Knicks Morning News (2015.06.14)

  • [New York Times] Sports Briefing | Basketball: Glory Johnson Case Involving Brittney Griner Is Dismissed (Sun, 14 Jun 2015 03:57:15 GMT)

    Charges have been dismissed against the W.N.B.A. All-Star Glory Johnson in a domestic violence case in Arizona involving her then-fiancée, Brittney Griner.

  • [New York Times] Cavaliers Mull Over Possible Game Five Tweaks (Sun, 14 Jun 2015 02:09:28 GMT)

    Just as Golden State Warriors head coach Steve Kerr did not want to reveal details of an altered game plan for Game Four, his Cleveland Cavaliers counterpart did not want to tip his hand for Game Five.

  • [New York Times] N.B.A. Finals: David Lee, a Former All-Star, Has Become a Stellar Substitute for the Warriors (Sun, 14 Jun 2015 00:25:49 GMT)

    Lee lost his starting job after straining his hamstring during the preseason, but he has come off the bench the last two games of the series to help confound the Cleveland Cavaliers.

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    1. If Joe Embiid has really had a setback, doesn’t that mean that the 76ers are more likely to draft Porzingis?

    2. I had mentioned previously that even with a healthy Embiid, Zinger fits well. They would have a monster front line with Embiid in the low post, Zinger as a stretch 4 and Noel as a weak-side rebounder. On defense, you’d have at least 2 and possibly 3 monster rim protectors. With MCW at the point, that’s a lotta beef and athleticism to build around.

      I suppose you could argue that a stud combo guard prospect like Russell is more valuable, but its certainly not a no-brainer.

      If Embiid goes down for the year, then Zinger makes more sense, assuming Okafor isn’t available. But Russell would be hard to pass over. Maybe they should trade down…

    3. Only thing is mcw doesn’t play for the sixers anymore and I don’t think Noel can play the 3 offensively or defensively

    4. In the absence of information, it’s almost impossible to make a good decision. The teams will certainly have more information than we do – stuff they track beyond wingspan and speed – but even then, it is very, very difficult to predict how individual players develop, especially when they are 19. Advanced systems like WP and WoW are not perfect predictors (although rebounding is fairly consistent from college to the pros). And this year is even more of a challenge than usual, since so many unusual players and situations exist: WCS is a great defender, but not a great rebounder, but is that because he was used as an all-purpose defender away from the paint? Mudiay is fast and strong, but against inferior competition, and how do we know measure what that means? The Zinger was playing in a league that is better than China, or is it worse, and how much worse is it than EuroCup, or are the players comparable enough? Myles Turner could turn out to be dominant, but only if the weird muscle weakness that was diagnosed is in fact the problem. And so on.

      Considering that, I think I’ve resigned myself to accepting just about any draft pick possible. There is only one sure thing, and that’s Towns, and we lost the worst record and best shot at him because of stupidity. So, we are where we are, and the good news is that it could still work out great.

      Or, it may not. And we will have (probably) no real idea until long after draft night.

    5. The rise of Porzingis is great, as this draft comfortably becomes a top 4 draft instead of a top 3.
      So we could potentially end up with Russell or Okafor now. Most likely, we’ll end up with Porzingis, but if he’s more valuable as a trade piece than Mudiay, so be it.

    6. Zinger looks like bargnani/Jason smith 2.0. Big man who is average at shooting. He’s is seemingly a lock to be a poor rebounder and defender not sure why anyone would want that with a top pick

    7. An interesting question: if Okafor is available, do we take him? Okafor and Monroe would be a terrible fit so if we draft him, Phil would have to go in a different direction in free agency. I posted the stats a couple of weeks ago but Monroe is an elite post player as long as some non-shooting big like Drummond, Jordan, R. Lopez doesn’t clog the paint. That’s why his efficiency plummeted after two terrific first couple of years. He ended up just bricking mid-range jumpers. His defense appears to be at least average. So why would we draft a 20yo who’s got a similar but not yet proven NBA game when we could have a 24yo in free agency who, if used properly, will be a really good player? I say NOkafor.

    8. Zinger looks good dunking and shooting jumpers with nobody defending him but the skillset is alarmingly close to Bargs. “He has good range for a seven-footer” is not an accolade that impresses me. I know stretch fours are in vogue these days, but give me a bruiser of a PF who will clobber fools in the paint and grab a bunch of rebounds any day.

    9. On P&T someone posted a Bargnani video from his Italian league career. I see some similarities, but something is different about this guy. He seems longer, and when he dunks, he head is at the rim.

      Anyway, even if there are similarities, the difference between athletically similar players at this level is mainly between the ears. My main gripe with Bargnani is that he is just not a smart player, and this taints everything he does. He also is not a good 3-pt shooter, but plays mainly a stretch 4’s game. So even conceding that Porzingis is no better athletically (and I think he actually IS better) the questions are mainly about b-ball IQ and consistency. In one of the videos re: the Zinger, he explains how he comes from a basketball family…his parents and his brother all played. Not sure if that counts for anything, but it certainly helps when a kid grew up being coached at home, and continues to have family support. I dunno, I just really like his chances of being an x-factor type of player right from the start.

    10. U know what sucks about MCW being a Buck now? Phil probably could have had him for TH2 and Larkin during the season, but we wanted to tank. So I guess that’s why Phil never tried to grab a player of value when he made his in season trades. I think that this season, we had a shot at either Reggie Jackson or MCW..maybe even both with the way the trades shook out. But that’s easy to say, being that I’m not in the Knicks front office and hindsight is 20/20.

    11. Reggie Jackson stinks….and it’s worrisome that Jax coveted the guy and tried to trade for him. He’s an average .100 WS/48 player over the last 3 years and Phil was ready to pay him 10m+ for that production. Pistons, the team for which Jax did such a great job as a consultant, saved us on that one.

    12. That makes him a average NBA point guard who is 25 and thus will probably get better. That’s much better than Calderon and the price of talent in the NBA is going up. So maybe $10M isn’t much of a stretch.

    13. Look here. He hasn’t really improved his overall game at all in the last 4 years unlike Corey Joseph who’s improved every year.

    14. We might not want to just assume that a free agent will sign here. Monroe is reportedly also a target of the Celtics, for example.

      If I’m running Philly, I would assume that they have to go forward without Embiid. That foot problem might turn out to be a chronic issue.

    15. There really isn’t a rise of Kristaps though he is just going back to his normal slot. This mock draft boards wants hits on their site too so why not play around with the boards a little. Teams have been on this guy since last year.

      Also, the major difference for me between Prozi and Bargs/Smith(Bargs Jr) is his explosiveness. I really think he can be a fantastic PnR finisher if all else fells.

    16. I cannot believe Philly would “accidentally” let that sensitive information “slip” out 10 days before the draft and 2 weeks before the FA period.

      My bullshit detector is on high alert of strategic misinformation being loosed on the “public”

    17. If Okafor were to fall I would put my focus on Koufos and Ajinca. I want Ajinca even if Monroe was here. I like him as the 3rd big coming off the bench playing PF/C.

    18. Porzingis looks better than Bargnani. He looks like a better leaper and perhaps he’s already a better shooter. But it’s still way too close for comfort. It’s not like Bargnani is a good player and Porzingis will be better. Bargnani is a BAD player and Porzingis will be better.

      Interesting point on the 76ers coming public with this just before the draft, but I don’t think it impacts them in terms making deals. They can select a top big or top small from their spot.

      Maybe drafting Mudiay (which I have been against) makes more sense now with Porzingis moving up. Denver is probably going to trade Lawson and they also want to move up to try to get a real franchise player. We can hold out Mudiay as a PG replacement with huge upside and possibly get back either WCS or Winslow plus an asset from them. The problem appears to be that Sacramento likes WCS a lot. The Magic could take Winslow. That would leave Porzingis or keeping Mudiay for us. If people are comfortable with Mudiay, Porzingis, Winslow or WCS, a deal with Denver makes a lot of sense unless Phil has his heart set on either Winslow or WCS. I don’t want Porzingis, but the talk is that Mudiay is shooting better now. So I’m not as cold to that idea as before. So if we draft Mudiay and Denver winds up with Porzingis, we just keep Mudiay. Otherwise, we trade.

    19. i don’t see any reason that makes porzingis better than a guy like myles turner….

    20. This is what I don’t understand. Players WORLDWIDE say that the best players in the world play in the NBA, right? Then why is it that the whole basketball world goes ape shit bananas the moment we see a tall European player nail a 3 or make a nice crossover dribble? Gee, thanks Dirk! Myles Turner does seemingly the same things Porzingis does, except he rebounds better and blocks more shots, yet the talk about him is usually accompanied by ‘overrated’ or ‘probable bust’. But we know nothing about Porzingis outside of a little game film and workouts, and everyone is like “WOW THE POTENTIAL!!”. I admit, Porzingis does look pretty good, more mobile than his frame suggests- but what really IS the difference between Turner and Zinger?I don’t see much. I see a lot of potential in both guys to be honest. Is it the experience of playing in a pro league overseas? I am intrigued by Porzingis, but top 4? In my mind, getting drafted that high means you are most likely a real difference maker. I’d LOVE to see film of defensive highlights only for Porzingis. If he has good BBall instincts on that end, I would have no problem with Phil taking him at 4. Besides, if Monroe is most likely gonna be a Knick next season, why draft Porzingis? I don’t think that he’ll ever be a Center..even if he gains weight and boards and defends well. His game translates to PF.

    21. If he has good BBall instincts on that end, I would have no problem with Phil taking him at 4.

      He does not. He’s terrible on defense with poor instincts.

      That said, his offense might be good enough to make up for the defense issues.

    22. Totes…I love you. You said exactly what I think about falling victim to hype ( especially at this time of year with all the misdirection ) and highlight reels. Let’s all say we were able to watch Porzingas play an entire season in the Euroleague. Projecting him in the L athletically would be difficult based on the level of comp. Projecting his skill set in the L is tricky as well since not every team plays drive and 3 ball.

      I hope if we draft him I’m proven wrong, and would gladly welcome all shit talking thrown my way. But, I get the L transitioning to euro ball. Fine. But, at a certain point, that styles strength is it’s weakness ( and vice versa ). No interior game and generally no interior d. The difference between Porzingas and Miles Turner is we’ve all seen what Turner can do, both offensively and defensively against athletic competition. We’ve seen what Porzingas can do on YouTube. And as far as watching him in a workout, like AI said…”We talkin’ bout practice.”

    23. I like Myles Turner as a prospect, but he was pretty bad in conference play. His three point shot vanished, he stopped getting to the free throw line and his efficiency plummeted, to the tune of .506 TS% in conference play. Meanwhile Zinger had like a .640 TS% in EuroCup.

      They’re not really that similar. Porzingis is a good offensive player who doesn’t rebound or play much defense, while Turner is a good defender and very good rebounder who has an iffy perimeter game. The one thing they have in common is that they’re both good weakside shot blockers.

    24. I would venture to say that Porzingis might have the best shooting form of any seven footer I’ve ever seen.

      I’m not even saying we should take him, that’s just the thing that stands out to me when I watch him.

    25. Just to clarify my opinion on Turner a bit. Coach Barnes was criticized for misusing him in the o, along with damn near everybody else on the team. That would explain the efficiency numbers although not free throws. That being said, in limited minutes he was a productive shot blocker and occasional offensive threat out to 20′. To be honest, my opinion is based on my love of the 90’s Knicks and the 80’s through 90’s basketball. Strong post and d. I’ve always considered that to be Knicks basketball. Same as the late 60’s early 70’s teams. Guess it really comes down to ol’ Phil and his philosophy. Whatever that may be, screw it. I’m all in.

    26. I’m tellin ya..the anxiety of the draft and free agency is killin me lol. I’m warming up to a forward tandem of Monroe and Melo, but I still like the idea of moving Melo to the 4 and inking Jordan and Carroll. If Monroe is our “big sign” in FA 2015, Phil should stop there and add role players to preserve cap room and trade down for WCS. At this point- bein a Georgetown fan having allowed me to see what Monroe can do- I could care less if WCS has no offensive skills. If his potential on defense is what scouts say it is- then he is a good fit alongside Melo and Monroe. I hope the triangle can bring out the best in Monroe. He does a lot of things very well, but not necessarily great at one thing. Like I said in a thread a couple days ago- if we can get 20 ppg 10 rpg and 5 apg out of Monroe- I’d be escstatic. Not much of a stretch if the ball is moving really. He’s a pretty good passer at 6’11” 250 and has career averages of 14 an 9, so maybe being in the triangle with a scorer like Melo will help him get 6 more ppg. Maybe TH2 can still be of value in a trade to help us get back into the late 1st. I like Shved in this system- as well as Ledo. I also like Lance Thomas and Lou Amundson as role players off the bench. But Phil has got to get the core of this team right. Are Monroe and Melo enough of a core to get us an 8 seed in the East? probably. I hope Fish learned something in year 1. Phil’s gonna hafta find a starting off guard somewhere or TH2 is gonna hafta improve dramatically on defense. I think the team may be ok. MAYBE lol

    27. Lol shumpert is a vet minimum player

      The brick three, matador d on Klay, and the blown layup, followed by a terrible defensive play… How is he still in the game?

    28. How is there any dispute on the latest JR buffoonery? He loaded up his forearms at full-speed.

    29. I have a hunch this game will end like game 4, with Golden State blowing them out in the 4th quarter.

    30. I have a hunch this game will end like game 4, with Golden State blowing them out in the 4th quarter.

      I wouldn’t be surprised either. The Cavs play horrid offensive basketball, like to the point that I am incredulous that the series is tied. Offensively, Dellavedova is the worst PG that LeBron’s ever played with, Shumpert is a D-Leaguer from 3 and at the rim, J.R. has at least four more terrible decisions to be made in the 2nd half, and Tristan Thompson’s good for scrap-heap putbacks and not much more. Couple those to LeBron’s fading ability to finish possessions and an ever-shaky jumper, and you get the offense trainwreck that is the 2015 Cavs.

      Also, I have noticed that a 6’8″ man tends to take about six seconds to bring the ball across halfcourt on the average play. Not surprised that he wouldn’t pass the ball forward to a wide-open Dellavedova to prevent the 8-second violation, but damn: that play might haunt the Cavs at the end of the game.

    31. Kinda feel bad for LeBron. This might as well be the same Cavs team he already took to the finals. Good God! If they were playing the Spurs they’d get swept again!

    32. It’s pretty embarrassing for the Warriors to only barely be beating this team.

    33. In defense of the Warriors, it’s their first time ( phrasing! boom! ). Plus Steph wasn’t Steph. But that last shot…f#@k.

    34. It’s pretty embarrassing for the Warriors to only barely be beating this team.

      The Warriors have outscored the Cavs by 35 points this series. (And they’d be up by 20 in this one if Igudala had just shot 50% from the line.

    35. if the cavs lose. Why not lebron opt out and join melo in NY :p

      He should opt out and go to a team that doesn’t have Iman Shumpert and J.R. Smith on the roster.

    36. J.R. Smith and Iman Shumpert combined for 23 points on 8-of-13 shooting when coming off passes from LeBron James. They’ve combined for 1 point on 0-for-11 shooting when James didn’t create their shot.

      Sounds about right.

    37. Matthew Dellavedova makes me rethink everything I think I understand about shot creation. I can’t believe he’s on an NBA roster.

    38. Sometimes I think this series is secretly two people playing NBA Live or 2k. One guy just chucks 3pters all game. The other just gives the ball to LeBron.

    39. This series is incredible. This is the best kind of bad basketball I’ve seen in a while. LeBron should win Finals MVP by a long mile even if the Cavs lose. I haven’t seen anything like that since… well I really don’t know. Maybe MJ in ’93, but I was too young back then.

      (Edit: Lakers’ Shaq qualifies)

      If Cavs lose and Bron doesn’t win it, then the award should go to Iguodala. The sheer difference in the effort needed by LeBron to score (or do anything) against Iguodala versus against everybody else is so large that you have to wonder what would have happened if the Warriors had, say, Chandler Parsons coming off the bench for them. Would LeBron have averaged 42/14/12?

      Still hoping that the Cavs lose, anyway. I don’t get the hate that’s brewing undercurrent in some places against the Warriors.

    40. I feel like those who say we whiffed on the Shump/JR trade should now consider that even with LBJ doing nearly everything to make their lives easier, they are unable to be even average players in this series. Their TS% are in the .390 range!!! Considering his UFA status and injury history, Shump had little value then and maybe even less now. My guess is that when Lebron reflects on this series, he will do everything possible to replace them both.

    41. I also think that these are two of the worst teams I’ve ever seen in the finals. GS is just so young/inexperienced in playoff basketball that they make mistake after mistake and can’t take advantage of Lebron and the D-league all-stars. Forget the winners, any of the good, seasoned teams from the ’90s-’00s would have soundly beaten these teams, e.g. Barkley’s Suns, Malone/Stockton’s Jazz, Payton’s Sonics, and of course, Ewing’s Knicks.

      The Warriors might evolve into a better team, but they are super green right now. Too bad the East couldn’t field a better opponent.

    42. Considering his UFA status and injury history, Shump had little value then and maybe even less now. My guess is that when Lebron reflects on this series, he will do everything possible to replace them both.

      In Shump’s case (and remember, he’s a RFA) I guess it depends on how much the market would pay for him. If he stays in Cleveland for 20mln/4yrs it can make sense if they will employ him as a bench guy or, at best, as a homeless man’s Tony Allen. Anything more, and he’s overvalued. He’s a piss poor offensive player who has a defensive reputation much higher than he deserves. He can shut down players who have trouble shooting from deep, but if his man can shoot from the dribble or running around screens he’s toast.

    43. The great GM’s are the ones who have the foresight to sell high. We supposedly could have gotten a 1st round pick for Shump from OKC last season, and Hardaway Jr. had pretty good value after his rookie season. Now, he’s worth a future 2nd rounder at best.

    44. So we could have gotten a pick at the end of the 1st round, and instead we got a 2nd and dumped JR’s salary. I’d call that a wash.

      As to TH2, just about everyone here felt he was worth keeping after his rookie year. No one really predicted that he would actually regress (until he carried us to those much needed wins at the end of the season.)

    45. “He’s a piss poor offensive player who has a defensive reputation much higher than he deserves.”
      Anyone who still thinks that Shumpert is some kind of lock-down perimeter defender might want to consider the fact that his team is playing against the best offensive perimeter player in the league and the coach has chosen to have Matthew Dellavadova guard him most of the time. I can’t imagine Bruce Bowen’s or Tony Allen’s coach deciding to have a glorified D-Leaguer guard the other team’s best player. It is going to be interesting to see how much money JR and Shumpert have cost themselves in this finals. My guess is a lot.

    46. For the series, JR is shooting 30% from the field, but at least that is better than Shumpert and Dellavadova, who are shooting 27% and 23%, respectively, from the field. Shumpert is 2 for 15 on two point shots. JR has taken 2 foul shots the entire series and Shumpert has taken 6. For Shump and JR, the finals are not goink very well at all…

    47. I feel like those who say we whiffed on the Shump/JR trade should now consider that even with LBJ doing nearly everything to make their lives easier, they are unable to be even average players in this series. Their TS% are in the .390 range!!!

      You do know that Golden State allowed the lowest eFG% in the league this year. Pretty much everybody shot worse against them this year, which is why they won 67 games. Even LeBron, despite willing his team to make this a series, is only shooting eFG% .433

      Smith and Shump are not good bballers at this level, that is known. But you give GS no credit, calling them “one of the worst finals team you’ve ever seen”. So, basically, Shump and Smith (and LeBron) miss most of their shots because they suck, and defense in the finals means nothing?

    48. > Phil should have held out for the OKC protected 1st in the Shump/JR deal in addition to the 2nd round pick. Would Cavs have walked away from that deal if the pick went to NYK instead of Cleveland? I really doubt it. Shump and JR were a great package in exchange for Waiters. An elite catch-and-shoot and rebounding SG like JR and an all-purpose defensive wing in Shump who could spot-up were excellent fits for that win-now team. Shump/JR deal made sense for both teams but Phil blinked on the return.

      > I’m still trying to figure out why Shump was so terrible at driving and finishing given this profile of him from nbadraft.net: Defenders practically bounce off him when he drives in the paint … Able to finish in spectacular fashion at the rim, displaying fantastic hang-time and body-control … A capable, though unsteady, playmaker … Has good drive-and-dish potential at the next level ..

      > Could we lay off Delly? The guy’s primary position is SG and he’s having to play at the 1 and to create because of Kyrie’s injury. He’s one of the best defenders at SG position in the league and has done more than a decent job against Curry in a pinch.

    49. An elite catch-and-shoot and rebounding SG like JR and an all-purpose defensive wing in Shump

      Wow, have you watched the Finals at all?

    50. In latest mock drafts, both draftexpress and draftnet have Zinger going to 76ers. One has Okafor to Lakers while other has LA choosing Russell. So a good chance that one of Okafor and Russell might be there for us. I don’t like either of them! Okafor would be a horrible fit next to Monroe. Monroe sans Drummond has posted a KD/Bron/AD/Curry like profile in terms of usage/efficiency. We have to sign him. Maybe we pick Okafor for another team – it’s possible we could end up with WCS or Kaminsky AND Boston’s 16th pick AND dump Calderon if a team really wants Okafor.

    51. I cant lie. Watching Shump miss layup after layup. And watching Earl brick threes makes me warm and fuzzy on the inside.

      All this Lebron made them better talk has been nauseating.

    52. An elite catch-and-shoot and rebounding SG like JR and an all-purpose defensive wing in Shump

      Wow, have you watched the Finals at all?

      I’m talking about Cleveland’s mindset at the time of the trade.

    53. Anyone who still thinks that Shumpert is some kind of lock-down perimeter defender might want to consider the fact that his team is playing against the best offensive perimeter player in the league and the coach has chosen to have Matthew Dellavadova guard him most of the time.

      The reason Shump isn’t guarding Curry 100% of the time (he does do it some of the time) is that #1 Delly is doing a reasonable job fighting over screens and at least making life difficult for Curry, #2 the few times Delly has ended up on Klay Thompson (who would be his matchup if Shump guarded Curry), Klay has taken him into the post and brutalized him.

      #3 admittedly is that Shump just isn’t great getting over screens, and since he’d run into 3-4 screens per possession covering Curry, it’s just not a great matchup.

      Shump is a great isolation defender. Not so much in PNR coverage.

    54. “Phil should have held out for the OKC protected 1st in the Shump/JR deal in addition to the 2nd round pick. Would Cavs have walked away from that deal if the pick went to NYK instead of Cleveland? I really doubt it.”
      We will never know what conversations actually did take place and what Phil tried to hold out for or what Cleveland would have done. For all we know, maybe Phil shopped Shumpert to every team in the league and the best he could get for him was a mid-second round pick. If that was Shump’s value, bribing the Cavs to take JR and his $6+ million player option off their hands for the value of a mid-second round pick was a good deal. It is a real stretch to call Shumpert a good “all-purpose” anything. By any statistical measure — traditional or advanced — he has never in his career (including his time with the Cavs) been even an average NBA player.
      “#3 admittedly is that Shump just isn’t great getting over screens, and since he’d run into 3-4 screens per possession covering Curry, it’s just not a great matchup.”
      Isn’t that the same thing as saying that he is a good defender in some situations but has some real shortcomings in others? Which makes him a good, but not great, defender, no?

    55. Isn’t that the same thing as saying that he is a good defender in some situations but has some real shortcomings in others? Which makes him a good, but not great, defender, no?

      Right – that’s why I wrote the next sentence.

      Meanwhile – I wonder what Mike Woodson thinks about these finals. His answer to Hibbert and the grinding pace of that 2nd round series was start Kenyon Martin and kill our offensive flow even worse. Kerr basically did the exact opposite. What Woodson did was basically the equivalent of starting Bogut and Ezeli to try to match up with Tristan Thompson. So crazy to think how our franchise might have been different if he had gone small in that series rather than try to match up with the Pacers. And then the next year, if the Knicks had not tried to match “the East is BIG” by trading for Bargnani. Bleh.

    56. Re: Shump, his offensive ineptitude is really D-League level. There was one play last night where he made a nice spin move and got to the basket uncontested, and then completely bricked the layup. And of course his side of the backboard 3 point attempt. I really wonder what kind of contract he can get, but I guess there’s some GM out there who still believes he’s an elite defender who can make open shots.

      And re: JR, that flagrant foul tells you all you need to know about his basketball IQ (idiocy quotient)

    57. There was one play last night where he made a nice spin move and got to the basket uncontested, and then completely bricked the layup.

      It’s happened 100 times and yet somehow every time Shump misses a layup like that it still kind of startles me. For an athletic guy like him to be completely unable to make layups is just so weird that my brain can’t fully compute it. That spin move was absolutely beautiful and then I’m not even sure his wide open layup attempt caught the rim.

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