Knicks Morning News (2015.05.20)

  • [ESPN.com – New York Knicks] Knicks GM: No. 4 pick not 'setback,' keeping options open (Wed, 20 May 2015 01:32:18 EST)

    Knicks GM: No. 4 pick not 'setback,' keeping options open

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks get No. 4 pick in 2015 NBA draft (Wed, 20 May 2015 05:36:17 GMT)

    Phil Jackson did not hit the jackpot, and he did not even land the all-important consolation prize.

  • [New York Daily News] Isola: NBA draft’s 4th pick is a loss for Jackson’s Knicks (Wed, 20 May 2015 05:34:29 GMT)

    Phil Jackson should tell his basketball gods to go to hell. Or maybe he’ll tweet it since he couldn’t represent the Knicks at the lottery.

  • [New York Post] Russell or Mudiay? Knicks’ attention turns to 2 star guards (Wed, 20 May 2015 01:38:25 -0400)

    The Knicks' focus now shifts from a debate between big-man studs Karl-Anthony Towns and Jahlil Okafor to head scratching over the worth of point guards Emmanuel Mudiay and D'Angelo Russell,…

  • [New York Post] Mock 1.0: The Post’s 2015 NBA Draft predictions (Wed, 20 May 2015 00:06:56 -0400)

    Now that we know the order of next month's NBA draft following Tuesday night's lottery drawing, it's time to take our first crack at how it will shake out at…

  • [New York Times] For Cleveland and Atlanta, Plenty of Sports Lowlights (Wed, 20 May 2015 07:12:59 GMT)

    On the sports misery index, Atlanta and Cleveland are hard to beat.

  • [New York Times] Wolves Finally Come Out on Top After Heartache, Bad Luck (Wed, 20 May 2015 06:34:06 GMT)

    His voice cracking and tears welling in his eyes, Flip Saunders pointed to the sky about 20 minutes after the Minnesota Timberwolves — the franchise that has been down on its luck for most of the past 25 years — won the draft lottery to get the No. 1 overall selection.

  • [New York Times] Best Shot: J.R. Smith Making Most of Fresh Start With Cavs (Wed, 20 May 2015 06:34:01 GMT)

    J.R. Smith barely has as an inch of skin not covered by tattoos, offering a colorful timeline of the enigmatic Cleveland shooting guard’s life.

  • [New York Times] Curry Sparks Warriors to Game One Victory Over Houston (Wed, 20 May 2015 04:42:42 GMT)

    Stephen Curry won his personal duel with James Harden as the Golden State Warriors overcame an early deficit and survived a late scare to edge the Houston Rockets 110-106 in Game One of the Western Conference Finals on Tuesday.

  • [New York Times] Warriors 110, Rockets 106: Rockets Surge and Resurge, but Warriors Hold On (Wed, 20 May 2015 04:23:28 GMT)

    Houston led by 16 early in the second quarter, but Golden State somehow moved in front by halftime, scored 11 straight points late and used two free throws with 11.8 seconds left to seal the result.

  • [New York Times] Warriors Rally Past Rockets 110-106 in Game 1 of West Finals (Wed, 20 May 2015 04:16:14 GMT)

    Down big at home, the Golden State Warriors went small.

  • [New York Times] Warriors Rally Past Rockets 110-106 in Game 1 of West Finals (Wed, 20 May 2015 04:10:23 GMT)

    Stephen Curry hit two free throws in the final seconds to finish with 34 points, and the Golden State Warriors rallied from 16 points down in the second quarter to beat the Houston Rockets 110-106 on Tuesday night in Game 1 of the Western Conference finals.

  • [New York Times] N.B.A. Draft Lottery 2015: Timberwolves Get First Pick (Wed, 20 May 2015 02:56:59 GMT)

    Minnesota became only the fifth team to finish with the N.B.A.’s worst record and win the lottery that same year. The Knicks, who had the second-best odds at the top pick, fell to No. 4.

  • [New York Times] Timberwolves Win Draft Lottery, Lakers Move to No. 2 (Wed, 20 May 2015 02:25:04 GMT)

    The Minnesota Timberwolves have won the NBA draft lottery, the first time since 2004 the team with the worst record won the No. 1 pick.

  • [New York Times] Timberwolves Win Lottery for Top Draft Pick (Wed, 20 May 2015 02:18:41 GMT)

    The Minnesota Timberwolves won the National Basketball Association’s draft lottery on Tuesday, giving them the opportunity to make the first selection in June’s draft.

  • [New York Times] 2 Teams That Made Big Strides Look to Take Another Step (Wed, 20 May 2015 01:05:08 GMT)

    The Cavaliers and the Hawks, whose series begins Wednesday, pulled off remarkable turnarounds, with Cleveland relying on LeBron James and Atlanta on Mike Budenholzer’s system.

  • [New York Times] Rev. John Lo Schiavo, Who Barred Basketball, Dies at 90 (Wed, 20 May 2015 00:24:02 GMT)

    Father Lo Schiavo, who spent 14 years as president of the University of San Francisco, made headlines when he suspended the men’s basketball program after repeated violations of N.C.A.A. rules.

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    13 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2015.05.20)”

    1. I’m torn on this 1. I really like the Mudiay kid. But the more and more I see DeAngelo Russell..the more I like him as well. He’s really smooth and intuituve on offense..kinda like Harden..and he’s got a 6’10” wingspan so he has the potential to be very impactful on defense. The only thing I don’t like about Mudiay is he’s not a good shooter yet. At first, I thought Phil should go after DeAndre Jordan and DeMarre Carroll in FA and draft Mudiay and that would bring an instant culture change. But the more I think about it..maybe Russell IS the better fit. But my gosh..the kid has to really work on his defense. I won’t be mad with either pick. Hell..I wouldn’t be mad if the #4 gets traded for Demarcus Cousins. I still would like to see Phil attempt to move TH2 = Larkin for a shot at drafting Bobby Portis. A starting 5 of Jordan-Melo-Carroll-Wilson/Mudiay-Calderon would be a pretty good one and a great fit around Melo’s exploits. I’m anxious now..

    2. “I get that we would have been in a better position today if we had of lost those couple of games at the end of the season,”
      Maybe, maybe not. There is no way of ever knowing if a few more ping pong balls would have resulted in a better draft position. Maybe the T-Wolves would have had lucky balls if they just missed the playoffs and maybe the Knicks would have had unlucky balls if they went 0-82. We’ll never know and it’s downright stupid to say that winning two games “cost them” Towns or Okafor (as Berman wrote in the Post today).

    3. We’ll never know and it’s downright stupid to say that winning two games “cost them” Towns or Okafor (as Berman wrote in the Post today).

      Exactly. The only thing we can all agree to be happy about is that we avoided the worst case scenario with the 2nd worst record (which is, the 5th pick). The 4th pick was the worst case scenario in the event we had the worst record, and the reasoning behind the supertank was exactly to guarantee us a shot at the 4th pick at worst. So, in a very roundabout way, mission accomplished. I’m quite disappointed, but let’s not overreact to luck.

    4. Scratch that on the lineup. I think that regardless of if Calderon stays or not, Galloway probably starts at 1 guard spot. So my vision is Jordan/Melo/Carroll/Russell/Galloway. I just hope Philly REALLY loves Mudiay. If Calderon stays and starts then obviously Mudiay is the better option defensively. But Russell has a higher BBall IQ so i’m really leaning towards him now. This college season, I thought he was a little overrated until I really started paying attention. He seems to make the right play more often than not. And from what I hear- he’s gained 15 lbs so he’s now up to 193 so he can handle the 2 guard spot. Melo really needs 2 guys in the backcourt to handle the ball and who can shoot a decent percentage. I’m still a Mudiay fan..but Russell’s definitely the better fit here. I won’t be mad if Philly drafts Russell because I think Mudiay is gonna be a helluva player. But I wanna see my favored lineup come to fruition. I think it’s a really good starting 5. And then Phil can bring Ledo back to develop, Shved, Lance Thomas and Admunson. The key to my scenario is can phil trade TH2 and Larkin to get a chance to draft Bobby Portis. We’re gonna need to groom a 4 behind Melo. Question is…how much will it take to land DeAndre Jordan and DeMarre Carroll?

    5. DeAndre Jordan: full max, starting at 18.8 million dollars.
      DeMarre Carroll: something between 8 and 10 million dollars, I guess. So, it could be done.

    6. The key to my scenario is can phil trade TH2 and Larkin to get a chance to draft Bobby Portis.

      We can’t trade Larkin, because we renounced his rights. But we can try to trade away THJ, knowing full well that the best we can get for him is a couple second rounders (to be fair, I would do that trade in a second).

    7. I really like Bobby Portis..but Phil would hafta get somewhere between 10-15 to draft him. And since Larkin’s rights have been renounced we don’t have the assets to get him- unless TH2 and a trade exception is enough..plus maybe a future pick. Phil’s got his work cut out for him either way. I’m not a big fan of signing one big name FA unless he’s a franchise changer..and there are none on the market until ’16. Phil can maybe make OKC choose between Durant and Westbrook by offering TH2 and the #4 and probably a future 1st if he wants to bank on one big name. I don’t think he should. I really believe that the best way to build around Melo is to snatch Jordan and Carroll and cross your fingers on DeAngelo Russell bein there at 4. Maybe Melo can waive his no trade and we can send him and TH2 with the #4 to Chicago for Gibson/Butler/McBuckets/27th pick. That would be good as well. Phil has got to start showing up and getting his hands dirty..not now but right now..before all of his options are gone. He has to be proactive at this point. Patience is definitely not a virtue at the moment. Phil’s a bright guy so I don’t expect a knee jerk reaction. I think he can be proactive without messing it up.

    8. Had the Knicks finished with the worst record, it turns out they would have won the lottery.

      This is a very simplistic misunderstanding of how probability works. When you change an event, say those two games, every single event related to that has a completely new set of results. So it’s not like if we had the worst record we would have won the lottery. Those two events are not independent ones.

    9. Had the Knicks finished with the worst record, it turns out they would have won the lottery.

      And if the knicks had won 5 more games they would have then 2nd pick. Damn Phil Jackson that didnt try to win more games!

    10. I know I sound ridiculous, but I think you guys are taking a too statistical approach to probability.

      Let’s pretend all of the T-wolves balls said “#1” on them, for the #1 worst team. In insolation, all other things being equal, in a universe where the the balls all bounced the same way, the Knicks would have had the first pick.

      Now, you guys are correct in that the butterfly affect may have changed the balls. Maybe with the worst odds, Charles Oakley is selected as our representative, and he shakes the hand of the person putting the balls in, and that causes the balls to shift slightly or the person to let them blow around for another few seconds.

      So yes, there is an infinite number of things that created the twolves getting the pick. But the general point remains. The pick went to the worst team. And the Knicks basically chose to not be the worst team. So let’s not thumb our noses at articles that suggest the Knicks blew a golden ticket for the #1 pick. An article about Oakley shaking hands with the ball person might be more statistically accurate (you could even write out physics equations explaining ball trajectory) but it would “miss the point” more.

    11. I know I sound ridiculous, but I think you guys are taking a too statistical approach to probability.

      I confirm, that’s ridiculous, sorry ;-). Probability is purely statistics. This example is a perfect random event with no correlations to anything else. Blame Jackson however you like because the knicks had a .387 of possibilities of landing a top 2 pick instead of a .465. But blaming him for the exact way the ball bounced is pointless. Should we have won 5 more games to get the 2nd pick?

    12. “Let’s pretend all of the T-wolves balls said “#1? on them, for the #1 worst team. In insolation, all other things being equal, in a universe where the the balls all bounced the same way, the Knicks would have had the first pick.”
      But it doesn’t work that way. A more apt simplistic hypothetical would be to say that the T-Wolves got 25 balls (#1-25) and the Knicks got 19 balls (#26-44). If the Knicks had the worst record, the Knicks would have had 6 of the balls that went to the T-Wolves (say #20-25). There is no way of knowing whether the #1 pick was because of balls #1-19 (in which case the T-Wolves would have gotten the fist pick no matter what) or whether it was because of balls 20-25 (in which case the Knicks shot themselves in the foot by not tanking harder).

    13. It’s over. We got the 4th pick. Woulda, coulda, shoulda, all of that is simply an exercise in futility. I agree that if you’re tanking, then tank. But, here we are. Where do we go from here? I feel like that chump in Goonies. “Up there, it’s their time.” “It’s their time, up there.” “Down here, it’s our time.” “It’s our time, down here.”

      Rusillo gave a nice assessment of the Knicks situation on SVP & Rusillo. Check the podcast or whatever the kids are doing.

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