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Knicks Morning News (2017.02.26)

  • [NYTimes] In the Lakers Family Business, Spectacle and Drama Continue
    (Saturday, February 25, 2017 6:34:07 PM)

    The team’s front-office shake-up is the latest high-profile episode for a team that has long been the N.B.A. standard-bearer for soap opera storylines.

  • [NYTimes] Knicks 110, 76ers 109: After Knicks Blow Big Lead, Carmelo Anthony’s Last-Second Jumper Subdues the 76ers
    (Sunday, February 26, 2017 5:31:26 AM)

    Up by 17 points in the third quarter, the Knicks relied on Anthony’s shot with 0.3 of a second left to escape. Anthony finished the game with 37 points.

  • [ESPN] Carmelo Anthony saves Knicks as triangle offense returns to prominence
    (Sunday, February 26, 2017 1:18:02 AM)

    Carmelo Anthony saves Knicks as triangle offense returns to prominence

  • [ESPN] Not trading Carmelo Anthony pays off for Knicks against 76ers
    (Sunday, February 26, 2017 12:55:15 AM)

    Not trading Carmelo Anthony pays off for Knicks against 76ers

  • [ESPN] Agent: Derrick Rose wants to stay in New York
    (Saturday, February 25, 2017 2:50:13 PM)

    Agent: Derrick Rose wants to stay in New York

  • [NYDN] Anthony’s game-winner helps Knicks avoid disaster against 76ers
    (Saturday, February 25, 2017 9:29:39 PM)

    Tanking will have to wait.

  • [NYDN] Knicks, Jeff Hornacek bring triangle offense back… again
    (Saturday, February 25, 2017 9:23:08 PM)

    If this sounds familiar, it’s because the Knicks pulled a similar move last season.

  • [NYDN] Knicks need help of UCLA’s Lonzo Ball or other top point guards
    (Saturday, February 25, 2017 8:41:45 PM)

    It’s tanking time, baby!

  • [NYDN] Lakers better hope Magic Johnson is better than Phil Jackson
    (Saturday, February 25, 2017 6:35:00 PM)

    By putting Magic Johnson in charge of everything, the Lakers do not just make a big fix.

  • [NYDN] 2017 NBA Draft: Looking back at Knicks’ draft decisions
    (Saturday, February 25, 2017 2:26:21 PM)

    All the dysfunction and controversy at the Garden this season shouldn’t distract from one simple fact: The Knicks are a bad team.

  • [SNY Knicks] Carmelo’s last-second jumper lifts Knicks over 76ers
    (Saturday, February 25, 2017 10:16:34 PM)

    The Knicks blew a 17-point lead and fell behind by one when Jahlil Okafor scored with 9 seconds remaining. But Carmelo Anthony dribbled left after a timeout, pulling up over Robert Covington to cap his 37-point performance.

  • [SNY Knicks] Tonight’s Game: Knicks vs. 76ers
    (Saturday, February 25, 2017 6:00:26 PM)

    The Knicks take on the 76ers at 7:30 p.m. on Saturday night.

  • [SNY Knicks] Porzingis, Noah out Saturday against 76ers
    (Saturday, February 25, 2017 5:55:25 PM)

    Kristaps Porzingis (sprained right ankle) and Joakim Noah (hamstring) will not play Saturday night against the 76ers, head coach Jeff Hornacek said.

  • [SNY Knicks] Agent says Derrick Rose wants to remain with Knicks
    (Saturday, February 25, 2017 4:04:29 PM)

    B.J. Armstrong, who represents Derrick Rose, would prefer it if his client remained with the Knicks, he told Sirius XM on Saturday.

  • [NYPost] Knicks’ two big men hold their own against Jahlil Okafor
    (Saturday, February 25, 2017 7:28:46 PM)

    Jahlil Okafor, the Knicks suspected, had something to prove. The third overall pick in 2015, had been out of the rotation in Philadelphia, but now seems entrenched after the trade of Nerlens Noel. Yup, probably had something to prove. But Knicks centers Willy Hernangomez and Kyle O’Quinn felt the same way. They needed to show…

  • [NYPost] For one night, the Knicks aren’t a messy soap opera
    (Saturday, February 25, 2017 7:12:44 PM)

    If you’re a Knicks fan, you probably are hoping the noise will quiet for a while, and all the outside distractions that seem to haunt this team will start to fade. The All-Star break has come and gone. So has the trade deadline. There should be no more talk about Carmelo Anthony and his no-trade…

  • [NYPost] Carmelo’s last-second shot saves Knicks from brutal loss
    (Saturday, February 25, 2017 5:28:05 PM)

    Carmelo Anthony wasn’t going to let the Knicks choke again to the Sixers. The Knicks were on their déjà vu way, blowing another sizeable fourth-quarter lead — 12 points with 4:46 left. Philadelphia center Jahlil Okafor capped a rally with an inside bucket with nine seconds left, putting the Sixers up one point, and the…

  • [NYPost] Did Knicks stop Derrick Rose from taking another Chicago trip?
    (Saturday, February 25, 2017 3:04:59 PM)

    Derrick Rose said he “wasn’t trolling.” Rose never took a flight to Chicago, but whether he was grounded by the Knicks is up in the air — pun intended. Rose attended Saturday’s morning shootaround before the Knicks faced the 76ers at the Garden. On Friday, Rose twice told reporters he had to hurry up the…

  • [NYPost] Derrick Rose wants to be a Knick for a long time: agent
    (Saturday, February 25, 2017 11:52:42 AM)

    B.J. Armstrong, the former Chicago Bull and Derrick Rose’s agent, still feels this Knicks group has a good future together despite their record, and he hopes his client is part of it. Two days after Rose was spared at the trading deadline, Armstrong told The Post the Knicks aren’t as far away as some believe….

  • [NY Newsday] NBA Insider: Jeff Hornacek sees Knicks plan as being patient
    (Sunday, February 26, 2017 2:16:23 AM)

    Carmelo Anthony may not see Phil Jackson’s vision, but Knicks coach Jeff Hornacek seems to get it. He said it’s about being patient.

  • [NY Newsday] Knicks: Derrick Rose only joking about going to Chicago
    (Sunday, February 26, 2017 1:30:00 AM)

    It looks as if the one thing everyone can agree on is that Derrick Rose did not, in fact, board a plane to Chicago after practice Friday afternoon. He didn’t miss shootaround yesterday morning, and he didn’t go back to the place where he made such a mark that the Bulls’ Anthony Morrow will have to change his jersey number after fans chided him for taking Rose’s No. 1.

  • [NY Newsday] Carmelo Anthony’s buzzer-beater lifts Knicks over 76ers in thriller
    (Sunday, February 26, 2017 12:12:21 AM)

    The triangle offense has become more of an emphasis again for the Knicks, but with the game on the line Saturday night, it was Carmelo Anthony’s clutch one-on-one play that carried them down the stretch.

  • [NY Newsday] Agent says Knicks discovered Derrick Rose’s true value
    (Saturday, February 25, 2017 9:01:13 PM)

    Derrick Rose’s agent, B.J. Armstrong, said the Knicks were looking out for their best interests when they tried to deal his client before the trade deadline. Armstrong reiterated that Rose would like to re-sign with the Knicks. “His name was out there,” Armstrong said in an interview Saturday with SiriusXM NBA Radio. “In the end, I think the Knicks did what they thought was in their best interests. Like I’ve said all along, like he said all along, he wants to be in New York. He feels comfortable there. But we understand the business.”

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    105 comments on “Knicks Morning News (2017.02.26)

    1. Bruno Almeida

      Melo is going to complete the trifecta: screwing us up with the trade to come here, then with uninspired play for some years and now putting us in the position to draft Miles Bridges.

      that’s just great.

    2. Brian Cronin

      While it doesn’t seem like he’ll actually do this, the true way to screw the Knicks in the most Knicksy way possible is for him to screw the Knicks with the initial deal by making sure that the Knicks lost all of their leverage and then to use his NTC to only agree to a deal where the team he’s being traded to doesn’t have to give up too much to get him.

    3. Totes McGoats

      So news reports say D Will is on the way to Cleveland and Calderon is soon to be a Warrior. WOW. Perfect fits, although I think Cleveland needs Bogut more than Williams. I wonder where he lands once Philly buys him out. It would be hilarious if he ends up a Houston Rocket. That would make an already fun Rockets-Warriors possible series even moreso.

    4. kevin5318

      I don’t really see us hitting 30 wins this year. With Lin back you can’t count on the BKN games to be auto wins and Orlando seems to be playing better with Ibaka gone. Philly is a wildcard with Embiids health but we nearly lost to these guys without him and Noel.

      Plus tournament play is surely to change the mocks up a little. No need to stress out over every win.

    5. Philmelo

      As shitty as last night’s win was it pretty heartening from a tanking perspective. We played the Sixers without Embiid, Simmons or Noel with Melo and Rose trying their hardest to win at home and barely squeaked by. I don’t think there’s a team out there we can’t lose to.

    6. Bo Nateman

      Melo can up his passive/aggressive game by sabotaging the tank, squeezing out every win possible, ala last night. Leaves the team in a purgatory of mediocrity when he leaves. ” Wow we shoulda kept him” lamented the fan base.
      Interesting convo the other night between T Mac and Chauncey Billups about the need for one time all-star caliber players needing to ” reinvent” themselves at the end of their careers. They were talking about D Will, but the logic applies with equal force to Melo. The problem seems to be a case of denial on Melo’s part and no motivation or self awareness to change. In a sense Melo’s mindset is understandable, when you consider that his entire pro career he has been surrounded by sycophants who tell him how great he is. I would imagine if he goes to the Clips or Cavs, LBJ or CPs will disabuse him of his you’re the man mindset, if Melo wants a chp.

    7. Philmelo

      Melo can up his passive/aggressive game by sabotaging the tank, squeezing out every win possible, ala last night. Leaves the team in a purgatory of mediocrity when he leaves. ” Wow we shoulda kept him” lamented the fan base.

      He can sabotage what he likes, his brand of basketball is a losing type. He was part of an effort that saw us blow a 17 point lead. It took him pulling another win out of his ass from salvaging a total catastrophe. In some senses, a game like this is every once and awhile is a good thing because it creates a false sense of confidence in hero balling. But Philly played bad…I mean really, really bad basketball to the point that it seemed they were tanking the game for the first three quarters. Yet they almost won that shitshow last night.

    8. Brian Cronin

      That final possession was super sketchy, as well. They could only win by going to the basket and no one went to the basket!!!

    9. ClashFan

      Yeah, the Sixers lost last night b/c they missed a ton of open looks. The Knicks D was lousy again, but the Sixers were so depleted (and weren’t they in the 2nd day of a back to back?) that their shots were flat.

      The awful Knicks D isn’t going to change. That’s a constant with Rose and Melo in particular.

    10. Accidentank 2017

      I love the kid as a prospect, but I hope the Knicks stay far away from Lonzo Ball. His father is very annoying with the now “I only want my son to play for the Lakers” talk. In fact, I hope the Lakers pick first and take Markelle Fultz.

    11. jkhar

      Expecting Knicks to beat the 76ers in the art of tanking, is just not reasonable. Last night was a very much in line with what to expect. That being said we almost got it done!

    12. JK47

      Ruru will be back next offseason to lecture all of us about how we don’t understand the shot creation value of the newly acquired Tyreke Evans, and that in light of this none of us are qualified to give our opinions about the 2017-2018 Knicks.

    13. d-mar

      Hey, could you guys explain the Miles Bridges hate? Honestly, I don’t know much about the guy except that he plays for Michigan State. Seems like after every pointless Knicks win we get the “welcome to NY, Miles Bridges” posts.

      If I had to guess, he must be pretty awful by advanced stats metrics.

    14. er

      Hey, could you guys explain the Miles Bridges hate? Honestly, I don’t know much about the guy except that he plays for Michigan State

      I have never even heard the name. My guess is that hes similar to melo hahahahaha

    15. Owen

      JK47 – Has Tyreke ever played next to a multidimensional offensive threat like Melo? Has he ever had someone who can create space on the floor like Melo? You can’t judge the guy until he has fully benefitted from the Melo effect.i am sure he would make a great addition.

    16. Will the Thrill

      Miles Bridges has become a personification of a middling first round pick on this board. I don’t even think he’s a bad player, but the idea is that he isn’t a game changer (which we desperately need). He is built like a more athletic Melo, and can apparently touch the top of the backboard. He’s shooting threes well, but can’t make his free throws. I think he will be an average player in the league, and the people on this board don’t think that is good enough.

    17. MSA

      Miles Bridges has become a personification of a middling first round pick on this board. I don’t even think he’s a bad player, but the idea is that he isn’t a game changer (which we desperately need). He is built like a more athletic Melo, and can apparently touch the top of the backboard. He’s shooting threes well, but can’t make his free throws. I think he will be an average player in the league, and the people on this board don’t think that is good enough.

      I was wondering this.

      I think this is more about the pick position than the player.

      He’s not good at free throws and is a little bit turnover prone for a forward. Other than that I don’t see any problem picking him after the 10th pick.

    18. JK47

      Getting a generic player like Miles Bridges as the “reward” for a miserable slog of a season is just… well, it’s Knicksy.

    19. MSA

      Aaron Gordon is a good comparison but he can’t shoot 3s while Bridges has been pretty good in limited attempts especially on the corners.

      But we are talking about what probably will be something between the 12th or 16th pick.

      The odds of getting the franchise savior that everybody is wishing is almost null regardless of who we pick at this point.

    20. Z-man

      Bridges strikes me as a prototypical tweener, an undersized 4 in college who will struggle mightily to play the 3 at the NBA level. Kenny Walker, anyone?

    21. Cock Jowles, All-In on Miles Bridges

      So that win last night reduced the change of the #1 pick from ~5% to 1.7%. Good times. Can’t wait to see what else fucks our chances to see an elite rookie guard next season.

    22. Z-man

      I would love to see us take Edmond Sumner with one of our 2nd round picks. Tore his ACL but was having a very solid year at Xavier.

    23. thenoblefacehumper

      lol This board hopes the Knicks will go on a 20 game losing streak

      That would be the best thing to happen to the Knicks in a very long time. I know we only need to win 26 of our next 23 games to get to your 50 win prediction, but sometimes you have to think of the greater good.

    24. er

      That would be the best thing to happen to the Knicks in a very long time. I know we only need to win 26 of our next 23 games to get to your 50 win prediction, but sometimes you have to think of the greater good.

      Ohhhh boy. Haha. Difference is I don’t mourn every loss like you mourn every win. The Knicks aren’t bad enough to get a top5 pick. Lol. It’s like bitching every time you don’t hit a hole in one

    25. Z-man

      The prediction here is that we go 8-15 the rest of the way to finish 32-50. That should be good enough for a top-10 pick. Whether one of the top-5 PGs will be there is really a crap shoot.

    26. thenoblefacehumper

      Ohhhh boy. Haha. Difference is I don’t mourn every loss like you mourn every win. The Knicks aren’t bad enough to get a top5 pick. Lol. It’s like bitching every time you don’t hit a hole in one

      We have a new biggest pessimist!

    27. dtrickey

      That final possession was super sketchy, as well. They could only win by going to the basket and no one went to the basket!!!

      I was thinking the exact same thing. They had Saric inbound and he basically threw it to KOQ. I get why you would have a big potentially inbound to get over the defender, but to have one of your best bigs not at the rim seems a bit dodgy.

    28. Philmelo

      Actually, er is wrong again. The Knicks are bad enough to be a bottom 5 team. They just aren’t smart enough to be one. Instead of finding ways to lose like Philadelphia did last night, their coaching staff was actually playing to win. That’s the frustrating part in all of this. This shitshow was the Knicks actually trying hard.

    29. jkhar

      I mean Philly was down by more than 10 with less than 5 minutes left, if they were smartly tanking the game, why did they take the lead with less than 10 seconds left? Because they knew Melo would hit a game winning shot? hmm…

    30. Philmelo

      Philly played the final 5 minutes like their deficit was idiot proof. But even though it was idiotproof, the lead was not Knicksproof. Idiot proof is one thing, but Knicksproof is a whole other level.

    31. thenoblefacehumper

      The problem is there really is a unique urgency to the tanking situation this year. 2.5 games separate picks 4-9. At 4 you could get Jonathan Isaac. At 9 your best hope is probably De’Aaron Fox. Any lower than that and you’re truly in Miles Bridges territory.

      The Knicks are starved of young talent. If they win a few more games than the other awful teams it’ll largely be due to the contributions of guys who are old and/or not part of the future (Lee, Melo, O’Quinn, etc.). If those extra wins were due to our superior young talent we could all live with it, but they’re really only due to our lack of understanding of the win curve. For that reason it is essential that we get a good player this draft, as two who kinda play the same position just isn’t enough.

    32. dtrickey

      Actually, er is wrong again. The Knicks are bad enough to be a bottom 5 team. They just aren’t smart enough to be one. Instead of finding ways to lose like Philadelphia did last night, their coaching staff was actually playing to win. That’s the frustrating part in all of this. This shitshow was the Knicks actually trying hard.

      It’s on management to put the team in a position to tank. If we aren’t tanking well enough that’s on Phil. It’s pretty difficult to get players and coaches to buy into throwing games. Could you really see any coach saying to the guys on the floor “we need this one for the tank, so just dribble it out”?

    33. Z-man

      Instead of finding ways to lose like Philadelphia did last night, their coaching staff was actually playing to win.

      Does the commentary here get any more inane than this? Please, take this bullshit to some other blog.

    34. Philmelo

      It’s on management to put the team in a position to tank.

      I agree. Maybe management is tanking by having Hornacek play more Triangle. I don’t know. But we should be doing everything in our power to see that we lose. Hopefully, they keep KP out some more and play Noah a lot when he gets healthy.

    35. Philmelo

      Z-man, here. This is a blog that’s more for you. They celebrate meaningless wins and 35-47 record seasons like you. Its a good group of denialists you’d fit more comfortably with.

    36. thenoblefacehumper

      I’d never tell players or coaches to lose on purpose, but it’d be perfectly sensible to instruct Hornacek to give Baker/Ndour/Plumlee extended minutes. We actually should be trying to determine if these guys are worth roster spots. If they won us some games, maybe they’re worth keeping. In the far more likely scenario that they didn’t, they probably aren’t worth keeping and our draft pick is better for having confirmed that.

    37. Z-man

      I was actually going to recommend P&T to you, but I remembered that I respect the writers there, particularly Seth Rosenthal and Joe Flynn. They deserve better than you. I have no problem with anyone rooting for losses, or criticizing players, coaches or management in some kind of reasonable way. But your comments @39 and @41 are embarrassingly idiotic.

    38. Philmelo

      I have no problem with anyone rooting for losses, or criticizing players, coaches or management in some kind of reasonable way.

      Yes you do. Stop lying. You had this team as a playoff contender (lol) and are now salty that it sucks pure ass. But that’s not my problem so don’t make it mine. Philadelphia gave us that game for 3+ quarters. I wasn’t the only one who saw it.

      This team is garbage. I even hesitate to call it a team. A team works together. This is a group of mercenaries put together in a piecemeal fashion who win more by the failure of the other team to execute basic plays than they do through any form of sustained excellence. If our management had any type of vision they’d try to do everything in their power to lose games like this and empty out their bench. But unfortunately there are dolts like you on it who are content to compete for an 8th place spot.

    39. bockadoo

      Alonzo Trier from AZ would be a nice get in second round. Bridges playing great D on senior Nigel Hayes. He is shooting over 40% on 3’s and can touch the top of the backboard. Sounds like a pretty nice skill set to me.

    40. Z-man

      @47, thanks, that’s a very reasonable point. I’d love to see those guys play more. On the other hand, I wouldn’t fault Hornacek if he countered that he was going to play the players that gave him the best chance of winning.

      Tanking is completely on management, not even 1% on coaches or players. Seeing it otherwise is pretty dumb.

    41. Philmelo

      Most of the P&T’ers are for the tank. Even the majority of /r/NyKnicks are pro-tank.

      LOL. Z-man is a whiner without a country.

    42. er

      Actually, er is wrong again. The Knicks are bad enough to be a bottom 5 team. They just aren’t smart enough to be one.

      lol what?

    43. Z-man

      Yes you do. Stop lying. You had this team as a playoff contender (lol) and are now salty that it sucks pure ass.

      Actually I was cautiously optimistic, but as THCJ noted recently, I thought anything between 32 and 42 wins was reasonable. But whatever, you can characterize me any way you want, it doesn’t make the posts that I mentioned any less stupid. But you keep on believing that it’s on players and coaches to tank. Man, those Sixers players sure are smart, how they came back from 17 down and took the lead with 9 seconds left when they were actually trying to lose. That was brilliant phantom defense that Covington played on Melo, knowing that he was going to give him just enough space to hit that shot which he makes 100% of the time.

      Man, can you imagine how pissed Coach Brown was the last time we played the Sixers and Embiid destroyed us in the last 5 minutes to pull out a devastating win? At least the Knicks got it right that time!

      Sheesh!

    44. Z-man

      There’s a difference between being intelligently pro-tank and stupidly pro-tank. As to me, I’d be thrilled if we lost every game and got the #1 pick. But since I have no control, and since I expect players to play to win and coaches to coach to win, I don’t get bent out of shape about wins even during a tank. And I certainly, CERTAINLY don’t fault players or coaches when they win during a tank. As I said about a million times, tanking is 100% on management. They can waive players like Rose, Jennings, even Melo, or shut them down, e.g. KP. But I expect players to play to win ALWAYS and I expect coaches to coach to win ALWAYS, unless they are forced to play to lose by management.

      Now, what’s unintelligent or wrong about that position?

    45. Philmelo

      In the words of people who actually saw the game last night:

      I only saw the 4th quarter but I feel like Saric should have guarded Melo on the last play. It seemed to me he was being physical and guarding Melo well.

      He did well, but the ridiculous thing was that they should have just tripled Melo then. He’s going to shoot it no matter what, ya know? I honestly wonder if the Sixers just threw the game at the end. They didn’t even run to the basket at the end!

      It wasn’t just me. The Sixers played a really funky, uneven game with some questionable coaching at the end. It certainly wasn’t unreasonable to wonder if they gave it away at the end.

    46. Philmelo

      And I certainly, CERTAINLY don’t fault players or coaches when they win during a tank. As I said about a million times, tanking is 100% on management.

      Oh, its on the coaching too.

    47. MSA

      Saric was getting toasted by Melo during the game.

      And the Sixers had an uneven game because, well, they suck.

      I agree with everyone that said that this is on management, not the players or coach.

      Let’s not lose our heads because we won a game at home against one of the worst teams in the league without their best player.

      We are still going to lose a lot.

    48. 2FOR18

      Yes, tanking is management’s job.
      If Dolan and Phil sat at mid court for 2.5 hours, I’d actually consider buying a ticket so I could boo and throw fruit at them.

    49. Bruno Almeida

      the moment is coming: people are already trying to sell Miles Bridges as a good pick.

      I knew the Knicks would not disappoint!

      I fully expect this team to win at least twice against the Sixers, twice against Brooklyn, Orlando, Milwaukee, one against Miami, Indiana, one against Detroit and one upset win between Utah, Portland and Memphis for an absolutely dreadful 34 wins and the 11th pick as a reward for their ineptitude.

      Im so pessimistic I’m even pessimistic about this team’s capability of losing key games.

    50. Ambrosenyk

      There’s irony to the fact that the posts of so called “optimists” are dripping with so much hostility.

    51. d-mar

      the moment is coming: people are already trying to sell Miles Bridges as a good pick.

      I haven’t seen anyone say it’s a good pick. I started the conversation by asking why people were so down on him, since I personally haven’t seen him play. That’s all it was, not an endorsement.

    52. Bruno Almeida

      @65

      I understand d-mar, nothing against the question, which is completely valid.

      it was mostly a joke about how pessimistic I am at the fact that I’m still afraid the Knicks will manage to screw up even being terrible, and how optimists here on this board will talk themselves into Bridges’ potential if it does happen.

    53. Will the Thrill

      Coaching has nothing to do with tanking. Coaches have even more incentive than players to win every game they can.

      The 76er players/coaches didn’t throw the game on purpose last night, what a ridiculous claim.

      Ras,
      You were sure the Knicks would make a trade at the deadline posting constant new information detailing great deals Phil could make (especially with Melo). – didn’t happen

      You seem to still defend Phil (for unknown reasons) even after this, but it is his fault and his fault alone that we will win more games than we should to close the season.

      We either have to chill out and accept the wins that Phil has given us or blame Phil for his failure at negotiating and planning for the long term success of the team.

    54. Bruno Almeida

      @67

      Maybe for a top 3 pick, anything else no… unless it’s an inexplicable draft night situation where Ball or Fultz drop to the 6th pick or something and we can grab him.

      This team should still suck next year, since even if Melo is traded he won’t bring immediate value back anyway.

    55. chrisk06811

      I had a lot of shit I should have got done today, but I just said fuck it and stayed in bed. I call that a Joakim Noah.

    56. 2FOR18

      The truth is that for all we know, Bridges could end up being one of the top 3 players from this draft, or he could be playing in China in 3 years.
      The only no doubt about it player I’ve seen this season is Fultz. Everyone else has obvious flaws, and there’s no way to be sure who will overcome them.
      I know everyone loves Ball and Isaac, but Ball is going to have to fix his shot in order to be a franchise type player, and Isaac is years away from having an NBA body capable of handling 30+ minutes a night.

    57. ClashFan

      Yeah, I don’t think the Sixers players or coaches were trying to lose. They were BAD, just like the Knicks. Their shots seemed flat. They actually upped their energy a bit late and nearly won. Only 2 rare Melo late game contested makes salvaged the game.

      The Knicks D is still awful, and I can see Melo and Rose soon start to coast even more on D.

      I’ll be very surprised if they win 30 games.

    58. ClashFan

      @70
      That’s not a Noah. A Noah is you actually got out of bed, but tweaked your hammy as you tried to put on your slippers. Then, back to bed.
      :-)

    59. Z-man

      It wasn’t just me. The Sixers played a really funky, uneven game with some questionable coaching at the end. It certainly wasn’t unreasonable to wonder if they gave it away at the end.

      We’ll have to agree to disagree here. I think it is beyond unreasonable, it’s plain stupid.

    60. er

      If we played our vets less and our kids more we’d probably win about the same number of games.

      What vets play? Lee and Melo have been pretty good the last few months. Noah doesn’t play.

      Baker and Kuz have been awful…..KP has been up and down/ always hurt.

    61. Z-man

      There’s irony to the fact that the posts of so called “optimists” are dripping with so much hostility.

      First of all, I’m not an ” optimist” per se, just compared to the abject (and often over the top) pessimist around here. Jowles recently labeled me as a “reasonable” glass half-full guy (like Frank, although I think he is more optimistic than me.) See the following thread re: pre-season predictions in 2014-15:

      http://knickerblogger.net/2015-season-preview-optimist-vs-pessimist/

      On the eve of the cataclysmic 2014-15 season, I predicted 35-37 wins while noted pessimist JK47 predicted 39 (originally 33-35 but revised.) Most predicted between 34and 42. Brian Cronin predicted 42, Owen had 39, ephus had an over-under bet, with Jowles at 40.5 (PS Jowles predicted 38 wins!!!), iserp had 46. Only Donnie Walsh went for under 30 wins that season. That’s just one example of me being south of the border with regard to optimism, there are many others. If anything, I hope for the most positive outcomes, even when the data suggests that they are highly unlikely. For example, I’m still hoping that KP turns out to be the best player in the 2015 draft.

      That’s different than making stupid, indefensible statements on either side of the ledger.

      If you want to lump me in with the Reubs of the world, go on ahead. I certainly won’t ever lump you and your ilk in with Mike Kurylo, THCJ, or even Donnie Walsh.

    62. swiftandabundant

      It seems absurd to complain about barely beating the sixers when they were in the second night of a back to back and missing some key players and we barely beat them. Chill out peeps!

    63. dtrickey

      What vets play? Lee and Melo have been pretty good the last few months. Noah doesn’t play.

      Baker and Kuz have been awful…..KP has been up and down/ always hurt.

      Has Baker played enough to unequivocally say he’s been awful? The numbers guys could probably provide something, but aside from a few starts we have only got a pretty limited idea of what Baker can offer. I would still like us to trot out Plumlee and N’dour a bit more often. Given they periodically send these guys to the D-League potentially indicates they are happy to have these guys around as project players. If they had drawn a line through them already, they would have probably been waived by now.

    64. er

      Has Baker played enough to unequivocally say he’s been awful?

      Yeah im not saying he is awful forever, but he hasn’t been good except for some bright spot moments.

    65. thenoblefacehumper

      It seems absurd to complain about barely beating the sixers when they were in the second night of a back to back and missing some key players and we barely beat them. Chill out peeps!

      Lee, Melo, O’Quinn, and Jennings are all NBA players (varying degrees of productivity). We don’t know if the same is true of Baker, Ndour, and Plumlee.

      It seems absurd to complain about barely beating the sixers when they were in the second night of a back to back and missing some key players and we barely beat them. Chill out peeps!

      I feel you, but like I said earlier the tankathon is truly unique this year. The Knicks’ position (a lot of money owed to old guys, not exactly brimming with good young players, etc.) makes it even more dire for them. Every win is bad, even if some are to be expected. I mean shit, what else is there to talk about?

    66. Brian Cronin

      I’m legitimately thrilled that Phil is even shittier at putting teams together than I thought. 42 wins would have been the worst case scenario for me, which is why I went with it (betting the worse case scenario is always good with the Knicks). So luckily Phil is worse than I thought!

    67. dtrickey

      On the Kings, Vlade has said that he will step down if the Cousins trade doesn’t work out for them in 2 years. Seems pretty hollow when his contract probably runs out in 2 years anyway.

    68. Accidentank 2017

      So here’s another scenario:

      Imagine the Knicks and Cavs are engaged in serious trade talks. Carmelo will waive the NTC to run with Cleveland for a year before he leaves to play in Los Angeles or wherever, but the Knicks want to flip Kevin Love. The Cavs won’t agree to any trade involving Boston. Portland offers Dame Lillard straight up but they want swap rights on the 2017 Knicks pick (their rumored asking price at the deadline was 2 1st round picks or a superstar), and Minnesota offers Rubio and their 1st round pick straight up. Which trade do you do? In this scenario the Knicks are picking 6th and the Blazers pick 9th. The Timberwolves are picking 5th, and Fultz, Ball, Tatum, and Smith have been taken.

      So essentially you’re looking at Rubio plus Josh Jackson and Jonathan Isaac, or Lillard and Ntilikina/Bridges/Monk. Personally it’s all dependent on how highly you value Lillard, and in every scenario you still have the expiring contracts coming off the books. The Knicks definitely go with Lillard, but I’m not turning down a Rubio, Jackson, Isaac, Porzingis, Hernangomez starting 5. That team would be very fun to watch and everybody would defer to Porzingis until Isaac becomes the top 5 player he’s destined to be.

    69. Hugo Busto

      that trade was still a win for the pelicans whether they make the playoffs or not. Would be pretty great if their pick landed in the top 3 though.

      losing to the rockets, improved @mavs with noel, and @okc in a matter of 4 days isn’t the worst thing.

    70. Bruno Almeida

      it’s a top 3 protection, it will never happen.

      I just think it’s funny they are about to pay max money to Jrue Holiday and he’s not playing well, while it’s clear they have gigantic holes at both wing positions. Davis and Cousins combined for 69 points, Cousins made 15 free throws (out of 15) and they still lost.

      but let’s watch the media saying they just need time to gel.

    71. Accidentank 2017

      The Pelicans will always need the NBA draft. They don’t have the market to attract players to come down there, and right now they need depth. If I’m New Orleans I’m going after JJ Reddick this summer and I’m trying to trade whatever I have for Courtney Lee. They need space and shooting, and a better point guard than Jrue Holiday.

    72. Bruno Almeida

      the Pelicans are already over the cap and they are re-signing Holiday for sure, which will put them at tax payer level… there’s no way they make a play for Redick, unless they give up on Holiday and go for either Tim Frazier as the starter or find another free agent PG for basically no money… Etwaun Moore, Asik, Solomon Hill and Ajinca will get paid a combined 36 million over the next 3 years and they’re all next to untradeable.
      This is their team and it’s going to be the same for at least the next 3 years unless they massively luck out somehow.

    73. Hugo Busto

      I mean right now they have a 20% chance of landing a top 3 pick. It’s possible.

      They could stretch provision Asik. Plus they should have a mid level exception to use. Maybe they can get a thabo or PJ Tucker.

      There is also a chance they get a new coach. lets face it, gentry isn’t good (career boosted by steve nash and steph curry)

      it will come down to if they are able to resign Boogie. you are counting them out way too soon

    74. richmond

      I’m legitimately thrilled that Phil is even shittier at putting teams together than I thought. 42 wins would have been the worst case scenario for me, which is why I went with it (betting the worse case scenario is always good with the Knicks). So luckily Phil is worse than I thought!

      Phil will see out his contract until he rides off to Montana with plenty of sage. Melo won’t waive his NTC, doesn’t strike me as a ring-chaser, more like a businessman hence, the NY market, and NTC and trade kicker.

    75. Bruno Almeida

      if they get a top 3 pick everything changes.

      but as of now, I’m not counting them out, I’m just saying their ceiling is much more limited than people perceive it to be.

      if they max out Holiday, they’ll likely be tax payers, which leaves them only with the tax payer mid level (around 4 mil aav)… which is not enough to get good players.

      the cap is probably going to be about 102 million next year… as of now, the Pelicans have 101 million committed, with Holiday, Gee, Casspi, Stephenson, and Jones expiring (combined 17.6 million)… if Holiday re-signs for less than max, 25 million, let’s say, and they stretch Asik (3 years for a total of 33 million left), they would stretch those 33 million over 7 years in equal installments, about 4.7 million a year…

      that still leaves the Pelicans about 13 million over the cap and pretty much at the luxury tax without bringing anyone else… all for a small market team that would hate to pay luxury tax and won’t bring top free agents there anyway.

      That’s not even considering Boogie’s possible extension that would come before Hill, Asik, Moore or Ajinca’s contract expire.

    76. Brian Cronin

      There is also a chance they get a new coach.

      Oh man, I still can’t believe they actually hired Gentry. He’s the epitome of the Peter Principle. The dude’s a great assistant coach.

    77. Hugo Busto

      Do NBA owners even lose money if they have to pay luxury tax? Like isn’t the NBA just booming right now where every owner is making money? Is there profit sharing as well?

      Worst case scenario is Boogie walks after next year. But you have to think there is a real chance him and Brow commit to each other long term. They then are basically trying to do what we are with KP/Willy vs their Brow/Boogie

    78. Brian Cronin

      I think there is a possible chance that, like, two or three NBA teams could theoretically lose money under certain circumstances, and New Orleans is one of the few teams where I could see it possibly being true.

    79. dtrickey

      I think there is a possible chance that, like, two or three NBA teams could theoretically lose money under certain circumstances, and New Orleans is one of the few teams where I could see it possibly being true.

      I seem to remember reading something just before the tentative CBA agreement in December was announced that a fair chunk of small market teams struggle to make a significant profit; so I wouldn’t be surprised if NO were one of those teams that couldn’t afford to pay the luxury tax.

    80. Brian Cronin

      Yeah, New Orleans was one of the teams who had the hardest time making money in the old CBA, so I figure they must still be within the realm of possibility of losing money under very specific circumstances now, as well.

    81. Brian Cronin

      Our own Kevin McElroy with some topical shit. :)

      “And Derrick Rose will be traded for….

      Ricky Rubio and a draft pick!!!!

      Oh I’m sorry wrong envelope it’s actually ‘no one'”

    82. Bruno Almeida

      I don’t think it’s much about losing money per se, or earning less money… Oklahoma City probably traded a chance at a dynasty because of the luxury tax, so it’s to be believed that small market teams still at the very least factor that into their decisions.

      the luxury tax part I included is more because if NOLA actually reaches tax payer status they get an even lower mid-level exception to use… yes, their plan is to build around Boogie and Davis obviously, but are they good enough to be contenders with Jrue Holiday as the third wheel and nothing else of value? it’s very questionable for me.

    83. thenoblefacehumper

      The Pelicans took a way bigger risk than people realize, as Bruno points out. They probably won’t make the playoffs this year, which gives them next year alone to try and impress Cousins enough to re-sign. They seem like a lock to do some dumb shit this offseason, the pressure will be enormous. We better trade them Courtney Lee.

    84. Brian Cronin

      I don’t think it’s much about losing money per se, or earning less money… Oklahoma City probably traded a chance at a dynasty because of the luxury tax, so it’s to be believed that small market teams still at the very least factor that into their decisions.

      the luxury tax part I included is more because if NOLA actually reaches tax payer status they get an even lower mid-level exception to use… yes, their plan is to build around Boogie and Davis obviously, but are they good enough to be contenders with Jrue Holiday as the third wheel and nothing else of value? it’s very questionable for me.

      Oh, sure, I’m down on NOLA overall myself. I think they just basically locked in their current team and their current team is not all that good. Boogie and AD remind me of a better version of Melo and STAT in the sense that I don’t think they really complement each other well.

      I was just noting that I think that on top of it all, they are also probably one of the teams in the NBA who have the hardest time making money.

    85. DRed

      NBA teams might be able to lose money in a given year, but Tom Benson paid 340 mil for the Pellies in 2012 and Forbes estimates they’re worth 750 million dollars today.

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