Knicks Morning News (2016.07.26)

  • [NY Newsday] Carmelo Anthony brings athletes, police, community together in L.A.
    (Monday, July 25, 2016 10:39:12 PM)

    Carmelo Anthony spent the U.S. Olympic basketball team’s precious day off running a two-hour town hall meeting at a South Los Angeles youth center because he can’t sleep anymore.

  • [SNY Knicks] Are the Knicks a “super team”?
    (Monday, July 25, 2016 1:16:54 PM)

    Derrick Rose recently called the Knicks one of the NBA’s two “super teams”

  • [NYTimes] Carmelo Anthony and Michael Jordan Address Social Issues With Differing Approaches
    (Tuesday, July 26, 2016 1:46:11 AM)

    Anthony hosted a community forum with local youth and police officers, while Jordan said in a statement that he was “deeply troubled” by recent violence.

  • [NYTimes] Michael Jordan Says He Is ‘Deeply Troubled’ by Recent Police-Related Violence
    (Monday, July 25, 2016 8:23:58 PM)

    The former N.B.A. star and owner of the Charlotte Hornets said he was “deeply troubled” by the recent killings committed by and against police officers.

  • [NYTimes] Players Criticize W.N.B.A. For Fines Over Shirts Worn to Underscore Shootings
    (Monday, July 25, 2016 5:57:33 PM)

    Three teams were fined $5,000 and each player was fined $500 for wearing T-shirts intended to raise awareness in the aftermath of recent shootings by and of the police.

  • [NYTimes] Cavs Coach Lue Agrees New Five-Year Deal
    (Tuesday, July 26, 2016 5:03:27 AM)

    The Cleveland Cavaliers and head coach Tyronn Lue have agreed on a new five-year deal worth $35 million, the Cleveland Plain Dealer reported on Monday.

  • [NYTimes] AP Source: Lue, Cavs Agree to Multiyear Contract Extension
    (Tuesday, July 26, 2016 2:00:49 AM)

    Along with a sparkling diamond ring, Tyronn Lue’s getting another reward for an NBA title.

  • [NYTimes] WNBA President on Rescinded Fines: We Needed to Move Forward
    (Monday, July 25, 2016 11:37:08 PM)

    WNBA President Lisa Borders says she hopes that rescinding the fines the league imposed over black warmup shirts worn in solidarity for shooting victims will lead to a fresh start on social activism for the players and their union.

  • [NYTimes] Oerter, Not Phelps, the Greatest Olympian: Historian
    (Monday, July 25, 2016 8:12:29 PM)

    An Olympic historian disagrees with a widely held consensus that American swimmer Michael Phelps is the greatest ever Olympian.

  • [NYTimes] AP Sources: Dion Waiters to Miami on 1-Year Deal
    (Monday, July 25, 2016 7:00:40 PM)

    Two people with knowledge of the situation tell The Associated Press that the Miami Heat have agreed to terms on a one-year deal with free agent guard Dion Waiters.

  • [ESPN] Carmelo Anthony is bringing discourse back
    (Monday, July 25, 2016 8:14:05 PM)

    Carmelo Anthony is bringing discourse back

  • [ESPN] Melo praises Jordan for addressing racial unrest
    (Monday, July 25, 2016 7:49:59 PM)

    Melo praises Jordan for addressing racial unrest

  • [NYDN] SEE IT: Even ‘Suicide Squad’ references Phil’s triangle offense
    (Monday, July 25, 2016 2:17:50 PM)

    Phil Jackson and his triangle offense won five NBA championships in Los Angeles.

  • [NYDN] Tommie Smith wants Carmelo Anthony to seize moment
    (Monday, July 25, 2016 9:14:42 AM)

    ‘It’s easy for people to talk,’ says Smith, whose powerful gesture during the 1968 Olympics still resonates.

  • 42 replies on “Knicks Morning News (2016.07.26)”

    Zhao Jiwei is a 20 year 6’1″ point guard from China who just scored 14 points on 10 attempts against Team USA in an exhibition game. Maybe he’s worth taking a look at. Does anyone know much about him?

    “If we just make the playoffs or even slightly improve our last season’s record we will make a nice step to the right direction.”

    Not really. Last year we were at .500 then Melo (best offensive option) and Thomas (best perimeter defender) got injured. We also had a coach who couldn’t win close games.

    Just shifting to an experienced effective coach should net us 1/2 of our close losses (if we hadn’t changed the roster) which would translate to something like 6-8 additional wins in the last half of last season. If we improve to 40-42 we’ve taken a huge step backwards in terms of the roster, because that’s where we should have been last season if we’d had a competent coach, and we’d have more cap space and flexibility without this roster turnover.

    40-42 will be a huge step backwards ????+!!!!

    We’re not in “win now” mode.
    1 year ago we picked as 4th !
    We’re just going forward any way possible w/o damaging our future.
    Things look promising.Trust me.

    If you go by the name factor of the new acquisition, in particular Noah and Rose, then really anything less than maybe 47 wins and getting out of the first round of the playoffs is a fail on that front. I guess if you wanted to be a homer than better than the Bulls last year which was 42-40 and no playoffs. As for me, I think they will underwhelm, so I just look to the future and Porzingis’ development.

    I grew up reading William C Rhoden, his coverage of the Knicks, and other fine subjects. (Maybe in his retirement, he can pen a few KB articles from time to time, just to keep the machinery sharp?)

    There’s been a ton of talk here about how, last year, Derrick Rose was the “worst player in the league” in part because he had such a rotten eFG% for the year. After January 1 (aka, when he started seeing one basket instead of two or three), Rose had an eFG% of abut .492 for the rest of the year. Anyone care to guess how many qualified point guards had an eFG% over .500 last year? A whopping 10. Here is a list of some of the guys who were below .500 — Lillard, Irving, Walker, Teague and Rondo. Here is a list of some of the guys who were below .490 — Westbrook (yes, that Westbrook), I. Thomas, R. Jackson, Wall, Schroeder, Lin and Payton. Sorry, but that list doesn’t fit the “worst player in the league” narrative.

    It’s brilliant. So needed and just the right kind of thing to do IMO: open-ended frank conversation to increase understanding and build trust. I hope its widely copied across the country and the media attention helps ensure that results are captured effectively and used to inform the policy debate.

    Johnno, what’s so difficult about accepting that Derrick Rose was awful last season?

    Westbrook’s free throw rate and assist rate are both about double Derrick Rose’s free throw rate and assist rate, which is why Westbrook has a .554 TS% compared to Rose’s .479, and why his WS48 was over .200 while Rose’s was barely over zero.

    I think that Rose was like Ray Felton ’10-’12 bad last year. Where I differ with many here is that I think he will be much better this year, with a full, rehab-free offseason, a contract year and a solid group of starters aroundd him.

    Rose was a shit show last season except for that small stretch of games after the ASB. The eFG% stuff looks good but Rose absolutely needs to spend more time shooting free throws if he wants to be a positive contributor on a basketball court.

    eFG% is a large part of what makes a player effective but you also need to gauge a player’s TOV%, their rebound rate, and free throw rates relative to their positions (and then how they affect these aspects of the game defensively). Rose has been horrible since he tore his ACL largely because of that eFG%, but also because he doesn’t do much else above an average rate as an NBA point guard.

    My hopes are that everyone who is saying Rose has his health back is right and that we’ll see him get to the foul line more often as a result of it. We’re going to win most of our games on defense, though. Bank on that.

    “Johnno, what’s so difficult about accepting that Derrick Rose was awful last season?”
    I have no problem accepting that he was horrible/terrible/awful during the first 30 games of the year when he was seeing double and had an eFG% of something like .420 and a TS% of about .440. The last 50 games, when he had an eFG% of over .490 and a TS% over .510, he wasn’t great, but he was nowhere near being the worst point guard in the league. I haven’t done the calculations (mainly because I don’t know the formulas), but my guess is that WP48, WS48 and PER would all agree with me on that. By the way, I focused on eFG% because, for some reason, a lot of people have been focused on it the last few days (probably because the Knicks were near last in the league in eFG% last year, so it fits the “Knicks have sucked, do suck and will continue to suck” narrative). I was also pointing out that, while the league-wide average eFG% is north of .500, the average for point guards is much lower.

    I get the theory of W/S but I am not overly familiar with how it is calculated. Is it possible to break that down by quarters of the season?

    A compromise for all concerned with super-team member Derrick Rose: he was not the worst point guard in the NBA last year; he was just awful and one of the worst ones.


    I get the theory of W/S but I am not overly familiar with how it is calculated. Is it possible to break that down by quarters of the season?

    I track something that is ~90% correlated to BPM and ~85% correlated to WS and puts Rose at roughly replacement level BPM post Dec 31 (equates to a BPM of around -2), which is a material improvement over the first two months (which were substantially below replacement level). Rose’s post 12/31 stats are about 20/5/4 per 36 with 3 T0, 0.8 Steals. 3.1 FTA and a TS of 50.7%, with unfavorable defensive on/off differentials.

    Since his major injury, Derrick Rose’s free throw rate has cratered, his ability to finish near the rim has cratered and his assist rate has cratered. Maybe he can get some of that ability back, I don’t know. But getting that ability back is only half the battle– you also need the highly injury prone Rose to STAY healthy and avoid further injuries. So you need two unlikely outcomes instead of just one.

    Over the last 52 games of the regular season, Rose played in 37 of them and had a TS of .508. That’s not good, but it’s not terrible. In terms of NBA guards who got minutes he’d be about 80th. What exacerbates it is that Rose isn’t good at anything else. He’s an okay rebounder. He doles out assists like Jose Calderon, who everyone here hated, except he also turns the ball over. He can’t play defense. And he shoots a fucking ton, despite not being good at shooting. I bag on Melo for shooting too much, but at least he’s above average overall. Despite being relatively inefficient, only 11 guards in the NBA shot more frequently than Rose.

    None of this is to say he won’t be better next year. But you should recognize that he’s got a long way to go.

    Amare retired. Damn shame he couldn’t stay healthy. Pre-injury Amare was one of the most fun players to watch play in the NBA in a long time.

    Weird that Amare retired as a Knick, but okay, for whatever that is worth.

    He really was an amazing combination of size/power/speed… Didn’t hurt having Nash. Who else compared physically with him… Maybe Shawn Kemp?

    red wine salespeople mourn
    fire extinguisher salespeople mourn
    homophobic slur lovers mourn

    Bah humbug, that guy should have never been a Knick.

    Amar’e was one of the best injury prone volume scorers with mediocre efficiency who didn’t play defense or have any other secondary skills that the Knicks ever had.

    Amare was a high efficiency, high volume scorer.

    With the Phoenix Suns.


    His scoring efficiency his last 3 seasons with the Knicks was still excellent.

    Him retiring as a Knick seems more of an FU to the Suns than anything else.

    Could always get buckets. He just couldn’t stay healthy or play a lick of defense.

    Amare’s one on one defense was actually passable, but once a screen was set and he had to switch or help, he was as clueless as anyone I’ve ever seen on a basketball court. I’m sure you could easily create a 5 minute video of hilarious “Amare lost on defense” moments.

    Amar’e was one of the best injury prone volume scorers with mediocre efficiency who didn’t play defense or have any other secondary skills that the Knicks ever had.

    But where exactly does he sit on that illustrious list? Better than Allan Houston? Better than Bernard King? Better than Kiki Vandeweghe? Better than Lee Nailon?

    Sad to hear about STAT, but probably for the best in the end. I don’t think he had much left in the tank. Although he may not have lived up to expectations, he will still be a favourite Knick of mine; largely for the 2010-2011 (pre-Melo trade) season when he was in MVP form and actually made watching the Knicks exciting.

    Completely forgot about the time he punched a fire extinguisher and fucked up his hand IN THE PLAYOFFS. He was the embodiment of the fleeting hope of the Dolan-era Knicks: an ex-star (and he was a fucking superstar in his prime) who was so injury-prone that nobody wanted to insure his contract. The best pick and roll finisher in the league, and probably the worst pick and roll defender in the league. He embraced his role as a leader on the 2010-11 Knicks, scoring 30 points for nine games in a row on a borderline playoff team that looked like they actually enjoyed playing with each other. They had youth and a semi-coherent roadmap for future success. Modest as they were, they were my favorite Knicks team ever up until that point.

    Naturally, Dolan forced Donnie Walsh’s hand to trade the entire team for Carmelo mid-season for the right to get swept by the Celtics in the playoffs. Amar’e’s knees blew up because he played 37 minutes per game that season and he never was the same after that (though I will give him credit for at least trying to come back from some really gruesome injuries, which athletes generally don’t get enough credit for). Amar’e retiring as a Knick is odd given that his best years were in Phoenix, but who am I to judge? New York showered him with $100 million, an arena booming with MVP chants and a vibrant Jewish scene. Home is where the heart is.

    Best of luck Amar’e. We should have amnestied you when we had the chance.

    I’ll miss Amar’e. He wasn’t elite when he came here, but was the best we had at the time and he made it possible for me to enjoy watching games again. His knees didn’t hold up but he played with a lot of heart and nobody worked harder or had to overcome as much as him.

    Amare easy to like, easy to get injured. He tried hard in NY, but his best days were behind him.

    May he enjoy his millions in peace.

    Amare showed his character in how he shared the spotlight and battled his bodily decline. That soothed the agony of watching his perpetual disorientation on D. I hope he didn’t blow the whole $100m and that he prospers in his next act.

    Man, I hated Lee Nailon so fucking much

    I’m beginning to think you ARE Lavor Postell.

    As for Amare, not sure why all the hate. He gave his best and was fun to watch while he was healthy, and it wasn’t his fault he broke down and we got stuck with a bad contract. He was actually a better help and weakside defender than man-to-man (thus his high block total), which indicates he was trying hard, even if he was indeed clueless on switches and PnR. I loved that team with him and Gallo and Chandler – very rootable. Yeah, he broke his hand punching a fire extinguisher, but I appreciate the fire if not the stupidity. He wanted to win.

    Not that we shouldn’t have amnestied him….but all in all, he was very New York, red wine baths and all. I was glad to have him on our team.

    who was so injury-prone that nobody wanted to insure his contract.

    Well, they actually took a look at his knees and decided he was uninsurable. And then we maxed him.

    No beef with Amare but my feelings on acquiring him are exactly what they were when it happened.

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