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Remembering Melo, and maybe if he had a little more help this particular game, it’d have been a completely different story.
https://twitter.com/BenRitholtzNBA/status/1660697046343401491
I am the Prochess
I think Jokic is the biggest threat to challenge Wilt’s 100 point record. Maybe he doesn’t want to, but if he got matched up with a team with a terrible frontcourt, it seems like he could score on every single possession if he wanted to.
Jokic may be the biggest threat to Wilt’s single-game scoring record, but it’ll still never happen. Don’t you think the opponent would just put four guys on him once he reached 80 in order to prevent it from happening? At that point, the opponent would have very likely already basically lost the game…….which is another reason why Jokic would not still be in the game in the first place anymore. LOL
I watched a Denver Wizards (no Kristaps) game this last season where they just had absolutely no chance at all of stopping Jokic. He had 43 points on 17-20 shooting. He missed his only 2 3pt attempts and then got the offensive rebound and scored on the only 2 point shot he missed. IDK about 100 but it felt like he absolutely could have scored 80 that game if he wanted it.
Denver closed out the series playing their bench a total of 30 minutes…
1. they really wanted to close out the lakers that night… good job on not taking that for granted…
2. depth is overrated….
you need role players to step up but if your starters are good enough you don’t need a rando to try and save your season…. you’re going to rely on them to play the whole game if they need to… and the vast majority of the time in the playoffs it’s necessary….
where they are needed is during the reg season to see whether or not they can be trusted during the playoffs…. but in the majority of cases the top 5 is going to be doing 80% of the lifting and that’s where the vast majority of your resources should be deployed…
I think one of the reasons the Nuggets were undervalued by sportsbooks going into the playoffs is they play Jokic 33 minutes a game in the regular season.
Oh, for the love of Pete…
Alan the Knicks are a destination again
seemed like Lebron was considering retirement but that’s probably just the agony of defeat and the pain meds wearing off talking….
What’s the over/under as to where the lightly protected 2025 Milwaukee pick will convey?
If Lebron really wants to be a Knick now, here’s what we should do.
Leon and Thibs should spend the next month before free agency talking about what a legend Lebron James is. How any team would be lucky to get him even at this point in his career. And how Lebron getting to play at the most famous arena in the world would be historic.
Then the first night of free agency, Thibs hosts a televised event on ESPN where he announces that the Knicks are trading for Shai.
You also need them in the playoffs if there is an injury or two. We clearly missed Quickley. Not only is he our backup PG, he’s also the needed pace/space guy in the 2nd unit. He also typically plays a lot of minutes overall with other lineups. No knock on Deuce, but he’s less experienced and less of a shooting/scoring threat that we need in that unit.
Austin Reaves is actually good so I’ll say him. I think DLo is heading into the one-year deal portion of his career.
It’s an improvement, Alan, the last two offseasons the chatter was about Russ. 😛 And i’m predicting the same outcome.
Reaves is actually a good target for us, I think. I have only watched him play a few times so I’m no expert but his defense looked good and the defensive metrics are solid.
Kyrie would actually be a huge improvement for the Lakers over DLo.
They were underrated all year because Murray missed two playoffs and all of last season and Porter missed most of last season. People have short memories. “Bubble” Murray was a monster and Porter was really good.
If you came into the season figuring Murray would slowly round back into form and be back to peak “bubble” form for the playoffs, Porter would return, and added role players would help, you knew they would be a much better, more experienced, and deeper team this year that could seriously contend.
16-1 was to start the season was a gift.
It’s going to be very easy to hedge a series with Miami and take down some cash from here.
I watch Reaves and wish Grimes played more like him. He can really create and he can really draw fouls. Not quite as good a defender but he is an amazing find by the Lakers. I think they should have used him more in the playoffs.
I am just in awe of Jokic. He’s the best player in the NBA and I don’t think it’s particularly close.
I wonder if Melo could help Randle’s iso game.
Hubert, Reaves is not gettable. We have no route to the necessary cap space this summer, and he’s not going to sign for the midlevel — or, if he is, the Lakers would match such an offer sheet.
“I am just in awe of Jokic. He’s the best player in the NBA and I don’t think it’s particularly close.”
Hard to argue with this. There is really no way to stop him, in a prime Kareem sort of way. I used to think of him as lumbering and somewhat out of shape, but he now runs the floor really well for his size.
The defense is a demerit, but he’s definitely convincing me that he belongs in the conversation for the greatest offensive player ever. What he’s been doing this year is legendary, unprecedented.
I’ve been banging the Reaves drum for a few weeks now. He’d be great for us, and if we were to offer him 4/$80M or so we could make life very difficult for the Lakers.
Alas, all indications are they’re keeping him come hell or high water, as they should.
Now, if they’re really serious about this Kyrie business (I’m dubious, just because of how much he’d have to leave on the table compared to what he can get from the Mavs) they’d need Reaves’ cap hold to remain minimal while they worked out Kyrie’s deal.
We could theoretically mess that plan up with a big offer sheet early, but that would require us to clear the necessary cap space quickly, and it’s a lot of cap space. We’d have to unload Fournier, one of Randle/RJ, and maybe even Obi too depending on what we do with Hart.
Has anyone else watched Malcolm Brogdan’s press conference from yesterday? I am so impressed by him, could definitely see him becoming a successful coach or executive down the road. Nice tribute to Melo towards the end.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rauGgZzVjN4
our best offensive game of the playoffs came with quickley out and brunson playing 48… that’s not some coincidence considering how bad he was during the whole playoff run… it probably would have been a 5 game series instead of 6 if he was playing all things considered….
depth is a nice to have.. not a must have… and that’s how most teams deploy their resources…. so if your’e thinking of spending big bucks on a free agent you should figure out where they are actually going to land in the rotation and how much that’s actually worth….
He’s always been a peak level speaker. I agree on his post-career prospects. Announcing would be a good fit for him, as well.
“Use eight, rotate seven, play six, and trust five.” Pat Riley on the playoffs
In addition to his ability to lead the break, I was impressed by how well Jokic uses his strength and frame. He is basically immovable unless he is flopping. And I have never seen anyone better with the handoff off a screen. He is like a quarterback playfaking and he is also extremely difficult to get around.
Very excited for the Finals. Should be a ton of fun watching Bam try to slow him down.
I also loved the way when his team needed the winning basket he just put his head down and rumbled into the paint for a short floater. He dared the entire Lakers team to stop him and no one could. That’s what all-time great players do.
Yeah, that was really cool. He’s deceptively agile with a Bill Bradley-esque sense of where he is all the time. He clearly processes the game better than anyone else.
Jamal is playing incredible ball but this is a very mediocre basketball team ex-Jokic (for an NBA finalist.) It’s an incredible achievement if he wins a title and I am pretty excited to watch him do it.
the biggest surprise about the nuggets this season/post season for me has been the consistent play of michael porter junior…
i doubted his durability and basketball IQ…he is more than doing just fine right now…
i too am interested to see how the heat defend nikola…
i don’t think they can, but – i also thought they weren’t gonna win any series this post-season…
nikola’s been chewing up big men, medium men – every one…i can’t wait to see lowry banging in to the back of his knees…
i still can’t believe caleb martin is only 6’5″…
good luck to miami running the zone on the nuggets – they should shoot them out of the gym…
interesting series with the O’s…when the heck did they get good?
Yeah, Porter Jr. was the whole deal. We all knew if he and Murray were healthy, the Nuggets would be good, but how could anyone bank on them (especially Porter) being healthy ever?
not just their health BC…they are actually playing really smart basketball – especially it seemsporter junior…i didn’t know he was that sharp and aware…
Jokic likes passing too much to break Wilt’s record. But if he were selfish and cared enough I have no doubt he could do that in an era where scoring 50 is pretty ho-hum.
Murray never had a regular season half as good as his bubble performance. It wasn’t the injury, he’s just never shown he can do that consistently.
I also didn’t think Porter & Murray would stay healthy a whole season.
random thought number two 🙂
it’s amazing to see such a sharp increase in the portrayal of women in violent roles within the media (i’m still laughing at santa on a murder spree, no did not watch the movie)…
1000% fair, and sadly probably very necessary…i wonder though what impact that’ll have on our gun issue in about a decade…
i think all of the advantages the heat have had in getting to where they are (giannis going down, spo being the better coach, better outside shooters, experience…the best player in the series…etc.)…is not so much vs Denver…plus not having the home court will catch up with them…finally…
I’m rooting for the Nuggets, so i hope you’re right, but i also think Denver hasn’t played against a very good defense so far. Miami will bring that, and i’m very curious to see what happens.
This quote from https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/22/sports/basketball/nikoa-jokic-denver-nuggets-game-4.html really captures Jokic
It bears mentioning that this era is sort of perfect for Jokic. Here is a list of the best pure starting C’s in the game:
Jokic
Embiid
Gobert
Capela
Ayton
Lopez
Mitch
Jonas V
Looney
Poeltl
Vucevic
Zubac
Plumlee
Adams
RWIII
Claxton
Kessler
KAT
KP
Turner
Then you have the hybrid PF/C types:
Sabonis
Giannis
Horford
AD
Wood
Bam
JJJ
Mobley
On that entire list, there are only a few of guys that are in Jokic’s size/weight class:
Embiid
Gobert
Lopez
Jonas V
Adams
KAT
Mitch
Kessler
Zubac
Poeltl
Vuc
Unless you believe KAT has possibilities, there’s only two top-75 pure C’s in the league today…Jokic and Embiid.
Obviously, Jokic would have been an multiple MVP in any era. But in my opinion there is lack of competition at the 2-way pure C spot that kinda helps him stand out even further.
I wonder if the C’s will retain Grant Williams, and what the market would be for him if they don’t. He can shoot it a bit and adds toughness but seems a bit immature (fake tough guy) and probably not a great locker room presence.
Grant Williams for the MLE makes us better and is another decent trade chip. Can’t see the Celtics letting him go though.
“Grant Williams for the MLE makes us better and is another decent trade chip. Can’t see the Celtics letting him go though.”
He’s an RFA so obviously the C’s could match, but would they? Not sure how much they like him…he gets benched a lot…
Yeah, not champing (much less chomping) at the bit for Grant Williams. Might be interested in poaching Sam (“Doogie”) Hauser from the Celtics, though. He could have helped against the Heat, I think.
I liked the Brook Lopez idea, until someone pointed out that he’s 36 years old. Can’t believe he’s been around that long already. Not much point in getting him at this point in his career.
And since there has been chatter about re-acquiring Alec Burks, why has there been none about re-acquiring Bobby Portis (his eyes notwithstanding)? He’s not as skilled overall as Julius is, but the other things he would bring to the table would make Julius relatively expendable. I just can’t help remembering that Julius is only good every other season (much in the same way that Anthony Davis is only good every other game—it’s almost uncanny how consistent that is), and next season is due to be Julius’ “bad” season. (Getting Portis would *definitely* make Obi expendable, but I love the energy he brings when he gets minutes that make him feel confident, and I’d like to keep him around while he grows into the team, at least for now.)
Now is the time.
Portis would be nice, but I assume he’s not going anywhere soon, especially if Lopez is.
I think Cameron Johnson is exactly what we need. He is going to want a lot of money and if we get in his ear, we might be able to push his price higher than Brooklyn would want to pay and force a sign and trade.
I think a straight-up swap for Randle would help both Brooklyn and us.
I don’t think Lopez is going anywhere. If he is indeed available for Mitch-like dollars for 3 years with a team option in the 3rd, sure, why not? But I doubt that he is.
I’m not a Portis guy but won’t be upset if he returns to us at the right price. He’s way better Julius insurance than Obi and he can play some C on the defensive end.
Everyone is gettable, Alan. You just have to get creative, like Riley did when he pulled Jimmy Butler in with zero cap space. Or Morey when he got the ungettable Lin in the same situation.
In Reaves case, though, I don’t know the intricacies of the Arenas rule well enough to understand if he can be part of a sign and trade.
Ideally I’d like to see RJ and a pick go out, Reaves come in.
The MLE market is pretty bare bones this year, so if Grant is available it might be a question of whether he’s worth more than (a) Obi or (b) extra room below the lux tax.
If people are really dead set on moving on from Randle, then Christian Wood would make a decent Randle-lite who could be worth a damn come playoff time. He comes with a lot of other problems that need fixing though.
Talen-Horton Tucker isn’t particularly good but he’s only 22 and an UFA which I didn’t realize.
Bruce Brown is definitely worth looking into if you can get him for the MLE.
One thing I do know: if someone puts a free agent offer sheet out to Reaves on Day 1, the Lakers will be unable to sign Kyrie (or pretty much anyone good) if they match.
There’s opportunity there.
Wood for Randle would make some sense for Dallas being that Randle is a home-town guy and would probably be a good fit with Doncic. But I think it would be a bad move for us. IMHO Randle is a much better player.
The reporting is that the Lakers plan to match any offer for Reaves or Rui. They don’t seem interested in Kyrie, though if LeBron makes clear that he wants to retire or be traded if Kyrie doesn’t come, that’s different.
And for the moment, we should not bother discussing trades with any of Brooklyn, Dallas, or Miami. Too much bad blood between the franchises. The Dallas thing is the most recent, but we haven’t made a trade with the Heat since Riley went there, and I believe it’s been even longer since we traded with the Nets.
It wouldn’t be Randle for Wood, you trade Randle for a big upgrade elsewhere and also try to get Wood for almost nothing. He may be available for the MLE given that he barely made more last year, can’t play defense, and was coming off the bench. He might be unplayable defensively but would be a hedge against dumping a guy who can put up a lot of points at PF.
I have a strong feeling that Zach Edey is going back to Purdue for his final season.
“It wouldn’t be Randle for Wood, you trade Randle for a big upgrade elsewhere and also try to get Wood for almost nothing.”
I’m not feeling you on this. What big upgrade elsewhere are you going to get for Randle? And why would Cuban let Wood go if he’s available for almost nothing?
Despite the reporting, I’m not prepared to move Austin Reaves into the same category as anyone on the Nets, Heat, or Mavs (which, I agree, will not be trade partners). There’s just too much going on there to make a definitive read.
I’m not necessarily endorsing it, but it’s an option if you lose Randle’s usage.
Wood is a FA so it’s not up to Cuban, plus he probably wants more defense than what Wood can provide. But he can overpay the market just to keep him, so you’re right it might not happen.
Naz Reid is the sneaky good move, if you can get him.
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Good one, Early Bird! Wouldn’t have thought of Naz.
Also: Mark Williams from Charlotte? I’m sure they want to keep him, unless maybe we make him an offer they/he can’t refuse. Is he a more offensively skilled Mitch? I think he might be.
I love Naz. And swapping Reaves for RJ would be awesome. Like perfect. But not going to happen though.
Wood is one of those guys that looks good on paper, but somehow the team is usually worse when he’s on the court (low defensive IQ and effort). He’d provide more space at PF than Randle which is a plus, but I think we’d be swapping one problem for a bigger one. Wood used to drive Kidd so crazy he didn’t even want to play him at times. I like the Wood profile, but we need a more complete two way player.
I like him too, but will the Nets even deal with us? If I were them I’d want to keep him and Mikal Bridges. I’d be looking to move DFS. DFS’s salary per year is OK, but given he had a subpar year last year I don’t like the length of that contract. He may still have some value around the league though. When he’s playing well, he’s a pretty good 3&D role player.
Last year’s free agency gives me more confidence that the FO will act prudently in the small moves, but also more fear that they will act rashly in the big moves. That whole Spida scenario scared the hell outta me. It was a bazooka shell dodged, let alone a bullet. The iHart trade was sneaky good and I very much liked the JHart trade. Brunson is the best single transaction of the past 20+ years.
I do expect significant adjustments to the rotation. Before considering targets, we need to find out what IQ, Obi and JHart are worth and whether to extend them. I would expect one of those 3 to be gone, probably Obi. I think they will commit to IQ as the backup PG. Unless JHart gets insulted by their offer, he’ll be the small swiss army knife off the bench.
Then comes Grimes and one of Mitch or iHart. I would also expect one of those three to be gone, not sure who. Mitch has the most trade value but is hardest to replace on his contract. iHart and Grimes should both generate some interest. But keeping all three rather than cashing in one of them at peak value might not be good “hybrid” business.
Then Brunson, RJ and Julius. I’m expecting all 3 to still be here and in the starting lineup in October.
So for me, that leaves three spots that would be most likely candidates for a rotational upgrade:
Multi-positional 3&D wing with at least some size
Stretch 4/5
Shot creating knockdown shooting guard
If we can upgrade two of these three in a reasonably prudent way, that would be a successful off-season for me. Definitely need to keep some powder dry for the really big move when opportunity knocks.
$11M player option. 0.001% chance he declines.
This is short term recent results oriented thinking.
We can’t know what Quickley would have done in the next few games if he was healthy, especially under playoff pressure. As you say, he was in one of his down streaks. But imo he’s unquestionably one of the most critical players on this Knicks team. He plays both sides well, he’s the straw that stirs the drink in the 2nd unit, and when he gets rolling he changes games all by himself. The latter (and his defense) being why he’s such a potentially great 6th man. Most high level 6th men can’t defend. That’s why they don’t start. If you have one that defends as a plus also, just smile and say “thank you”.
To be honest, the only semi duplication I see on this roster is Hart and Grimes. Hart is better at the non scoring things but Grimes is younger and has more upside as a scorer. If we were to bring in an upgrade at SG/SF, one of those guys could go. I think it would probably wind up being Grimes because of the relationship between Brunson and Hart.
I’m still adamantly against trading Obi unless we are bringing in a better PF. But considering I want to try to move Randle as part of our off season plans to create better spacing and more consistent mental health, Obi becomes more important unless we can bring in two PFs that are better than him, one to replace Randle and one to replace him.
I’m not a fan of trading Mitch for one main reason.
I like I-Hart, but I don’t think he’s as good defensively as Mitch. I think a defensive C is a pretty critical component of our team given we have Brunson, RJ, and Randle on the perimeter.
If we could upgrade at C to someone that plays both sides of the ball, I’d be fine with that. But I don’t think we can have a bad defender or inconsistent defender with those guys on the perimeter. That’s my problem with Towns too. He’d open things up and give us a much better overall offense, but at what cost defensively?
The other possibility is to improve the perimeter with a guy like Anunoby, then Mitch’s rim protection and defense becomes less critical.
Naz Reid isn’t the defensive stalwart Mitch is but he’s not a seive (as far as I can tell from the numbers).
He scores 22.5pts per 36 on a .617 TS%. He’s a career .344 shooter from 3 and took 6 attempts per 36 last year.
He fouls too much and 9.6 rebs/36 isn’t stellar.
He’ll be 24 next year and Minnesota has Towns & Gobert already.
I see the trade season is in full effect and we have the whole team on the trading block, at least reading the thread. 😀
We can always go back to arguing about the mezzanine 😁
Please, no. Keep going with the trade season. 😉
Myles Turner. We give Mitch, Obi and one of our protected picks and Indy (probably) says yes.
“Myles Turner. We give Mitch, Obi and one of our protected picks and Indy (probably) says yes.”
I look at the Heat and their physical and mental toughness and see that as the model to aim for. Myles Turner is missing something in that area. I’d pass. But from a pure value standpoint it seems like a good trade and I wouldn’t be upset if we made it.
I guess that’s a “no” to Mark Williams, then? LOL
Maybe we’re looking at the wrong Cam from the Nets. Maybe we ought to be looking at the one (Cam Thomas) who scored 40 points in three straight games before being indiscriminately frozen out afterwards (might have been at the time of the big trade with Phoenix).
I’d be fine with Mark Wiliams but he’s not going anywhere…
Should’ve got Plumlee when we had the chance. Timing wasn’t quite right at the time, though.
They drafted Mark Williams last year and he was great for them. I think I read somewhere that their defense was top 10 during the last part of the season when they started playing him.
He’s not un-gettable but it’s going to cost way more than we’ll want to spend. Plus his range is barely farther than Mitch right now.
Plumlee is kinda garbage
I’d definitely be up for Cam if they don’t want him. They have about 400 guards & wings, and I like most of them
JK47’s favorite Mets pitcher is not off to a good start tonight…
Cam Thomas might be exactly the off-the-radar kind of guy that Pat Riley could look at and say to himself: “Now *that’s* a player who can become quite good.”
I used to think Seth Curry was something, but maybe not.
But I just realized: The Nets aren’t trading *anyone* to us, anyway.
Plumlee: I’m not sure I agree that 11/9/3 in 26 minutes per game off the bench while shooting 68% from the field is particularly garbage-like. What am I missing?
Caleb Martin turned into scottie pippen….wtf
He’s a bad defender, averaged 0.8 blks/36. RAPTOR thought he was bad on defense (-0.8), EPM thought he was terrible (-2.0). So it’s not as if he’s playing great positional defense to make up for it.
In Charlotte, opponents had a Ortg +7.5 points higher when he was on the court.
Caleb Martin had the Jerome James at the bar a couple weeks back
I don’t know what Caleb Martin is getting paid but it’s not enough…
It’s hard to think of a fanbase that deserves its team less than Miami
Is it possible that Charlotte drafted the wrong twin by accident?
Check that, they signed and then later waived Caleb!!
You should know by now that Miami never plays drafted players, they find all their guys at the local Piggly Wiggly, sometimes at Costco in bulk
The Yankees have gotten a lot more watchable recently. That Judge guy, pretty good.
Surprised Boone didn’t ask Judge to bunt.
My Dad still thinks Judge strikes out too much.
After Mo and Jeter retired I figured I’d never love and root for another Yankees player as great as them but amazingly Judge has reached their status already.
If Mazzulla told them to make their threes he is a genius coach. So shrewd.
I could see Lebron “retiring” for a year, then coming back to play with Bronny.
I read that LeBron’s foot injury might be more serious than we think and he might need surgery and rehab that would force him to miss the beginning of the season.
game 6 back in miami will be a good one…
That’s top notch dad behavior
My Dad is elite old. Sprinkles in references to watching Mantle.
Bader has been a big part of it
I’ve seen teams down 3-0 win game 4 at home but I don’t think I’ve ever seen one win on the road. I think the Heat are in trouble.