Knicks Morning News (2016.07.23)

  • [NYDN] Melo set to host town hall meeting in LA on police violence
    (Friday, July 22, 2016 8:33:03 PM)

    For two weeks, Carmelo Anthony has spoken of some sort of action to help solve the issue of police violence.

  • [NYDN] Just how delusional is Derrick Rose about the 2016-17 Knicks?
    (Friday, July 22, 2016 8:30:49 PM)

    Tis the season for being overly optimistic and Derrick Rose may have outdone himself.

  • [ESPN] Derrick Rose: Knicks roster fits triangle ‘to a T’
    (Friday, July 22, 2016 11:55:16 AM)

    Derrick Rose: Knicks roster fits triangle ‘to a T’

  • [ESPN] Rose: Knicks being compared to ‘super’ Warriors
    (Friday, July 22, 2016 10:37:38 AM)

    Rose: Knicks being compared to ‘super’ Warriors

  • [NYTimes] On Pro Basketball: For Michael Jordan, a Chance to Speak Up (for Once)
    (Friday, July 22, 2016 10:17:48 PM)

    As a franchise owner, Jordan has broken barriers. But in the wake of North Carolina’s “bathroom law,” perhaps it’s time for him to break free of his corporate cautiousness.

  • [NYTimes] Corner Office: Lisa Borders of the W.N.B.A.: It’s Impossible to Refute Results
    (Friday, July 22, 2016 11:00:12 AM)

    Ms. Borders, president of the W.N.B.A., says she focuses on tangible outcomes because doing so allows her to rise above others’ good or bad opinions.

  • [NYTimes] Argentina’s Luis Scola Adds Olympic Flag-Bearer to his Résumé
    (Friday, July 22, 2016 11:32:10 PM)

    Scola, who won a men’s basketball gold medal with Argentina in 2004, will carry the country’s flag during the opening ceremony.

  • [NYTimes] WNBA President Talks About Fining Players Over Warmup Shirts
    (Saturday, July 23, 2016 6:09:30 AM)

    WNBA President Lisa Borders applauds the league’s players for taking an active stance on social issues, she just wishes they would keep it off the court.

  • [NYTimes] Hornets Co-owner Hits Out at All Star Game Move
    (Saturday, July 23, 2016 4:18:31 AM)

    Hornets co-owner Felix Sabates has blasted the NBA’s decision to move the 2017 All Star Game out of Charlotte, North Carolina due to its objections to a state law decried as discriminatory against the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender community.

  • [NYTimes] Warriors’ Draymond Green Settles Assault Case Before Rio
    (Friday, July 22, 2016 6:16:20 PM)

    Lawyers say Golden State Warriors star Draymond Green will pay $560 for a noise violation in a deal that gets rid of a misdemeanor assault-and-battery charge in East Lansing, Michigan.

  • [SNY Knicks] Randle reportedly narrows list of potential teams to Knicks, two others
    (Friday, July 22, 2016 8:06:52 PM)

    Free agent guard Chasson Randle has narrowed his search to a list of three teams, which includes the Knicks, his agent told the New York Post.

  • [SNY Knicks] Rose hopes rebuilt Knicks can prove themselves
    (Friday, July 22, 2016 8:27:20 AM)

    Newly-acquired guard Derrick Rose hopes he, Joakim Noah, Carmelo Anthony and the rest of the New York Knicks can make some noise in the Eastern Conference this season.

  • [NY Newsday] Knicks now in ‘super team’ category with Warriors, says Derrick Rose
    (Friday, July 22, 2016 2:39:00 PM)

    Derrick Rose said the Knicks are now in the same “super team” category as the Warriors, according to NBA.com.

  • [NYPost] Chasson Randle could be natural fit as Knicks’ third point guard
    (Friday, July 22, 2016 12:01:01 PM)

    LAS VEGAS — Summer-league sensation point guard Chasson Randle has narrowed down his choice to three teams, including the Knicks, according to his agent. Randle fit in so smoothly running the point at the Orlando summer league because he ran a lot of triangle at his alma mater, Stanford. After going undrafted in 2015, Randle…

  • [NYPost] Derrick Rose goes too far, compares Knicks to Warriors
    (Friday, July 22, 2016 8:30:48 AM)

    Derrick Rose’s visions of Knicks grandeur grow by the day. On Wednesday, Rose told Slam Magazine he thought the Knicks “have a chance to win every game, and in the league, that is rare.” Very rare. In fact, the only team you could say that about with a straight face would be the Warriors, who won an NBA-record 73…

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    38 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2016.07.23)”

    1. As much as I love the delusional confidence for Rose, I hate that he made a comment like that not knowing how the national media was going to run with it. As a Knick, you just can’t make comments like that because ESPN and everyone else in America hates New York. I’m not sure this will ever go away. We just have to hope KP turns into Dirk 2.0 next season or we’ll hear about it all season. I can see Mike Wilbon’s smug face now. I hate that guy.

    2. I don’t mind it so much. Melo has largely been the same way, and no one has taken his comments all that seriously, at least until very recently.

      I mean, why not puff his chest out a bit? After 5 horribly disappointing years, Rose is in a new situation, in a contract year, and has some good players to play with on a team that is hungry to make noise in the playoffs. I’m actually happy that he’s not hedging his bets. It’s a sign that he’s feeling healthy enough to be cocky.

    3. Good point. I honestly want nothing more than for Derrick Rose to have a career year, for KP to ascend to All-NBA level basketball, and for Noah and Melo to play like it’s 2014. I just don’t like going on ESPN and seeing guys laugh at us. That pisses me off because they love to laugh at us. I hope the team sees all of the laughter and it somehow makes them decide to shoot more threes, get fouled more, and make more lay ups. That’ll show ’em.

    4. Watching Olympic Melo is so frustrating to me as a Knicks fan. Dude should be a small ball 4 all day long. Melo as the pop man on a PNP would be basically unguardable if the PG is any good. On the catch he’d either have the ball against a big trying to recover or a small on a switch.

    5. After going back and forth in my mind about who I would like to see grab that 15th spot, I’ve settled on Randle over Baker. But I would still like to see Baker stick with the franchise. In fact, it’s entirely possible that a Randle signing could make Sasha expendable due to his ability to play both guard spots in the triangle and his experience in a triangle-type offense. That would enable Phil to keep Baker with the big league squad so he can practice and develop.

    6. I wouldn’t get rid of Sasha just yet. He actually played very well after the AS break, TS% of .603, accepts his role whatever it is, nice locker room guy for a team w/ several Euro players, playoff success, etc. If anything, if Baker is worth keeping on the roster, I’d ditch Plumlee, he seems like more of a dime-a-dozen guy.

    7. Olympics Melo is a guy that gets to spot up a lot more because he doesn’t have to create everything for his team. Would be nice if we put a team around him where he got to do more of that.

    8. Olympics Melo is a guy that gets to spot up a lot more because he doesn’t have to create everything for his team. Would be nice if we put a team around him where he got to do more of that.

      Yes, let’s sign the best players in the world so Melo can spot up more.

      I’m all for this!

    9. Catch and shoot Melo when he’s not the primary threat!

      Somehow he’s one of the highest scoring and most efficient international players of all-time.

    10. It’s really not as simple as “regular Melo playing against inferior competition,” but okay. It could have something to do with putting pride aside and accepting a role as a spot up shooter with a better shot chart, but that doesn’t fit everyone’s narrative around here.

      And Z-man, I think we will end up seeing more sets with Melo as a four man because of the lack of depth in the front court this year after Porzingis, Noah, and KO. I wouldn’t be surprised if Rose, Lee/Holiday, Thomas, Melo, and Porzingis spent 10-15 minutes on court at a time.

    11. If anything, if Baker is worth keeping on the roster, I’d ditch Plumlee, he seems like more of a dime-a-dozen guy.

      I dunno. Personally, I’d be more inclined to keep Plumlee the third one given the relative unknowns of Billy vs NBA competition and Noah’s health. Plumlee is fairly mobile and he does the less glamorous things a la RoLo. Pretty good for a backup C. But I really like Baker though. I wouldn’t put too much stock in Sasha being that vet that played overseas and possibly being a good mentor to the newbies. I believe both Kuz and Billy played with KP so they have a previous relationship with someone on the roster who happens to be a star player for the team. Eh..I don’t know..good fit either way I suppose.

    12. We have KOQ, Willy and KP who all will see minutes at the 5. Plumlee seems like an unnecessary guy to have on the team.

      We don’t need Melo to play the 4 when we have KP. You get the same benefits of a spread floor while getting a plus rebounder at the 3 with Melo there and better rim protection with KP next to a center.

      The entire idea that KP has to be a 5 is just fucking stupid. He should swing between both the 4 and 5 and eventually get a majority of his minutes at the 5 when his game and body have developed to be able to handle those responsibilities on both ends.

    13. We have KOQ, Willy and KP who all will see minutes at the 5. Plumlee seems like an unnecessary guy to have on the team.

      Who knows? Maybe OQ will rebound and play well while getting consistent minutes this season. Even if Noah is completely worry free with his health, after playing under Thibs all those years it’s probably better for him to play around 28 minutes a game at this point. His backups are gonna have to give us good minutes this season. I don’t think he’s gonna get hurt, but you hafta wonder how much he has left with his style of play after getting major burn with Thibs.

    14. I’m torn about O’Quinn. I think he ought to be better this coming season because he will have a better coach, he’ll have competition from Hernangomez and Kuz, and he won’t be taking courses for his college degree. (He promised his parents he would graduate and finally did so this year, which is very nice). On the other hand he sometimes seemed like such a head case on the court, taking shots right away when they were clearly not called for.

    15. Yea..I really like OQ too. I hope he rebounds from his dismal season. His game reminds me so much of Oakley but with better rim protection. And, quite frankly, we need a “goon”. Today’s players are too friendly. It would be nice to have an irritable, surly tough guy who can actually play on the team again.

    16. KOQ’s problems all stem from poor decision making. He has good skills as a mid-range shooter and passer from the high post, but he often takes way too long deciding what to do once he has the ball. Also his PNR defense was absolutely terrible last year, neither preventing the ball handler from attacking the rim or preventing the pass to the roll man.

      A good coach should be able to get more consistent performance from him. Hopefully Hornacek is a good coach.

    17. KOQ is a weird hybrid of goon, Euro player, and class clown. Maybe now that he’s in the Best Shape Of His Life, Hornacek unlocks his varied skills.

    18. I think O’Quinn’s problems stem from a lack of overall body coordination. He runs in a very herky-jerky manner and has a very hard time gathering himself when he has the ball near the basket. It’s hard to describe, but I see it quite often when he has the ball down low. Ironically, he’s a pretty quick jumper w/o the ball. I just don’t see him getting all that much better.

      Not to suggest that KP will be an immortal (ok, maybe am suggesting it…f it, I’m saying it definitively) but he should model himself as a combo of Tim Duncan and Dirk Nowitzki, in other words, a combo big that transcends the traditional PF/C dichotomy. If you look at 82games.com, Duncan played around half of his minutes as a 5 in certain years, so I think calling him the greatest PF ever is somewhat misleading. He actually created a position for himself, much as LeBron has. I think that Porzingis will evolve into that mode…he is a unicorn, after all!

    19. “Today’s Epiphany”

      A few years ago if you weren’t good in the paint you didn’t stand a chance to go deep into the playoffs.
      The Warriors changed that by hitting 3s at a very high% from all over the universe.
      I don’t know why but i ‘ve got a feeling that PJ may try to find something new to get us closer to our goal.
      ‘D & Run’ would be a nice way for this roster to be succesful imho.
      We have the ‘runners”, we have young legs, we have the D specialists.
      Why not ?
      I’d love to see us becoming one of the best teams on fast break points this season just like we became no1 in FT%.
      May Phil’s ‘doing it’ sneakily.

    20. I still think Plumlee gets cut in camp at some point. Are we allowed to give Randle a guaranteed deal and keep Baker on a partial guarantee til after camp? We’re allowed to have 20 players at this point I think.

    21. From the news stories pointed to above, we are competing with two other teams for Randle and he’s looking for the best fit for him. I would assume he also wants guaranteed money.

    22. Randle seems like more of a short 2 than a PG, so he’s not a great fit for the roster, but I can’t complain about a young, cheap player

    23. The Warriors changed that by hitting 3s at a very high% from all over the universe.

      I don’t know why but i ‘ve got a feeling that PJ may try to find something new to get us closer to our goal.

      On the other hand…

      How’s it goink?

    24. Randle looked just fine playing the point in Summer League. He can be our third PG. Baker more of a shooting guard.

    25. I don’t know why but i ‘ve got a feeling that PJ may try to find something new to get us closer to our goal.

      Yeah, I don’t know why you have that feeling either.

      The Cavs set a record for most 3PM in a playoff game. The Warriors set a Finals record for most 3PM in a single game. In 2013, the Spurs set the Finals record against the Heat.

      Steph Curry has 11 games in which he’s made nine or more 3PM in the regular season. He is the two-time MVP and more than deserving of each one.

      Truly… how’s it goink?

    26. Yeah it’s becoming abundantly clear that we need better three point shooters than we currently have. I want for Rose, Melo, and KP to show out this year but between injuries and statistical probability it just doesn’t seem likely.

      Damn this will not be a fun season. Harry Giles and Markelle Fultz, boys.

    27. The Knicks had 58 games in which they converted fewer than 9 3PM.

      The Warriors had 7.

      The Knicks are not playing modern NBA basketball.

    28. Were the Spurs playing modern NBA ball when they led the league in mid-range and post up attempts and managed to win 67 games?

      KP seems like a very “modern” NBA player whatever the fuck that means.

    29. Sad part is the Knicks were playing a very modern game in 2012-13 which lead them to 54 wins. They’ve seemingly done everything in their power to do the exact opposite of that philosophy ever since. Although this roster should take and make a decent amount more 3pters per game than last season’s team and Hornacek certainly seems to understand the importance of 3pters.

    30. i don’t think it’s so much that shooting 3pt’ers are better…. when you’re steph curry or klay thompson it’s certainly good to shoot more 3pt’ers but if you’re derrick rose you probably shouldn’t be jacking up as many as they do…

      the modern game isn’t about just shooting 3s although it certainly helps…. it’s maximizing the expected outcome on a possession… midrange shots are good if you hit them at a high enough clip…

    31. the modern game isn’t about just shooting 3s although it certainly helps…. it’s maximizing the expected outcome on a possession… midrange shots are good if you hit them at a high enough clip…

      Absolutely. The Spurs were #2 in 3P% but #26 in 3PA. Also #28 in FTA but #2 in FT%. Real weird for a team that’s #4 in ORtg.

    32. Absolutely. The Spurs were #2 in 3P% but #26 in 3PA. Also #28 in FTA but #2 in FT%. Real weird for a team that’s #4 in ORtg.

      So you decided to look up the number of SA, and knowingly omit that SA is #7 in 2PA and #3 in 2P%??

      Not that it should change our conception of the midrange, but you cherry pick stats to make your point, then act totally offended if someone is not thorough when making theirs.

    33. To improve my point, SA is also #21 in FGA attempts closer than 10 feet and #2 in percentage in those. So they are not shooting all those 2PA at the rim, but they are good wherever they shoot.

    34. I would speculate that the Spurs’ shooting efficiency, while requiring talent, is largely due to Pop’s influence/system, which is pretty simple, actually: move the ball until you get a good look from the perimeter or a good lane to the hoop. That’s why he’s one of the very few coaches that breaks the “coaches don’t matter in terms of individual efficiency numbers” paradigm.

      Recent examples: going out: Tiago Splitter, Cory Joseph; coming in: LaMarcus Aldridge, David West.

      But the other coach that has been cited by notable KBers to have this effect is Phil Jackson. Seems that he has not really been able to translate that as a GM thus far, although to be fair, the Knicks were playing very well last year at 22-22 until Melo got hurt!

      So other than the obvious health concerns, the question becomes: can the Hornacek/Jackson team do for the Knicks what the Pop/Buford team does for the Spurs?

      Certainly we can all agree that if Popovich swapped rosters, he’d figure out how to make these Knicks pretty good (again, assuming good health.)

    35. Believe it or not, the third coach that statistically improved his player’s performance is Isiah Thomas

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