What If… With the 4th Pick The Knicks Draft: Frank Kaminsky

With the order of the draft being settled, the writers of KnickerBlogger thought we’d go over the possible outcomes. But since we were whipping out the ol’ Crystal Ball, we decided to go a little past June & see what fate possibly has to offer…

2015 Draft Order
1 MIN Karl-Anthony Towns
2 LAL Jahlil Okafor
3 PHI Willie Cauley-Stein
4 NYK Frank Kaminsky

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What happened on Draft Day 2015

With the 4th pick in the draft, and three big men off the board, New York went with the trend and selected the 6-11 Frank Kaminsky. The fans were stunned at the turn of events, and when the selection was announced, they booed heartily. The hometown crowd even began chanting “Fi-re Jack-son!” during the draft telecast. In the coming days, Jackson gave numerous explanations for the selection: “Kaminsky was the best player available”, “New York needed a big man”, “the point guards available were inexperienced and didn’t fit the triangle”, “Frank the Tank would be a great locker room presence”, “he could play the 4 or 5”, “Kaminsky had a complete overall offensive game”, etc.

Fans weren’t pleased with Kaminsky’ low ceiling, mediocre athleticism, and questionable defense. With a less valuable pick they might have appreciated the Badger, but with the 4th overall pick the Knicks faithful wanted a sure-fire future All Star. To make matters worse, after New York’s pick the Celtics made a trade, giving up the 18th pick this year and a first rounder next year to the Orlando Magic in exchange for the 5th overall pick. Boston was high on D’Angelo Russell, was shocked to see him fall that far, and happily gave away more assets to acquire him.

What will be written on draft day in 2018

Although the New York Knicks just missed out on the 1st overall pick, they should have plenty of options available to them with the 3rd pick. This situation is similar to what happened in 2015, when the Knicks landed the 4th pick in the draft lottery. Since this might be the last draft the NBA has, and so much has changed since that time, let’s recap.

After the Knicks landed Kaminsky, the team became the butt of jokes across the nation. Before the season even started, late night comedians were yucking up New York’s poor judgement. The laughs had just about died down, when Hilary Clinton joked about the matter in what she thought was a private luncheon. While talking with an aide, she mentioned that “the Knicks are really dumb for taking that Pollock” and quipped “maybe he shoots a Ski-Hook? Get it?”. Unfortunately she was being video recorded by a local family, and the press got their hands on the file.

Although she tried her best to reverse the damage, the scandal grew exponentially and Hillary couldn’t recover. On the other hand, Scott Walker used the incident to his advantage. The Wisconsin Governor gained national prominence defending Kaminsky and attacking Clinton for her racist and snobbish views. Walker crushed the rest of the GOP field in the primaries, and defeated a then shell-shocked Clinton in the national election.

As for Kaminsky and the Knicks, Frank developed into a good scorer and a healthy rebounder. The forward-center wasn’t a great help defender, but overall his contribution on that end of the court was positive given his solid one on one play and defense on the perimeter, including the pick & roll. Unfortunately many of Kaminsky and Melo’s talents overlapped which didn’t give the team much of a bonus. Additionally, Jackson opted to spend bo-ku bucks on Monta Ellis, a move which also failed to address their weaknesses. For a year or two the Knicks were entertaining on offense, but a train wreck on defense. There was that Christmas Day Game in 2016 where the three each scored more 35 points, yet the team suffered a 151-143 OT loss. Of course in Boston, Celtics fans will remember the game as the one D’Angelo Russell dropped 39 points and 28 assists on the Knicks.

Last year injuries to ‘Melo and the lack of depth sent the team into a downward spiral from which they were unable to recover. Hopefully the team can get a top level talent in the draft to team with Kaminsky, and then use the cap space they’ll have from the eventual departure of ‘Melo to grab another All Star.

Off the court, President Walker replaced Ruth Bader Ginsburg with Fred Thompson, because he was “a big fan of Law & Order.” In early 2018, Walker was able to make all unions illegal, which meant the NBA union was forced to disband. Team owners have been talking of doing away with the current system of free agency, guaranteed contracts, and drafts, although it is unknown at this time what they’d replace it with.

In any case with the third pick, the Knicks have a lot of options, much like how I now have to chose how to use my government vouchers. I could send my kids to school and fix the broken street light at my corner, or do I save my Walker Bucks in case the police or firemen need to come to my house? Similarly the Knicks could opt for a point guard, an athletic forward, or one of the centers available …

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59 thoughts to “What If… With the 4th Pick The Knicks Draft: Frank Kaminsky”

  1. With each one of these “What Ifs…”, I feel like we’re getting closer and closer to the site trolling its users. Let’s do one with Myles Turner and see everything come out OK? Man.

  2. I started this blog in 2004. Just after Isiah joined the team and traded for Marbury. It was a team with an awful record, led by a scoring-skewed star, with a front office that ignored modern stats and overspent on free agents. It’s 11 years later, and the difference between this team and that one is 11 years.

  3. Did the Knicks have the 4th pick in 2004? And did they have 4 players under contract?

  4. No. But that team won double the amount of games.

    That’s how bad the 2015 Knicks were. That they’re not bringing anyone back shouldn’t be a great thing. Right now, they’re like an expansion team.

    Except with an expansion team you’re not sure how the ownership will turn out.

  5. Yeah but its better to suck than to try to rise from mediocre play right? Now we have to see how the offseason shakes out.

  6. It is probably better to suck and do a total rebuild if you have all your first round picks for a few years. Sadly, the Knicks do not have theirs for next year, thus need to do a quicker rebuild. With a smart pick at #4 and 2 good two-way free agents, maybe that can happen.

    As for Kaminsky with the 4th pick, again not gonna happen. Please. No. However, the Trey Lyles rumors show that maybe there should be a “What if…” done for him. At least Isola’s article does say that a trade down to get him is “more plausible.”

    As a fan, I’m hoping that Mudiay really knocks out his workouts and improves his draft stock. That could benefit the Knicks greatly. Perhaps LA or Philly falls in love with him so that Okafor or Russell falls. Or, perhaps a team really badly wants to move up to get him.

    BTW, does anyone think that Tim Hardaway Jr. has ANY trade value at all? Could a late first be gotten for him from a certain team, or not?

  7. Right now, they’re like an expansion team.

    Except with an expansion team you’re not sure how the ownership will turn out

    And an expansion team gets to poach other team’s mediocre players without overpaying them by tens of millions of dollars!

  8. Is there any plausibility that Frank Kaminsky could be a top 5 player in this draft?

    Answer YES

    The above article is exactly why I think the Knicks should trade down and get Kaminsky and “maximize” a FULL return on the 4th pick draft asset. Can I add 2-3 number 1 picks to Frank the tank? I’m not sure about anyone else–but is there anyone out there who knows of a player at a legit 7-1 235 who juts led his team to two final fours while outplaying everyone on the court ion the process?

    Does anyone know of the 7-1 player who passes like Frank–who has the feel of the game like Frank? Who has the basketball agility to start from the 3 point line and use the dribble with multi spin moves to get to the basket? Has anyone seen a player with such a pure stroke as Frank from 3 over 7 feet tall—Myers Leonard has developed one in the pro’s–maybe Dirk?

    Really there is nothing Frank does pooorly. EACH draft pick has their own “negatives”list this year. No perfect player that I can see from this group. Would it be better for the KNicks to trade down and add 2-3 picks and grab Kaminksy? Id say if there is a multi team trade that allocated such–Id say YES.

  9. I don’t hate the idea of the Knicks drafting Kaminsky as long as they trade down to do it, get another pick, and have someone else in mind that will be available.

  10. I started this blog in 2004. Just after Isiah joined the team and traded for Marbury. It was a team with an awful record, led by a scoring-skewed star, with a front office that ignored modern stats and overspent on free agents. It’s 11 years later, and the difference between this team and that one is 11 years.

    We haven’t overspent on free agents yet, Melo aside; we don’t know for sure what stats the front office pays attention to, because it’s a new office that has made moves that actually support the idea – despite Phil’s, er, ill-phrased tweets – that they have some idea of the value of the players. At the time, trading a discontented Tyson for a player whose advanced metrics showed him as being not-as-good but similar while dumping a terrible PG for another with slightly better metrics was a good idea. It didn’t work out, but it was reasonable – and the stats supported it (at least in the context of Tyson’s attitude and loafing when things went wrong the previous season).

    I mean, you’re probably right, but we should wait and see, because this is the most consequential moment of Phil’s tenure: if he nails it, we end up with a serviceable and potentially good player in the draft, a draft pick next year, and two appropriately paid contributing free agents. To me, the key is the draft: if Towns, Okafor, and Russell aren’t available, the level of quality of the next 10 guys is close enough that trading down and taking best available while getting a draft pick in return would be the best indication of a sea-change in management.

    Of course, rather than trade down and pick up a good draft pick for next year, we’ll probably trade the pick for an overpaid veteran. But … can’t we at least IMAGINE that things could go right? I ain’t bettin on it, but … is it unreasonable to suggest a positive scenario could happen?

  11. We’re talking about Okafor or Russell falling to 4, landing a first round pick for Tim Hardaway, and trading our pick for Kaminsky and three additional firsts and we wonder why the Knicks haven’t gotten any better in eleven years. At some point you have to realize that you get the team you deserve.

  12. I like the idea of trading down for Kaminsky. The problem is, at this point, it’s hard to tell where he’s going to land. Draft boards have Utah taking him (presumably because he’s a white dude) at #12. But Indiana picks #11, and Kaminsky, a mid-westerner born and bred a matter of miles from Indiana, fits what they like too.

    So the question becomes: does UTA or IND value Kamisky enough to not want to lose other assets for the chance to have a top 4 pick?

    Probably not Utah, who already has the 2014 version of Mudiay in 19 year old Dante Exum (and drafted a PG the lottery the year before that, too).

    Indiana, on the other hand, it’s hard to tell what they have planned. They’re not exactly rebuilding, but their roster is in flux. Last year they won 60 games, and this year over-achieved with an injury filled roster. It seems Bird is interested in going small (George at the 4?). Would they have interest in Mudiay? They’ll likely lose Hibbert, leaving the void for a an anti-Hibbert bigman (ie, Kamisky) and not at PG, where they have a plethora of young and reasonably priced players.

    As discussed in earlier threads, the Celtics are an intriguing trade partner because they can offer #16, #28, #33, and/or the Nets 2016 (or pretty much anybody elses’). But Kamisky likely won’t last to #16 (but Trey Lyles will!*) (*conversation for another thread)

    If the Knicks want to trade down for Kamisky, it will probably have to be with a team between 8-10 (Miami, Charlotte, or Detroit). Charlotte is already committed to Kemba Walker at PG. Miami has no picks and little youth to trade (maybe Ennis + #10 for the #4?).

    Then you have Detroit, who’s PG situation is a little confused with Jennings and Jackson. Plus, the Knicks are looking to acquire Monroe from them, further complicating a deal. If anything, I think NY ends up with an S&Td Greg Monroe for the #4 and no #8 pick in return.

    So, yes to trading down for Kamisky, but how??

  13. Can anybody name a single player in the NBA that they think Frank Kaminsky can guard? No? I feel like that might be a red flag, but that’s just me.

  14. Can anybody name a single player in the NBA that they think Frank Kaminsky can guard? No? I feel like that might be a red flag, but that’s just me.

    Andrea Bargnani?

  15. Trading down is smart IF it is possible and the compensation is at a premium.

    Like I said somewhere else

    GS rebuilt there team in 3 years with a 2 7 picks 1 11 and essentially two early 2nd rounders.

    I don’t see a player at 4 who will have the same cumulative value if we can pull it off and execute. I actually like Mudiay but hes meant for up tempo basketball–he could be really good over time. In a slower methodical game where shooting is at a premium for guards–not as much. If Dantoni was here Id be happy to go with Mudiay. Mudiay will struggle with the offense at first in terms of his jump-shooting and will have a few bad TO’s games and by game# 50 or so will be part of package that will include our 2018 pick with no restriction going to Atlanta for Al Horford anyway. By trading down for Kamnisky and other 1’s Im actually saving the Knicks from a worst doom than drafting Frank Kaminsky.

    Is Frank Kaminsky the new John Malcovich?

  16. Andrea Bargnani?

    False. Bargnani guards himself.

    In all seriousness though, Kaminsky is a good pick for a good team in need of a solid 3rd big. Of all the players in the draft he’s the most ready to contribute for a good team next year. The Knicks are the opposite of that good team. We should be in the mindset of taking chances, not making the safest pick in the draft.

  17. Draft boards have Utah taking him (presumably because he’s a white dude)

    lmao just like Hayward, and Stockton, Hornacek, Ostertag before him

  18. I’m gonna be pissed if Jax drafts some non-defense playing “good in the triangle” stretch four who is the next incarnation of Bargs or Jah Smith. Sure, Kaminsky might turn out to be better than those guys but he is not going to be a good defensive player in the NBA and I am sick of watching guys like that. I would way rather have WCS, Stanley Johnson, Winslow or somebody who will play some decent MFing defense.

  19. I ain’t bettin on it, but … is it unreasonable to suggest a positive scenario could happen?

    Then fun part of these whatifs is that they really allow you to use your imagination. The downside is it’s hard to imagine things that are impossible. And hence why mine are coming out negative.

    I guess what I’m really trying to say that in my mind Scott Walker has a better chance to win the presidential election than the Knicks have in succeeding.

  20. Can anybody name a single player in the NBA that they think Frank Kaminsky can guard? No? I feel like that might be a red flag, but that’s just me.

    I haven’t seen enough of him to know. But he can block shots (he and WCS had the exact same blocks/40 their junior years). And he was tied with Townes for 10th in Div I play for defensive win-shares. He had the highest D-rating as the top minute player on a major conference team that went 36-4. And his defensive rebound% led the Big 10 and was 3rd in the country among players in the major conferences.

    So, eye-test aside, his large sample of stats indicate an ability to be more than a net 0 on defense. (Where exactly is the red flag you mention?)

  21. @ Z, I think you answered your own question:

    Where exactly is the red flag you mention?

    ….because he’s a white dude

    lol

  22. I haven’t seen enough of him to know. But he can block shots (he and WCS had the exact same blocks/40 their junior years). And he was tied with Townes for 10th in Div I play for defensive win-shares. He had the highest D-rating as the top minute player on a major conference team that went 36-4. And his defensive rebound% led the Big 10 and was 3rd in the country among players in the major conferences.

    So, eye-test aside, his large sample of stats indicate an ability to be more than a net 0 on defense. (Where exactly is the red flag you mention?)

    Obviously my comment was tongue in cheek, but I do have serious concerns about his D. He was a pretty effective defender in college, but honestly it’s almost impossible not to be if you’re over 7-feet tall. That’s the reality of the college game. The reason I’m concerned about his D at the pro level is that I think he’s a tweener. I don’t think he’s strong enough to guard most Cs, and I don’t think he’s quick enough to guard most PFs. I think he’ll do fine on the glass because he has the height, and he probably will get an okay number of blocks, particularly if he guards PFs. But I also think he’s going to give up a lot of easy buckets.

    As a third big that’s not a big deal, because most bench guys can’t do too much in the post and he will be able to score against them at the other end. But I do think it will hold him back from being a quality starter in the NBA.

  23. BTW I’d like to point out that I’ve been optimistic on the players the Knicks select. Both Kaminsky & Mudiay become fine pros. It’s the team that I’m doubtful on. (And Carmelo Anthony’s long term health).

  24. I see Kominsky as a kind of compromise between the win-now folks (aka Knicks management) and the fans here. He is the most NBA ready player available, having played 4 years, and isn’t going to take 3 or 4 years to be productive like some of the 19 year olds. He also spaces the floor blah blah blah that the team is looking for. But on top of that, he had excellent stats in a large sample of college games, both advanced and traditional (wins!). And, importantly, to draft him the Knicks can trade down and pick up some additional picks to restock the barren cabinets. So both the win now and the win later crowds get a little something to be hopeful about.

  25. according to Jonathan Givony (Draftexpress) – WCS is shooting the ball very well from the midrange in today’s workout. If he can be semi-useful on offense he’d be an even better pick than he would already be.

    @DraftExpress: Willie Cauley-Stein stroking the mid-range today. Just hit 8 or 9 straight 18-footers. Form looks solid. He’s in very good shape physically.

    @DraftExpress: Willie Cauley-Stein can shoot the ball a bit. Making some 3s here in a workout setting at a fairly nice clip. Has nice, smooth mechanics.

  26. i think that’s one of the biggest misnomers of the draft… if the draftee is going to be any good… they usually contribute right away… whether they’re 1st rd/2nd rd or 19/23 yo… maybe they won’t play 30 minutes but they should be useful and usually good nba players….

    occasionally you have guys ‘redshirting’ or don’t contribute meaningful minutes but then make their impact a year or two down the line… this happens to pg’s a lot… but there isn’t anything to believe that kaminsky is going to be better than the players that are younger than him in year 1.. a lot of those guys were better than him at the college level when they were 3yrs his junior…

  27. “i think that’s one of the biggest misnomers of the draft… if the draftee is going to be any good… they usually contribute right away”

    Ha yeah. Look at the 03-09 drafts

    Lebron
    Melo
    Wade
    Bosh
    Paul
    Deron Williams
    Howard
    Durant
    Westbrook
    Harden
    Rose
    Horford.

    These guys plus many more were pretty decent from the jump;

  28. I wouldn’t be too upset if we traded down to snag a player like Kaminsky or some other prospect that caught Phil’s eye. However, I don’t know if anyone has made this comparison, does Kaminsky remind anyone of Nick Fazekas? That gives me some cause for concern. Stellar college stats, NBA journeyman.

  29. I like Kaminsky but I agree with the thought that you need more value from such a sucky season.
    WCS is a year younger right? Probably better value there.
    Mudiay could be great. If he develops a jumper, he could even play the off guard. I actually think he’ll contribute right away (mostly by not being TH2.)
    Winslow would be a nice addition, but only if they’re willing to play Melo at PF.
    Now if we could move down trading the #4 for #8 to get Kaminsky AND the Bobcats first in 2016 (something like that) I would consider it.

  30. I wouldn’t be too upset if we traded down to snag a player like Kaminsky or some other prospect that caught Phil’s eye. However, I don’t know if anyone has made this comparison, does Kaminsky remind anyone of Nick Fazekas? That gives me some cause for concern. Stellar college stats, NBA journeyman.

    No they don’t seem very similar. Fazekas was a rebounder extraoirdinaire in college. 14reb/40. Kaminsky didn’t crack 10.

    Additionally Fazekas didn’t get a real shot at the NBA. 269 minutes in 2008. That’s it.

  31. Please no Kaminsky. Guaranteed defensive liability. Might not be a very good NBA rebounder. Has a very good chance at only being an average efficiency scorer unless he turns into an elite 3 point shooter. Definitely no better than an average passer. Kaminsky and protected 1 for Winslow would be tragic.

  32. The reason I’m concerned about his D at the pro level is that I think he’s a tweener. I don’t think he’s strong enough to guard most Cs, and I don’t think he’s quick enough to guard most PFs.

    This is exactly how I feel. Kaminsky is certainly a polished offensive player and does lots of things well on that side of the ball, but on the defensive side the best you can hope for is that he won’t be a liability. It’s hard to imagine him being a GOOD defender in the NBA.

    I’m an old-school Knicks fan; I grew up with the 90’s Knicks. Ever since Van Gundy left they’ve been a bullshit defensive team year after year after year. I just can’t deal anymore.

  33. Overall I love Kaminsky but definitely see a little Kelly Olynyk in him. Olynyk’s college #s were totally ridiculous (but he played in a far inferior conference). White, 7 feet tall but short arms, very skilled.

    I’m starting to feel more and more like WCS is the pick for us if Russell is not there.

  34. Damn some of the clips from the Towns workout were ridiculous for a guy his size……..

  35. Damn some of the clips from the Towns workout were ridiculous for a guy his size……..

    Don’t torture yourself, it’s like watching vids of Kate Upton and thinking you might just be able to date her.

  36. @28 Almost all those guys are top 1-3 picks. Try checking 4-15 which is the range we are talking about here. Of the dozens and dozens of 19 year olds drafted in that range since 2003 only 5 proceeded to play meaningful minutes (+500) at average productivity (WS/48 > .100): Drummond, Biedrins, Bynum, Young, and Bosh.

    By their 2nd year only 2 others developed to produce at an average rate: Deng and Giannis.

    And by year 3, only Bismak and Kris Humphries separated themselves into solid contributors.

    So the list of 19 year olds that come in and make an immediate impact is, in fact, quite small.

  37. Yeah I mean trading down to get WCS or Winslow and a pick/player would seem better than Kaminsky.
    But out of curiosity, how many 2nd best players on college teams end up actually being very good players?
    I know it’s a vague question, but kinda stings to take a teams 2nd best player after an historic tank.

  38. @37 i think the bar you’re setting is a bit high… for instance deng put up a ws48 of .086 his rookie season and a per of 14.2.. it’s not great but that player should be in a nba rotation somewhere…

    i like using favors as an example.. he was fairly productive at georgia tech coming out as a freshman… and was thought to be very raw but even he put up a ws48 of .091…

    the guys who look terrible .. someone like marvin williams for example… ws48 of .069 his rookie yr per of 12.2 .. are more than likely just terrible players who may or may not contribute down the line…

    so if you draft someone who’s 19.. and you have the idea that they are going to be pretty good then you should count on them being a meaningful part of your rotation right from the get go… if you think they’re not going to contribute right away your opinion of them is probably not too high to begin with…

    it’s exceedingly rare that someone comes into the league a terrible raw player and then becomes an all star.. that has never happened… it’s ok to be raw .. ibaka was raw but he demonstrated he could contribute on the boards and block shots… then he filled in the other skills…

  39. But out of curiosity, how many 2nd best players on college teams end up actually being very good players?

    Jerry Lucas/John Havlicek

    K C Jones

    Walt Hazzard/ Gail Goodrich

    Curtis Rowe

    Sidney Wicks

    James Worthy

    Sam Perkins

    Clyde Drexler

    Demarcus Cousins

    and many more off the top of my head

  40. @38 – recent examples… horford or noah depending on who you favored on those gators team… conley… but that’s cheating a little… or oladipo and zeller…

  41. Kevin Durant had an .040 WS48 his rookie year.
    John Wall had an .041 WS48 his rookie year.
    Russell Westbrook had an .035 WS48 his rookie year.
    DeMarcus Cousins had an .022 WS48 his rookie year.
    Rajon Rondo had an .064 WS48 his rookie year.
    Steve Nash had an .047 WS48 his rookie year.
    Dirk Nowitzki had an .040 WS48 his rookie year.

    You want me to keep going?

  42. I was thinking Horford (in the modern era) too.
    I think Cousins as a #2 is debatable and I think Oladipo was clearly the better prospect.

  43. @43 – ws is going to dock a player for inefficiency.. which isn’t uncommon for rookies…. especially the guys pegged for superstardom… PER will show them in a much better light because it credits them for high usage… Durant, Wall, Westbrook and Cousins all had usg rates above 25.. and i’m not sure if you’re going to find any team who wouldn’t have taken them in their rotation even if it was for that rookie year…

    with nash and rondo… i did state that pg’s develop on a different curve.. it’s actually fairly common for them to suck early on… nash wasn’t someone you would say was raw coming out either but if you want to use that example i don’t think he helps your case…

    Nowitzki sort of redshirted his rookie year since he played under 1000 minutes but probably the best example you have… you can throw jermaine o’neal in there also.. i would argue that they may have outperformed their numbers if given more time… however given the results… that’s still really only maybe a handful out of the countless other examples that we have to the contrary…

  44. Here’s a good article from Grantland re: Zinger

    http://grantland.com/the-triangle/who-is-kristaps-porzingis/

    “Chandler, Pau Gasol, and Joakim Noah, who all entered the league at around Porzingis’s height and weight, are completely unrecognizable from their teen selves; more recently, Donatas Motiejunas and John Henson have gained significant functional strength since entering the league. Porzingis doesn’t turn 20 until August. Unless he’s the next Alexey Shved, who curiously made a deal with the devil to preserve his 17-year-old body for eternity, the surest thing you can say about Porzingis’s future is that he will grow into his frame.

    Still, his lack of strength is a legitimate concern. It’s hard to imagine Porzingis becoming a good rebounder in the league, especially in his first season, which will likely see him be tossed around like a rag doll against players who understand the finer points of boxing out. Porzingis averaged 4.6 rebounds this season for Sevilla, but his total rebounding percentage sat at 13.7, which is in the Paul Millsap and Draymond Green range.2 If we were to hypothetically drop his 4.8-rebound average onto a league-average rebounding team in the NBA,3 his total rebounding percentage would drop to 11.1 percent, which is in the range of Motiejunas and Dirk Nowitzki this season”

  45. Ha! Funny write up Mike lol. I actually wouldn’t mind drafting him..just not at 4. He kinda reminds me of Christian Laettner in his first few years in the league. He’s the safest pick…he has less downside than upside- which is good. So if Phil traded down with boston for their 2 1st rounders and Kam were one of them, I can deal with that. Better yet… if Phil trades down with Denver and drafts Winslow or WCS and also gets Denver’s 1st rounder next year..i’d be fine with that too. If the draft goes sideways and we land Russell..I’d be ok with that..I think Mudiay is gonna be a better player though. In any case..Melo needs to be moved to the 4 full time with a strong defender at the 5 and 3 flanking him *cough* Jordan & Carroll *cough* Excuse me..*clears throat* and he should also trade TH2 for what he can get and go with a backcourt rotation of Calderon-Whichever guard is drafted if we draft one (most likely Mudiay)-Galloway-Shved-Ledo. I like the potential in that group, and if there’s anyone who can teach discipline, it’s Phil. Coaching or not. We need some young legs willing to run while Calderon steadies the halfcourt offense and balances it out with his shooting. Phil can rebuild if he doesn’t do anything stupid like..sign whichever “big name” FA this offseason, or trade the 4 for any players not named Demarcus Cousins or a combination of Gibson-Butler-pick.

  46. At #4, we should really be trading down and getting something for it. Whether it’s Kaminsky, Winslow, WCS, Turner, the Zinger…there are going to be good players from 4-10, any of whom could end up being MORE “impactful” than the top 3. Yes, I would absolutely prefer to be Top 3 and be able to get Russell, Okafor, or Towns, but that isn’t how it happened. So, dealing with reality, I feel like we need to be thinking about how to prepare the team for two or three years from now, since we likely can’t add enough to be more than mediocre next year, and Melo will break down again. The best way is to add a draft pick next year, and the only way to do that is to trade down.

    Actually, the real best case is to trade Melo for the #2, but even I am not THAT optimistic.

    Imagine having a #2, a #4, and all that cap space, though… sigh.

  47. For the record, though, I want WCS. Maybe I’m too much a product of the 90s Knicks, but I can’t handle any more no-defense-playing floor spacers.

    #RetakeThePaint

  48. Porzingis has the exact same weight as Camby, former DPOY, all defensive 1st team and one of the best rebounders of the last decade.

    I understand that he’s not a good rebounder or maybe not even a plus defender. Probably he never will be anything close to Camby on defense, but I think we overreact too much about this sort of thing.

    If he’s a good prospect or his stats show that he is a good player, just draft him.

  49. Did anyone else see the video in the article about Porzingas that Z-Man quoted? The most shocking thing is how well he speaks English. He sounds like someone who moved to the US when he was like 8 years old — an accent, but not much of one at all. You can cross “communications issues” off the list of potential problems with him.

  50. Zinger looked pretty good in those clips. He’s quick for a guy that size. And at the pf he’ll have a lot of height and length on guys. He might get pushed around, but in some cases his reach will make up for that. I mean honestly pulling Melo inside to work smaller guys in the post and bringing zinger outside to shoot threes over shorter guys sounds like something with promise.

  51. I could show you clips from Bargnani’s Knicks career that would make him look like a great basketball player.

  52. I am not a basketball expert but sometimes I am getting disappointed about how we knicks fans to move forward.
    -Being cellar dwellers with no upside team, here we are talking about drafting the safest pick.
    -We should take risk with Mudiay or Russel. The league have been dominated by PGs for the past few years
    id rather take chances with those two pgs. All other team have a competitive PG. Knicks? We have
    Larkin, Calderon, Felton, Old Kidd, Old Prigioni, Lin to match up against the CP3, Curry, Rose, and Westbrook of the world.

  53. When is the last time the Knicks drafted a good player and actually hung on to him long enough to get some decent production out of him? Patrick Ewing? The only other player the Knicks drafted since Ewing that actually gave them several seasons of good production was David Lee. The next best pick since Ewing was probably Greg Anthony. Think about that when you’re hoping and dreaming about this #4 pick we have coming up. The odds are overwhelmingly likely that it’s going to be a bust, or that we will trade it for a sack of magic beans. So yeah, Kaminsky, Porzingis, Mudiay, whatever. Good luck with that.

    Good God do we suck.

  54. @55 what makes the odds so overwhelmingly likely that this pick will be a BUST? Is it just the fact that its the Knicks picking it?

  55. “@55 what makes the odds so overwhelmingly likely that this pick will be a BUST?”
    How long have you been following our Knicks?

  56. The former Russian republics like Latvia Estonia and Belarus have extremely high levels of English proficiency nowadays–it’s like neighboring Scandinavia in the respect.

  57. I think odds are heavy against Mudiay ever significantly improving his jump shot off motion. For every rare Wall, there are many Feltons and Teagues. Plus we really don’t know how he’ll be as a defender. Russell’s got many issues: defense, ability to drive right, ability to attack rim, lack of athleticism. Our best options imo: (1) Porzingis (2) Kaminsky in trade down (3) WCS (if his ability to knock down midrange shots is real).

    Kaminsky is an elite shooter, elite post player (#1 in efficiency, way higher than Okafor though half the volume), and elite playmaker. He’s got a dime/turnover ratio in the category of M Gasol, Noah, and Diaw. Hollinger’s got a stat for that and the only player 6’10” + who’s ever rated higher in college than Kam was Chandler Parsons. I think his floor is Cody Zeller/Olynyk and his ceiling is Dirk; he’ll probably end up somewhere in-between which I’d take. BTW Zeller and Olynyk both posted respectable .120 WS/48 after their second seasons (their 3rd years will tell us how good they’ll be). And the bonus here is a trade down. I think some team at 7-9 is gonna want to make a play for Porzingis or another player where taking Calderon might not be so bad given their timetable so a future pick plus Calderon appears quite possible.

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