Knicks Morning News (2015.10.12)

  • [New York Daily News] Melo ‘hated’ Vujacic before they became Knicks teammates (Mon, 12 Oct 2015 03:35:38 GMT)

    When the Knicks traded for Larry Johnson prior to the 1996-97 NBA season, Johnson’s mother asked him an obvious question.

  • [New York Times] Sports Briefing | Pro Basketball: Fever Force a Fifth Game (Mon, 12 Oct 2015 05:12:46 GMT)

    Shenise Johnson scored 15 points and Marissa Coleman added 14 to help the Indiana Fever beat the visiting Minnesota Lynx, 75-69, forcing a decisive Game 5 in the W.N.B.A. finals.

  • [New York Times] Bryant Has 21 Points, Lakers Rout Maccabi Haifa 126-83 (Mon, 12 Oct 2015 04:45:41 GMT)

    Kobe Bryant scored 21 points and Roy Hibbert had 16 rebounds, leading the Los Angeles Lakers to a 126-83 exhibition rout of Israel’s Maccabi Haifa on Sunday night.

  • [New York Times] Harden Bruises Knee in Houston’s 123-119 Loss to Orlando (Mon, 12 Oct 2015 04:06:33 GMT)

    Houston star James Harden scored 12 points before leaving in the second quarter with a bruised right knee and the Orlando Magic went on to a 123-119 exhibition victory over the Rockets on Sunday night.

  • [New York Times] Dave Meyers, U.C.L.A. Basketball Star, Dies at 62 (Mon, 12 Oct 2015 00:13:18 GMT)

    Meyers led the Bruins to their final championship under John Wooden and was later part of the trade that sent Kareem Abdul-Jabbar to the Los Angeles Lakers.

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    70 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2015.10.12)”

    1. That’s a bummer but it will hopefully be cool to see o’quinn get some time with the starters

    2. Yeah, better safe than sorry. With Seraphin still out, and with Philly sitting Noel and Okafor, this might be a good game to give Thanasis and some of the D-league candidates some burn. Establishing continuity is ideal, but you also need to figure out if you have anybody else worth keeping, let alone playing down the road.

    3. Yeah, no biggie. Strained quad. Hope the kid isn’t over working himself. They should just announce he’ll be starting the year coming off the bench and ease him along.

      And more time for comeback player of the year Derrick “FIRST TEAM ALL NBA” Williams can’t hurt

    4. Lance Thomas getting the start supposedly. It’s just a preseason lineup and all so normally I wouldn’t worry at all, but if Lance Thomas starts getting minutes ahead of O’Quinn at any point in a basketball game that counts I may start to want Woodson back.

    5. Lance Thomas getting the start supposedly. It’s just a preseason lineup and all so normally I wouldn’t worry at all, but if Lance Thomas starts getting minutes ahead of O’Quinn at any point in a basketball game that counts I may start to want Woodson back.

      I imagine it is similar to Vuj getting the start at the 2 while Afflalo is out. They want to keep continuity with the sub patterns, so they start placeholder back of the rotation guys in place of the key players so that the real rotation guys who aren’t starting can get used to their role and their sub patterns.

    6. I imagine it is similar to Vuj getting the start at the 2 while Afflalo is out. They want to keep continuity with the sub patterns, so they start placeholder back of the rotation guys in place of the key players so that the real rotation guys who aren’t starting can get used to their role and their sub patterns.

      Yeah I see the logic and I 100% would not be worried at all if I wasn’t already pretty worried about Fisher, you know what I mean? But I think Fisher is a pretty significant concern at this point, and that makes it easy to start picking at every little thing, right or wrong.

    7. Which means they’ve already pretty much decided on Porzingis starting, or else they’d be auditioning KOQ.

    8. Clyde rocking a suit I’d actually wear combined with a shirt and tie that I can’t even describe

    9. Melo and his headberbund seem to be making a real effort to contest the three point line. Calderon and Lopez doing some nice things on offense

    10. Yeah. Sorry about missing Zinger, Z-Man. Tweaked his calf.

      RoLo’s looking like Tim Duncan.

    11. Which means they’ve already pretty much decided on Porzingis starting, or else they’d be auditioning KOQ.

      Yes, I think that’s accurate.

    12. WTF?!?! We’re so fucking pissed!

      Ha! Yeah, the first thing I thought when I saw the news was, “Oh crap, poor Z-Man and Son!”

    13. For a guy who has spent 4 years in the NBA being fairly bad Derrick Williams can really do some things.

    14. Williams is like a bigger version of JR Smith. He is not as good but his athletcism and even his manerism remind me of JR

    15. Cole was like my son. I praised him. And when he was traded a part of me was traded But now you’re the one Derrick.

    16. If anyone tries to tell you that the real D-Will can’t hit 80, 90 percent of his shots from the floor all season long they’re fucking lying.

    17. A great finisher with a high FT rate who can handle in short space and run the floor can be molded into very efficient scorer.

      Problem has shot distribution and over-reliance on jumper.

    18. Why can’t he be better than JR Smith?

      Why who knows. Why couldn’t JR be good JR?

      It would be great if Williams put it together and capitalize on his talent.

    19. People in the lamestream media were saying the Knicks were going to have problems rebounding the ball. Who needs to rebound if Derrick Williams never misses? Answer me that, Isola

    20. Jerian and Dwill are really a catalyst on that second team. With oquinn and Galloway I don’t see why they can’t thrive

    21. Lopez and O’quinn do not like to come out the paint to defend.

      Hopefully Porzingis can help with that, because it’s been a problem for 2 years now.

    22. Lopez and O’Quinn are your centers so they’re going to stay inside. I see Porzingis and Williams as the big wing defenders.

    23. Hopefully Porzingis can help with that, because it’s been a problem for 2 years now.

      If he was playing the 5 then I think he would do a good job but at the 4 Porzingis seems to get confused. He is a rookie in all so some of that is to be expected and that is what pre-season is for, to straignten out the kinks.

    24. Lopez and O’Quinn are your centers so they’re going to stay inside. I see Porzingis and Williams as the big wing defenders.

      True but when they a play a team whose Center can shoot threes they can’t just stand 2-3ft behind the FT line when their man sets a screen. That creates to much space for the ball handler and leaves their man open at top.

      For the most part this will be a non-issue because they won’t play that many Centers who will stretch the floor.

    25. I have not seen one play from Lance Thomas that made me think he deserves to be anywhere near the NBA.

    26. Vucjacic is an eyesore, my god.

      On a more positive note Christian Wood looks like a good catch for Philly, wish we could’ve gotten him.

    27. I’d rather see Lou at the 4 over Lance. Honestly, just play Thanasis and see what he can do. Lance needs to be on the bench getting ready for his coaching career. He tries hard but he should not be on the floor.

    28. Again, though, I think it is just about getting the subs used to how they’re going to be used. Lance is not going to actually play.

    29. This is some ugly hoops.
      What is obvious is that Fisher wants the second unit to play together. Period. That’s why Sasha and Thomas are starting.

    30. Again, though, I think it is just about getting the subs used to how they’re going to be used.

      Are we really going to do the 5 in-5 out rotation though? Not sure if I’m a fan of that.

    31. Are we really going to do the 5 in-5 out rotation though? Not sure if I’m a fan of that.

      I thin it’s a good idea, in pre-season, to develop chemistry with the 1st and 2nd teams. I just wish we had all of our starters. I’m expecting some renewed chemistry between Afflalo and Melo.

    32. People that should be out of the rotation eventually: Sasha, Early, Thomas (immediately)

    33. There are so many options on this team I don’t know what I want Fisher to do. And it’s great!

      I’m not sure Grant should be moved from the second lineup to play with Melo and the gang. He excels in pushing the ball (where the second lineup is having success) and hasn’t shown the ability to consistently make outside shots. It seems like his talents would be wasted in the starting lineup playing a more grind-it-out style with Melo.

    34. I don’t hate Sasha, I like him as a 3rd string guard. I would rather have him than some deer-in-the-headlights kid that has no clue.

      @58 Will – Early, Sasha and Thomas are all 3rd string along with Thanasis and Amundson.

    35. While it’s just a pre-season game, I don’t want to see Galloway leading the team in attempted 3’s or rebounds.

    36. Are we really going to do the 5 in-5 out rotation though? Not sure if I’m a fan of that.

      I mean, it’s unlikely to be straight out that, especially with Zinger’s minutes restrictions, but I do think they will basically be having a sort of “bench mob” approach, yes.

    37. An interesting thing about this team is the relative even level of talent. We only have a few excellent players (Melo, RoLo), and the rest have serious flaws…but there isn’t really anyone who doesn’t belong in the league, like last year. No, Thomas and Early shouldn’t generally be playing, but other than that, the talent level is decent.

      But, that puts a lot of pressure on the coach to find ways to maximize the talent available while minimizing each player’s flaws. And that worries me. Fish hasn’t shown a glimmer of ability to do that with his units – it’s much more “first team will play half court, second team will run” labels rather than a more nuanced approach.

    38. Has Fisher shown anything yet? No, not really, I do agree with that. But he’s also a second-year head coach who is so closely removed from being a player that he still has tons of former teammates who still play in the league. Not a ton of coaches have former teammates still in the league, ya know? So it is still very early in his career. It was not until Year 2, I think, that Jason Kidd really solidified himself as a coach (and he’s the other guy who is new enough at this to still have plenty of former teammates out there). So Fisher has time.

      I wonder how many other coaches out there have any former teammates still in the NBA?

      Steve Kerr (a few Spurs)
      Fred Hoiberg (KG, from their T-Wolves days)
      Byron Scott (Kobe, from Scott’s last stint with the Lakers)

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