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Knicks Morning News (2017.02.27)

  • [SNY Knicks] Knicks assign Baker, Ndour, and Plumlee to Westchester
    (Sunday, February 26, 2017 2:39:05 PM)

    The Knicks have assigned Ron Baker, Maurice Ndour and Marshall Plumlee to Westchester, the team announced on Sunday.

  • [SNY Knicks] O’Quinn gives Knicks spark in win over 76ers
    (Sunday, February 26, 2017 10:40:21 AM)

    While Carmelo Anthony’s clutch points led the Knicks to a win over the 76ers on Saturday, Kyle O’Quinn gave the Knicks a spark off the bench in his 25 minutes of play.

  • [NYPost] Some Carmelo advice helped Willy Hernangomez turn a corner
    (Sunday, February 26, 2017 8:00:30 PM)

    The mind is a terrible thing to use. At least when you should be reacting. Just ask Knicks rookie center Willy Hernangomez. With Joakim Noah expected to miss an eighth straight game with a sore left hamstring Monday when the Raptors invade the Garden, Hernangomez likely will get another start. He has done well, starting…

  • [NYPost] The Knicks’ triangle is rising again, and so is Kurt Rambis
    (Sunday, February 26, 2017 12:29:41 PM)

    The Knicks sidestepped plunging into 13th place in the East on Carmelo Anthony’s last-second shot Saturday. They face a week that starts Monday with one of the best teams in the East, Toronto, and ends Sunday with the best team in the West, Golden State. So naturally a big topic of conversation was the triangle…

  • [NYDN] Knicks struggling to kick habit of blowing fourth-quarter leads
    (Sunday, February 26, 2017 7:06:36 PM)

    Why does it keep happening? Why can’t the Knicks pull away late it games? Is it nerves? Is it just bad luck?

  • [NY Newsday] Triangle offense shaping up as Knicks’ plan again
    (Sunday, February 26, 2017 7:38:10 PM)

    Carmelo Anthony still doesn’t want to say the word triangle, but he will play in the triangle as long as he’s in a Knicks uniform.

  • [ESPN] Monday’s Knicks News: Melo’s advice helped Hernangomez
    (Monday, February 27, 2017 5:04:58 AM)

    Monday’s Knicks News: Melo’s advice helped Hernangomez

  • [NYTimes] Advertising: Celebrity Endorsers Turn Political, and Keep Their Deals
    (Sunday, February 26, 2017 11:19:21 PM)

    Stephen Curry’s critical response to comments by the Under Armour chief executive about President Trump shows how the balance of commercial power has changed.

  • [NYTimes] For Navajo Team, a Season of Change and Challenge
    (Sunday, February 26, 2017 8:56:36 PM)

    As they pursued an Arizona title under a renowned coach, the Chinle Wildcats also considered whether their future rested beyond their starkly beautiful land.

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    207 comments on “Knicks Morning News (2017.02.27)

    1. Brian Cronin

      Looks like the Cavaliers are going to get Bogut. I figured that they’d be his choice, since they’re the most likely team to face his former team in the Finals.

    2. fmikieo

      At this point, it’s apparent to me that the Post, Daily News and Newsday just want to reap perpetual Knicks chaos. Not that the Knicks aren’t helping, either. But it’s not AS god-awful as the NY press/ESPN/Sporting News reports it as.

      Take the stories about the Knicks D, which is about 8 pts worse than last year. The press harps on that, while ignoring the fact that defense, league-wise, is about 8 points worse than last year. Even the Spurs are suffering this trend.

      Now, I’m not condoning the Knicks D, which needs a 3 and D high-assist facilitator at the point more than anything else. Just saying that the talking heads are intentionally leaving out the larger picture just to sell a story.

    3. Brian Cronin

      The Knicks’ defense was 18th in the league last year and is currently 25th in the league this year. Seems like the reporting on how bad the Knicks’ defense is has been pretty accurate.

    4. ptmilo

      The press harps on that, while ignoring the fact that defense, league-wise, is about 8 points worse than last year

      nope. the league is scoring only 2.8 more points per game and DTRG is ~2.2 worse vs last year.

    5. Accidentank 2017

      I think the Knicks’ terrible defense just goes to show you how perimeter oriented defense has become. I don’t think the Knicks have a bad defensive player in the front court by the metrics, but considering how terrible pretty much everyone not named Lee or Holiday has been on the perimeter our defense has struggled. I don’t know why we haven’t just assigned Lee/Holiday to guard all point guards. I bet they’d have a better time stopping P&Rs than Rose/Jennings.

    6. Accidentank 2017

      Bogut and D Will makes the Cavs a lot tougher and probably makes them a guarantee to come out of the East over my new favorite team up in Canada. They still lose to Golden State.

    7. Ambrosenyk

      If we’re talking about the media being delusional about the Knicks, we should start by pointing out the number of times Wally Szczerbiak has referred to Carmelo Anthony and Derrick Rose as “superstars”. Spoiler Alert: it’s a lot of times. If you think that type of rhetoric has slowed down with all the losing, you’d be wrong.

    8. Totes McGoats

      Randle’s free again. Someone needs to get in Phil’s ear and tell him to release Sasha so he can sign with the Spurs, Raptors, or Rockets- and snatch Randle back up.

    9. ptmilo

      if we had traded rose for rubio and the backcourt was rubio/lee/baker/randle it may have been npv negative bc lottery balls, but the last 20+ games would have been 1000X more fun to watch.

    10. Philmelo

      Is Jennings’ departure related to the Triangle re-emphasis on offense? Or did he just hate playing for such a shitty, dysfunctional team?

    11. wetbandit

      He said he wanted a playoff caliber team. Which we are definitely not.

      Also- Ndour, Baker, Plumlee recalled from D-League, maybe Phil sees the light?

    12. Philmelo

      Also- Ndour, Baker, Plumlee recalled from D-League, maybe Phil sees the light?

      Phil is maybe getting the message that this team must fully commit to its tank. He should have done this a while ago.

    13. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

      How Knicksy that instead of trading BJ at the deadline for literally any kind of asset we stand pat and release him just a few days after said trade deadline lol.

      Does this mean the Cavs might sign both D-Will and BJ?

    14. DRed

      Randle isn’t a point guard, but once we failed to move Jennings for anything at the deadline there was no point to keeping him around.

    15. alsep73

      How Knicksy that instead of trading BJ at the deadline for literally any kind of asset we stand pat and release him just a few days after said trade deadline lol.

      This assumes someone would’ve given us even a 2nd for him.

      Begley said on Jared Dubin’s podcast that he heard the Knicks were trying to package O’Quinn and Jennings together to get a first, and couldn’t find any takers. No idea if they attempted at some point to make calls on Jennings by himself.

    16. Philmelo

      Jennings was probably an added piece to throw into a Cleveland trade with Melo. Lame we didn’t get shit for him, but I wouldn’t be surprised if there wasn’t a team interested in trading a 2nd round pick for him.

    17. Philmelo

      Begley said on Jared Dubin’s podcast that he heard the Knicks were trying to package O’Quinn and Jennings together to get a first, and couldn’t find any takers.

      I think fans tend to overvalue their shitty players so I am not surprised about this at all. Though I am surprised no other team sees the value of an O’Quinn.

    18. Philmelo

      It’s going to suck to see the team improve now that BJ is not playing

      Believe it or not he has a higher WP/48 than Baker so I don’t see it happening.

    19. MSA

      Two good news on a monday morning?

      Thanks Phil!

      I hope Randle get a real opportunity to play. Not Jimmer Fredette type PT.

    20. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

      I mean I don’t mean to overvalue Jennings but a place like Cleveland had an obvious need for a playmaking PG. As did a few other teams. It’s not plausible that they could’ve prised away a late second for him from some playoff team.

    21. yellowboy90

      via SBondyNYDN
      Stefan Bondy: Knicks are waiving Brandon Jennings a day after Charley Rosen called him a “profound disappointment” who “resists the triangle.”

    22. yellowboy90

      I think fans tend to overvalue their shitty players so I am not surprised about this at all. Though I am surprised no other team sees the value of an O’Quinn.

      When Has Phil ever gotten a 1st when he packages bad with good. Hasn’t he learned his lesson?

    23. mase

      Randle is an improvement over bj… hurts the tank But helps long term as bj could’ve been re signed imho.

      When he signed with the fixers we all were pissed. Finally we get to see a guard we all wanted to suit up.

      Cut rose and sign trice, that’s a real tank move.

    24. Philmelo

      I mean I don’t mean to overvalue Jennings but a place like Cleveland had an obvious need for a playmaking PG.

      Why would Cleveland trade for Jennings straight up when they had an agreement to pick Deron Williams up off waivers?

    25. Philmelo

      When Has Phil ever gotten a 1st when he packages bad with good. Hasn’t he learned his lesson?

      I don’t get your point here.

    26. Frank

      I really, really don’t get the whole “let’s re-commit to the Triangle” thing. So weird.

      Do you really not get it?
      We are tanking. What’s the best way to tank? Play a system that sucks and that all the players hate.

    27. MSA

      If we couldn’t get a 1st for BJ and KOQ, I wouldn’t be too much concerned about losing him for nothing.

      I mean, almost every year we buy a second round pick with Dolan’s money. This year alone we have two.

      Cut him and move on.

    28. Bruno Almeida

      “resists the triangle”…

      damn, even good news about the Knicks have to come with a caveat.

    29. Philmelo

      This whole Triangle thing is superconfusing though. Does it mean Phil wants us to win or to lose more games? He believes in the Triangle so why would he think our tank would be aided by perfecting our execution out of it?

      Either way, this isn’t good if Phil is serious. It means Phil won’t be as interested in a traditional PG and might go for a combo type like Malik Monk. Ugh.

    30. Philmelo

      Via (Phil Jackson) Charley Rosen in an article yesterday:

      CARMELO ANTHONY is still a terrific shooter/scorer, but as noted in many sources his penchant for holding the ball before making a decision often has negative effects. Making by-standers of his teammates. Interrupting any semblance of a flow. Enabling the defense to make adjustments. Hindering the development of the team’s young players. Plus, Melo hardly plays any defense.

      BRANDON JENNINGS is another player who resists the triangle. Indeed, Jennings only wants to do what he does best, i.e., run screen/rolls. His erratic play has also made him a profound disappointment.

    31. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

      @31

      Oh thought the D-Will stuff came up after the trade deadline, not before it.

    32. mase

      Where Rosen loses credibility is his blatant lack of criticism for all thing Phil.

      He throws players under the bus like he is a decorated h.o.f. Player yet zero criticism of Phil and his poor long term signings.

      Why does he feel so entitled ?

      It’s not journalism.

    33. Philmelo

      BWAHAHAHAHAHA:

      DERRICK ROSE can still get to the rim and finish in rush-hour traffic as well as anybody in the league who’s not LeBron James. If Rose’s shooting is erratic, he makes enough jumpers to keep the defense honest.

      What Rose doesn’t do is play alert defense and function as a playmaker.

      It has been noted that the upcoming draft is top-heavy with blue-chip point guards.

    34. Philmelo

      Oh thought the D-Will stuff came up after the trade deadline, not before it.

      Nah, it was rumored on the day of the deadline.

    35. Philmelo

      All in all, there’s sufficient talent for the Knicks to be better than they are. One of the problems is that they have a losing attitude. No matter how big a fourth quarter lead they have, they’re expecting the worst. How are they going to blow this game this time?

      The basic problem, though, is that there are too many players who don’t put out maximum effort unless they have the ball in hands.

      That’s why major changes have to be made and that’s why, starting on July 1, Phil Jackson will have his phone stuck to his ear and lots of under-the-cap money to spend.

      Oh boy…

    36. mase

      If your Phil why not make a ‘behind closed door’ deal by releasing rose and letting a team know to return the favor of draft day… is he afraid the f.c.c. Will ending for insider trading?

    37. yellowboy90

      Monk is probably a more athletic C.J. McCollum or shorter Bradley Beal. He lit up my Gators on Saturday with some help from the refs. I am not too fond of his game but I do like that he can run off multiple screens and square his body up.

    38. Ambrosenyk

      I’m waiting for the day sports journalists give real, empirical analysis to back up their arguments instead of this eye testy drivel that gets masqueraded as news.

    39. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

      @38

      Less “Phil will have a phone stick to his ear” and more “Steve Mills receiving voice mails from other GMs and Phil who’s in Montana on a vision quest”

    40. Philmelo

      The basic problem, though, is that there are too many players who don’t put out maximum effort unless they have the ball in hands.

      Can we all agree at least that (Phil) Charley is taking a shot at D-Rose and Melo in this sentence?

    41. er

      Can we all agree at least that (Phil) Charley is taking a shot at Derrick and Melo in this sentence?

      U want a cookie?

    42. d-mar

      DERRICK ROSE can still get to the rim and finish in rush-hour traffic as well as anybody in the league who’s not LeBron James, Russell Westbrook, Kawhi Leonard, Kevin Durant and too many other top NBA players to name

      Fixed that for Charlie

    43. yellowboy90

      Monk gives me a Monta Ellis feel. I can’t stand Monta Ellis.

      Ellis is a shorter Derrick Rose. Monk can actually shoot. He is probably a better shooter at his age than McCollum and Beal were. I just don’t like that he doesn’t do anything else on the court besides score.

    44. er

      Im good. Please stop posting Rosens piece and trying to do reading comprehension. We are not your 3rd grade english class. We understand what he means

    45. Bruno Almeida

      and some non-top players too…

      the thing about Rosen is that either he knows nothing about basketball, or he just echoes what Phil thinks and then we have an even bigger problem, which is our GM thinking Rose is elite at finishing at the rim.

      I’m honestly tired of hearing this bullsht about effort.. yes, this team gives zero effort and it sucks, but the Knicks lose because we have bad players, period. Jennings didn’t suck because he didn’t buy into the triangle bs, he sucked because he’s a bad player and has always been.

    46. Philmelo

      I just don’t like that he doesn’t do anything else on the court besides score.

      Well, after reading (Phil’s) Rosen’s article I think we shouldn’t be too worried after all. If his criticism is that players like Rose and Melo don’t offer enough to this team when the ball isn’t in their hands, he’ll probably pass on someone like Monk who is cast in the same hoggish mold.

    47. Philmelo

      I’m honestly tired of hearing this bullsht about effort.. yes, this team gives zero effort and it sucks, but the Knicks lose because we have bad players, period.

      That’s the scariest part of that entire article, illustrated in the concluding paragraph’s final analysis. That (Phil) Rosen would think this is a more talented team than its record indicates is laughable. And the idea that someone with that opinion is signaling the existence of greater cap space to remodel it again in free agency makes me very concerned about the kind of signings he’s looking to make.

    48. Ambrosenyk

      It’s not just Phil that buys in to the “but we have so much talent” meme. I mean, Derrick Rose is a former MVP. How could the Knicks be so bad? Blame effort!

    49. yellowboy90

      Well, after reading (Phil’s) Rosen’s article I think we shouldn’t be too worried after all. If his criticism is that players like Rose and Melo don’t offer enough to this team when the ball isn’t in their hands, he’ll probably pass on someone like Monk who is cast in the same hoggish mold.

      Nope still worried, Phil will probably draft Monk and then brag about his ability to do more than just shoot.lol

    50. Philmelo

      @60

      I mean, Derrick Rose is a former MVP. How could the Knicks be so bad? Blame effort!

      Which is ironic since he’s one of the lowest energy guys on this team when the rock isn’t in his possession. Essentially his argument is that he needs a slave driver like Thibedeau to harangue him into giving his maximum effort.

    51. Philmelo

      Nope still worried, Phil will probably draft Monk and then brag about his ability to do more than just shoot.lol

      Let’s give respect to Clarence Gaines Jr. He’s got one of the best eyes for young basketball talent out there in the NBA.

    52. Bruno Almeida

      that’s the scary part, I agree with ras.

      but again, that’s what I hate the most about the Phil Jackson tenure so far: we have no freaking idea at all if what Rosen says is what Phil actually thinks, or if i is zen mind-game bullshit, or him trying to light a fire under someone, or diss someone… the deadline has come and gone and we are still 100% in the dark about what our GM even thinks about his own team, and his team seems completely in the dark too.

    53. Nick C.

      Of course who brought in or gave a NTC to all these players being criticized. That point goes unmentioned, but there is glee at the same person having money to spend in July. It’s like a hamster wheel

    54. TheOakmanCometh

      I’m not TOO worried about Phil drafting the wrong player. His draft history to this point has been half decent.

      4: Zingis — A
      19: Grant — C-
      34: Cleanthony — D
      35: Willy — A
      51: Thanasis — D

      I AM worried about what he will do with our cap space, however.

    55. Z-man

      If as Isola suggested this am Cleveland cuts Kay Felder to make room for Bogut, I hope we swoop in and grab him (cutting Rose, Sasha, Plumlee or Ndour would be OK with me.). Felder is gonna be good someday.

    56. stratomatic

      At this point, it’s apparent to me that the Post, Daily News and Newsday just want to reap perpetual Knicks chaos. Not that the Knicks aren’t helping, either. But it’s not AS god-awful as the NY press/ESPN/Sporting News reports it as.

      If you develop a very significant level of expertise at any subject at all, you will quickly realize the media is full of bozos that know very little about what they are getting paid to write about. In some areas they thrive on creating controversy and chaos. There’s a reason so many people hate the press.

      All that said, media contributors on this forum are the kinds of exceptions you look for.

    57. ptmilo

      Charley Phil’son is still the worst. He thinks that Lance Thomas is an “incredibly valuable player,” that the most average player in the NBA (Courtney Lee) is the most underrated player in the NBA, and that the only thing standing between Sasha and NBA relevance is the triangle offense. But I’ll give him this. It seems to be conventional wisdom that Willy has great hands, and I don’t see it. He is the first person I’ve seen take the other side on that. Also, everyone always says that Kuz is a good long range shooter, but is there any actual evidence for that?

    58. Frank

      lol no way, Z-man wants us to pick up Kay Felder? =)

      I am deathly afraid of what Phil has planned for this summer outside the draft.
      My feeling is that it will be VERY difficult for him to recruit any impactful FA due mostly to self-inflicted wounds — his obsession with the Triangle, his overarching arrogance about everything, his unnecessary shot at Lebron, how he’s treated Melo, and honestly, how he is too much of a chicken to talk to the fans without going through a loser BFF in Charley Rosen.

      What will that mean? What smart teams who can’t sign FAs do is either look for value signings late in the FA process (see: Seth Curry for example) or give up on signing guys in order to trade cap space for assets like picks. I get zero impression that is his plan. It seems more likely we will pay market value or above for players who won’t move the needle at all.

      My hope?

      Melo gets traded this summer – it’s better for him and better for us.

      My impression of the draft is there are probably 2 tiers of guys in the top 10– Fultz+Ball+Josh Jackson+Isaac / Dennis Smith+Monk+Fox+Tatum+Ntilikina+Markanen. It would be amazing if we could somehow get into that top tier.

      We go full-scale rebuild, using our $20+MM in cap space either to take on (short-term) contracts (and get picks back) so other teams can waste their money on FAs, or for us to make big strikes at the youngest RFAs on a lowest tier max – like Otto Porter or KCP. I doubt either of them would want to come (or not be matched), but it’s worth a try.

      But what we’ll probably do is sign Jeff Teague for $22MM/year.

    59. JK47

      Okay, cool, so the team is not very good because it does not Triangle hard enough. A return to more strict Triangling will certainly get the Knicks back on track to contender status.

      Two more years of this shit.

    60. thenoblefacehumper

      For all of Jennings’ flaws, he was still probably the best point guard on our roster. This is very good news for the tank…unless Randle wins this years’ Langston Galloway award for the player who is supposed to help us lose but fucks around and wins us a few games.

    61. JK47

      We go full-scale rebuild, using our $20+MM in cap space either to take on (short-term) contracts (and get picks back) so other teams can waste their money on FAs, or for us to make big strikes at the youngest RFAs on a lowest tier max – like Otto Porter or KCP. I doubt either of them would want to come (or not be matched), but it’s worth a try.

      No need to rebuild. All the Knicks need to do is:
      1. Play more triangle
      2. ??????????
      3. Champtionships

    62. thenoblefacehumper

      Since Charley Rosen’s third-rate writing seems to be the only way Phil is willing to communicate his plan, it’s pretty terrifying that the cap space is mentioned. I mean, even the “don’t tank!” crowd on here is hard-pressed to find a single (realistic) free agent this offseason they’d want to sign. I’d want a JaMychal Green offer sheet and literally nothing else.

      The shitty part about there not being many free agents is that means less teams urgently looking to unload contracts for draft picks. Hopefully someone thinks they can sign Blake Griffin or something.

    63. d-mar

      I mean, even the “don’t tank!” crowd on here is hard-pressed to find a single (realistic) free agent this offseason they’d want to sign.

      Would you give Otto Porter a max deal?

    64. stratomatic

      Winning and losing is partly mental.

      No matter how good you are, there are going to be times when things aren’t going your way due to circumstances out of your control. In basketball it may be injuries, the randomness in making shots, a few bad calls that turned a game etc… When things are going poorly it is very easy to sulk, give up, and start expecting bad things to happen. That will turn what was random into something you are doing to yourself. We even feel it as fans.

      How many people started expecting the Knicks to blow that game against the 76er when they started chipping into the lead late in the 4th quarter?

      I’m here raising my hand. lol

      One of the many things that separates the winner from the loser is how you handle adversity and success. Winning requires mental strength.

      The Knicks are mentally in a very dark place now because they did not handle the initial adversity well.

    65. thenoblefacehumper

      Would you give Otto Porter a max deal?

      Absolutely, but Washington will match everything and anything. I’d give him the offer sheet because you never know but it would just tie up our space for three days.

    66. bobneptune

      Randle isn’t a point guard, but once we failed to move Jennings for anything at the deadline there was no point to keeping him around.

      Is it possible there wasn’t an offer of a second round pick out there?

    67. ptmilo

      Porter will almost surely get max and matched. What will Noel get? If he gets a max offer, was the Philly trade still terrible at the time it was made?

    68. Frank

      Yikes – Embiid out indefinitely with swelling in some lower leg part. some reports say knee, some say foot?

    69. thenoblefacehumper

      Porter will almost surely get max and matched. What will Noel get? If he gets a max offer, was the Philly trade still terrible at the time it was made?

      I think so just because it would’ve been worth the risk for Philly to test his market. They already have infinite second round picks, what’s two more?

      That’s also assuming giving him his max would’ve been a bad idea for Philly, which I don’t think it would’ve been if he keeps up his current level of play.

    70. swiftandabundant

      Damn this site is bleak right now. Everyone needs a little sunshine.

      We just cut a vet who most likely would not be back here next year and brought back a rookie we all kind of wanted at the beginning of the year. Progress.

      We have a draft pick this year that could be in the top 10 or top 8 or maybe even top 5. Wherever we end up picking, can we all at least agree to give the kid a chance?

      We have no idea what Phil is planning on doing this off season. I get people are mad nothing went down at the trade deadline but honestly wouldn’t you rather that happen than a bad trade, which could have happened too? I would posit Phil’s silence could be a good thing. It could mean he’s reevaluating (and how couldn’t he) what direction to take the team in. If he thought this current team was just a piece or two away from being good, I feel like there would be more chatter or noise about that. You could interpret his silence in a good way. IE, he’s gonna tear this shit down in the off season, trade Melo, etc…and really rebuild but he’s keeping quiet about it. Trading Melo after the Cavs and Clippers lose in the off season will be much easier. Melo has time to move his family and actually have a training camp to acclimate to a new team (and we have a training camp to build a new team post Melo).

      Hey, I get it. We suck and Phil went all in this year on the veteran team and we’re probably stuck with Noah even if we go full rebuild. But the flip side is that now he can say to Dolan “Look, I really tried to build around Melo. I brought in Derrick Rose and Noah and Courtney Lee and it still didn’t work. Now let me trade him and build around Zinger and our picks.”

      And that’s the thing. 3 years and 2 of those years he had no first round picks. A real youth rebuild wasn’t really possible until now. But now we got Zinger, Willie H, a possible top ten pick this year, and two second rounders. Now if he wants to go that way he really can cause we got our picks…

    71. swiftandabundant

      Adding to my last post – not pulling the trigger on a Rubio deal to me indicates Phil really wants to rebuild. He was asking for another piece and supposedly The Twolves balked at that and then had second thoughts about Rose. But to me that’s good. He wanted that extra piece — a draft pick or young player and wasn’t just trying to upgrade the PG spot to make a playoff push. I kind of wanted Rubio regardless but I can interpret us not getting him cause Phil wanted an extra piece as a sign that Phil wants to rebuild over trying to build on this current roster.

    72. Frank

      So what do people think about Markkanen?

      I know we have about 100 bigs, but imagine trying to defend KP and Markkanen if you’re a defense? 2 7-footers who can move and shoot from beyond the arc?

      Defensively it might be bad. (would be bad)

    73. er

      Yikes – Embiid out indefinitely with swelling in some lower leg part. some reports say knee, some say foot?

      Damn. I think Philly, isnt in that good of shape. Embiid cant even play a half season. This is year 3 of his rookie deal already. He could turn into an albatross like Stat

    74. thenoblefacehumper

      So what do people think about Markkanen?

      No. No. No. A million times no. He’s good at all the things that don’t translate well to the NBA and bad at all the ones that do. I’d prefer Miles Bridges, even though he’s Miles Bridges. Hard pass.

    75. stratomatic

      I’d probably give Otto Porter a max contract. There’s probably some small risk he doesn’t sustain his current level of play because he hasn’t done it quite long enough to be certain, but the trend line and his age suggest he’s on an upswing and likely to be very valuable going forward. Even if he doesn’t improve further or can’t even sustain his his current level he’s still a good player.

    76. TheOakmanCometh

      Speaking of albatrosses…. is it bad that our highly-paid 32-year-old center is having knee surgery in the first year of a 4-year deal?

    77. thenamestsam

      I feel bad for Noah who clearly wants badly to play and is really competitive. His body has just completely betrayed him. I feel less bad for Phil who signed a 31 year old C with known health issues and horrific trend lines to a big money 4-year deal. It had been a couple years since any Knicks had been on the worst contracts in the NBA lists. Feels good to reclaim our rightful crown.

    78. JK47

      Gee, what do you know, the people who pointed and laughed hysterically at the Joakim Noah signing turned out to be 100% right. Shocker.

    79. TheOakmanCometh

      In Phil’s defense, who could have expected that an older big man with a history of injuries and high minutes would suffer a serious injury? Who, I ask you? Who????

    80. stratomatic

      Embiid’s health is what made the Nerlens Noel trade so catastrophically dumb. First, they didn’t even get back anywhere near fair value. Noel is already a terrific player. But now, if Embiid goes down all they have is Okafor. Okafor may turn out to be good, but that’s still a very big IF. They could easily go from having 2 solid big men and a good prospect to needing a big man in a couple of years.

    81. Frank

      No. No. No. A million times no. He’s good at all the things that don’t translate well to the NBA and bad at all the ones that do. I’d prefer Miles Bridges, even though he’s Miles Bridges. Hard pass.

      Shooting 45% from 3 point range with a lightning quick release (like way faster than KP), ability to score running off screens, attack closeouts, good body control — these things don’t translate?

      I get the defensive stuff and him being a subpar rebounder and bad shot blocker. And in general I think it’d be a very poor use of a high draft pick given the current roster (KP+Willy). But I sorta remember a guy named Dirk who wasn’t good at those things either, and he turned out ok.

      I mean KP has the potential of being a great shooter in terms of feet, shooting form, etc, but this hasn’t fully come to fruition yet. Of course KP has the rim protection talent that Markkanen will never have. But this guy Markkanen is a GREAT shooter.

    82. Frank

      I don’t think anyone here actually thought that Noah contract was a good one.

      If I remember correctly, I was cautiously optimistic that he could give us a couple good years, but that the contract itself was awful. Looks like I was overoptimistic on that by a couple years.

    83. Hugo Busto

      stratomatic,

      yup the latest sixers deal is terrible. mavs will resign noel as a restricted free agent. sixers would have been better just matching whatever offer and keeping him as a asset on a value deal.

      also who really knows if embiid is healthy or not. this is the arms race for tank time. and sixers are super shady with their injury reporting. and also embiid is smart enough to trust the process

    84. stratomatic

      The problem with signing Noah was not taking a shot that he could be a legitimate contributor once they made the terrible decisions to trade for Rose and needed someone to replace Lopez. It was the price and years. If they got him for 28m over 2 years or worse 42m over 3, it would have been a disappointing move year, but not really big deal. 4 years at his price was idiotic and everyone everywhere knew it except for Phil.

    85. JK47

      I’m not sure Team Pessimist was pessimistic enough about this past offseason.

      I’m one of the more noted pessimists here, and I thought this team might win around 39 games because they might be able to squeeze one decent season out of Joakim Noah before he broke down completely. I thought this might be a kinda okay defensive team.

      So, yeah.

    86. TheOakmanCometh

      When we made the Rose trade, I graded it an F. When we signed Noah, I graded it a D-. So many others on this site and around the basketball world didn’t understand those moves at all.

      Now look what’s happened. In the most predictable outcomes ever, Rose has been terrible and Noah is ineffective AND injured. It’s the Bargnani trade all over again. Our team makes these moves that are horrible at the moment they’re made, and all we can do is scream “NOOOOOOO” through the window as we watch. The level of blatant stupidity is devastating.

      STOP GETTING SCAMMED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    87. thenamestsam

      I’m one of the more noted pessimists here, and I thought this team might win around 39 games because they might be able to squeeze one decent season out of Joakim Noah before he broke down completely.

      Maybe the dumbest thing about the signing was that as you point out, even if it had worked out the way it was supposed to – good production on the front end before he fell of a cliff – the team was going to be too bad to make real use of the good production anyway since it would only lift them to meidocrity. So, so stupid.

    88. Frank

      looks like I better start writing another open letter to Dolan.

      Phil really needs to be fired.

      3 FA signings this offseason — one sucks/terrible contract/out for year. another waived. a 3rd is a good player that doesn’t move the needle.

      A disastrous Rose trade (although I do like Justin Holiday and would like to bring him back at $6-7MM/year).

      And of course, we’re back to emphasizing the Triangle (although honestly this might just be Hornacek trying to accelerate the Tank)

      Just awful.

    89. yellowboy90

      Isola saying there is chatter Rose might be next. Red weddding situation at msg.

      Soon as I read this I thought of Arya coming back feeding Phil some Rambis pie

    90. DRed

      Maybe, uh, the knee problems were what was keeping Noah from playing well this year and with a long offseason of rest he’ll be make to his all-defensive form next year.

    91. TheOakmanCometh

      Never fear, Phil has a backup plan at center. He’s going to scoop Roy Hibbert up for the bargain price of $54 mil over 4 years. He’s so big, and made some clutch plays in the 2013 playoffs!

    92. Bruno Almeida

      please, Rose can’t leave.

      if Noah is done for the season, Rose is going to need to go all Daenerys riding the Dragon Tank for this season to be anything worthy.

    93. d-mar

      Maybe, uh, the knee problems were what was keeping Noah from playing well this year and with a long offseason of rest he’ll be make to his all-defensive form next year.

      I can’t tell if you’re being cynical or trying to find a ray of light in this pitch black doomscape called the Knicks.

    94. Totes McGoats

      Anyone here who bashes Phil for the rest of the season needs to be immediately banned lol. Jennings waived, Randle signed, and Noah having surgery are the 2nd best things to happen under Phil’s tenure. I will be watching games again this season. More Willy/KOQ/Plumlee/Ndour/Baker/Randle please, and thank you

    95. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

      There has never been a GM as good at Accidentanking as Phil Jackson

      In other sad news, KP now has a lower WS/48, BPM, and VORP than he did during his rookie season.

      I’m scared.

    96. Cock Jowles, All-In on Miles Bridges

      It’s funny because Carmelo has woman parts. Get it? He’s weak and he has ovaries, like a woman. Ha ha! Got ya, Melo!

    97. iserp

      I’m one of the more noted pessimists here, and I thought this team might win around 39 games because they might be able to squeeze one decent season out of Joakim Noah before he broke down completely. I thought this might be a kinda okay defensive team.

      So, yeah.

      I am an ‘optimist’ and thought we would reach 43 wins because Noah would be injured and we would play a nice brand of smallball, xD

    98. Totes McGoats

      We need to invent a fake Melo injury now.

      Carmelo Anthony — DNP (sprained ovary)

      Best.
      Comment.
      EVER!

    99. chrisk06811

      so, we are going to lose tonight, so is Philly. But, Dal and Min might both win, tying us at 24 wins. Then, our next 4 are GS, Orlando twice, Philly once. OH how we need to get swept.

    100. Bruno Almeida

      Comparing Melo’s brand of uninspired basketball to women stereotypes is surely offensive… to women.

      oh I’m an sjw, sorry, so ignore me.

    101. bidiong

      No Jowels, it’s funny because obviously he doesn’t have ovaries. Way to take it to misogyny though.

    102. KJG

      Sound advice from Melo to our budding big….

      “Melo told me, ‘Just shoot. If you miss, you miss, if you make you make. But that’s basketball.’ So some days in the beginning I feel pressure if I miss or make a mistake. But I have to still just play basketball and enjoy it,” said Hernangomez.

    103. Cock Jowles, All-In on Miles Bridges

      It’s funny because he’s not really a woman, but his woman parts are injured so he can’t play basketball! Ha ha ha ha ha ha! So good. I love it.

      DNP-Vagina Is Bleeding

      haha get it because he DOESN”T have a vagina? hahahahahaha so good

      it’s ONLY misogyny if we all agree it is, right? haha amazing, so funny, I love the wit

    104. bidiong

      Obviously this basketball blog is holding all women back. Glad you’re here to point it out.
      :-) Don’t know what we’d do without your genius Jowels.

    105. swiftandabundant

      Off topic but does anyone else find it annoying now that teams cut/waive decent players and they all join up on contenders to ring chase? No other sport does this. I get why it happens…curry favor with free agents and agents/managers but its still kind of whack. I know it also helps the playoff ratings probably cause casual fans see more stars they recognize on the teams competing. But still. A team plays with one group the whole season and then adds a bunch of hired guns during the last stretch of the season. I don’t know. Kind of lame.

    106. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

      If the world was just Willy would

      Saric or Brogdon is what I’d put my money on tho

    107. TheOakmanCometh

      @136

      bidiong is right. The joke was that he’s out with an injury to a body part he doesn’t have — hence the fake injury. It has nothing to do with being a woman. Frankly, Jowles, I don’t even know where you got that. Melo’s game is annoying, but there’s nothing “weak” or feminine about it, so that joke wouldn’t make sense.

    108. er

      Saric will probably take ROY based on pointzz.

      Ha , except that the media loves Billy. Now he will start the rest of the season. SMH

    109. er

      bidiong is right. The joke was that he’s out with an injury to a body part he doesn’t have — hence the fake injury. It has nothing to do with being a woman

      Right. Men have ovaries tooooooo!

    110. the don nelson era

      That might be true if Jennings were still here but there wouldn’t be a suitable lead guard on the roster (to the extent that Rose even is). If Rose goes, we might even see some more Point Sasha

    111. Bruno Almeida

      @148

      no, because his backups manage somehow to be about as bad he is.

      but nice attempt at creating a future “told you so pessimists!!!!”

    112. er

      no, because his backups manage somehow to be about as bad he is.

      but nice attempt at creating a future “told you so pessimists!!!!”

      Nah it was a joke……

    113. Cock Jowles, All-In on Miles Bridges

      A team plays with one group the whole season and then adds a bunch of hired guns during the last stretch of the season. I don’t know. Kind of lame.

      Are you really concerned about Jose Calderon, Andrew Bogut and Deron Williams joining playoff teams?

      1) Calderon is 35 and probably doesn’t make an NBA roster next season unless he’s willing to play in Charlotte or Milwaukee for the vet’s minimum. On the Warriors, he will probably total more 3PA than dribbles. Like, individual bounces on the court. He’s being paid to stand in the corner and hit the open threes that Ian Clark and Pat McCaw routinely miss. Who cares?

      2) Deron Williams is 32 and washed up and has been for years. He’s so bad that the Nets are paying him an estimated >$25M to not play basketball for them. Who cares?

      3) Bogut has a TS of 46% this year and, again, he is old and probably receives a tiny contract this offseason if he stays healthy. He’s going to get like 10 MPG in the playoffs. Who cares?

      Also, there are roster-based reasons that the releasing teams are doing what they’re doing. It’s not the Sixers trying to do a favor to Bogut, a player who’s never played a minute for them, and is over 10 years older than the kinds of players they want on their roster. They don’t want him.

    114. Accidentank 2017

      The Knicks should officially issue a trigonometry test to every player right now. If you fail, it’s a DNP – Failed Trig.

      The only guys who would play are probably Maurice Ndour, Courtney Lee, Justin Holiday, Marshall Plumlee, Ron Baker, and Lance Thomas. They did 4 years of college.

    115. Accidentank 2017

      Joakim Noah won’t retire unless he has a life threatening injury.

      Would you quit your job if they paid you $18M to wear a suit?

    116. Philmelo

      I am kind of digging that rumor about Rose being cut. It comes a few days after B.J. Armstrong tried to cover up his client’s joke about going to Chicago by expressing a commitment to stay with New York. What an F.U. to that camp. That kind of disrespect is a great way to mess with their free agent valuation. Basically, its Phil telling them that he can’t wait to get rid of them so badly he’d rather play Chassan Randle and Ron Baker instead.

    117. mase

      he only played 46 games…what could phil have been thinking giving him 4 years and twice what anyone else was willing to pay. he really owes the fans an explanation for that contract.

      very confusing considering he signed lopez a durable player and fairly reasonable contract. hindsight is 20-20 but no one in their right mind would have given noah anything more than 3 years; the amount is just as worse as the length of the deal.

    118. nicos

      No way Rose would ask for a release himself- he knows you get paid for pointz and going to a contender would mean being a backup/limited minutes. And Phil releasing him would make that trade (and Phil) look worse than it already does. No, I think Rose will finish out the season here- probably increasing his usage by trying to pad his own stats as best he can- and keeping the tank firmly in effect.

    119. thenoblefacehumper

      Looking bad at the Rose trade threads with the knowledge that he might get waived is hilarious. My personal favorite argument is that Chris Paul will see how good we are with Derrick Rose and long to be his replacement.

    120. Accidentank 2017

      I always have a glimmer of hope that Dolan will fire Phil and hire somebody who is more basketball smart than famous.

    121. KJG

      did anyone else get the impression that jennings wasnt as “bad” of a guy as he seemed to be elsewhere… he always came off as a hardcore malcontent, who couldnt be tamed on the court… but it didnt seem that way here… seemed like he just wanted to win, didnt mind coming off the bench, and didnt really care for all the bull shit that surrounds this train wreck…

      and no, i didnt agree with his shot selection…

    122. Philmelo

      Jennings was a guy who was committed to winning in his own way. I think he could have been more critical and accountable to his own play on the court, especially as it related to his poor halfcourt perimeter defense and offensive choices. But he didn’t mince words about how mediocre and flawed this team was. I respected him for that.

    123. TheOakmanCometh

      @159

      mase, I really believe the contract was a direct result of Noah visiting Phil in Montana. Once he showed up at Phil’s door to kiss the ring and praise the triangle, he got to name his price.

      Jeff Teague should book a ticket to Montana this summer. Join Phil for one vision quest and a max offer is sure to follow.

    124. Frank

      Looking bad at the Rose trade threads with the knowledge that he might get waived is hilarious. My personal favorite argument is that Chris Paul will see how good we are with Derrick Rose and long to be his replacement.

      Guilty as charged. Man was I ever wrong.

      Re Jennings – Marc Stein reporting that multiple teams are interested in him. No one would pony up a 2019 2nd round pick?

    125. Cock Jowles, All-In on Miles Bridges

      And again for all the so-called “realists”, who call themselves “realists” because they believe so strongly they’re right:

      There are possibilities other than Derrick Rose is awful or Derrick Rose is just barely better than awful and then signed to a 4 year max contract.

      Wrong.

      It is possible that he’s actually ok, or even pretty good.

      Wrong.

      It is possible that he’s even pretty good and still is not resigned to mega contract.

      Wrong.

      It is possible that he’s even pretty good and still is not resigned to mega contract because we signed Westbrook or CP3 instead.

      Wrong, but it’s possible!

      It is possible that he’s even pretty good and still is not resigned to mega contract because we sign him to a reasonable contract.

      Wrong.

      It is possible that this team is actually fun to watch and brings us joy.

      HAHAHAHAHAH wrong.

      It’s possible that Noah is actually healthy.

      Wrong.

      It’s hard to base someone’s future production on a 2014-15 season in which he played on a knee that wasn’t 100%, and 2015-16 season in which he missed most of the season with a shoulder injury.

      Wrong!

      Re: Rose – this is just not the Bargnani situation.

      Wow, you’re right! It is its own special brand of “general manager takes a big, wet, whole-pot-of-diner-coffee shit and steps in it, then sniffs his shoes real close to make sure it’s his shit, and then has to throw his shoes away.”

    126. geo

      @159

      mase, I really believe the contract was a direct result of Noah visiting Phil in Montana. Once he showed up at Phil’s door to kiss the ring and praise the triangle, he got to name his price.

      Jeff Teague should book a ticket to Montana this summer. Join Phil for one vision quest and a max offer is sure to follow.

      how freaking scary is that – no question in my mind you are 110% correct…

      i’m not sure if it has ever been discussed – but: i’m guessing ‘ol phil is all the way an “eye” test guy, who, doesn’t really care at all about stats – advanced or otherwise…cuz, age and missed games due to injury are just some “annoying” and “misleading” numbers…

    127. dtrickey

      Jennings potentially headed to the Wizards. Good landing spot for him. I saw this morning that we signed Randle as I was flicking trough the news waiting for the tram. Was shocked (but not disappointed) to see it was Jennings that was waived.

      Ultimately if the waiving of Jennings and signing of Randle is the FO officially waiving the white flag, and it means we are going to see a lot more Baker/N’dour/Randle/Plumlee/Willy; this team becomes worth watching again. I would 100% watch a group of young guys have a go and loose, rather then watch us trot out what we have for most of the year.

    128. geo

      hmmmm, maybe someone can donate a copy of nba 2k17 to phil so he can start practicing gm type moves there…

    129. thenoblefacehumper

      I’m not assuming anything, but I wouldn’t be remotely surprised if Phil missed 2nd rounder for Jennings offers because he was focusing on his stupid “extra asset” in the Rose-Rubio swap that wasn’t. Sometimes sheer incompetence can explain more than people think.

    130. ptmilo

      Sometimes sheer incompetence can explain more than people think.

      i legit said that exact sentence today but unfortunately it was about myself

    131. swiftandabundant

      @ 153 – I just think its kind of lame to ring chase and that all these GMs around the league are willing to let guys out of their contracts so they can join up with a playoff team. I get that they think its doing the guy a favor and maybe that pays off with their agent or whatever. And I’m not saying the league needs to clamp down on it. I just think its kind of lame the Cavs and Warriors get to load up on all these players. Its different when it comes from a trade but I don’t remember this being a thing 10 years ago.

      I don’t know. I like it when there is a playoff match up or even in the Finals and some rookie or second year player has to come off the bench bc there’s an injury or a dude is in foul trouble and that players steps up and makes a name for themselves. To me that’s more compelling than “hey lets watch Calderon come off the bench or Deron Williams who just joined this team 3 weeks ago.”

    132. thenoblefacehumper

      I just think its kind of lame to ring chase and that all these GMs around the league are willing to let guys out of their contracts so they can join up with a playoff team.

      I couldn’t disagree more. Expiring decent players have absolutely no use to teams that have packed it in for the season, so why not let them improve the quality of playoff basketball? There’s even a small part of me that would support a loan system in the NBA…not really. But it would be kinda cool if, say, the Bulls could lend Butler to a non-Warriors team for a late first or something.

    133. dtrickey

      I don’t know. I like it when there is a playoff match up or even in the Finals and some rookie or second year player has to come off the bench bc there’s an injury or a dude is in foul trouble and that players steps up and makes a name for themselves. To me that’s more compelling than “hey lets watch Calderon come off the bench or Deron Williams who just joined this team 3 weeks ago.”

      I get what you mean, but guys like Calderon, Bogut, D-Will, Scola etc. are really only valuable at this stage of the season to teams in contention. The reason most of these guys were waived was to make room for D-League and younger guys to get a run more than anything else, so I really don’t see lottery teams being in the market for one of the above guys.

    134. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

      Phil might actually be more unlikeable than Isiah and the latter got convicted of sexual harassment

    135. Hugo Busto

      I find it really weird the Warriors are going with the corpse of Jose Calderon over a gamble on Briante Weber. Hell I’d take Jennings over Calderon

    136. ClashFan

      Didn’t Isiah also run the CBA into the ground? Phil hasn’t run an entire league out of business. Not so far…

      I hope Rose is retained until too late to hook up with a possible playoff team. Then kick him to the curb.

    137. Hugo Busto

      “The National Basketball Association (NBA) contingency plan activates if five or more players on a team “die or are dismembered”.[1][4] A special “disaster draft” would be held in which other NBA teams could only protect five players,[4][5] so that quality sixth men would be available. No more than one player would be drafted from a team.[1]”

      Is this the only route the Knicks can take to get better? :)

    138. Bruno Almeida

      I don’t care much for the ring-chasing, if I was a player on the decline I would do the exact same thing… I don’t see why it’s lame or unfair, I see it as competitors wanting the best chance of getting to their goal, winning titles…

      Some of those guys were once good enough to lead teams to winning seasons, some had pretty good careers overall, but they are still competitors and are totally justified imo for not wanting to spend 20 more meaningless games on the Knicks or Mavericks or Lakers.

      it’s a win-win situation all around, for the player, for the contending franchise who gets them for cheap, and for the bad team that released them and generally gets to pay a little bit less of their contracts… and they’re mostly washed-up players who won’t make a huge difference anyway.

      there’s a famous story here in Brazil where a team, Cruzeiro, did something similar… Soccer season here basically has the Copa Libertadores, the prestigious continental tournament, ending on june (and the winner gets to play in the FIFA Club World Cup in december), and the less prestigious national tournament until around december too… Cruzeiro won the Libertadores, got destroyed in the national tournament and then decided to “rent” 4 older stars from other clubs just to play the finals of the Club World Cup… needless to say, they got destroyed anyway.

    139. Cock Jowles, All-In on Miles Bridges

      Is this the only route the Knicks can take to get better? :)

      you need to chill

    140. Jack Bauer

      “We are tanking. What’s the best way to tank? Play a system that sucks and that all the players hate.”

      That is brilliant!

    141. Philmelo

      I am glad that this board stopped with the hyperbolc Phil hating short of making him to be worse than Isaiah.

    142. JK47

      Someday there will be a statue of Phil Jackson in front of MSG, and there will be a plaque on it that says “PHIL JACKSON: NOT AS BAD AS ISIAH THOMAS.”

    143. geo

      And ht for hors concours, that’s fancy….

      love it when folks use words or phrases i have to actually go and google…nice work bruno – way to class up the joint :-)

    144. Bruno Almeida

      I feel kinda bad using a fancy word to talk about Isiah, but hey, when it’s right, it’s right lol.

      People use hors concours a lot here in Brazil but then again, we have a lot of french words due to our centuries-long obsessive infatuation with the french.

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