Knicks Morning News (2015.06.04)

  • [New York Times] Steve Kerr and David Blatt Reached N.B.A. Finals on Unconventional Paths (Thu, 04 Jun 2015 09:00:23 GMT)

    The series will be a matchup of Kerr and Blatt, first-time head coaches whose personal histories have forcefully crashed the borders of conventionalism.

  • [New York Times] Five Things to Know From NBA Finals Practices (Thu, 04 Jun 2015 06:46:18 GMT)

    They talked about ending championship droughts, starting new traditions and building legacies.

  • [New York Times] Essay: A Team With More Twists Than the Cuyahoga, and Just as Much Grit (Thu, 04 Jun 2015 01:50:05 GMT)

    After a struggle of a season, filled with slumps, spurts and injuries, the Cavaliers enter the finals with a city’s hopes on their shoulders.

  • [New York Times] Keeping Score: A Golden State Warriors Fan Tries to Look at the Series Objectively (Thu, 04 Jun 2015 01:33:41 GMT)

    I have to admit that when it comes to the Golden State Warriors, I am a fan of the most emotional and irrational sort. As such, I am having trouble analyzing the N.B.A. finals.

  • [New York Post] J.R. Smith: I ‘absolutely’ feel Knicks discarded me like trash (Thu, 04 Jun 2015 02:59:58 -0400)

    OAKLAND, Calif. — J.R. Smith finally explained his Instagram post that appeared to be a dig at the Knicks after the Cavaliers knocked out the Bulls in the second round…

  • [New York Post] Former Knick David Lee’s circuitous journey to NBA Finals (Thu, 04 Jun 2015 02:18:33 -0400)

    OAKLAND, Calif. — After all the down years with the Knicks and losing days with the Warriors, it would seem bittersweet for David Lee to enter his first NBA Finals…

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    18 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2015.06.04)”

    1. “I’m trying really hard to not fall in love with this guy, but can’t help it! I see way more Dirk/Pau than Andrea/Shawn Bradey.
      http://www.postingandtoasting.com/2015/6/3/8662977/know-the-prospects-kirstaps-porzingis
      I know what you mean. I’ve talked myself into and out of the Zinger at least 8 times already. If you want to talk yourself into Porzingas, watch only the “strengths” portion of his draftexpress video. If you want to talk yourself out of him, watch the “weaknesses” portion only. If you want to be utterly confused, watch the whole thing.
      By the way, I think that the idea of Phil only picking/signing guys who “fit the triangle” is a little bit overstated. He had a guy in Chicago who not only didn’t fit the triangle offense, he didn’t fit any offense in the NBA, and he was a pretty valuable guy — Dennis Rodman.

    2. and he was a pretty valuable guy — Dennis Rodman

      Another good WCS comp/ceiling, hopefully not as crazy lol

    3. Bringing my own spin of the hypothetical trade at the end of the last thread, so that we get a 2016 1st instead of Charlotte’s #9 this year:

      -NY receives #7 from Denver and Brooklyn’s 2016 1st from Boston
      -Denver receives #4 from NY and Stephenson from Charlotte
      -Charlotte receives Ty Lawson from Denver and GWallace and Minny 2016 1st from Boston
      -Boston receives THJr and #9 from Charlotte

      Boston will make out like a bandit here since they would get to shed GWallace’s 10mil AND move up to #9, but have to give up two 1st’s next year, the more valuable of which would be ours (unprotected).

      Thoughts?

    4. I want to know what the Knickerblogger faithful think about the Finals now that we have finally made it to Thursday. Is there anybody out there that thinks Cleveland has a real shot? I can’t shake the feeling that it’s going to be a serious rout. Golden State has way too many answers for Lebron defensively no place for Cleveland to hide their weak defenders on the other end.

    5. Makes no sense for Denver, who would have to take on Stephenson’s contract AND give up Lawson just to move up a measly three spots int he draft.

      Part of me thinks that if WCS or one of the Euros is there at 9, we should keep our #4 and try to take Charlotte’s pick and absorb Lance’s radioactive contract for THJ.

    6. Is Stephenson’s contract really that bad? There’s just this year left and then a team option after in a year when the salary cap will soar. Yeah, he was awful last year, but he is, in effect, an expiring/playing for his next contract. He has a lot to prove this year. I don’t see Charlotte that anxious to dump him.

      Unless, of course, he’s so crazy that he figures to tank this year, become a free agent, and strike it rich in 2016 after 2 consecutive bad years. :-)

      But, yeah, if Charlotte is willing to package the #9 pick to get rid of him, the Knicks should be eager. Offer anyone/thing except the #4 pick.

    7. If we were able to get the #9 pick for the measly price of THJr and one year of Lance Stephenson I’d tattoo Phil Jackson anywhere on my body

    8. The Knicks are in a good position to stash somebody else’s bad contract for a year or two while picking up some assets in the process. Gotta “win now” though, so scratch off that possibility.

    9. The Knicks are absolutely primed to just absorb bad contracts for the sake of longterm winning, even with the fact that they don’t have their 2016 pick. Like Melo’s deal, it’s a sunk cost. They should still be trying to rebuild by taking on bad contracts to get good assets. Of course they won’t do that, but still…

    10. The Knicks are absolutely primed to just absorb bad contracts for the sake of longterm winning, even with the fact that they don’t have their 2016 pick. Like Melo’s deal, it’s a sunk cost. They should still be trying to rebuild by taking on bad contracts to get good assets.

      That’s why the JR Smith and Felton dumps are so frustrating. The Knicks were so primed to use their cap space to do a proper rebuild. Wave them and eat their contracts (like SVG did with Josh Smith) and use your assets to acquire futures, not dump your previous regimes mistakes.

      Houston, Washington, and Minnesota were teams that exploited the 2010 free agent frenzy, renting their cap space to teams desperate to clear room. They all acquired great future assets. Flash forward 5 years and Washington and Houston are playing deep into May, while all the 2010 dice-rollers are in flux (NY, MIA, CHI).

      It’s so crazy, it might just work! (…but, sadly, we’ll never know)

    11. Young Rodman, the guy who guarded centers and Michael Jordan and everyone in between is sort of WCSish, but that’s where that comparison ends

    12. I think taking on bad contracts and collecting assets is a good plan… but only as a plan B. Plan A still has to be to build the best current team that you can. I mean, what if Marc Gasol decides to come (I still don’t think that’s out of the question), we draft WCS, Melo is Melo, we sign Danny Green, Galloway continues his strong defense and improves his shooting (should happen just on the basis that he’ll be taking more catch/shoots as opposed to all the off the dribble stuff he was forced to do last year), and one of the other kids (Thanasis, THJ, Early, etc.) develops? Suddenly we’d have the best PNR defense in the league (4 plus defenders in Gasol, WCS, Galloway, Green) and a more sensical offensive team. Isn’t that better than wasting years renting space?

    13. Oh yeah, Frank, sorry, I do agree that shooting for the moon is the best bet, I just figured it is so unlikely that I was sort of moving past it. As I’ve said for a while, I think that there is a slim chance of Jackson basically threading the needle and getting someone like Gasol to sign. So yes, in that case, it makes more sense to go all in with what you’ve got. But failing that (and odds are that they will fail that), it’s better to do the whole asset collection thing. But they won’t.

    14. An aside on Marc Gasol and why I think he still might come:

      1) I am sure Pau is in his ear about Phil and Derek Fisher, and how the Gasol brothers’ skill set is perfect for the Triangle
      2) he needs to get out of the west.
      3) I don’t think he’s going to take Duncan’s spot in SA (I think it’s quite likely that Duncan does not retire, therefore SA will not be able to offer him the $ that other teams can)
      4) Memphis had their best team this year…and still was pretty handily beaten by GS.
      5) we can pay him lots of $

    15. So yes, in that case, it makes more sense to go all in with what you’ve got. But failing that (and odds are that they will fail that), it’s better to do the whole asset collection thing. But they won’t.

      Actually it’ll be very interesting to see what happens if all of his top FA targets say no. Will Phil go Joe Dumars and give all his $ to terrible players like Villanueva and Ben Gordon? Or will he be smart and either rent the space or just not use it right away (ie. save it for the trade deadline when teams are more desperate)?

    16. The getting out of the west thing could have helped us more if most of our FA targets werent eastern players

    17. Plan A still has to be to build the best current team that you can.

      I don’t think the two are mutually exclusive. The Knicks had enough money to sign Marc Gasol with or without Felton and JR Smith being traded. And not having to package Felton and Smith to Chandler and Shump frees up trading them for actual basketball players that can help you instead of just flotsam and jetsam. It’s all part of building the best team, both in the short run and the long run. But it has an eye past the current year, which is the year the Knicks always look to, and is why the future is always bleak for them

      on Marc Gasol and why I think he still might come…

      I don’t see why Gasol needs to get out of the west. All the good teams are in the west. Wouldn’t he rather play for a good team than an eastern team?

      The Griz and the Spurs were the only team with a realistic shot of beating Golden State in the west playoffs this year. If he wants a shot at winning a title, it’s with the Grizzlies or Spurs, not the rebuilding Knicks.

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