Knicks Morning News (2018.08.19)

  • [NYDN] City ambulance ran me down then took off, now I’m about to lose my home: Brooklyn woman
    (Sunday, August 19, 2018 3:00:00 AM)

    A transgender Brooklyn woman who says she was severely injured on her bicycle in a hit-and-run with an FDNY ambulance has been teetering on the brink of ruin for two years because the city refuses to fess up to the accident.

    Aleliana Boyer, 34, says the injuries she suffered in the crash have left…

  • [NYDN] MONEY PIT: City spends millions to lease largely vacant office building in Jamaica, Queens
    (Sunday, August 19, 2018 3:00:00 AM)

    Office space: the city’s final frontier.

    The de Blasio administration is spending millions of dollars to lease a southeastern Queens building that has been 75% vacant for the past two years, the Daily News has learned.

    In that time, the city has spent $3.6 million to use the entire three-floor,…

  • [NYDN] Stop smearing N.Y. yeshivas: They provide a quality education to their students
    (Sunday, August 19, 2018 2:00:00 AM)

    During my quarter-century practicing law, I have defended a broad range of clients and activities: the state’s anti-smoking laws from cigarette companies, the Working Families Party from an improperly appointed special prosecutor, and numerous insurers, banks, and developers.

    None of my clients…

  • [NYDN] Donald Trump’s Pecker problem: The tabloid publisher may have more on him than Putin does
    (Sunday, August 19, 2018 2:00:00 AM)

    Forget that “lowlife” “dog” Omarosa, forget bagman Paul Manafort, and shove publicity hound Roger Stone off stage — at least until he’s indicted.

    True, they all have goods on their boss, Donald Trump, but compared to what comes next out of the Houdini lockbox of Robert Mueller’s office, they may…

  • [NYDN] Schools for scandal: The city’s too-sluggish review of scofflaw yeshivas
    (Sunday, August 19, 2018 1:10:00 AM)

    It took Schools Chancellor Richard Carranza a 14-page letter to state Education Commissioner MaryEllen Elia to spin what can be summed up just so:

    Four years of lackadaisical city followup on a complaint of scant English, math and other secular studies at more than two dozen ultra-Orthodox Jewish…

  • [NYDN] Losing the war: Trump must redouble efforts to combat an opioid crisis that’s taking an ever larger toll
    (Sunday, August 19, 2018 1:05:00 AM)

    Seventy-nine thousand: The estimated number of Americans lost to drug overdose last year was more than double those killed by guns. Nearly double those killed in car crashes. And more than those killed over the entirety of U.S. wars in Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq combined.

    A day after the news…

  • [NYDN] Are we clear? A great clarification, for the record
    (Sunday, August 19, 2018 1:00:00 AM)

    Just to clear things up: What I meant to say was that America didn’t used to be that great, but has always been great, and will soon be super great. When I’m President.

  • [NYDN] CARIBBEAT: New York Caribbean Carnival and Parade sets the stage for host of other Labor Day weekend happenings
    (Sunday, August 19, 2018 1:00:00 AM)

    Along with the five-day big New York Caribbean Carnival and Parade coming Labor Day weekend, there are concerts, exhibitions and other events inspired by the annual event and steeped in the region’s infectious culture.

    Local Caribbean art talent — “Moods and Expressions, A Caribbean Sensation”…

  • [NYDN] Readers sound off on capital punishment, Uber and the Mets
    (Sunday, August 19, 2018 12:00:00 AM)

    Linden, N.J.: When we exercise capital punishment, we kill people in an attempt to prove that killing people is wrong. But since killing people is wrong, then we’re wrong to kill people. Capital punishment says, “You can’t, but we can. It’s evil when you do it. It’s right when we do it.” We should…

  • [NYDN] EXCLUSIVE: Aspiring Puerto Rican pro gamer says she smuggled drugs to NYC to help family survive Hurricane Maria
    (Saturday, August 18, 2018 11:00:00 PM)

    Online video gamer Nicole Lorenzo Cortez, who competes in a virtual world where a deadly storm rages around her, says she smuggled cocaine to New York to help her family recover from the real-life storm that ravaged her hometown in Puerto Rico.

    Cortez, 20, who hopes to make a living playing the…

  • [NYDN] Haunted hollow, if walls could talk
    (Saturday, August 18, 2018 9:00:00 PM)

    On Aug. 25, about two dozen avid ghost hunters are signed up for a visit to Fox Hollow Farm, in Carmel, Ind., about 20 miles from Indianapolis.

    The excursion has been arranged by American Hauntings, a 25-year-old company that specializes in trips to some of the country’s spookiest places.

    Fox Hollow…

  • [NYDN] EXCLUSIVE: Bronx charter school teacher says she was fired for reporting sexual harassment
    (Saturday, August 18, 2018 9:00:00 PM)

    An award-winning Bronx charter school teacher sounded the alarm on vile sexual harassment by one of her students — and then was fired by vengeful administrators anxious to avoid a scandal, an explosive lawsuit charges.

    Former Bronx Lighthouse Charter School instructor Marcia White says in her Bronx…

  • [NYDN] Daily Horoscope — August 19, 2018
    (Saturday, August 18, 2018 9:00:00 PM)

    Via Tarot Astrologers

    General Horoscope for August 19, 2018

    Slow motions stir the cosmic soup today, but we may encounter abrupt change here on Earth. Gas giants Jupiter and Neptune lock into a magical trine that carries our dreams to the distant edges of space and time. Meanwhile, the adventurous…

  • [NYDN] It’s not easy being Green
    (Saturday, August 18, 2018 9:00:00 PM)

    They say if you remember the ’60s, you weren’t there.

    But Robin Green was. She remembers the ’70s, too, and all that followed. And what’s more, in “The Only Girl,” she names names.

    Born in 1945, she was there for the whole psychedelic era. A bohemian in Greenwich Village of the late ’60s, and by…

  • [NYDN] EXCLUSIVE: Judge rules Trinitarios gang member in Bronx River Parkway beating can be free on bail
    (Saturday, August 18, 2018 9:00:00 PM)

    The case of an alleged gang member accused in a near-fatal beating on the Bronx River Parkway resulted in a passionate ruling from a federal judge on the right of defendants to be free on bail.

    Ramon Paulino, 21, is accused of bashing a 14-year-old boy with a piece of wood in a median of the Bronx…

  • [NYDN] GRIDLOCK SAM: Battle for bragging rights and traffic
    (Saturday, August 18, 2018 9:00:00 PM)


    The NFL NY Battle for bragging rights is Friday night at MetLife Stadium as the Jets and Giants play at 7:30 p.m. From what I hear it seems fans are wondering less about who is going to win but rather how…

  • [NYDN] Madden: Here’s how the no-name Oakland A’s are giving baseball’s super teams a run for their money
    (Saturday, August 18, 2018 8:40:00 PM)

    Perhaps the best story in baseball right now is also the best-kept secret in baseball right now.

    We refer to the Oakland A’s, or maybe more fittingly the Oakland Phantoms, as there is hardly a household name to be found on this roster littered with bargain basement free agents, under-the-radar…

  • [NYDN] Four injured, one critically, in Queens blaze
    (Saturday, August 18, 2018 8:00:00 PM)

    Four people were injured — one critically — when a fire erupted at a two-story home in Queens Saturday, authorities said.

    More than 100 firefighters responded to the two-alarm blaze on 130th St. near Liberty Ave. in Richmond Hill, authorities said.

    Photos taken from the scene showed first-responders…

  • [NYDN] Ackert: Andy Pettitte insists Luis Severino will be fine, but the ’98 World Series champs are a reminder of how much better Yankee rotation needs to be
    (Saturday, August 18, 2018 7:25:00 PM)

    Andy Pettitte knows a little bit about how Luis Severino was feeling the last month. The former Yankee ace felt the weight of New York’s expectations on his shoulders before. He has struggled under the brightest spotlight and he has come through.

    So the big lefthander who helped carry this organization…

  • [NYDN] Going to the Dearborn Heights home of Giants coach Pat Shurmur
    (Saturday, August 18, 2018 7:25:00 PM)

    DEARBORN HEIGHTS, Mich. – Pat Shurmur’s childhood home at 26275 Sheahan Drive sits on a quintessentially blue-collar American street, with basketball hoops in almost every driveway and all of the schools, football fields and baseball diamonds just a quick bike ride down memory lane away.

    “I am…

  • [NYDN] Daniel Royer’s last-ditch goal in final minute salvages a Red Bulls draw with Whitecaps
    (Saturday, August 18, 2018 7:10:00 PM)

    VANCOUVER — In front of 22,120 spectators, Whitecaps captain Kendall Waston scored twice to overturn an early New York lead. But ultimately it was Daniel Royer’s dramatic late-game equalizer for the Red Bulls that provided the true heroics at BC Place in a 2-2 draw.

    Following a heavy defeat to…

  • [NYDN] Robbery suspect flees into Brooklyn subway tunnel, gets fatally zapped by third rail
    (Saturday, August 18, 2018 7:00:00 PM)

    A robbery suspect suffered a gruesome fate Saturday night when he fled into a Brooklyn subway tunnel and got zapped by the third rail, cops said.

    The unidentified man was found dead about 7:45 p.m. after he made contact with the electrified rail inside the Union St. station on the R-line in Park…

  • [NYDN] Family of convicted jail union boss Norman Seabrook seeks $100K in GoFundMe donations
    (Saturday, August 18, 2018 6:00:00 PM)

    The family of the disgraced boss of the city’s jails union is hoping to be bailed out.

    A relative of Norman Seabrook has set up a GoFundMe page seeking $100,000 in donations to “support” the 58-year-old convicted fraudster and his family.

    “Norman is a man that respects everyone’s needs and wants,…

  • [NYDN] Jacob deGrom throws complete game, strikes out nine in Mets’ victory over Phillies as ace’s bid for Cy Young gets a major boost
    (Saturday, August 18, 2018 5:00:00 PM)

    On his 107th pitch of the game, Jacob deGrom touched 99 miles per hour, the fastest pitch he’d thrown all day. Except he topped it immediately, hitting 99.1 with another four-seamer to get a groundout for the final out of his third career complete game, a 3-1 victory over the Phillies.

    That’s just…

  • [NYDN] Tips flood clergy abuse hotline following damning report on Pennsylvania dioceses
    (Saturday, August 18, 2018 4:00:00 PM)

    A clergy abuse hotline has been ringing off the hook since it was posted following a grand jury’s scathing report on decades of sexual abuse across six Roman Catholic dioceses in Pennsylvania.

    The attorney general’s office has assigned members of its Child Predator unit to sort through tips about…

  • [NYPost] Knicks’ new rebounding machine looks to reboot career
    (Saturday, August 18, 2018 3:56:26 PM)

    Noah Vonleh may be regarded as another lottery-pick disappointment on the Knicks’ roster, but the 6-foot-9, 245-pound power forward has one exceptional attribute he will bring to the Garden — rebounding. “To be in the NBA, you have to have an elite skill and do something really well,’’ Vonleh told The Post in his first…

  • 19 replies on “Knicks Morning News (2018.08.19)”

    He’s like pocket aces with a shitty flop.

    KP is more like, pocket tens when the board is showing a pair of kings and the river is showing a flush developing. In all likelihood we’re drawing dead and that full house is not coming. The problem is a hand takes fucking years to play out.

    I’m finished abusing this metaphor.

    In an effort to kill this analogy…. let me say KP is like a straight flush draw….. a 4% chance of the ultimate nuts, A 60% chance of a winning hand and a 35% chance of getting completely stacked!!!

    bob n and Grocer,

    Thing is, KP is already an above average NBA player. I don’t worry much about the knee, he is tall and long enough not to depend on elite athleticism and the injury was “clean” as ACLs go. He will always be at least a great rim protector and a very good 3-pt shooter and lob catcher. Assuming even a marginal level of development, we’re probably talking a floor (but at a strong probability for this outcome) of an Enes Kanter-level player…one with particular strengths but glaring weaknesses, someone worth $12-18 mill annually but not more. Obviously if we could lock him up for 5 years at $15 million right now, only the most cynical among us would pass at that chance.

    The problem is that he will surely get a max deal either this year or next unless he has a major setback. Will he ever be worth that max money during that first max deal, what is it, $25 million per year for 4 years? Maybe not. But what are the other possibilities? Let him go? Trade him? It’s really a tough call.

    As a GM, I’d probably base my decision on how he looks when he returns. I would not encourage him to sit out the entire year unless the doctors recommended it. Then if all goes well and he looks like he did before the injury, I’d offer something like 4 years, $75-80 million as soon as the FA situation was settled and see what kind of counter-offer I got. If he looks great (stronger, more polished) then I’d sign him to the max and roll the dice. If he looks compromised, I’d quietly try to trade him.

    What’s up with c.lee?

    Wikipedia is saying he was traded to okc

    Never mind it was deleted.yeaterday it said he was trade for abrines

    Stratomatic "Porzingis, Ntilikina, Knox & Robinson are going to lead us to the promised landsays:

    Here’s the problem with trading KP.

    In 3 years we’ll probably be having a discussion about trading Knox because he’s not worth a max contract. A year after that we’ll probably be talking about trading our pick from this year because he’s not worth a max contract. 30 years from now I’ll be dead and you guys will still be advocating tanking because none of our many picks (that have long since retired with finals appearances and rings with other teams) were worth a max contract.

    Teams draft very young players now. Sometimes they have to decide whether to give one of those players a max contract before they are finished developing. Most of the time it’s not an easy decision based on their level of productivity at that time. It’s more of a probability problem that includes the risk of getting rid of one of your best players and starting from scratch with another 18-19 that could easily turn out to be a turd or another tough decision.

    Teams draft very young players now. Sometimes they have to decide whether to give one of those players a max contract before they are finished developing. Most of the time it’s not an easy decision based on their level of productivity at that time.

    Good points. I’d *not* give Porzingis a max contract based on relatively low productivity, questionable attitude and frequent injuries. Too many red flags, in my opinion.

    More Bargnani than Nowitzki, so far. But I might be mistaken…we are all speculating at this point, aren’t we?


    When you make up these fake scenarios where you generalize something stupid as if it were the opinion of the people arguing against you, I’m sorry, but it’s just so dumb.

    People are saying Porzingis is not deserving of a max contract because right now his production is not. How is this not simple?

    If we had drafted Embiid or Simmons or Anthony Davis then yeah, everybody would say let’s max the guy ASAP. People don’t want to give max contracts to Knicks draft picks because the Knicks have drafted exactly one max worth guy in 40 years, Patrick Ewing. You talk as if the Knicks have given up great talent they drafted because of impatience when the best guys they drafted are dudes like Ariza or Gallinari who weren’t ever max worthy. David Lee is the closest to a max player the Knicks have drafted since I was born.

    So no, it’s not about impatience or something like that. It’s just pragmatic examination of the production these guys have shown. The three guys they drafted who fit your scenario of leaving and winning rings are Ariza, Shumpert and Lee, and Shumpert and Lee were old rookies who don’t even fit your narrative, and everybody agreed that the Knicks gave up on Ariza too fast (and he was never ever a max player anyway).

    People like me just don’t want to end up in a situation where we are paying an injury prone KP 25 million a year for the promise that he’ll eventually figure it out. 15 million? Yeah, sign the guy right now. But as Knicks fans we should know a thing or two about how giving max contracts to non max players work out by now.

    someone mentioned it the other day…on the court, KP may not exactly be max worthy – to the knicks as a business, back up the truck…

    I’m fully aware that KP is getting the max, and that what he brings to the table as the one potential superstar drafted in a long time is probably worth it on the business side.

    All I’m saying is that I disagree with the decision and I think that it’s far more risky / uncertain than people are making it out to be.

    Maxing the best guy you have when he’s not worth it just because you’ve been terrible for a long while and don’t want to keep rebuilding is a bad decision.

    what’s ironic – due to the fact that the knicks have the golden goose (msg), they could actually make all their decisions purely by what works best on the court…

    Ok, here I go again, trying to paste a readable table. For background, it turns that many advanced statistics have skewed distributions, so that an average player is actually not the same as a median player (one in the middle of the rankings at the 50th percentile). Nobody uses medians, but they are pretty easy to calculate with a spreadsheet, so I did the calculations for all the stats listed in Basketball Reference as “Advanced Stats”. The results are below. They use the data from all players in the NBA in the 2017-2018 season.

    Mean 12.7
    75th Percentile 16.2
    Median 12.7
    25th Percentile 9.2

    Mean 0.529
    75th Percentile 0.582
    Median 0.540
    25th Percentile 0.494

    Mean 0.342
    75th Percentile 0.487
    Median 0.356
    25th Percentile 0.161

    Mean 0.249
    75th Percentile 0.313
    Median 0.221
    25th Percentile 0.143

    Mean 4.7
    75th Percentile 6.8
    Median 3.2
    25th Percentile 1.7

    Mean 14.9
    75th Percentile 19.0
    Median 13.9
    25th Percentile 10.0

    Mean 9.8
    75th Percentile 13.0
    Median 8.6
    25th Percentile 6.1

    Mean 12.6
    75th Percentile 16.8
    Median 10.0
    25th Percentile 6.7

    Mean 1.6
    75th Percentile 1.9
    Median 1.4
    25th Percentile 0.9

    Mean 1.6
    75th Percentile 2.1
    Median 1.1
    25th Percentile 0.5

    Mean 12.9
    75th Percentile 15.7
    Median 12.2
    25th Percentile 9.4

    Mean 18.6
    75th Percentile 22.3
    Median 17.6
    25th Percentile 14.7

    Mean 1.0
    75th Percentile 1.6
    Median 0.4
    25th Percentile 0

    Mean 1.0
    75th Percentile 1.5
    Median 0.6
    25th Percentile 0.1

    Mean 2.0
    75th Percentile 3.1
    Median 1.1
    25th Percentile 0.1

    Mean 0.071
    75th Percentile 0.120
    Median 0.079
    25th Percentile 0.028

    Mean -1.7
    75th Percentile 0.2
    Median -1.3
    25th Percentile -3.3

    Mean -0.7
    75th Percentile 0.7
    Median -0.6
    25th Percentile -1.9

    Mean -2.4
    75th Percentile 0.3
    Median -1.8
    25th Percentile -4.3

    Mean 0…

    Further comments. Players that played for more than one team have more than one entry in the data. I used the data as is. If the mean is significantly different from the median, then the distribution is skewed. I didn’t do statistical tests for signficance; to my judgement, the stats that are significantly skewed are FTr, ORB, TRB, AST%, BLK%, OWS, DWS, WS, OBPM, BPM and VORP. In these cases some players are really exceptional at the statistic in question, but their very high (or very low) statistic isn’t balanced numerically in the average by other players who have equivalently very low (or very high) statistic.

    I’m fully aware that KP is getting the max, and that what he brings to the table as the one potential superstar drafted in a long time is probably worth it on the business side.

    All I’m saying is that I disagree with the decision and I think that it’s far more risky / uncertain than people are making it out to be.

    Who is making it out to be not risky or certain?

    Maxing the best guy you have when he’s not worth it just because you’ve been terrible for a long while and don’t want to keep rebuilding is a bad decision

    There is no “good” or “bad” decision here. There is only your best guess vs. the best guess of others. I don’t think Strat or anyone else is saying KP should be maxed because we’ve “been terrible for a long while and don’t want to keep rebuilding.” What I’m hearing from Strat is that you can’t constantly make decisions out of fear of the worst-case scenario, especially with a guy that has demonstrated as much two-way potential as KP. I would guess that, given his size, age, and short period of record-setting dominance at the beginning of last year, the vast majority of GMs in the Knicks’ position (including Morey, Ainge, Ujiri and Buford) would rather max KP than trade him or lose him to free agency.

    But I too would rather max him than lose him for free. I would, however, rather trade him for an excellent package than max him, unless he really comes back from injury looking really good. I agree it’s clear there’s no right answer, at least yet, that’s why I’m giving my interpretation.

    I would, however, rather trade him for an excellent package than max him.

    I also don’t hear anyone calling KP untouchable. So yes, if the right package came along, by all means, trade him! In fact, I went on the record saying as much. Do you remember when it seemed that we were negotiating a trade with the Celts? See posts @234 nd @348 from this thread.

    The question is: what’s the right package? And when is the best time to entertain offers? It’s not a simple either-or question.

    Put another way, I don’t hear anyone suggesting that KP is a lock to be a bargain at the rookie-scale max, like AD or Durant or maybe even Embiid or Simmons. The question is, is he likely to retain enough market value over the course of the deal to justify the risk? In other words, will he be an asset in 4 years even at $25-30 million per? It’s a very tough call. Sure, he’s an “upside” guy at this point, but his upside is still legitimately an HOF-level player, and most analysts would agree with that. He’s young enough so that he will maintain that upside allure for at least 4 more years. And he’s clearly not ever going to be a total bust, or even an Andrew Wiggins-level overpay…he’s already been an above average NBA player even with his deficiencies.

    Sorry for rambling…(my wife thinks I’m watching Stepmom for the billionth time)…in a larger sense, there is unlikely to be any offers for KP until after he returns from injury and shows what he can do, nor is Perry likely to entertain any made under those buyer-friendly conditions, nor will either he or KP’s team be able to negotiate in good faith until then. So any serious discussion on this topic right now is all conjecture.

    @12 thanks for putting that together. I think it will be helpful.

    you’re welcome. I notice some other stats we use that aren’t there. As I get time, I will add to the list.

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