2016-17 Game Thread: Knicks vs. Hornets

It’s interesting, if the Knicks just trade Carmelo Anthony, I’d imagine that that would lead to a wholesale fire sale, in which case them winning tonight wouldn’t really matter.

That takes a bit of the edge off of what could otherwise be a scary game for the tank, since the Hornets are in a tailspin at the moment (like most Eastern Conference teams not named the Raptors or Wizards), so they could easily lose to the Knicks tonight on the road.

Let’s hope KP looks healthier tonight. If the Melo deal goes through, KP won’t be enough to keep the team from tanking, so we can start to root for him to play well.

Let’s go trade some guys, Knicks!

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213 thoughts to “2016-17 Game Thread: Knicks vs. Hornets”

  1. Continued from last thread……we suck, all our players suck, and we should trade them all for 1st round picks.

  2. ESPN(Ramona Shelburne) reporting that Knicks/Clippers looking for a third team to make the deal.

  3. ESPN reports that the Clippers and Knicks continue to discuss a deal that would ship Anthony to Los Angeles without returning any of the Clippers’ Big 3 to New York. But the teams have been unable to develop a trade that works for both parties, leading to the search for a third partner.

    A major factor in the disagreement, according to ESPN, is the Knicks’ unwillingness to take on the remainder of Crawford’s three-year, $42 million contract. In addition, the Clippers are hesitant to part ways with Redick, ESPN reports.

    > So it looks like Clips want to keep Redick or Knicks are unwilling to include Lee in deal?
    > I don’t understand how you rebuild but are unwilling to take Crawford’s contract for one year and then use the 3m buyout for the final year. Makes no sense.
    > Maybe NYK trying to get 3rd team to take Clip picks and Knicks get somebody sooner? Hezonja?

  4. Would two seconds be enough to get a team with cap space to take on Crawford? If so, have the Knicks and Clippers each pony up a pick and get this thing done. Unfortunately, you’d have to find a team that’s already decided to tank next year (besides us if we’re getting rid of Melo for picks four years down the road) and I don’t know who’d fit the bill.

  5. Brian Windhorst just said on ESPN that LeBron wants them to trade Melo but that the Cavs will want the Knicks to sweeten the deal by including some of the young bigs or future 1st rd picks. These Melo trade rumors has disaster written all over it.

  6. I never thought I’d actually be in favor of the Knicks acquiring a 37-year old Jamal Crawford, but here we are.

  7. There is still a really good chance that Phil fucks this up. I mean, really, you have to figure that it’s kind of likely that he fucks it up.

  8. This isn’t sounding like a rebuild but more and more like a simple salary dump and Phil’s gonna bring in the next DRose. Ugh

  9. This isn’t sounding like a rebuild but more and more like a simple salary dump and Phil’s gonna bring in the next DRose. Ugh

    It sounds like that could be a possibility (that this is more about getting rid of Melo rather than straight up rebuilding). This also could easily still be a straight up rebuild. We really won’t know until it happens (if it happens).

  10. You know what the Knicks really need?

    Cap space.

    “If I can just get some cap space, I’ll make this all work in Year 4. Just you watch!”

  11. Are people in favor of a deal that nets rivers and Crawford but no picks? I don’t see any point in that. Rivers is a pretty bad player, not worth his contract. Don’t be fooled by the improvement. I mean, some of it is real but he was awful before and now he has to shoot 41pct from 3 to be below average, which almost surely won’t last. Crawford is worse than half the D league starters at this point (very nice guy, feel bad saying that). I’d rather keep Melo as there’s a better chance you can get a little something for him in the offseason when teams realize their cap room is worthless.

  12. Brian Windhorst just said on ESPN that LeBron wants them to trade Melo but that the Cavs will want the Knicks to sweeten the deal by including some of the young bigs or future 1st rd picks. These Melo trade rumors has disaster written all over it.

    When you consider how old the planet is, Joakim Noah is pretty damn young.

  13. Are people in favor of a deal that nets rivers and Crawford but no picks? I don’t see any point in that. Rivers is a pretty bad player, not worth his contract. Don’t be fooled by the improvement. I mean, some of it is real but he was awful before and now he has to shoot 41pct from 3 to be below average, which almost surely won’t last. Crawford is worse than half the D league starters at this point (very nice guy, feel bad saying that). I’d rather keep Melo as there’s a better chance you can get a little something for him in the offseason when teams realize their cap room is worthless.

    That’d be a depressing deal and a pisspoor job of negotiating, but the team needs to lose Melo without adding good veterans so that the tank can happen and the rebuild can be pushed upon Phil. So if it came down to just Crawford and Rivers, I’d bite the bullet and do it. That’s the bar right there for an acceptable trade – a deal that gets rid of Melo without adding good veteran talent. Obviously I’d prefer them get a pick or two to make it an actual good deal, but at this point, I’ll accept the deal you mentioned. Just cut their losses. They already fucked things up by signing him in the first place, just cut their losses if they have to (“losses” in this sense is “being good enough to not tank,” that was always the awful part of signing Melo. Not that he was a bad player, but he wasn’t good enough to make them contenders, but he was good enough to keep them from tanking when he plays a full season – basically the worst of both worlds).

  14. Are people in favor of a deal that nets rivers and Crawford but no picks?

    Nope. That would be a laughable, F-minus trade. You definitely hold onto Melo and try to move him somewhere else at some other time if that’s all you can get in return for him.

    You gotta get a least a first rounder in the distant future.

  15. Nope. That would be a laughable, F-minus trade. You definitely hold onto Melo and try to move him somewhere else at some other time if that’s all you can get in return for him.

    It would be a laughable deal, of course, but you never know when the next time you can get rid of Melo. You have to take the opportunity.

  16. So Lebron wants us to trade the Cavs Melo, but we have to sweeten the deal, and in return we get . . .?

  17. So far I want no part of these trade rumors (assuming no Melo for Love trade). I would much rather keep Melo than do the Clippers crap and I definitely would much rather keep Melo than trade him plus other assets to the Cavs.

  18. Are people in favor of a deal that nets rivers and Crawford but no picks?

    Not even Isiah would do that trade! But Phil showed some interest in Rivers in the past so Rivers and some cap space to make some more dumb signings could be in our future.

  19. So Lebron wants us to trade the Cavs Melo, but we have to sweeten the deal, and in return we get . . .?

    I imagine it’d be Love in that scenario. Essentially, “We like Love enough that you have to give us something else of real value to make up the difference.”

  20. If LeBron wants one of our young bigs in a Carmelo for Love trade we have two very nice young bigs, O’Quinn and Plumlee. They can have both and a top twenty protected pick for next year that becomes a second rounder if our pick is too good.

  21. If it’s like Melo & Billy for Love I’d make that move and get on the phone to Boston

    Yeah, that’s another one where you probably do have to bite the bullet and do that deal. I mean, make sure Boston will give up the BK pick, of course, first, but those BK picks are so valuable, it’d be worth it. Even if it is the 2018 pick. Imagine next season with the Knicks tanking and also getting the BK pick? They could have two top 8 picks!

  22. Melo + OQ plus a 2nd or protected first for love is something I would do and call up boston immediately.

    Trading Willy makes me wary but if it nets me Fultz or Ball I’d probably do it. Plus that would free up space for us to draft a PF like Markannen at #8-10 so KP can play his natural position. I think Phil likes Willy a lot though and obviously KP likes having him on the team so I don’t think he’s gonna get traded.

    I think Phil intends to rebuild–all the media reports indicate that he’s building around KP, which would entail a 2 or 3 yr rebuild. I think he just has an aversion to taking on horrible contracts for some reason (other than the ones he signs on his own.) Or it could be a negotiating position.

  23. He very well could want to do a rebuild. We just won’t know until the deals are made. And yes, of course you try KOQ first before Billy, but if it came to Billy and one of those BK picks was the prize, that’s a hard thing to turn down.

  24. I mean, you could probably make an argument that Billy at his money is more valuable than Love, but I’m sure the league doesn’t see it that way. It’s an interesting proposal.

  25. I’d do Melo and O’Quinn for Love but no way do I trade Melo and Hernangomez and even less so if they have to send the Cavs a 1st rd pick too. That would be batshit insane.

  26. Anybody remember how everyone on this blog was when Donnie Walsh was able TO GET RID OF Jamal Crawford? We’ve really come full circle.

  27. I’d do Melo and O’Quinn for Love but no way do I trade Melo and Hernangomez and even less so if they have to send the Cavs a 1st rd pick too. That would be batshit insane.

    Oh yeah, certainly no pick. This team cannot trade first round picks in any of these deals. Heck, I’m still irked at the second rounder they dealt to Philly to dump Outlaw (which was an underrated terrible move).

  28. Is it batshit insane if we get Lauri Markannen and Markelle Fultz/Lonzo Ball for Billy Melo and a future first?

    that sounds fine.

  29. Anybody remember how everyone on this blog was when Donnie Walsh was able TO GET RID OF Jamal Crawford? We’ve really come full circle.

    And Zach Randolph! And then both guys got dealt again that very season!

  30. Anybody remember how everyone on this blog was when Donnie Walsh was able TO GET RID OF Jamal Crawford? We’ve really come full circle.

    It’s time to bring David Lee back home

  31. If LeBron is pressuring the Cavs that means they could become desperate in the last minute of the deadline, the Knicks should be the ones getting an extra young asset or 2 not the Cavs. For once let us take advantage of a somewhat desperate team and not the other way around.

  32. David Lee’s playing nicely! And Gallo and Chandler are Denver’s top two scorer (I know “pointzzz” are overrated).

  33. We’re better than Charlotte, Chicago, Indiana, the Pistons and the Celtics. So Why exactly are we considering tanking again?

  34. If they want to do a Melo for Love swap you don’t trade Willy. I would give up future picks, lottery protected of course, before trading Willy. Pretty much anything but KP, Willy and this years pick is on the table. I’m sure we can get it done if they are interested but Willy should be untouchable at this point. His value is not equal to his worth so any trade would be selling low.

  35. If Willy gets you the BK pick , I’d do it. But yes, not for anything less than that.

  36. And Zach Randolph! And then both guys got dealt again that very season!

    So weird. I recall those deals being done same day… we might’ve been better off keeping them rather than signing Felton and Stoudemire. That Azuibulke/Anthony Randolph/Turiaf for Lee trade could’ve been nice but it fizzled too.

  37. Look, Willy H is a decent prospect but you guys are getting carried away here. If you think Melo + Willy brings you Kevin Love, and that Kevin Love brings the Brooklyn pick, you absolutely do it. You’re dumping Melo’s contract, proceeding with the tank and exchanging a guy whose ceiling is “solid rotation player” for a top 4 pick in a loaded draft and the shot at a superstar.

    Three-way trade:
    Carmelo Anthony, Willy Hernangomez to CLE
    Kevin Love to BOS
    Amir Johnson, Tyler Zeller and BKN pick to NYK

  38. Look, Willy H is a decent prospect but you guys are getting carried away here. If you think Melo + Willy brings you Kevin Love, and that Kevin Love brings the Brooklyn pick, you absolutely do it. You’re dumping Melo’s contract, proceeding with the tank and exchanging a guy whose ceiling is “solid rotation player” for a top 4 pick in a loaded draft and the shot at a superstar.

    Three-way trade:
    Carmelo Anthony, Willy Hernangomez to CLE
    Kevin Love to BOS
    Amir Johnson, Tyler Zeller and BKN pick to NYK

    Yes, but again, only if the BK pick is on the table. Not for anything less than that.

  39. Continued from last thread……we suck, all our players suck, and we should trade them all for 1st round picks.

    yep, that about sums it all up…

    there are winners, losers and ties in trading (i have more incredibly insight in to other stuff too, which i’m sure i’ll share at some point – stay tuned)…2 out of three of those outcomes would be okay…go phil go…

  40. That Azuibulke/Anthony Randolph/Turiaf for Lee trade could’ve been nice but it fizzled too.

    The Azubuike injury was brutal. But the bigger thing was that that was a prototypical “GM and Coach not discussing the deal” trade. Walsh wanted Randolph but D’Antoni wanted nothing to do with him. D’Antoni could be such a stubborn dick at times.

  41. First off I think Willy’s ceiling is higher that “solid rotation player” at this point that looks like his floor. Second Boston will not for sure trade the Brooklyn pick this year for Love. Third the Brooklyn pick could be as bad as #4 and then we are giving up a lot for the #4 pick. Finally if Cleveland is willing to entertain the notion of Love for Melo you offer anything but Willy. Hell I would trade next years pick top 3 protected before I would trade Willy.

  42. Lonzo could be the next D’Angelo or Mudiay. Willy is looking like a keeper. Cavs could get KOQ or Amir Johnson in a deal. Makes no sense to include Willy in a deal.

  43. Second Boston will not for sure trade the Brooklyn pick this year for Love.

    So then you don’t do the deal. But if they will, then you do it.

  44. Willy isn’t just a solid rotation guy. He’s got serious upside, and the Knicks have him on a very sweet deal for 3 more years!

    O’Quinn? Okay, we can talk.

  45. Lebron can fuck off. I’d rather root for the Clippers with Melo much more than the Cavs with him.

  46. But yes, in general, Willy is pretty much off the table. Just in one very specific, unlikely scenario, he should be made available.

  47. Lonzo ball shoots 45 percent from 3 on high volume and has some of the best passing I’ve ever seen. He’s decent on defense and gets a fair number of steals

    He’s not d Angelo or mudiay–he’s the second best prospect in this loaded draft

  48. The draft is loaded and we’ll get a great young player without tanking. I say again.

  49. I think with how much we have hated on the franchise giving up young assets, there is no way we should be even considering it if it it doesn’t involve a couple of good picks. He fits what we want to do going forward so no need to move him yet IMO.

  50. I think with how much we have hated on the franchise giving up young assets, there is no way we should be even considering it if it it doesn’t involve a couple of good picks. He fits what we want to do going forward so no need to move him yet IMO.

    Giving up young assets for old assets (or worse, old shitty assets) is bad. This would be for a top four pick in a loaded draft, which is an even better young asset.

  51. I just think if they want Willy we can pivot to something else. I would trade two future picks (top 3 protected) before Willy. His numbers this year are amazing. He looks like the real deal.

  52. I agree with Brian that if you knew you could turn Melo and Billy into the Nets pick you have to snap do that

  53. I just think if they want Willy we can pivot to something else.

    I mean sure, you don’t, like, open with Willy. :) Of course you try to push them on KOQ. But if it comes down to Melo and Willy for the Nets pick or no deal, I do it. But just for that one specific asset. Otherwise, yes, hold on to Willy.

  54. Also I would rather watch a “road rules, where are they now?” special than watch derrick Rose play basketball

  55. Cavs could get both KOQ and Amir if we’d be willing to take JR’s contract.

    Melo, KOQ, Amir, Holiday, Kuz, Jennings to CLE
    Kevin to BOS
    JR, Felder, 2017 BKN pick to NYK

  56. If, IF, Lebron really wants Melo that bad, they’d settle for O’Quinn.
    :-)

    Wow, the Unicorn is back!

  57. We’d be insane not to trade Willy if we knew we could get the Nets’ pick. Totally insane. I wouldn’t do it for much else though.

  58. Lol good to see Quinton Richardson and Al Harrington at the game. Always good to get the legends back ha ha

  59. Just had a random Clyde flashback:

    “The grandeur of Shandon Anderson” (with an emphasis on the grand-, shand- and and-)

  60. We’d be insane not to trade Willy if we knew we could get the Nets’ pick. Totally insane. I wouldn’t do it for much else though.

    What about the BK 2018 pick? Still do it?

  61. hate to be the bearer of bad news – but, i don’t thinking “tanking” in the east is gonna be that easy…

  62. hate to be the bearer of bad news – but, i don’t thinking “tanking” in the east is gonna be that easy…

    No doubt about it. Which is why the only way they can do it is if they do a fire sale. And they can only do a fire sale by trading Melo.

  63. Phil has pulled the Zen magic from his back pocket. The team has come alive.

  64. Man the way refs call contact in the league has to be so frustrating for players. No wonder guys get frustrated, especially when guys get hammered in the paint and then Kemba goes the other end and initiates pretty soft contact like he did and gets an and 1

  65. If a third team gets involved in a Memo deal it’s likely to be a team like Portland that is under the salary floor and wants to add salary.

    I still don’t understand why we would want Love if we have KP. And I say no way to trading Hernangomez. Giving up young talent or acquiring old talent is exactly the opposite I f what we should be doing

  66. I don’t think Boston trades the Nets pick for Love. Next year maybe but I think they are keeping this years pick. I would not trade Willy for the Nets pick next year. It could easily be a #7 or# 8 pick if Lin is healthy and they play well. Too many variables to trade such a promising rookie.

  67. We’d have to make it a three way deal then. I think you can’t trade someone right after acquiring him.

  68. We’d have to make it a three way deal then. I think you can’t trade someone right after acquiring him.

    Yeah, it’d only be if they first heard from Boston that they’d move the Nets pick. If not, then don’t do the deal (the Melo/Willy deal, that is). I’d still take Love for Melo without Willy involved, as you can deal Love a few more places than you can deal Melo, so you should be able to get something good for him. Not Nets pick good, but still good.

    That said, just for the record, the only restrictions on re-dealing a player is that you can’t package them with other players if you deal them again and you can’t trade them back to the team that dealt them earlier in the season. So the Knicks could trade for Love now and wait to deal him closer to the deadline.

  69. Guys, no one is talking about giving up Willy for an old guy or whatever. We’re talking strictly about the Nets pick. You know, the one with the best odds to be the #1 overall pick. It definitely won’t happen, but if it was on the table it’d be a no brainer.

  70. Maybe this incentivizes us to trade Melo even more if we lose and Rose has a medium term injury

  71. We were never getting jackshit for Rose so it doesn’t matter, but this does make you wonder how much Melo should be playing…

  72. Sixers playing well again. I’m watching the ball movement and cuts in awe…. jojo hard to the rack for the stuff on Nene

  73. No one who sees this game would give us a number two draft choice for Melo.

  74. It really does look like a collection of guys who could all be useful for another team

  75. just got home in time for the 4th…just got a chance to watch the knick city dancers for the first time this season…that was cool…

  76. good job getting KP zero fga after his first good half in a while

    And then people wonder why he struggles. Between this and the way they ride him like a horse he gets the shit end of the stick.

  77. rose with a sprained ankle, there goes all hope for a tank…

    That little bitch can’t even be useful in helping us lose games when he need him to.

  78. I think that Holiday could play the point for us and do fairly well. He has ball handling skills and court vision. Tell him to play like his brother.

  79. Sacramento (18 wins) is beating Indiana by 3 points with less than two minutes left.

  80. I can’t fucking wait until Derek Rose and Jennings are gone so we can have a backcourt defense for once.

  81. Once again Melo has sucked the air out of all our hopes with his performance tonight.

  82. I understand you don’t want to force things, but I really feel Lee would be better if he just shot more, because he’s really good at it.

  83. Can we trade Courtney during this commercial break so he doesn’t ruin the tank and we get to sell high

  84. Melo really can’t stand it when his matchup defends him well and it hilariously compounds the problem

  85. I can’t believe we’re going to win this game and Melo looks like shit.

    Fuck me.

  86. Did anyone see how disgusted Courtney Lee was when the offense was just doing nothing waiting for Melo to get into position … I swore he had his hands out in one of those “what the fuck are we doing?”. And then Melo misses the terrible fade away. To be bailed out by a koq rebound and Lee 3. Serendipity

  87. hey noble…it does get real obvious, and, there’s not a chance you’re prying that ball out of his hands – good or bad…

  88. Fucking annoying they waited that long to get Kristaps a good chance after that first half.

    They’ve been freezing him out for ages.

  89. Eh it’s not a big deal. This makes Lee and O Quinn look good. Let’s hope Phil isn’t fooled by a close win. Melo to the Clippers!

  90. I’m just worried that Melo and/or Phil are looking for any excuse to not do shit. Both really seem to only be interested in making a move if it’s an absolute necessity.

  91. I’m just worried that Melo and/or Phil are looking for any excuse to not do shit. Both really seem to only be interested in making a move if it’s an absolute necessity.

    The press has already reported Phil committed to moving Smello. The die is cast.

  92. refs trying to trade melo too…that was funny…

    oh lord, I’m as giddy as a little girl at a dress up party…

    now, back to the business of trading anyone we can who’s over the age of 27…

  93. How much further along would KP be in his development if he played in a system that shared the ball and ran plays for him. 7-10 in the first half and then one shot in the second half. No wonder he sometimes just forces shit up and has bad like 1-7 starts. He knows that if he passes up a shot he might not touch the ball again for 5 possessions. In the first half after KP scored his 11 point and had almost all of our points we went 6 straight possessions where he didn’t even touch the ball.

  94. Melo is annoying because he’s too good for his team to tank and too bad for his team to thrive. He’ll heat up and win a certain number of games by himself, then go ice cold and lose games by himself.

  95. How much further along would KP be in his development if he played in a system that shared the ball and ran plays for him.

    If he played on a team like the Popovich Spurs offense with decent perimeter defenders he’d be an all-star this season. He’s not the type of player who can create his own shot yet and may never be because he’s a 7’3 man who is only going to become larger as he ages. He needs ball movement and to work within the flow of a team offense for his elite offensive skill to showcase. Its why Phil is fine building around him and probably wants to get rid of Melo sooner rather than later.

  96. You know who would make KP a much better player? Lonzo Ball.

    Too bad we won’t be that bad.

  97. @191

    I’ll take Ntilikina’s defense as a help. Derrick Rose is killing KP and the whole team on defense.

  98. Knick fans booing Melo might make him receptive to being traded to additional teams. We can only hope.

  99. This interest anyone:

    http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=zzu5gze

    Melo get to LeBron and brings Cleveland a legit back up point and O’Q as a replacement for Tristan Thompson.

    The Knicks get a perfect long term solution to the 4 spot allowing KP to play the 5 and sets up a young 3 man rotation at the 4/5 with WH-G for 2/3rds Melo’s cost with Noah picking up the odd match ups at the 5

  100. Would Houston want Melo? Might be a good fit and Morey went all out for him a couple of years ago…

  101. God Lonzo Ball sending half court alley oop passes to an open KP or a sweet needle-thread to a diving Willy off the pick and roll would really be something to watch

  102. Would Houston want Melo? Might be a good fit and Morey went all out for him a couple of years ago…

    I don’t know about now, but Melo was reportedly considering Houston and the Bulls before we mega-maxed him. Worth picking up the phone. But Melo and D’Antoni are still probably not on good terms.

  103. @193

    I bet Posting and Toasting got sand in its vagina when they heard the boo-birds.

  104. Melo isn’t going to play for D’Antoni again and I am sure the feeling is mutual. Nix that possibility from your lists.

  105. KP will hear the boo birds soon enough.

    He already heard them his first night as a Knick at the draft and it didn’t phase him one bit.

  106. I really can’t get behind booing Carmelo Anthony. He’s never publicly criticized the organization and he’s never gone AWOL, sat through injuries, or been a guy whose effort came into question. He’s the only guy on planet Earth that wants to play for the Knicks, and he’s donated to various organizations and charities around the city. However you feel about him as a player, he’s a good guy and has been dedicated to the team and this city. Booing him is pretty weak.

  107. @204

    Agree with most of that assessment. He seems like a generally good dude. However, do not agree that his effort has never come into question. The guy meanders on defense like someone who DGAF.

    He’s also selfish offensively and refuses to reduce his role as his skills have diminished. That’s not the mark of a great soldier.

  108. Carmelo seems like a good guy, a good father (despite having a job that takes him on the road 7 months a year) and an actual competitor. I like him for all of those things, despite thinking he’s perpetually overrated and is the primary reason that the Knicks have been largely awful for the last 6 years.

  109. Dude gets treated like garbage by the fans. They are super fickle with him at times. He’s had good moments here but I can’t wait til he goes to the Clippers

  110. Yeah, I feel bad for Melo. I wish he could’ve won in NY but it’s just not meant to be given his contract value, productivity, GM incompetence, etc. I like him a lot even though I don’t like his game.

  111. Feel bad for Melo? Really? He forced his way to a losing situation so he could play for more money in a large market, high pressure environment. And now he wants to complain when he’s been unfairly criticized for not living up to the expectations he’s created for himself here? Please. This guy was never cut out to play in NYC. He’s too sensitive about how he’s perceived to have ever been a match for this area. He should have stayed in Denver where expectations are more manageable the media is a lot less intrusive.

  112. In all my years of watching sports, “my” teams have won all of two championships.

    One was the 1986 Mets, when I was 14 years old. And the other was the Syracuse Orange team with Carmelo Anthony on it. So I have a soft spot for the guy, I really do. I met him once, shortly after the Orange won the Final Four, in the green room at Letterman. We chatted for a minute or two. He was very gracious and smiled a lot. You know what I said to him? “Now we just need you on the Knicks.” If I only knew.

    I wish his cult of personality wasn’t as big as it is, and I wish he wasn’t treated like a franchise player mega-star, because he’s always been a disappointment in that role. He’s Mark Aguirre, he’s Adrian Dantley (although AD was better), he’s Dominique Wilkins. He should have always been seen as a complementary player and not a centerpiece. In the franchise player role, he just falls short. His tenure here has just not been very fun for the most part. He’s not an aesthetically pleasing player and he’s not a blue-collar, lunch pail player either. He plays hard, at least on the offensive end, but he doesn’t play with a ton of joy. He doesn’t generate breathtaking highlight reel plays. The general expression on his face during games is one of annoyance. These years seem like one long extended drive to the rim into a double team, with Melo missing a layup in traffic and complaining about the no-call while the other team pushes the ball up the court.

    Even though I’ve been irritated with him at times, and even though the Melo years have been mostly a disappointment, it still saddens me that he got booed at the Garden. Everybody tried to make this thing work. It just didn’t.

  113. #212
    Couldn’t agree more on Melo not really being a franchise player. It’s not his temperament.

    I was at last night’s game and actually walked home to GCT with PxP guy Mike Crispino (super nice guy btw). I said it just feels like the Knicks have been a rotating collection of good talent but with no clear leader these past 5 years. He agreed, said it’s been Melo’s job to play that role but it’s not really his temperament. It’s just the way he is. Super good guy but not the type to get up and pissed off like you see D-wade doing in Chicago.

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