, but he’s not just a negative on defense. He’s a huge liability.
Third, he doesn’t really make anyone around him better. He doesn’t draw double teams that create easy shots for others. When he draws double teams he dribbles around and tries to create something for himself anyway. Most of his assists come out of ball domination.
It’s a silly conversation because we know he’s 100% to not be traded, but as much as he carries this team at times, he’s one of the problems.
Aside from Thibs, you have to look at Mikal this offseason as the guy who gets shown the door. I know he has had his moments, but overall he just hasn’t provided what we’ve needed. He might be a good fit on a different team, but he just doesn’t work next to Brunson, who is clearly staying.
I think they’re going to try and build a lineup of top shooters/defenders around Brunson/KAT unless a Giannis or Jokic offer comes up. Hopefully you can still play Hart/Mitch off your bench.
Maybe you can get Herb Jones and parts for Mikal… idk… or something from a team that is sold on his secondary ball handling and scoring abilities.
This right here is because the coach doesn’t have a system. No arguments on his defense
This was the Buster Keaton game, on the verge of disaster the whole way. If Knicks get a correct whistle when OG was fouled going for the defensive board, he would have been shooting free throws to cut it to four. That would have been like drawing to an open-ended straight. Instead, Bridges was called for the foul and the Pacers went up 7. After that, it was like drawing to an inside straight. No such luck.
The Knicks played badly tonight in a frustrating way. Too many live-ball turnovers. Too many fast breaks off of made baskets. Too many easy cuts for layups.
The Pacers do not have an effective half-court offense, but we keep letting them get out to run.
Also, Indy has been shooting .396 as a team this playoffs. Even after they lose to OKC, teams are clearly going to start emulating their “shooters at every position” thing.
Rose and Thibs got a sucking team and brought it to the ecf in a few years wo lucky drafts or superstar preference.
Giving them a shot is more than deserved imo
*I see names of assistant coaches that never coached a team thrown as Messiahs and i really smh…
Rose may be thinking this, but he risk losing a large portion of the fan base who won’t watch anymore Thibs ball.
Brunson, Trae Young & Ja Morant are similar players. Shoot first PGs who are bad defenders. Brunson does it differently than those guys, because his scoring is generated by incredible footwork, rather than distance shooting (Trae) or high-flying rim attacks (Ja).
My question is whether Brunson’s sturdier frame gives him a chance to improve as a defender. Trae and Ja are just too slight to be effective defenders, unless they could be young Iverson-level steal machines.
*Trae is elite at generating shot attempts for team mates. Didn’t he lead the league in assist?
By profession and vocation I tend to generalize, so here is my take for this series as our chances to win it have faded away. We are losing because we have not been able to play consistently good defense, stifling defense. It is that same problem we have had since October and, at some point, we were due to pay the price. True, we did improve since the last couple of weeks of the regular season, and we wishfully kept the hope we would finally get it together in a consistent way. Apparently, we cannot! Tonight, for example, they dropped 43 on us in the first quarter. This is beyond belief; it is inexcusable and unprofessional to allow this to happen to you in this kind of critical game.
Indiana seems to be better than us. First, the Pacers seem to play even with more defensive energy and physicality than us, forcing turnovers and running which should be jaw-dropping for a Thibs-coached team. Second, the Pacers are clearly a better shooting team than us – we got an equal and even higher number of open looks but couldn’t knock them down. Third, and most important, Indiana has been slicing through our defense and getting whatever they want for most of the time. We won every segment of the series we managed to slow them down and make them think twice or take contested shots. Those, however, were relatively small stretches overall, like the first eight minutes of the third quarter tonight or the second half of the previous game.
What makes it more painful is that we knocked out Boston and we did not believe that Indiana can beat us. The road seemed open. Blame Thibs, KAT, Brunson, Bridges, the minutes, whoever and whatever, but this is the overall picture, and we have to live with it. I am not going to throw blame in one single direction. I find this simple-minded, to say the least. I am not even going to say this season has been a failure as I never thought this roster could truly contend the way it is.
With the lone change of a coach that will actually do their due diligence on implementing offensive and defensive schemes to fit this roster, I think you’ll all be pleasantly surprised at the results.
When I say I’m out on Mikal and Thibs, I’m not necessarily saying I want them out (which, about Thibs, I do, but that’s another point).
I’m saying that I’ve seen enough and I don’t think they have what we need to get to the next level. And frankly I’m ok with never winning it all, but I want to see hope on the court. This is not like it. And, again, it’s not about the results – they are good to great. It’s the game they play. I’m 41 and I’ve rooted for my share of championship winning teams. Usually they’re not the ones I remember. Unless they also play well. Which is why I liked the sans-KD Warriors, the Joga Bonito Spurs, and Denver.
Knicks best point of attack defenders
Delon
Deuce
Mikal is awful at that.
Delon didn’t see time until 9 minutes in the 4th
Best lineup in this game was….
The lineup that came back in the second
Go with the flow
pacers have an identity
Its over 90 games and you can’t say what the Knicks are good at..
The block party here is spreading up Maryland Ave and filtering into Market Square, so fitting. Gonna take a celebratory dip in the White river, then head down to Oklahoma City for the rest of the week to wait things out.
Lol…he was terrible tonight and still scored 31 points, had 5 assist and 3 stocks. Is Steph Curry a great career defender?
The captain is the best thing that happened to NYC since Bloomberg won his first election.
The Knicks fan base has been loyal through the last 25 years, which consisted of an awful 2001 – 2010, the dashed hopes of Linsanity & Melo, the false hope of Porzingis and the last five years of competence. I do not think the Brass will worry that the fans will go away if Thibs comes back.
When I say Brunson, Trae and Ja are similar, I am not saying they are bad. Before Ja’s injury/legal troubles, he was discussed as a potential MVP (eventually).
We shall see with Leon, but Thibs doesn’t have the chops to get a team to the top. He makes you respectable , but he has a limit.
There’s no shame in being the Dwayne Casey for this team.
(Also, if it wasn’t already clear, I have a lot of respect for Thibs. The fact that we can’t win with him doesn’t mean we can’t love him for what he’s done. He’s been by far the best coach since JVG and that deserves a tremendous amount of gratitude. That said, I want to dream. I don’t like retreads in my work life, do you think I should settle for it in sports?)
maybe we’re simply experiencing this Pacers’ storyline from a shitty perspective…maybe this thing isn’t so much about us…
Josh hart put the team in a bad spot with all those turnovers – the Pacers though are playing really good team ball…
Something I don’t understand. Indiana has been playing Brunson super-physically, picking him up the entire length of the floor and fouling him multiple times on almost every play. He shot 12 free throws tonight. It could have been 20 or more. Why haven’t we been doing this to them whenever we can? Why haven’t we been the aggressive team?
Thibs’ mantra of “the game tells you what to do” is probably why. It’s a reactive mindset that concedes initiative to the opponent.
Mikal Bridges is a horrible Point Of Attack defender. Halliburton cooked him. He was next to Hart as absolute garbage tonight.
Booooooooo
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