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Knicks Morning News (2016.07.25)

  • [SNY Knicks] Jeremy Lin talks Knicks tenure, Melo and Courtney Lee
    (Sunday, July 24, 2016 2:01:39 PM)

    “I was really, really sad. I was sad the way everything went down, ’cause nothing happened the way I thought it was going to. I had wished that they had offered me a contract just in the beginning”

  • [ESPN] Team USA is so talented it’s impossible to tell how good it is
    (Monday, July 25, 2016 2:03:17 AM)

    Team USA is so talented it’s impossible to tell how good it is

  • [ESPN] Phil Jackson’s triangle offense gets Hollywood treatment in ‘Suicide Squad’
    (Sunday, July 24, 2016 1:15:32 PM)

    Phil Jackson’s triangle offense gets Hollywood treatment in ‘Suicide Squad’

  • [NYTimes] Mills Taps Australian Heartland for Rio Inspiration
    (Monday, July 25, 2016 1:12:27 AM)

    Basketballer Patty Mills will don the green and gold of Australia at the Rio de Janeiro Games but gained inspiration for his third Olympics in the red dust of his country’s vast, empty heartland.

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    78 comments on “Knicks Morning News (2016.07.25)

    1. Z-man

      So everyone refers to Tim Duncan as one of greatest PFs of all time, if not the greatest. I take issue with this description, and think it totally mischaracterizes his career. If anything, he was more of a C than a PF.

      According to B-R’s play-by-play (and verified by 82games.com):

      -Duncan played 70% of his time at C and 30% at PF
      -during his first six years, he played with David Robinson in a “twin towers” setup, where they were interchangeable at the PF/C spots.
      -Since age 31 (more than 1/2 of his career), that number is nearly 100%
      -In the playoffs, the % of time he played at C increased and was never below 50% during championship years for which this stat was kept.
      -In 2005-06, he was listed as playing 71% of his time at PF, but the C’s on the team were Nesterovic, Mohammad, and Oberto. The Spurs lost in the second round of the playoffs. The next year, he played 71% of his time at C with Oberto moving to the PF and some guy named Francisco Elson backing up Duncan at C. They won the NBA championship.

      Thoughts?

    2. Donnie Walsh

      I think he was listed as a PF because Shaq was the starting center of the all-star team and it was Duncan’s only way not to ride the bench.

    3. Knew Your Nicks

      Thoughts?

      He’s not the classic PF or C but he’s probably the best ‘hybrid PF/C’ since he played those 2 positions with great success.
      I cannot think of any other PF playing the C position as good as TD.
      No other C also played the PF just like TD.

      PF/C

    4. Owen

      When he came into the league he was labeled a PF because he played next to Robinson. That’s how it got started.

      I don’t sweat the difference between PF and C too much. But for me he was more of a center than a PF, because of his defense more than anything else. It doesn’t really matter though.

    5. Theo

      @1 – very interesting topic! I agree with others who think he was somewhat of a hybrid C/PF. In any case, one of the greatest ever.

    6. massive

      In reality how many great four men have only played the four? Charles Barkley? Dennis Rodman? Dirk Nowitzki? I’d wager that most guys who are excellent power forwards have shifted over to play the 5 spot unless they’re like 6’9″ or shorter.

    7. Totes McGoats

      In my time, the only great 4’s that didn’t play the 5 were Chuck, Rodman, Mailman, and LJ if you want to add him- but he played the 3 as well. At least that’s all I can think of. I’ve been saying for a while that basketball today needs a re-defining of the positions, everybody is just so skilled and athletic nowadays. Although I’m old school, I’d be ok with Bigs/Wings/Guards as opposed to C/PF/SF/SG/PG

    8. Z-man

      I think it’s fair to put Duncan in a special group of guys who could play either PF or C at a HOF level on both ends of the floor. McHale and Garnett are definitely in that group. Pau Gasol fits that mold, although more of a C, played plenty of PF in his career. Then there are the guys that could have done it if they played on a team with a pure C like say, Shaq: Hakeem, The Admiral, Moses, or going back further, Reed and Russell.

      Our very own KP (let’s hope), as well as KAT and AD, are the latest versions of this kind of player. Maybe Myles Turner?

    9. Ben R

      I would actually say there are more like four positions. Guards (1-2), Wings (2-3), Forwards (3-4), and Bigs (4-5). Then there are players that can play multiple spots like Green is a Forward and a Big, and Leonard is a Wing and a Forward.

    10. Donnie Walsh

      Green and Leonard are both listed as 6’7″ 230 lbs, further bolstering the opinion that positions like “power forward” are relative and ultimately a thing of the past. There is Point Guard, Wing, and Big. Duncan is one of the great Bigs to ever play.

      When Hakeem came into the league he played PF because he was paired with Sampson. Nobody talks about him being the best PF of all time. It’s just as logical as the Tim Duncan argument, though.

      Green is a Forward and a Big, and Leonard is a Wing and a Forward

    11. Cock Jowles, Betting the Under in 2017

      ESPN has us at 40-42 and 9th in the East.

      I think that’s fair.

      40-42 with the worst eFG% in the league? Oh boy, I think not.

    12. Z-man

      @11 but there are guys that are purely only one position, mainly b/c they either can’t defend most of their counterparts at another, or lack the offensive polish to play another, but are very good at what they do:
      1-Conley, Rondo
      2-McCollum, Redick
      3: Carroll, Jerebko
      4-Favors, Griffin
      5-Valanciunas, DeAndre

    13. rama

      40-42 with the worst eFG% in the league? Oh boy, I think not.

      40-42 with the #3 defense in the league? I think that’s fair.

    14. Nick C.

      @12 Donnie, Hakeem never played forward, Sampson did. IIRC the stories were Sampson wanted to, could handle the ball, etc. and was not enamored with the low post.

    15. stratomatic

      If you call Duncan a C, you have to compare him to Kareem, Chamberlain, Shaq, Hakeem, Russell, Robinson, Ewing, Walton etc.. That’s a pretty tough list to crack. If you call him a PF, you are comparing him to Barkley, Malone, Garnett, Dirk etc… That’s also a tough list, but it’s easier to see him at or near the top of the PF list than the C list. Since he played both positions and the desired narrative is to promote Duncan’s greatness, the media and the NBA call him a PF. He looks better that way, but IMO he was more of a C.

    16. massive

      How awesome would it be if we could say “eFG% is the only stat that matters when it comes to predicting a win loss record?”

    17. JK47

      I would say that if the “win now” Knicks of 2016-2017 win 40 games, that classifies as a failure.

    18. Mike Kurylo Post author

      ESPN has us at 40-42 and 9th in the East.

      I think that’s fair.

      Did they factor in that the Knicks got former MVP Derrick Rose? Also did they account Phil Jackson’s 11 rings? Do they have access to the vast modern databases that NBA front offices do?

    19. Mike Kurylo Post author

      I would say that if the “win now” Knicks of 2016-2017 win 40 games, that classifies as a failure.

      Incorrect. It’s 40 successes.

    20. Knew Your Nicks

      “40-42…one small step for a super team, one giant leap for KP’s Knicks”

    21. Z-man

      I would say that if the “win now” Knicks of 2016-2017 win 40 games, that classifies as a failure.

      Definitely very disappointing. And definitely a failure for this coming year. As to long term, I’d have to look at the reasons for the record and the implications going forward. Did KP go down with a shoulder injury in game 20 and miss the rest of the season? Or play all 82 games but just not develop much? Did Noah blow out his knee, or play healthy but still as poorly as last 2 years? Did all the young, new faces (Willy, Kuz, Ndour) all play like D-Leaguers? Does Melo demand a trade?

      But don’t worry, this team is finishing with a winning record and a playoff berth.

    22. SJK

      The thing is, no matter how disappointing it would be to miss the playoffs, I’m pretty optimistic generally about our long-term future. KP is only 20 years old. He won’t reach his prime for 5-6 years. Unless we trade away more future draft picks, I think we’re in a pretty good spot in terms of at least being able to draft and develop guys alongside him. We’re trying to win now, but we haven’t mortgaged the future in anyway. KP will still just be 24 by the time Noah, Lee, and Melo’s contracts all expire.

      And if we blow up and continue to suck, I’d imagine Melo demands a trade at some point.

    23. Frank O.

      I don’t know how I feel about this season.
      Once again, we will have a team and coach that will spend the first quarter of the year just figuring out what they are.
      I love that we have picks coming.
      And KP.
      The rest, Meh

    24. GoNyGoNyGo

      I want to see the “final” Knick roster before I make a prediction. I want to see how the corps of injured warriors are health-wise too. I’ll assume the roster stays stable and that Noah, Rose, Melo and Jennings all play 70+ games. That being said, I put the number between 45-50.

      Let’s take the Celtics and match them up vs the Knicks:
      PG: Isaiah Thomas vs Derrick Rose
      SG: Avery Bradley vs Courtney Lee
      SF: Jae Crowder vs Carmelo Anthony
      PF: Amir Johnson vs Kristaps Porzingis
      C: Al Horford vs Joquim Noah

      At PG, I call this in the Knicks favor, or at least even. I’m sure others disagree – vehemently.
      At SG, I call this even or give the slight edge to Boston. I like Bradley but not that much.
      At SF, Please don’t argue that Crowder is better than Melo. Please.
      At PF, No-brainer for me. KP > Amir Johnson
      At C, I like Horford but Noah is a match.

      It’s simplistic, but it’s the way I see it. I hope that I’m right.

    25. Theo

      Maybe 40 wins without major injuries. Hard to imagine, though, that nobody in the Melo, Noah, Rose and Jennings “supergroup” will get hurt at some point. So, 35 wins with a 3-game error margin is my prediction.

      This ain’t no “super-team”, Derrick. Stop smoking the good cigars!

    26. massive

      40 wins is a fair estimate after you take into consideration that the Knicks have an injury prone team. I’m sorry; I just do not believe that a team where Joakim Noah plays 2000+ minutes will win less than 40. He’s a superstar when he’s healthy and that’s with a shitty eFG%. Between Noah and Porzingis’ potential impact on both ends of the court combined with everyone else on the roster and the health issues, I think 40 games is a fair estimate. Fight me.

    27. massive

      Boston is better 1-4 over the Knicks, bro. Noah over Horford if he’s healthy though.

    28. Ben R

      I would say 38 wins win a large margin for error like +/- 8 wins. The injury potential and KP development is a huge craps shoot so I think our potential range is larger than normal. If everything breaks our way (Noah is relatively healthy, KP improves, Melo is healthy, Rose manages to be average) we win 46 wins, if things go poorly more like 30 wins.

    29. massive

      I’d go so far as to argue that a healthy Joakim Noah is the best player in the entire Atlantic Division with Kyle Lowry as a close second. A healthy Joakim Noah is elite at everything except scoring.

    30. DRose for Prez

      And you would be wrong. Melo is literally the only player in the division who ever would warrant a double team. (Maybe okafor?)Watch the highlights from the Melo stepping on the ref game. He was embarrassing crowder all night. Noah at his peak coukd make an arguement

    31. KnickfaninNJ

      Actually, the ESPN forecast assumed injury issues for the Knicks. To quote:

      The Knicks were the most improved team last season in terms of win-loss record, and now they’ve added former MVP Derrick Rose and Joakim Noah to the fold. If healthy, our projections could short the Knicks. However, our panel knows that Rose has missed 244 games the past five seasons and Noah has missed 68 games the past two seasons.

    32. Silky Johnson, Phil Jackson Hater of the Year

      I love KP but Amir Johnson is way better than him and will likely be next year. Prime Noah is the 2nd best player in the EC but by all indications he’s not in his prime anymore. Jae Crowder was better than Melo last year. Derrick Rose has been one of the worst players in the league and even with a statistically improbable bounce back year it’d only be (vaguely) reasonable to project him playing at a league average rate. Isaiah Thomas is a top 5-7 PG. Courtney Lee is better than Avery Bradley. There is no way we approach the Celtics in total basketball productivity

      This is a 35 win team with moderate injury luck. If no one gets injured and Rose isn’t the worst player in the league, put it to 39 or 40. If Rose is the worst player in the league and plays 70 games, bring that win total down to 30. If 2 of our injury prone players (Rose Jennings Noah Melo Lance) miss significant time, well, say hello to that top 5 pick.

    33. KnickfaninNJ

      Also, I think ESPN may have overestimated the Hornets. They predict them at 7th despite losing Jefferson, Lin and Lee. I don’t know about that. The East may not be outstanding next year, but there are a lot of pretty good team who will give Charlotte trouble.

    34. Cock Jowles, Betting the Under in 2017

      How awesome would it be if we could say “eFG% is the only stat that matters when it comes to predicting a win loss record?”

      I just threw team eFG% for the 2015-16 season into Excel to calculate the standard deviation.

      Average is .502. The Warriors are an obnoxious 3 standard deviations from mean, while the Lakers (.460) are 2 from mean, nearly a standard deviation from the #29 team and the #28 team (the Knicks at .483!).

      Okay, so no big deal. The #1 team won 73 games and the #30 team won 17. Probably not a strong causal relationship between shooting well and winning basketball games. Whatever.

      Here’s where it gets scary. Out of the players who played over 500 minutes for the Knicks, here are the leaders in eFG%, in descending order, with brackets around the players who are gone:

      [Calderon]
      [Lopez]
      [Afflalo]
      Thomas
      [Williams]
      O’Quinn
      Vujacic
      Anthony
      Porzingis
      [Galloway]
      [Grant]
      [Seraphin]

      So if you want to set some arbitary endpoints, they lost 4 of their 5 leaders in eFG%. Also, they lost 3 of their worst 3 eFG% players. They have been replaced by the following. Remember that .460 was the Lakers’ eFG% and by far the worst team eFG% for the season.

      Rose .448 (on an unconscionable 25.1 FGA/100)
      Noah .383 (holy shit)
      Jennings .452
      Lee .518 (thank you thank you thank you)
      Holiday .465

      What’s your positive spin on this situation?

    35. SJK

      I would say 38 wins win a large margin for error like +/- 8 wins. The injury potential and KP development is a huge craps shoot so I think our potential range is larger than normal. If everything breaks our way (Noah is relatively healthy, KP improves, Melo is healthy, Rose manages to be average) we win 46 wins, if things go poorly more like 30 wins.

      I can’t see how we don’t improve over last year, even if Rose and/or Noah ends up missing games. I’d put us at 40 or 41 wins +/- 7-8. I can’t really see us being much better than 48 wins, but I also don’t see us being much worse than 34.

    36. massive

      I’m 100% confident when I say Derrick Rose will be better than he was the past two years. He’ll at worst be 2011 Ray Felton and at best be 2012 Jeremy Lin (which means the games after Linsanity as well) minus the turnovers.

    37. massive

      First of all, buck-o, I don’t have a positive outlook on the Knicks. I want badly for everything stat based to be wrong and for the Knicks to be the “super team” Derrick Rose is claiming we will be. I don’t see that as possible and I’m already looking ahead to the 2017 NBA draft. However, I choose to acknowledge that team eFG% is only one of the four factors with the other three (turnovers, rebounding, and free throws) being areas where the Knicks can be at least average at while being a good defensive team. Noah and O’Quinn are great rebounders who project to see a lot of minutes this season. Melo usually keeps a low TOV% to go along with his probably-too-high usage so that helps us in the turnover department, and it’s not out of the realm of possibility for KP and D Rose to get fouled more often in a hopefully revamped triangle offense. The Knicks with Lee, Thomas, KP, Noah, Holiday, and to a lesser extent Melo project to be one of the better defensive teams in the NBA next year. You have great rim protection and rebounding to go along with good wing defense with the only thing missing on the roster being a pesky guard to force turnovers at the point of attack.

      The Knicks are a good bet to be bottom 5 team in eFG%, but there is a chance they can be a statistical outlier because they do not project to be terrible at any of the other factors that determine team success. Of course eFG% is huge, but it isn’t everything. You should know that. WP48 loves Noah despite his piss poor eFG%.

    38. iserp

      Average is .502. The Warriors are an obnoxious 3 standard deviations from mean, while the Lakers (.460) are 2 from mean, nearly a standard deviation from the #29 team and the #28 team (the Knicks at .483!).

      Okay, so no big deal. The #1 team won 73 games and the #30 team won 17. Probably not a strong causal relationship between shooting well and winning basketball games. Whatever.

      Well, the 2003-04 Detroit pistons were the #20 team at eFG% at .461, so not everything’s lost.

    39. massive

      Here’s a list of teams from this past season that had a below league average eFG that made the playoffs:

      1) Memphis Grizzlies (.477 eFG, ranked 29th)
      2) Boston Celtics (.488 eFG, ranked 24th and they had a Pythagorean WL record of 50-32)
      3) Detroit Pistons (.491 eFG ranked 22nd)
      4) Indiana Pacers (.497 eFG, ranked 20th)

      Conversely, the Washington Wizards and Sacramento Kings were 9th and 10th in offensive eFG% and missed the playoffs. Orlando and Utah were the other two teams in the top 16 to miss the playoffs but they were 15th and 16th. eFG% means a lot as 75% of the playoff teams in the league were above league average, but 25% is enough reason to hope for me. If the Knicks defend well and dont completely blow the other 3 of the four factors, they have a shot. That’s why I think forty wins is a fair assessment.

    40. Donnie Walsh

      Unfortunately, 40-42 for the 9th seed is the absolute worst outcome possible for this season. So they better drastically overperform, or drastically underperform for any good to come out of this reboot.

    41. massive

      Great point Donnie. I mean it could all go to shit if in November Joakim Noah tears his ACL. Then we will be screwed like a muhhfuck unless KP doubles his rebound rate and Melo moves to the 4

    42. SJK

      Unfortunately, 40-42 for the 9th seed is the absolute worst outcome possible for this season. So they better drastically overperform, or drastically underperform for any good to come out of this reboot.

      Yeah, but it’s not that bad of a worst case scenario unless one of two things happens: 1) KP gets hurt or doesn’t develop 2) Noah gets hurt again/looks completely washed up.

      If we win 40 games because DRose wasn’t good and we had a bad eFG, it’s not that big of a deal. It would’ve been nice to get a better draft pick, but we’d still add a first round pick and then replace DRose. Not that big of a deal.

    43. Z-man

      Celtics were 24th in eFG% @.488 and .001 away from 27th, won 48 games.

      Grizzlies were 29th @ .477 and won 42 games; lost Mark Gasol at the ASB (and his .463 eFG%) and finished on a 3-14 bender. With Gasol, they probably win 50 games. They were also 24th in defensive eFG% @.518.

      Pistons were #22 @ .491 and won 44 games.

      Wizards were tied for 8th at .511 and missed the playoffs.

      Kings were 10th at .510 and won 33 games.

    44. Nick C.

      For me priority one is the development of Kristaps. Without that everything going forward is kinda moot.

    45. Knew Your Nicks

      Phil covered our ‘ass’ from all over this offseason.
      If we go “really shit” we’re going to pair KP with a great first round pick.
      If we go amazing we’re going to attract big name free agents.
      If we just make the playoffs or even slightly improve our last season’s record we will make a nice step to the right direction.
      I don’t even feel threatened to be mocked by DRose’s super team comment.

      Sooooo Cool i’m feeling as a knick fan right now !
      yes sir !

    46. rama

      I’d put us at 40 or 41 wins +/- 7-8. I can’t really see us being much better than 48 wins, but I also don’t see us being much worse than 34.

      That sounds about right to me. A highly volatile team, with multiple plus players and multiple injury risks. Even with his injuries Melo has been relatively consistent, so I think our best shot is KP taking a leap forward and Noah staying healthy. Then we edge toward 48 wins.

      Oddly, the more I look at the various possibilities, the less of an impact DRose seems to have. In the end I don’t see he’ll gain us or lose us more than 2 or 3 games either way. It’s Noah and KP.

    47. ClashFan

      I see the Knicks at 41 wins, +/- 20.

      So, somewhere between 21 and 61 wins.

      In other words, I have no clue!

    48. Cock Jowles, Betting the Under in 2017

      There is a slight possibility that everyone synergizes and this team wins 45.

      There is an enormous possibility that most of the team is awful and the team wins 20.

    49. Z-man

      There is an enormous possibility that most of the team is awful and the team wins 20.

      trollin’
      got my under in
      keep trollin’
      like the troll I am,
      dolan and his knicks suck behind
      just keep trollin’ o-h-o-h-o-n…

    50. lavor postell

      Anybody that really believes Jae Crowder is better than Melo is being fucking silly. When Crowder can handle the usage of a primary option, while being a plus rebounder for his position and his team’s highest assist maker this will be a worthwhile conversation. Crowder’s a nice player on an awesome contract, but he’s also benefiting tremendously by rarely having to create his own shot in his role offensively and Brad Stevens being a regular season coaching wizard.

    51. Silky Johnson, Phil Jackson Hater of the Year

      I don’t think it’s unreasonable to say that Jae Crowder played better than Melo did last season–a better player over multiple years? More than likely not. But Melo shot like shit last season, so it wasn’t particularly hard to be a better player than he was even though he was a plus rebounder and passer

    52. lavor postell

      It’s completely unreasonable. Melo was on near 30 usage while being his team’s best play maker and leading rebounder. Crowder was more efficient, but was only on 18 usage while benefiting from getting way more assisted looks. He also shot a little bit worse from 3 than Melo.

    53. DRose for Prez

      @lavor please stop with statistical context. That’s not what’s done here. You are making too much sense

    54. Silky Johnson, Phil Jackson Hater of the Year

      How is it unreasonable to think a player that beats another in WS/48, WP/48, BPM, and ties in VORP is the better one? Being a high usage average/below average efficiency scorer just means that you’re taking shots away from players who could be shooting better than you–“someone has to take the shots” doesn’t mean that you aren’t hurting your team. Crowder is a far better defender, too. Again, I’m not saying Crowder is better, full stop. I’m saying it’s reasonable–in fact, so reasonable that the burden of proof ought to be on the people making the opposite case, given what the productivity metrics say–to think that Crowder played better than Melo last season.

      Maybe Melo would’ve been better than Crowder last season if he didn’t take so many stupid shots

    55. DRose for Prez

      Because basketball is not an excel spreadsheet. Furthermore Melo wasn’t really taking bad shots last year. For the first 40-50 games dude just couldn’t shoot. Then when he got rolling , he rolled his ankle against the same Boston team.

    56. DRose for Prez

      Being a high usage average/below average efficiency scorer just means that you’re taking shots away from players who could be shooting better than you

      This is funny because this is the inverse arguement for Calseron. He passed up open shots so “worse” shooters can shoot. Then his shooting numbers look good, and your ilk eat it up and say he’s a good and productive shooter. Amazing

    57. lavor postell

      @63

      Crowder has the luxury of only taking good shots because he never is asked to create his own shot. When he is creating his own shot he’s pretty bad at it. He’s also a far worse rebounder, ball handler and playmaker than Melo.

    58. Cock Jowles, Betting the Under in 2017

      hahahahaha

      The player compared to Melo changes, but the argument remains the same.

    59. massive

      Crowder’s .518 eFG% and .565 TS% was a lot better than Melo’s .474 eFG% and .530 TS%, and he also has one less turnover per 36 than Melo. Other than that Melo is better than Crowder at everything, but we can’t discount that Crowder has Melo beat in two of the four factors. Could Crowder do what Melo does? Nah, but that doesn’t mean that what Crowder does cannot be more valuable than what Melo does.

    60. lavor postell

      He has one less turnover because he doesn’t handle the ball. Very few players have as low a turnover rate as Melo at his levels of usage. Melo also averages more than double the assists Crowder does.

      @67

      Do you wake up every day trying to be as big a prick as possible or does that just come naturally?

    61. d-mar

      Do you wake up every day trying to be as big a prick as possible or does that just come naturally?

      To be fair, I think he works really hard at being a prick

    62. Z-man

      Yeah, but is his efficiency as a prick due to his innate talent, or does it depend on who he’s surrounded by?

    63. Grocer

      If we just make the playoffs or even slightly improve our last season’s record we will make a nice step to the right direction.

      Not really. Last year we were at .500 then Melo (best offensive option) and Thomas (best perimeter defender) got injured. We also had a coach who couldn’t win close games.

      Just shifting to an experienced effective coach should net us 1/2 of our close losses (if we hadn’t changed the roster) which would translate to something like 6-8 additional wins in the last half of last season. If we improve to 40-42 we’ve taken a huge step backwards in terms of the roster, because that’s where we should have been last season if we’d had a competent coach, and we’d have more cap space and flexibility without this roster turnover.

    64. Cock Jowles, Betting the Under in 2017

      Oh, it’s definitely you. I feel like I’m arguing with a bunch of flat earth people. If you are that deep in denial about the very real possibility that the Knicks put up the worst shooting percentage in the league and how that will affect their ability to reach their 2011 All-Star Weekend potential, yeah: I’m gonna call you out on it. This team is gonna lose a lot of games. It’s almost a certainty that whoever replaces Derrick Rose after he has another minor season-ending injury is going to be better than he would otherwise be. If that’s not a point of agreement between us, I’m going to come off as an asshole. But I am also right.

    65. dtrickey

      I think we are at the point with the off-season when just about every argument as to why this team will either suck, be kind of meh or exceed expectation has been put forward. The debate has lived up to KB standards, but I think all the chips have been put down so now we just have to wait and see. I guess the interesting part about the upcoming season is we just don’t know how this team is going to perform. I mean there is plenty of data for us to formulate some decent hypotheses that should paint a picture of what could go down, but so much hinges on some outside factors (health, KP’s development to name a couple). Should all make for an interesting year on KB.

    66. Z-man

      Oh, it’s definitely you. I feel like I’m arguing with a bunch of flat earth people. If you are that deep in denial about the very real possibility that the Knicks put up the worst shooting percentage in the league and how that will affect their ability to reach their 2011 All-Star Weekend potential, yeah: I’m gonna call you out on it. This team is gonna lose a lot of games. It’s almost a certainty that whoever replaces Derrick Rose after he has another minor season-ending injury is going to be better than he would otherwise be. If that’s not a point of agreement between us, I’m going to come off as an asshole. But I am also right.

      No problem Jowles. I find your doomsday shit to be entertaining, it’s not like you’re running for president or anything.

      Two seasons ago, you predicted 37 wins. You were off by 20. So far, you have been harping on the “very real possibility that this team wins 20 games.”. If that is an actual prediction, it’s “almost a certainty” that you will break that record this year.

    67. rama

      @77

      It’s good, to be fair – gotta be at least 4.2 VORP. It’s often some pretty high-quality trolling.

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