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Knicks Morning News (2015.02.26)

  • [New York Post] What Derek Fisher is looking for from Carmelo when he returns (Thu, 26 Feb 2015 03:26:51 -0500)
    BOSTON — Derek Fisher is hoping Carmelo Anthony rejoins the club soon to serve as an off-the-court leader. Anthony has stayed away from the Knicks since his knee surgery Thursday….

  • [New York Times] Kevin Garnett a Winner in Emotional Return to Wolves (Thu, 26 Feb 2015 09:31:52 GMT)
    All the years he’d been gone and all the thunderous standing ovations he received when he returned to Target Center with the Celtics and Nets, and Kevin Garnett still never fully realized just how much the Minnesota fans loved the franchise’s biggest star.

  • [New York Times] Derrick Rose’s Injury the Latest Blow to Class of 2008 (Thu, 26 Feb 2015 09:25:31 GMT)
    The collective reaction from the NBA to Derrick Rose’s latest injury news was simple: “Not again.”

  • [New York Times] Matthews Scores 31, Blazers Beat Slumping Spurs 111-95 (Thu, 26 Feb 2015 07:34:35 GMT)
    Wesley Matthews and the Portland Trail Blazers hope they put their recent fourth-quarter woes behind them Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Suns End 5-Game Skid With 110-96 Win Over Nuggets (Thu, 26 Feb 2015 05:58:32 GMT)
    Brandon Knight is showing off his shooting touch to his new teammates. His playmaking at crunch time, too.

  • [New York Times] Kings Grind Out 102-90 Win Over Grizzlies in Sacramento (Thu, 26 Feb 2015 05:52:34 GMT)
    Rudy Gay scored 28 points, DeMarcus Cousins finished with 16 points and nine rebounds, and the Sacramento Kings grinded out a 102-90 win over the Memphis Grizzlies on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Suns End 5-Game Skid With 110-96 Win Over Nuggets (Thu, 26 Feb 2015 05:43:42 GMT)
    Brandon Knight hit two key late 3-pointers and had 19 points to help the Phoenix Suns snap a five-game losing streak with a 110-96 victory over the injury-depleted Denver Nuggets on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Sports Briefing | Pro Basketball: Mavericks Suspend Rajon Rondo (Thu, 26 Feb 2015 05:29:01 GMT)
    The Mavericks suspended Rajon Rondo for one game for conduct detrimental to the team a day after he had a heated exchange on the court with Coach Rick Carlisle.

  • [New York Times] Once Again, the Bulls Adjust to Life Without Their Playmaker (Thu, 26 Feb 2015 05:14:16 GMT)
    One day after learning that Derrick Rose would be out indefinitely with a knee injury, the Bulls went about the now-familiar process of regrouping.

  • [New York Times] Clarkson Leads Lakers Rally for 100-97 Win Over Jazz (Thu, 26 Feb 2015 05:07:56 GMT)
    Jordan Clarkson scored a career-high 22 points and the Los Angeles Lakers erased a double-digit deficit for a 100-97 comeback win over the Utah Jazz on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Kevin Garnett a Winner in Emotional Return to Wolves (Thu, 26 Feb 2015 04:52:50 GMT)
    His first game in a Timberwolves uniform in nearly eight years was 30 minutes away, and Kevin Garnett was bouncing off the walls in the locker room he called home for 12 years.

  • [New York Times] Celtics Rout Knicks 115-94 (Thu, 26 Feb 2015 04:52:44 GMT)
    The recently reshuffled Boston Celtics hadn’t practiced lately and it showed early in Wednesday’s game against the New York Knicks.

  • [New York Times] N.B.A. Roundup: Pelicans Win 3rd Straight, Beating Nets (Thu, 26 Feb 2015 04:39:08 GMT)
    Quincy Pondexter scored a career-high 25 points, and the host New Orleans Pelicans won their third straight, beating the Nets, 102-96.

  • [New York Times] Brewer’s Big 4th Quarter Helps Rockets Beat Clippers 110-105 (Thu, 26 Feb 2015 04:05:22 GMT)
    James Harden had 21 points, Corey Brewer scored 13 of his 20 points in the fourth quarter and the Houston Rockets snapped a six-game skid to the Los Angeles Clippers with a 110-105 win on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Celtics 115, Knicks 94: After Twitter Outburst, More Frowns for Knicks (Thu, 26 Feb 2015 03:59:43 GMT)
    The Celtics sent the Knicks to their eighth straight loss and in the process dropped them to 10-46, the worst record in the N.B.A.

  • [New York Times] Pondexter Leads Pelicans Past Nets, 102-96 (Thu, 26 Feb 2015 03:55:24 GMT)
    Quincy Pondexter scored a career-high 25 points and the New Orleans Pelicans won their third straight, 102-96 over the Brooklyn Nets on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Carter-Williams Impresses in Debut, Bucks Rout 76ers 104-88 (Thu, 26 Feb 2015 03:55:18 GMT)
    John Henson scored 21 points, Michael Carter-Williams had seven points and eight assists in his Milwaukee debut, and the Bucks built a big early lead against the point guard’s former team in a 104-88 win Wednesday night over the Philadelphia 76ers.

  • [New York Times] Heat Take Advantage of Magic Miscues in 93-90 Overtime Win (Thu, 26 Feb 2015 03:40:33 GMT)
    Luol Deng had 21 points, Dwyane Wade added 18 and the Miami Heat rallied to defeat the Orlando Magic 93-90 in overtime Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Hornets Beat Bulls 98-86 With Rose Out for Chicago (Thu, 26 Feb 2015 03:37:26 GMT)
    Michael Kidd-Gilchrist had 18 points and 12 rebounds, Mo Williams scored 17 and the Charlotte Hornets beat Chicago 98-86 Wednesday night after the Bulls learned Derrick Rose will have yet another knee surgery.

  • [New York Times] Leak in Roof Delays Mavericks-Hawks Game (Thu, 26 Feb 2015 01:31:12 GMT)
    A leaking roof at Philips Arena has caused a short delay in the first quarter of the game between the Dallas Mavericks and Atlanta Hawks.

  • [New York Times] Mavs Suspend Rondo for Game After Exchange With Carlisle (Thu, 26 Feb 2015 00:01:21 GMT)
    The Dallas Mavericks suspended Rajon Rondo for their game Wednesday night in Atlanta for conduct detrimental to the team, a day after the point guard had a heated exchange on the court with coach Rick Carlisle and was benched.

  • [New York Daily News] Bondy: Tanking Knicks exploiting a broken system (Thu, 26 Feb 2015 04:27:57 GMT)
    There was a high school girls’ basketball game in Tennessee last Saturday in which both coaches ordered their kids to lose.

  • [New York Daily News] Rebuilding Celtics trounce rebuilding Knicks (Thu, 26 Feb 2015 03:14:55 GMT)
    Carmelo Anthony opined during All-Star weekend that the NBA needs the large-market Knicks, Celtics and Lakers “to be those powerhouses.”

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    69 comments on “Knicks Morning News (2015.02.26)

    1. Frank

      This goes under the “looking for any silver lining” category, but we’re 18 games- nearly 25% of a season – into Galloway’s career and his defensive #s are actually getting better as the sample size grows. In fact I did a quick look through the reputation-ally great backcourt defenders in the league (Tony Allen, Chris Paul, Wesley Matthews, George Hill, Eric Bledsoe, etc.) and Galloway’s numbers are way better than any of theirs — and that’s with zero rim protection behind him — no Gasol, Jordan, Lopez, Hibbert, etc.

      http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/204038/tracking/defense/

      his shooting continues to suck (TS 48) but he’s shooting semi-adequately from 3P range (34%) and my feeling is he is taking a lot of shots that he wouldn’t be taking in any offense with actual, you know, NBA talent on it.

      He remains a great rebounder for a guard – top 5 if we consider him a PG, top 11 or so if we consider him a SG according to the Hollinger player stats. And he really never turns the ball over — best in the league if we consider him a PG, would be 4th in the league as SG.

      I know Z-man thinks he’s a flash in the pan but I think his peripherals are strong enough that he’s proving to be an actual rotation player.

    2. d-mar

      Please for the love of God, no Rondo. It would be a classic Knicks-y move – “well, he has a major attitude problem and a history of injuries, but you know, he was great in the playoffs 5 years ago and we think he’s got a lot to prove.”

      I just want absolutely no part of the guy.

    3. EB

      So what’s the over/under on games the Knicks either win or lose by less than 20 points for the rest of the season? I don’t think we play Philly again so I’m going with 4.

    4. johnno

      “Galloway reminds me a lot of Toney Douglass. ”
      For the first two years of his career (especially the second half of his second year), Douglas was a pretty good rotation player — both statistically (conventional and advanced) and by the eye test. When he was asked to do too much (i.e., be the starting point guard), he fell off a cliff forever. I agree that year 1-2 Douglas is a good comp for Galloway, which will make him a useful player, as long as he is not asked to be a 35 minute a game lead point guard. Maybe he someday becomes a big-time player, but probably not. Still a good find on a minimum contract, though.

    5. ephus

      In the Tankapalooza Roundtable, I predicted (1) Carmelo Anthony would not play another game after the ASG (not a big stretch), (2) the Knicks would be lucky to win 3 games after the ASG and (3) they would end up with pole position for the top pick.

      So I am sticking with my prediction that the Knicks end the season with no more than 13 wins.

      I have no prediction on the “lose by less than 20 points” because, as the Cleveland game demonstrated, big leads can shrink during extended garbage time.

    6. Frank

      i think Douglas and Galloway are similar-style players, ie. combo guards who can’t really be an offensive focus but who are valuable on defense — except that Toney Douglas was never a good defender despite his reputation, making him just a below-average player on both sides of the ball = now out of the NBA. Clearly Galloway has work to do on offense, but if the Sportvu defense dashboard stats (linked to above) can be believed, he’s an elite defender. I’m not sure it can be believed, but there is circumstantial evidence that he’s a difference maker on defense (ie. opponent eFG with him on the court is 4% worse than when he is off the court – 50.5 vs. 54.5).

      In terms of other 4 factor stuff, the Knicks’ eFG is 4 points better with him on the court (an awful 47.8% vs. a horrific 43.8%). Our ORB% is 4% better (25.4 vs. 21.1) and our TO% is 4.3% better (12.3 vs. 16.6) when he’s on the court vs. when he’s off. Some of it I’m sure has to do with how horrible our 2nd unit is, but there’s definitely a signal here.

      http://stats.nba.com/team/#!/1610612752/onoffcourt/fourfactors/

    7. hoolahoop

      I see Galloway as a much smarter and more versatile player than Tony Douglas.
      Tony Douglas was a streak shooter always looking for his streak. Unrestrained. Poor shot selection. Low BB IQ. Not PG material. Very good on-ball defender. And when he got hot, he could rack up points in a hurry. Overall, I didn’t like his game.
      I like Galloway’s game much more. HE’S A PASS FIRST PG! Also, he moves well with the ball, and has a good shot from behind the arc. If he works on his game I think he can become a very solid backup PG that can also play SG on a top tier team, and maybe a decent starter for a mediocre level team.

    8. DRed

      Galloway is not a pass first PG. He’s not a scoring PG. He’s not a PG at all. He’s a short, long armed 2-guard who we have playing some point because it doesn’t matter if we win or lose and it would be nice if he could develop his playmaking abilities so he’d be a better fit in the triangle (which spreads playmaking duties around).

    9. hoolahoop

      HE’S A PASS FIRST PG!

      He’s averaging 3.5 assists per 36 minutes….

      That’s exactly why you can’t totally rely on stats.
      Gallo looks to pass before he looks to shoot. There are no scorers on this knicks.

      And when are advanced stat guys going to start using AB?
      (Assists that were Blown)

    10. Nick C.

      That’s exactly why you can’t totally rely on stats.
      Gallo looks to pass before he looks to shoot. There are no scorers on this knicks.

      And when are advanced stat guys going to start using AB?
      (Assists that were Blown
      )

      I believe those are were known as Carmelo assists back in the days of poster(s) who no longer post. lol

    11. hoolahoop

      I believe those are were known as Carmelo assists back in the days of poster(s) who no longer post.

      Those are called ED’s.
      (Emergency Dump offs)

    12. Frank

      Galloway’s flaws will become more evident if/when the team improves. He is really backup-of-backup quality, 10-15 on a decent roster.

      I’m really not sure why you think this. Is it just the poor TS%? Not that that’s not important, but if you believe in the 4 factors, when Galloway’s in the game

      – Knicks eFG is higher, opponent’s is lower – and this is not true of all the other starters, so it’s not just that
      – Knicks ORB% is higher and TOV% is lower –> extra scoring possessions
      – and his individual SPORTVU defensive statistics suggest he’s a shutdown defender.

      what’s behind your thinking he’s a 15th man other than that you don’t like him?

      He’s a short, long armed 2-guard who we have playing some point because it doesn’t matter if we win or lose and it would be nice if he could develop his playmaking abilities so he’d be a better fit in the triangle (which spreads playmaking duties around).

      Agreed – except for the short part. it’s not his fault his neck is 2 inches shorter than it should be.

      These are exactly the kinds of players we used to throw away while chasing the volume scorers (man I sound like THCJ now!!).

      Is it possible that he’s the next Landry Fields and that he’ll turn back into a pumpkin? sure. I happen to think it’s more likely he turns into a poor man’s Wesley Matthews.

    13. djphan

      the good triangle ‘pgs’ that have played that role all had high a/to with low usage… so galloway is probably meant to play that role except he’s obviously being used a lot more than he should be right now…

      he’s going to be solid … i’m not worried about him…

    14. thenoblefacehumper

      Novak was a fan favorite and his defenders could come up with all sorts of numbers to ‘prove’ that the “benefits” (spreading the floor, scoring, ultra-efficient 3-point scoring, taking defenders away from Melo, etc., etc) far outweighed the obvious drawbacks; Chris Copeland was “Melo Light” and the Knicks not keeping him was a move debated by a lot of people until he never saw the light of day in a good team; Toney Douglas was good for the Knicks for a while (just like Galloway and Fields), but eventually people saw the truth; more recently, Cole Aldrich was a blog favorite right here, remember? His efficiency, scoring, defense, blah blah blah…was debated to no end. By now, it’s pretty much accepted he is just a bad player.

      Novak was a productive player in his time with us, he played over 1,600 minutes on our best team of the last 15 years. No one debated losing Copeland because there was literally no way we could keep him, we couldn’t offer more than $3 million. Toney Douglas was somewhat productive for a bit…and then he wasn’t, but it had nothing to do with people “seeing the truth”. People advocated for Aldrich to get minutes at the expense of luminaries like Andrea Bargnani, and nothing that’s happened since then proves that was unwise.

    15. hoolahoop

      His case is the case of a lot of players who become important in terrible teams.

      Yeah, sometimes it’s easier to be a standout on a team that doesn’t have a lot of talent. But it works both ways.
      Guys will often play better on a good team, especially if there utilized properly. JR and Shump are perfect examples.

    16. thenoblefacehumper

      Point being, there’s no reason to believe Galloway will fade into oblivion just because some random players we had in the past didn’t become Knicks’ lifers. He’s a very flawed player, but that’s true of most rookies, not to mention undrafted ones. Who knows how he’ll turn out? There’s no reason to dismiss the possibility of him being a contributor going forward.

    17. hoolahoop

      Copeland because there was literally no way we could keep him, we couldn’t offer more than $3 million. Toney Douglas was somewhat productive for a bit…and then he wasn’t, but it had nothing to do with people “seeing the truth”. People advocated for Aldrich to get minutes at the expense of luminaries like Andrea Bargnani, and nothing that’s happened since then proves that was unwise.

      Let’s be honest. The vocal majority was gah gah for Copeland and Cole. I took a thrashing for saying they were being overrated.

    18. hoolahoop

      JR and Shump are perfect examples.

      Can we at least wait until the end of the season for this?

      Cole needs a single play to be declared fantastic, but those guys need a lot of time, just to be sure.

    19. thenamestsam

      I’ll just add to this conversation that even if Galloway’s future is more like 10th man than 6th man, that’s still going to be reasonably valuable to the Knicks going forward because I think there’s a decent chance next year’s Knicks are going to be very, very shallow. They’re going to try to be good, but even if they sign 3 solid FAs and hit a homerun in the draft, next year’s bench is still going to need somebody to play some minutes, and it just isn’t possible to completely overhaul 10 roster spots in a single summer. Even having a mediocre bench guard (if that’s all he is) locked in holds some value in that scenario.

    20. GoNyGoNYGo

      @30 – They will need more than 3 solid FA’s. More like 3 stars and 3 solid backups. With 4 signed players and 1 draft pick, they’re signing 10 free agents.

    21. thenamestsam

      @30 – They will need more than 3 solid FA’s. More like 3 stars and 3 solid backups. With 4 signed players and 1 draft pick, they’re signing 10 free agents.

      My point is that isn’t all happening in one summer. You can’t sign six solid or better players in FA at the same time, both because of money issues (you’re going to need to use multiple summer’s worth of exceptions to round out those backup roles) and because it simply isn’t feasible. There’s only so much you can do at one time.

      Look at how the Heat built their roster in the Lebron era. We’re not getting Lebron obviously, but in terms of trying to build a contender from having 1 main piece in place it’s actually a reasonable analogy to what we’re trying to do. The first year they got all the core pieces set, but the depth and the bench was horrid. They spent the next few years trying to round out the roster before the core pieces split up or deteriorated. By year 3 of whatever team Phil puts together next year I’d hope they have a better backup guard than Galloway (unless he develops very nicely). By next year? I can’t see it happening that way.

    22. DRed

      Shumpert has almost a 60 TS% with the Cavs. How much of that is system and how much is just a hot streak? He’s taken 54 3s with Cleveland and is hitting them at a career best rate. Any chance he starts missing a few more? JR will definitely score more effectively in a system that limits him to catch and shoot 3s, but we’ve all seen JR play really well for stretches and then play . . .less well.

    23. DRed

      As far as Galloway goes, what do Novack, Copeland, Fields, Lin, and Toney Douglas have to do with him as a player? Absolutely nothing. Galloway has played well for a rookie, and played brilliantly well for an undrafted rookie free agent. He’s a bit undersized for his position, and he’s an older rookie, but there are real reasons to be cautiously optimistic about him.

    24. SJK

      Phil at the Ohio State game tonight scouting Russell… He’s the guy I want in the draft. Over both Okafor and Towns.

    25. stratomatic

      If we wind up with the 3rd pick and select D’Angelo Russell is anyone going to be very disappointed in the selection or the fact that we didn’t get Okafor or Towns?

      I don’t know how NBA ready Russell is, but I think he may have elite PG potential. I’m willing to wait a couple of years.

    26. stratomatic

      Shumpert has almost a 60 TS% with the Cavs. How much of that is system and how much is just a hot streak? He’s taken 54 3s with Cleveland and is hitting them at a career best rate. Any chance he starts missing a few more?

      They have so many weapons on offense, he’s not under any pressure to be a scorer. He’s also probably getting better looks. So performing a little better is not unexpected, but he’s not a 60 TS% player.

    27. Donnie Walsh

      If we wind up with the 3rd pick and select D’Angelo Russell is anyone going to be very disappointed?

      Anybody besides D’Angelo Russell you mean?

    28. Brian Cronin

      If we wind up with the 3rd pick and select D’Angelo Russell is anyone going to be very disappointed in the selection or the fact that we didn’t get Okafor or Towns?

      I dig Russell a lot, but yes, I’ll be very disappointed that they missed out on Towns and Okafor. But it is weird, since I’d still be very pumped at getting Russell. So very disappointed but still happy.

    29. Z-man

      I dunno, not wowed by Russell. Also not wowed by Okafor. Towns is my guy. He’s the only guy that strikes me as a probable 2-way star.

    30. Z-man

      As to Galloway, I won’t beat a dead horse, and of course, I hope I’m wrong. Frank is making him sound like a clone of Darrell Walker with a short neck. If he’s that, I’d take it, but I don’t see the comparison. I watched Bynum and Jack have their way with him. He’s not a defensive specialist, in my view.

    31. Kahnzy

      Ah there’s the JR and Shump we know. 1-8 between them, 0-4 on threes.

      Shumpert has been particularly ineffective tonight.

      Phil’s fault, obviously.

    32. DRed

      All my dissing on JR aside, his passing ability is a nice fit for this team especially since they seem unwilling or unable to run the offense through Love in the high post. Kyrie is nice, but he’s not really a PG, and I thought earlier in the year LBJ had too much playmaking responsibility. JR gives them a nice secondary or tertiary pass maker.

    33. hoolahoop

      Also not wowed by Okafor. Towns is my guy. He’s the only guy that strikes me as a probable 2-way star.

      I’m with you on Towns. He looks so much more athletic than Okafor. I think Russell would be good too, but I don’t know if he’s a triangle guy.

    34. djphan

      i wouldn’t be broken up about ok4 but towns would be the next great center in the nba… russell is going to be very good also…

    35. BklnBoy

      Gotta love Yahoo comments:

      “For all of you Warrior fans who continue to claim Bogut of perfect for this team, please explain why? I continue to say the Warriors should have gone after a big man, and still need to find one. Each time I do, talk is how well Bogut plays. Seriously, how well is Bogut playing? He ‘s not a beast on the boards, he doesn’t score double-digit points on a nightly basis, so what makes him better than any other starting Center out there?”

      lol

    36. hoolahoop

      Phil’s out to make a point. And, no matter how many buddhist books he reads, his ego still looks ‘XL’.
      I much prefer the uptempo style Kerr is running with Golden State.

    37. hoolahoop

      They were excellent pick ups for the Cavs. They just weren’t a bad loss for us.

      You can believe that – and still feel the knicks should have got more in return for them.

    38. er

      —They were excellent pick ups for the Cavs. They just weren’t a bad loss for us.

      +100000

      that was succinct and to the point. BTW Chris Webber just called JR a defensive warrior…….huh?

    39. Kahnzy

      that was succinct and to the point. BTW Chris Webber just called JR a defensive warrior…….huh?

      He’s also referred to him as Josh Smith. Seriously, Webber is the worst. Even worse than Reggie Miller.

    40. DRed

      I much prefer the uptempo style Kerr is running with Golden State.

      How do you think that style would look with Lou Amundson, Andrea Bargnani, Travis Wear, Langston Galloway and Jose Calderon running it? It would look like shit.

    41. er

      Great find SJK. Yea thats why I’ve been a proponent of the Monroe Towns pairing. Monroe can do what okafor can do now offensively and is better defensively and also has a mid range jumper. He’s only turning 25 in June

    42. hoolahoop

      How do you think that style would look with Lou Amundson, Andrea Bargnani, Travis Wear, Langston Galloway and Jose Calderon running it? It would look like shit.

      What style would look good with those guys?
      I meant when they actually got a team together.

    43. alsep73

      Calderon possibly out for remainder of the season.

      And Phil apparently is just thinking about using the stretch provision on him? Good lord. That was a hell of a trade.

    44. Brian Cronin

      I dunno whether that reference to the stretch provision was actually “they are actually thinking about doing it” or speculation by the article writer. But yeah, if they ended up stretching Calderon, that’d be kind of hilariously bad. Particularly since Felton stretched out would count for less against the cap than Calderon stretched out.

    45. DRed

      The annoying thing about Calderon is that he’d been playing well enough recently that I was in the process of fooling myself into thinking we’d be able to move him this summer.

    46. Donnie Walsh

      No surprise of course, but that NYPost headline is extremely misleading.

      It should say: “Caldron’s tenure with the Knicks could be over if the pain in his Achilles proves to be a tear, and if Phil is able to trade him or decides to eat the $14,000,000 remaining on his contract and waive him”. (It’s not very catchy, but still. The only actual news in the story is that Calderon’s Achilles is causing him discomfort.).

    47. Frank

      You know what would be a Morey-level move this summer?

      Sign Draymond Green to Parsons-like offer sheet.
      If W’s balk, he’s ours – I think that’s a good signing since he’s a “mini-max”, is multi-talented on both ends of the floor, and has room to grow.

      If W’s match, then their payroll will likely be well north of $100MM next year and they might be on the hook for a tax bill of $50MM. That’s a lot of money for anyone, even Lacob. Then we trade Calderon for David Lee and a lotto-protected 2018 first round pick (or potentially for whoever they pick in the draft this year at #30). They need a backup PG anyway, and the difference in salary (~8MM) could be worth as much as $25MM in tax + the $8MM in salary.

      I think Lee at a net cap hit of ~8MM and expiring after the season would be a great pickup, even regardless of the any picks that would come with Lee.

      Is this ridiculous? I dunno. Maybe not.

    48. yellowboy90

      I thought Livingston was their back up pg. Wouldn’t Lee take away from the cap space? Could the Knicks make the trade after the signed their FAs and if they did how would that work? Wouldn’t the salaries have to match thus nullifying the tax benefit?

    49. Brian Cronin

      My issue with the Lee/Calderon deal is that it seems more like it is geared toward 2016, but with Melo on his current deal, I think you sort of need to move faster.

    50. Frank

      My issue with the Lee/Calderon deal is that it seems more like it is geared toward 2016, but with Melo on his current deal, I think you sort of need to move faster.

      I think Lee is a great stopgap PF – a starting quality player on a good team IMHO, still averaging 16/11/4 per 36. We’re going to need new starters at C, PF, and at least 1 guard. Let’s just assume we’re getting Towns or Okafor to man the C position (Towns seemingly would be better to play next to Lee). Lee at a net cap hit of $8MM will give us a full max’s worth of $ to throw at the guard, whether it’s Butler or whoever.

      Lee still has those defensive deficiencies but I think he’d be great in the triangle (or any offense).

      I thought Livingston was their back up pg. Wouldn’t Lee take away from the cap space? Could the Knicks make the trade after the signed their FAs and if they did how would that work? Wouldn’t the salaries have to match thus nullifying the tax benefit?

      Barbosa is still playing 15 min/game for them.
      Re: cap space – yes he would take away from cap space but I think getting Lee for a net -8MM in cap space is a great deal, especially since he’s expiring at the end of 2015-16.

      Salaries would not have to match assuming the Knicks have enough cap space to absorb Lee’s extra $.

    51. Brian Cronin

      But because Lee is expiring and because he’s only getting worse as he ages (while yes, still a good player to be sure, especially on offense), you’re almost certainly replacing him in 2016, no? So you’d be starting over again in 2016 with a new team, of sorts.

      I will say this, though, seeing Melo playing with Lee would be kind of hilarious as that likely is what should have happened five years ago.

    52. Frank

      But because Lee is expiring and because he’s only getting worse as he ages (while yes, still a good player to be sure, especially on offense), you’re almost certainly replacing him in 2016, no? So you’d be starting over again in 2016 with a new team, of sorts.

      true. but we theoretically would get a draft pick out of it. is that good enough?
      food for thought anyway. so strange to have all this cap space to use to push other teams around with.

    53. Brian Cronin

      Oh true, the draft pick is nice. I just don’t think it’s enough to make it worth it, though. I think they need to get guys who will be here for the next four years. And you know I loves me some David Lee! :)

    54. Donnie Walsh

      I agree that GS will likely have to move David Lee this summer to keep the young core intact, I don’t see them having any interest in spending $7.5 mil on Steph Curry’s backup. They have Livingston in that role for cheaper, and 15 minute a night guards run cheap.

      Lee can still contribute, and his contract is coming to an end soon. I think NY would be smart to try to get him, but I think other teams can offer a better player than stinky Calderon.

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