Knicks Morning News (2015.05.24)

  • [New York Daily News] Lupica: Clock is tickin’ on Phil Jackson (Sun, 24 May 2015 04:45:26 GMT)

    When James Dolan brought Phil Jackson “home” to run the Knicks, a veteran of NBA coaching called me up and said: “Wait and see.

  • [New York Times] Curry, Golden State Rout Houston 115-80 to Take 3-0 Lead (Sun, 24 May 2015 05:15:57 GMT)

    Stephen Curry scored 40 points and the Golden State Warriors made it look easy, beating the Houston Rockets 115-80 on Saturday night to take a 3-0 lead in the Western Conference finals.

  • [New York Times] Warriors Take 3-0 Lead Over Rockets in Western Finals (Sun, 24 May 2015 04:54:41 GMT)

    The Golden State Warriors are one victory away from the NBA Finals after routing the Houston Rockets 115-80 in Game Three of the Western Conference finals on Saturday.

  • [New York Times] Warriors 115, Rockets 80: Stephen Curry, With a Little Help, Tramples the Rockets (Sun, 24 May 2015 04:31:03 GMT)

    Curry, who dazzled the crowd into a state of bewilderment, finished with 40 points as the Warriors seized a three-games-to-none lead in the Western Conference finals.

  • [New York Times] Warriors Take 3-0 Lead Over Rockets in Western Finals (Sun, 24 May 2015 03:57:42 GMT)

    Guard Stephen Curry was unstoppable as the Golden State Warriors moved within one victory of reaching the NBA Finals when they routed the Houston Rockets 115-80 in Game Three of the Western Conference finals on Saturday.

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    55 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2015.05.24)”

    1. “Too much of a good, simple idea to fly with Knicks management or average fans. They still believe the Knicks can contend for a title under Melo and Jackson’s leadership.”

      Well actually, as an average fan, it’s not about whether its a good, simple idea; it’s about whether the idea has any chance at all of becoming a reality. Here are some certainties:

      1) James Dolan owns the Knicks. Barring a heart attack, a plane crash or an assassin’s bullet, is likely to be owning the team for the next two decades.

      2) The Knicks currently have the assets that they do, including Melo with a mega-max deal and a NTC.

      3) Phil Jackson is the GM for now.

      4) The plan suggested by THCJ has a zero% chance of materializing so long as 1) is a reality.

      Most Knicks fans are smart enough to know that the team is “probably” not on a winning path for the foreseeable future. But why not hope that the #4 pick becomes the next Oscar Robertson rather than the next Tyreke Evans? Why not hope that Melo recovers well and gets surrounded by a decent group of players? Why not hope that the Knicks eventually turn the corner from hapless to contender under Dolan’s watch, LIKE THE RANGERS DID?

      For me, being a sports fan is generally all about hope and loyalty. I would be ecstatic if the Knicks won a title, but if I have to suffer through another 5, or 10, or 40 years of frustration, I will still start every season with a sense of hope and loyalty. And at the end of the day, it has very little impact on the overall quality of my life. I am eternally grateful that I am not like you…a miserable wretch of a fan without any hope or optimism grounded in what is actually possible.

    2. I saw a unrealistic trade idea but just wondering what people thought.

      Would you trade the 4th pick(w/Russell,Towns, and Okafor gone) to the Bucks for

      Middleton, Henson, and the 17th pick?

    3. @2
      THCJ’s ideas are logical, I’m not disputing that. There is also zero% probability that they will be implemented in the world as it currently exists. No one knows that better than him. So tell me, why do people here seem to despise your commentary so much more than they do his? How many times will you go to the “delusional fanboy” and “kill the messenger” well before it dawns on you that its about you and not the message?

    4. I also find your “rape” analogy to be another indicator of your character. Yeah, like rooting for a losing team is in any way comparable to being raped.

    5. @3 maybe. What you’d essentially be saying is that Middleton is a good floor for what we would get at #4, or that there will be a solid player available at #17. I think it’s a 50-50 deal, and would probably pass.

    6. I’m not even going to honor the relevant section by quoting it, but for fuck’s sake I think it’s time to ban the guy.

    7. look how much capt luke contributes to discussion he uses incredibly offensive rape analogies and repeats the same horrible, totally fantastical arguments ad nauseaum

      here’s hoping he dies soon–hopefully in a fire–so I don’t have to deal with the daily reminder that he’s a waste of space

    8. Trollololololololol. I was having such a good time here too the past few years.

    9. Can I become a mod, ban captain luke, and then have my mod privileges removed thanks

    10. If hitler and captain luke were in the same room and I had a gun with one bullet I would shoot Hitler and bludgeon captain luke to death

    11. I’ve been a Knicks fan since I was a kid which is probably like the rest of you here. I don’t know why everyone here watches sports, but I can tell you that I watch basketball and come to this blog for entertainment, and some relief from my somewhat stressful life/career. Why would you feel that becoming some pariah over pointing out every single flaw of your team would actually do anything or be useful? We all know Melo has a bad contract, we know Dolan sucks, we know about the stupid shit our team does on a regular basis. We have all lived through this shit for years! But damn it, I’m a fan. I want to look at the positive, be hopeful, and look at the bright side when it comes to the Knicks. That what is being a fan is. Why the fuck would you constantly put your team down when nobody is going to listen to your little diatribes that can actually make change occur within the organization? This is a nice escape and form of entertainment for 99% of people, don’t muck it all up by turning it into some serious heavy shit. If James Dolan is that much in your damn head you need to go get some help.

    12. It’s amazing how simple things aren’t obvious to people. Even though the Knicks got the 4th pick, the player they should be left with would be perfect for them, but we here about changes to the mock draft order that make no sense. LA, New York and Minnesota want too shake things up.

      Karl-Anthony is perfect for Minnesota, Okafor for LA, Russell for Philly and Mudiay for New York, but fat chance it will happen like that.

    13. If James Dolan is that much in your damn head you need to go get some help.

      Fat chance they listen. It’s the excessiveness of the attack that wears on the reader, and much of it becomes exaggerated. Saying carmelo can’t play is nonsense, he’s proven himself from day one and gone to the wcf. Is he a championship guy? Not as the leader, but maybe we can fix that. Nevertheless, contention is still possible without the trophy. Perhaps that’s all we’ll get.

    14. If we ignore this season’s misery, and look at things only from the standpoint of where we are vs. other possibilities since the Melo signing, is it safe to say that the current reality is far better that “worst case?”

      Meaning:
      If I told you that going into this off-season, we would have:
      #4 pick in a deep draft
      Calderon instead of Felton and JR (I hate that this happened, but it’s only one additional year for a player who is a one-trick pony but is very good at that one trick)
      A couple of possible cheap rotation players (Galloway, Shved, Cole)
      A couple of extra 2nd round picks in coming years
      No other contracts of any substance
      Potentially $30+mill in cap space
      A rising cap
      The potential for amnesty provision in next CBA

      Keeping in mind that:
      Shump was not going to be re-signed
      If Chandler got hurt, we would have gotten nothing for him

      Hardly a “promising” scenario, but hardly a “doomsday” scenario either.

    15. “So tell me, why do people here seem to despise your commentary so much more than they do his?”

      Notice the lack of response to this question.

    16. an angry mob of silly, dim-witted teenagers…lol

      you accept the rape will take place, so you might as well try to enjoy it. I prefer not to accept it, I find no joy or logic pretending to be happy about the rape.

      CL, it is clear that your language and the way you portray your thoughts is offensive to many of us. If it has not been made clear to you directly, well I am offended by it. Yes, the whole rape thing was an analogy, but it is not appropriate or necessary. At best, it is offensive, so why even say it?

      I don’t post much and I read this blog to get some insight and digest the opinions of everything Knicks. When I came across your posts today, I just feel disgusted and ashamed that I have to come across something so distasteful.

      Like Z-man said, I think the whole “rape” analogy is indicative of your character and your constant vitriol and belittling of those of us who are offended by your comments is very rude. This blog is about the Knicks and the sharing of our opinions and thoughts. Again, it is a shame that such repeated offensive language has been put forth in this blog. The displeasure that I (and I am sure many) feel towards your sentiments, for some time now, is substantial, and I feel this great blog should not continue to be stained by it.

    17. If we ignore this season’s misery, and look at things only from the standpoint of where we are vs. other possibilities since the Melo signing, is it safe to say that the current reality is far better that “worst case?”

      Meaning:
      If I told you that going into this off-season, we would have:
      #4 pick in a deep draft

      I would say, “Wow, I figured we’d be bad but not 4th worst team in the league bad!” Not knowing, of course, that we were effectively the worst team in the league.

      Calderon instead of Felton and JR (I hate that this happened, but it’s only one additional year for a player who is a one-trick pony but is very good at that one trick)
      A couple of possible cheap rotation players (Galloway, Shved, Cole)
      A couple of extra 2nd round picks in coming years

      “Wow, we did all that already? I wonder what we can get for Tyson? What, oh.” And “Who’s Galloway, I wonder if he’s even as good as Toney Douglas was?”

      No other contracts of any substance

      “Wow! We didn’t resign Melo to more money and years than any other team could offer plus give him a no-trade clause? What did we get back in the sign-and-trade?”

      Potentially $30+mill in cap space

      “Yes, I know. Almost all of our large contracts are set to expire this Summer.”

      A rising cap

      “Yes, I know. People have been reporting about the rising cap since the newest TV deal was signed.”

      The potential for amnesty provision in next CBA

      “Why would we need that? It’s not like we maxed Melo and he immediately had to have knee surgery.”

      Keeping in mind that:
      Shump was not going to be re-signed
      If Chandler got hurt, we would have gotten nothing for him

      Hardly a “promising” scenario, but hardly a “doomsday” scenario either.

      It’s as close to a doomsday scenario that can exist in the…

    18. @22 very well said, thx!

      @16 any Hitler reference is fraught with the possibility of offending someone. I went there once as a poster here, and was admonished by a moderator for doing so.

      With that said, hopefully I won’t offend anybody by posting this, which was sent to me by my 16yo son. If the moderators feel it is in bad taste, I would understand if it is removed. It is rather clever, though…

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cPQYAl4vfQ

    19. Shump was not going to be re-signed

      It wasn’t all that long ago (last year) that all of our hope for improvement revolved around Shumpert and his upside. And it was even less long ago (this year) that Shump exploded out of the gates and people were debating whether $12,000,000/year was a reasonable price.

      So to say that “Shump was not going to be resigned”, while he sails to the finals with another team, is kind of a doomsday scenario for the Knicks (especially because the return on the trade was nil).

    20. @23 I can think of several worse-case scenarios. Here’s 2:

      We could have traded Amare for Josh Smith

      We could have traded Hardaway and our 2018 #1 for Rondo

      I bring these up because these were very possible outcomes under prior GMs.

      Even if we did the Shump and 2018 #1 for Lowry trade and then signed him to a 4-year $48 mill deal, we’d likely be picking #12-#15 in this draft and have that much less cap space.

    21. Shump hasn’t really played that well for Cleveland, and no way is he worth the same money as Lowry. So I’d say we dodged a bullet there; if not, we could try to sign him at season’s end, unless Cleveland wants to throw $12 million per at him. If they do, good for them.

    22. going to a picnic now. have a great day, boys!

      “This picnic is an abomination. The hotdogs are overcooked and the buns are soggy. The person that is hosting this picnic should be fired. This picnic is obviously just a smokescreen to trick people into thinking that they are having fun, when, really, their lives suck and this picnic can’t make them any better. I know the truth hurts, and all you fanboy mob-rule picnic goers with ugly girlfriends want to shoot the messenger for saying that this picnic sucks, but the mosquitos are out of control and the guy in charge of this picnic should have accounted for mosquitos living near the park. Have a nice picnic, boys. See you at the next one!”

    23. “especially because the return on the trade was nil”

      Well, THCJ would not agree…we got rid of JR’s contract, and Shump’s soon to be non-rookie deal, and got a 2nd round pick in return. In fact, I would guess that THCJ would do that deal for Melo in a heartbeat!

    24. @23 I can think of several worse-case scenarios. Here’s 2:

      We could have traded Amare for Josh Smith

      We could have traded Hardaway and our 2018 #1 for Rondo

      I bring these up because these were very possible outcomes under prior GMs.

      Even if we did the Shump and 2018 #1 for Lowry trade and then signed him to a 4-year $48 mill deal, we’d likely be picking #12-#15 in this draft and have that much less cap space.

      You know, I actually proposed that we trade Amare for Josh Smith and at least one 1st round pick.

      And yes, we could make up awful, fake trades all day that would have put us in an even worse position. Maybe we trade the option to swap 1st rounders in this year’s draft with GS for David Lee. That would be horrible! It doesn’t change the fact that we’re the worst team in the league, we have almost 0 talent outside of Melo (who’s 31 years old and coming off of knee surgery), we have an unproven GM that has all of one positive move (trading Prigioni for two 2nd round picks), we have an unproven coach that was a disaster this year, we don’t really have that much cap space and none of the max players are going to come here. At least none that are actually worthy of the max.

    25. “This picnic is an abomination. The hotdogs are overcooked and the buns are soggy. The person that is hosting this picnic should be fired. This picnic is obviously just a smokescreen to trick people into thinking that they are having fun, when, really, their lives suck and this picnic can’t make them any better. I know the truth hurts, and all you fanboy mob-rule picnic goers with ugly girlfriends want to shoot the messenger for saying that this picnic sucks, but the mosquitos are out of control and the guy in charge of this picnic should have accounted for mosquitos living near the park. Have a nice picnic, boys. See you at the next one!”

      You missed that part where the guy slinging the cole slaw has a legal right to make repeated unwanted advances on all of the women in attendance and that everyone who is bothered by that is a moron. Otherwise, that’s the best comment I’ve read on this board in weeks.

      “especially because the return on the trade was nil”

      Well, THCJ would not agree…we got rid of JR’s contract, and Shump’s soon to be non-rookie deal, and got a 2nd round pick in return. In fact, I would guess that THCJ would do that deal for Melo in a heartbeat!

      I agree. The part in THCJ’s plan that called for trading Melo for what would amount to a handful of 2nd round picks would go down as the most lopsided trade this side of Keven Garnett. And not in our favor. I’d love to trade him too, but that comment was just silly.

    26. True, Melo is 31 and coming off of knee surgery. Does that mean that he’s washed up? He’s being overpaid, yes. But would you be willing to bet that he has a serious decline in his game over the next 3 years? Meaning that he plays less than 65 games a season and shoots less than his career-average TS% of .546? Put another way, if you look back in 3 years and he put up those numbers or better, would you say that his age and surgery were irrelevant (assuming that you would have opposed the signing even if he was 27 and healthy, as many here would have…)

      Re positive vs. negative moves by Phil, every trade he made came with caveats. Not trading Chandler meant risking him getting hurt and us getting nothing for him; most here and elsewhere applauded the trade at the time) Not trading Shump and JR before the rapidly approaching trade deadline meant risking getting nothing for them, continuing to be stuck with JRs contract, and getting a lower draft seed (that trade signaled the begininning of the tank.)

      IMO, the worst thing Jax did was taking on Calderon’s contract, but that isn’t even a disaster, since I think he could still be effective on the right team (imagine him playing alongside LeBron as a back-up to Irving, nailing 7 uncontested 3’s in a playoff game)

    27. “I’d love to trade him too, but that comment was just silly.”

      Mine, or THCJ’s?

    28. “I’d love to trade him too, but that comment was just silly.”

      Mine, or THCJ’s?

      THCJ’s. Specifically the part about trading Melo for some 2nd round picks. The rest of it made sense and is a plan I could get behind, but I remain confident that Melo would net more than a few 2nd round picks if we make an actual effort to trade him (and get him to waive the NTC). Hell, one of his preferred destinations is run by a legacy kid just like ours!

    29. I agree. The part in THCJ’s plan that called for trading Melo for what would amount to a handful of 2nd round picks would go down as the most lopsided trade this side of Keven Garnett. And not in our favor. I’d love to trade him too, but that comment was just silly.

      I said in my post that I’m sure the Knicks could get at least one first-rounder for him. If that failed, shedding his contract for a pair of low-cost 2nd rounders wouldn’t be a bad thing. His contract is terrible. I’d rather get value now than in a year or two when he’s valued more appropriately by the market.

    30. from PJax’s Twitter:
      —-
      @PhilJackson11: Some corrected thoughts:1)like 3pt shooters, check it out, but to play for 3pt shot is an error. Penetration, first principal of offense.
      @PhilJackson11: 2)we are glad for JR,Shump,Pablo,etc…players have comfort zones that they need to play their best…we want them to find that in NBA
      @PhilJackson11: 3)the 3pt shot is not the be all end all of basketball. WNBA is taking their exhibition game to extremes-do not disvalue the 2pt shot.
      —-

      Sigh.

    31. I have been an avid reader of this blog since right before “The Decision”. Please count me among those who are offended by Captain Luke. I’ve seen others banned for much less.

    32. I don’t understand how trading Melo’s contract for 2nd round picks is inane–Melo is a nice enough player but I think it’s pretty obvious that he’s a very negative value at the mega-max. You can get plenty of other players who are better or, at minimum, can give you a far better return on investment in free agency (Danny Green, DeMarre Carroll, Corey Joseph come to mind) with the money you’d be freeing up.

      People don’t get that good players can still be a negative value if they’re as massively overpaid as Melo is–couple that with just coming off a knee injury and his NTC (which he isn’t waiving, guys) and you have a bona-fide disaster of a signing even if he regains his form (which I think he will); it was a dumb, high risk, low reward move; best to leverage his value while we can and trade him–having 25m free in cap is far better than having Melo at 25m, and any picks we could salvage would be icing on the cake.

      That’s not going to happen of course. So I guess we’ll stay the course to multiple 2nd round exits. Even if we’re not horrifically bad like we’ve been for the past 15 years, that’s still pretty depressing, given that we could have a clear plan of action to get better (tank next season, trade Melo, get high value contracts) if we didn’t have that moron Dolan in charge.

    33. True, Melo is 31 and coming off of knee surgery. Does that mean that he’s washed up? He’s being overpaid, yes. But would you be willing to bet that he has a serious decline in his game over the next 3 years? Meaning that he plays less than 65 games a season and shoots less than his career-average TS% of .546? Put another way, if you look back in 3 years and he put up those numbers or better, would you say that his age and surgery were irrelevant (assuming that you would have opposed the signing even if he was 27 and healthy, as many here would have…)

      I would absolutely bet that a 31 year old player coming off of knee surgery will have a serious decline within the next 3 years. And, I’m of the belief that someone who puts up the numbers you mentioned isn’t worth a max deal with a no-trade clause.

      Re positive vs. negative moves by Phil, every trade he made came with caveats. Not trading Chandler meant risking him getting hurt and us getting nothing for him; most here and elsewhere applauded the trade at the time)

      I see this argument all time regarding Chandler trade. For some reason, the only two options we had were to trade Tyson to Dallas for the random crap we got or keep him and have him get injured during the season. Why couldn’t we have traded him somewhere else? Like to OKC?

      Not trading Shump and JR before the rapidly approaching trade deadline meant risking getting nothing for them,

      We did get nothing for them. Oh wait, sorry, we got a 2019 2nd round pick from Cleveland.

      continuing to be stuck with JRs contract, and getting a lower draft seed (that trade signaled the begininning of the tank.)

      We were 5-32 when we made that trade, had just lost 12 in a row, and lost 22 out of 23. We were already tanking. Ideally, our plan wouldn’t be to go all in on free agency this summer that way we wouldn’t have had to worry about one…

    34. Jeez, every time Phil fires off another tweet a small part of me dies. He is really wedded to his outdated dogma.

    35. Tanking next season is not exactly a great plan considering the Knicks dont have their 1st rd pick and there is no possible way to acquire a 1st rd lottery pick for next season because what bad team would actually trade their 2016 1st rd pick to the Knicks?? Unless the Knicks trade their current 1st rd pick for a team desperate to move to #4 because they love Mudiay/Russell or miraculously Okafor drops to #4 and some team offers a crazy trade to the Knicks which I dont see happening.

      Also all these Melo trade scenarios are honestly the biggest waste of time to read because it is not happening this summer so get over it. The only way I see it possibly happening is if the Knicks have another horrible season then next summer I could maybe see it happening cause by then Melo might want out but for now lets look at what the Knicks can/should do on draft night and this summer with the current group of FA’s available and lets leave any fantasy Melo trades out of the discussion because it aint happening.

    36. I actually dont think today’s tweets are that bad by Phil standards. He does know the value of 3pt shooting and spacing, his Bulls and Lakers teams all had designated 3pt shooters whose only value to the team was their shooting ability. I mean his last 3 Lakers teams that went to the NBA Finals between 2008 and 2010 were 6th, 15th and 10th in 3PA so its not like his teams didnt shoot 3pters. They obviously didnt jack them up at will like many teams do now (or the Knicks did 2 years ago when they were actually good) but its not like Phil’s teams shied away from shooting them. Hell his Lakers 3peat teams were 17th, 9th and 7th in 3PA so again Im pretty sure he knows the value of 3pt shooting even if he doesnt value it as much as it seems he should. Plus I think he loves trolling us on Twitter lol.

    37. “I see this argument all time regarding Chandler trade. For some reason, the only two options we had were to trade Tyson to Dallas for the random crap we got or keep him and have him get injured during the season. Why couldn’t we have traded him somewhere else? Like to OKC?”

      I don’t remember seeing an offer from OKC, what was it? The “random crap” we got for Chandler were 2 players who were coming off reasonably good seasons (Calderon and yes, Dalembert) and 2 second round picks that we used on Early and Labeyrie. Not to mention that he was an injury-prone malcontent in a contract year. We also got to dump Felton’s contract. Again, the deal was widely praised at the time. Did you pan the deal when it was made? Did you project that Calderon would have his worst season ever, and Dalembert would be useless and valueless? Did you predict that Early would be injured and bad? In retrospect, it did not turn out well, but there’s no guarantee that holding on to him until a better deal came along would have worked out well. Any kind of injury, from a severe ankle sprain to a broken hand would have made him completely untradeable. And if either Early or Labeyrie turn out to be solid rotation players, the trade becomes even less disappointing.

    38. @45 also, Curry and Thompson are not simply good 3-pt shooters, nor is Harden. Their value is in being able to penetrate effectively AND hit the 3-pt shot, as opposed to Korver, who was totally neutralized in the playoffs. I’m not a fan of his tweeting, but it’s not of much consequence.

    39. “We were 5-32 when we made that trade, had just lost 12 in a row, and lost 22 out of 23. We were already tanking. Ideally, our plan wouldn’t be to go all in on free agency this summer that way we wouldn’t have had to worry about one…”

      Don’t you remember when Detroit had an equally horrific start, (5-23 I believe) and went on a run to get back into the playoff picture in a matter of 10 games? It was not until shortly before the trade that the team totally pulled the plug. There is no doubt that had they kept Shump and JR, they would have won a few more games.

    40. Phil’s whole argument is really dumb. The Warriors have been far and away the best team in the league all year, and he was all ready to bury them after they lost a game or two against Memphis (how’s it goink?) and now that the Warriors are once again laying waste to the rest of the NBA he is still trying to prove his unbelievably wrong-headed point. It actually IS a good idea to “play for the three point shot,” and it is NOT an “error.” If this was baseball he’s be all over Twitter talking about the importance of the bunt.

    41. Instead of banning Luke, maybe Mike could run a script that removes every fourth or fifth word he writes. That way his posts would be far less intelligible, and thus less offensive. That rape bit was … ugh.

      DRed for GM ’16

    42. Golden State reminds me of the 1998 Yankees. They dominated the regular season, avoiding anything even resembling a losing streak. In the playoffs they swept the first round, then fell behind 2-1 in the second round, causing pundits to scream “their flaws are being revealed!”, only to sweep through the next three games and the next series too.

      LeBron is going to have to be really, really good in the finals to even make that series competitive.

    43. I don’t remember seeing an offer from OKC, what was it?

      There was no offer from OKC, I just think there could have been a deal there. If not there, then someone else.

      The “random crap” we got for Chandler were 2 players who were coming off reasonably good seasons (Calderon and yes, Dalembert) and 2 second round picks that we used on Early and Labeyrie. Not to mention that he was an injury-prone malcontent in a contract year. We also got to dump Felton’s contract.

      Calderon was 33 years old and coming off one of the worse seasons of his career. He also makes more money over more years than Felton so we didn’t really dump his contract. Dalembert sucks and has always sucked. Every fanbase of every team he’s been on can’t wait for him to leave. The vast, vast, vast majority of 2nd round picks never even become rotation level players. Based on his rookie year Early looks to be heading down that path. And no, I wasn’t excited to draft him. He put up decent numbers as a much older player in a terrible conference. I also don’t think Thanasis (the other guy we drafted from the trade, not Labeyrie) isn’t a particularly good prospect either. If his brother wasn’t Giannis I don’t think he’d be a prospect at all.

      Again, the deal was widely praised at the time. Did you pan the deal when it was made? Did you project that Calderon would have his worst season ever, and Dalembert would be useless and valueless? Did you predict that Early would be injured and bad? In retrospect, it did not turn out well, but there’s no guarantee that holding on to him until a better deal came along would have worked out well. Any kind of injury, from a severe ankle sprain to a broken hand would have made him completely untradeable. And if either Early or Labeyrie turn out to be solid rotation players, the trade becomes even less disappointing.

      Was it widely praised? I thought it was, at…

    44. I think there may have been a better trade available at the time, but shedding Felton was driving Phil’s agenda.

      The Thunder had Perkins’ contract to match up with Chandler, and the #21 and #29 picks. They did end up trading Perkins for a better C, and they stashed their #29 pick, so it’s not outrageous to suggest a trade could have been worked out for Chandler. But, most likely, Felton was a stumbling block, for better or (more likely) worse.

    45. I think there may have been a better trade available at the time, but shedding Felton was driving Phil’s agenda.

      The Thunder had Perkins’ contract to match up with Chandler, and the #21 and #29 picks. They did end up trading Perkins for a better C, and they stashed their #29 pick, so it’s not outrageous to suggest a trade could have been worked out for Chandler. But, most likely, Felton was a stumbling block, for better or (more likely) worse.

      And, they tried to trade one of their 1st round picks for Shumpert during the season.

    46. I’ve been a Knicks fan since I was a kid which is probably like the rest of you here. I don’t know why everyone here watches sports, but I can tell you that I watch basketball and come to this blog for entertainment, and some relief from my somewhat stressful life/career. Why would you feel that becoming some pariah over pointing out every single flaw of your team would actually do anything or be useful? We all know Melo has a bad contract, we know Dolan sucks, we know about the stupid shit our team does on a regular basis. We have all lived through this shit for years! But damn it, I’m a fan. I want to look at the positive, be hopeful, and look at the bright side when it comes to the Knicks. That what is being a fan is. Why the fuck would you constantly put your team down when nobody is going to listen to your little diatribes that can actually make change occur within the organization? This is a nice escape and form of entertainment for 99% of people, don’t muck it all up by turning it into some serious heavy shit. If James Dolan is that much in your damn head you need to go get some help.

      *slow clap* Well said.

    47. Hmm. having Carmelo is like
      Paying for 25 million for an 15 million worth of yacht. Yes you over pay but at the end of the day, you still own that 15million yacht.

    48. Yeah, but that difference could prevent you from buying the basic stuff, like a life boat or hiring the maintenance crew.

      So, in the end, maybe is better to just buy a jet ski.

    49. Excellent post Donnie.

      Good to know we will only be trolled by Phil Jackson going forward.

    50. Melo + Calderon + #4 to Lakers for #2 + Kobe + 2nd rounder. Git ‘er dun, Jaxie.

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