Knicks Morning News (2015.05.19)

  • [New York Post] The Knicks’ monumental, direction-deciding day is here (Tue, 19 May 2015 00:01:15 -0400)

    Thirty years ago, Adam Silver was a 23-year-old Knicks fan working for a congressman in the nation's capital. He was thrilled his beloved team had captured the NBA's first-ever lottery…

  • [New York Daily News] Raissman: Draft lottery won’t be same without Phil Jackson (Tue, 19 May 2015 01:35:44 GMT)

    Silent Steve Mills? Really? Nothing at all against the Knickerbockers’ general manager.

  • [New York Daily News] Knick future riding on a Ping-Pall ball and a dream (Tue, 19 May 2015 01:11:06 GMT)

    Everyone knows that you are more likely to be eaten by a shark or get struck by lightning multiple times than to win the actual lottery.

  • [New York Times] Pelicans Invite China’s He to Summer League (Tue, 19 May 2015 08:00:46 GMT)

    The New Orleans Pelicans have invited Chinese forward He Tianju to attend the NBA Summer League in July with an eye on drafting him.

  • [New York Times] Rockets Depth Proves Important in Playoffs (Tue, 19 May 2015 06:39:45 GMT)

    James Harden and Dwight Howard are undeniably Houston’s most important players.

  • [New York Times] Warriors’ Steve Kerr and Stephen Curry Share a Bond Beyond the Arc (Tue, 19 May 2015 00:46:55 GMT)

    Kerr, the most accurate 3-point shooter in N.B.A. history and the Warriors’ coach, has formed a perfect pairing with Curry, the most accurate among active players.

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    51 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2015.05.19)”

    1. The most agonizing moment of the night will be when Silver announces: “With the 5th pick in the NBA Draft….” Once we get past that one, I’ll be able to breathe a little.

    2. I just have a feeling Phil would rather NOT have the top 1/2 picks, because he likes Russel, Muiday or even Winslow better. Not sure I would disagree with that sentiment.

    3. I really like Winslow, but man I want one of those big guys. Everybody remembered to wear their lucky Knicks underwear today, right?

    4. The most agonizing moment of the night will be when Silver announces: “With the 5th pick in the NBA Draft….” Once we get past that one, I’ll be able to breathe a little.

      Yes, exactly! Then it becomes more and more exciting with each pick announced not being the Knicks. Then after the lotto, we can stop worrying about our draft position and start worrying about the front office doing something incredibly stupid with that pick.

    5. I’m gonna put on my Tyson Chandler shirt that I was rockin for every game in 12′-13′. Hope no one negates this by putting on a Fat Felton shirt lol

      If we manage to pull off two picks, mine would be any combo of Justise-Kaminsy-Russell (depending on where we are picking of course).

    6. Funny thing is I think Philly n minny would pick Okafor

      Philly can’t draft ANOTHER big, can they? If they get the 1 or 2 pick, I would think that it would be available. They might get a pretty good haul for it, too, with Okafor and/or Towns available.

    7. @Kevin. Shit I forgot about embiid. Then them getting number 1 is a worst case scenario. Them getting 1 and 4 would be horrible too

    8. Philly still has a chance (though pretty small) of getting the Lakers’ (if they fall out of the top 5) and Miami’s (top 10 protected) picks, too. Could you imagine them getting the 1st pick, the 6th and the 11th? And then flip the 1st for even more? Damn pick horders…

    9. I think Okafor’s most likely ceiling is Al Jefferson. That is a useful player, but not a transcendent talent.

    10. I think Okafor, at 19 years old, is already more offensively skilled than Al Jefferson. Big Al is a weird dude. He takes the shots you would want your center to, around 65% of his shots are within 10 feet of the rim, he just sucks at making them.

    11. Anyone see the video of okafor no-beer pong? Looks like he’d pick NY over Philly, he was delibrately shooting on Philly’s cup to knock them out. Lol.

      Also, pre draft ok4 looks very lean.

    12. Yeah I definitely don’t see Jefferson as Okafor’s ceiling. They’re somewhat comparable players, but I don’t see any reason to think it’s impossible that Okafor ends up better in basically every aspect of the game. In general I think putting ceilings on 19 year-olds is a tricky business.

    13. I will be wearing my Patrick Ewing throwback jersey as we await our ping pong ball-derived fate, but my fear is that the “bball gods” are fed up with Phil Jackson’s stupid Twitter account and we’re getting the #5 pick because Knicks. Assuming the top 5 players selected are Towns, Okafor, Mudiay, Russell and Winslow, we should be getting an interesting prospect no matter what.

    14. I love Winslow but he is being over-valued based on Duke’s NCAA tournament run. A bit of the Shabazz Napier effect. He was very ordinary for much of the regular season and although his numbers from 3 were respectable he was terrible on long 2’s. I think he is clearly no better than the 5th best prospect in the draft.

    15. ” I love Winslow but he is being over-valued based on Duke’s NCAA tournament run. A bit of the Shabazz Napier effect. He was very ordinary for much of the regular season and although his numbers from 3 were respectable he was terrible on long 2’s. I think he is clearly no better than the 5th best prospect in the draft.”

      Thats all fine and good. But he already has all of the defensive tools ala Kawhi leonard. And he has a fluid offensive game like Paul George/leonard

    16. Question Towns/Ok4 at number 1 or trade back with Minny if you could get Russell and Dieng?

    17. I came up with the anti-tanking draft solution a few weeks ago. Teams that make the playoffs pick where they pick. Teams that don’t (lottery) get ping-pong balls in reverse order. The team with the BEST record gets the most balls. This is incentive to WIN not lose.

    18. Except that would defeat the whole purpose of the lottery, i.e. help the worst teams get back to a competitive level more quickly. You might as well just get rid of the lottery and give all teams an equal number of ping pong balls (or give non-playoff teams a greater but equal number).

    19. Yeah I don’t think that would work either if I am understanding you correctly as you would still have tanking occurring with fringe playoff teams as what would be better getting destroyed by Golden State or Cleveland or getting the a chance at Towns, Okafor, etc..

      I would like to see a single elimination tournament for all non playoff teams with the winner getting the best odds or maybe just the top pick and go in descending order from your finishing place in the tournament, perhaps using point differential from the game as your next qualifier. You could also have this tournament start before the beginning of the playoffs giving playoff teams a rest so sitting guys in March and throughout the season would be somewhat discouraged as well.

    20. Right. Sending the #1 pick to OKC obviously has some issues. It also doesn’t get rid of tanking, just changes which teams are doing it I guarantee you that many teams sitting in the 8th seed would be trying desperately to tank their way out of the playoffs in order to get the #1 pick rather than stay in just to get swept.

      If you’re willing to accept a solution that doesn’t funnel the best draftees to the worst teams then I think the best solution would be some variation of the wheel plan that Zach Lowe has written a bunch of stuff about.

    21. This is El Hassin’s main point in that article:

      “Turn draft season into a rookie free-agency period: Each team will have a rookie salary exception at its disposal. Teams would be free to negotiate with any incoming rookie player during this period, and can choose whether to use their entire exception on one player, or divide it among several players (as long as they each draw at least league minimum salary).”

      And the amount of money available for the worst teams will be higher. It will let the player still decide based on location factors, money and organization who to sign with.

    22. That would be good for teams who play in desirable locations. I’d say we would probably be acquiring Towns this off season without a doubt but would squads like Minnesota or Milwaukee, etc. go for that idea as you would have to imagine they would repeatedly get rejected by top prospect players. However I also wouldn’t mind relegating those teams either

      The more I think about it though the only downside to the single elimination tournament is that bad basketball would be further on display. Perhaps the higher stakes might elevate the game making them still interesting? I don’t know. But if your record in the regular season determined your seeding there would be no reason to ever lose a game intentionally.

    23. @29 true, this year you have NYC, LA and Miami. Those teams will always have an advantage if they are bad. But they cant be bad forever. So in a scenario where those three teams are playoff teams, will a prospect sacrifce money AND probably playing time just to be in those locales? It would be a tough decision and i know the agents and families will always push for more money. I think that this is the best idea that ive seen so far.

    24. I don’t have insider, but is there a reason you need to have some complicated “rookie exception system” rather than just letting teams spend their cap room on rookies like they were regular free agents? It doesn’t necessarily give you the property of worst teams get the most to spend, but rebuilding (i.e. bad) teams do tend to have the most cap space. I guess the reason would be that it allows you to continue artificially deflating rookie salaries (without which obviously no plan has any chance of being accepted by the owners)?

    25. “I don’t have insider, but is there a reason you need to have some complicated “rookie exception system” rather than just letting teams spend their cap room on rookies like they were regular free agents?”

      He is just using the rookie scale that is already in place once the lottery has been completed. So instead of a lottery and a draft he is assigning the dollar value available for rookies by record, which is basically the same as the draft order.

    26. @29 heres what he said:

      “Will there be players who’ll rather play for Miami for $2.2 million than in Detroit for $2.5 million? Of course, but the idea is that as a team like Miami signs better talent, it’ll improve and eventually get smaller exceptions. In other words, while forgoing $300,000 in exchange for a more scenic location is an easy decision, you’ll see very few, if any, prospects make that same switch from, say, the Detroit Pistons to the Los Angeles Clippers, who could only offer about $800,000 versus the Pistons’ $2.5 million. Remember: Most draftees have never seen a dime of professional pay. In most cases, the need to secure their financial future will outweigh the need to live by the beach”

    27. I dont think this is an anti tanking solution, its more of an anti draft solution with anti tank benefits. It will help tanking because the prospect is choosing the team, not the other way around. So if you tank and have the most money, it doesnt guarantee you the top players. There could be better fits down the line. For instance a second generation NBA player who is the number one prospect like Shaq’s son (who looks like a beast btw) could sign with the Warriors for like 700k. It doesnt prevent tanking but i think it creates far less of an insentive. It makes owners and GMs work to build a good culture and foundation and maybe flounder around mediocrity and sign a rookie to take them over the top.

    28. OK, but in that system, how would it be possible for the Knicks to sacrifice their future for a guy like Bargnani? You have to think of that.

    29. “this year you have NYC, LA and Miami. Those teams will always have an advantage if they are bad. But they cant be bad forever.”
      You haven’t watched much Knicks basketball for the last 15 years, have you…

    30. Right but wouldn’t tanking still be a method that enables you to have a higher exception? Using the numbers from the example if it went worst record starts at $2.5, $2.2, $2.0,..$800,000, 780,00 and so forth wouldn’t it still be worth it to tank in order to put yourself in a position to offer the most coin? I would also think another aspect is the negative PR hits that teams might take when prospects frequently turn down their squad to go to other teams for less money which I honestly think would happen a lot. Shoe companies usually offer more and better deals to players in larger markets. Would Shumpert really have gotten a deal with Addidas if he played for the Raptors? I also believe Tobias Harris has a deal where if he gets to a large market he immediately gets more money from presumably one of his sponsors. In addition to players generally wanting to play in bigger markets such as NY, LA, Miami and the effects of marketing and other financial opportunities that would make up that difference in salary, I think players also have a desire to want to play in their hometowns. I don’t necessarily care to look up the numbers right now but I would hypothesize a large percentage of the league comes from NYC, Chi, LA which would give those markets another advantage.

    31. OK, but in that system, how would it be possible for the Knicks to sacrifice their future for a guy like Bargnani? You have to think of that.

      I would think that in this hypothetical world it would still be possible to trade portions of your rookie exception. Instead of trading a 2015 first round pick for a useless player, you could trade say 75% of your 2015 rookie exception pool for a useless player. So the Knicks would still be able to operate in their comfort zone.

    32. @37

      Hey now we would be prevented from setting ourselves back 5 years in every trade!

    33. @38 in 2015 it would go from 5.78m -780k. Yeah like i said its not really anti tanking but it could have that effect depending on the prospects in question. I really dont think these guys will leave millions on the table for a location. Like the example i sited above, you arent going to play in LA for 800k when you can play for Detroit for 2.5 mil. If you are good, you will get indorsements. In this system the teams get turned down by the big name prospects could get more than one player for this exception. So in theory if no one wants to go to Minny, they could load up on 5.7 million worth of prospects, maybe Dekker and Kaminsky.

    34. Guys guys guys

      Tonight the Knicks might actually WIN SOMETHING!

      It probably won’t happen but still.

    35. If you have tiers based on worst record, that would help discourage active tanking since there is no benefit to being the worst team. Something like:

      #30-28 = $5 mil
      #27-25 = $4.5
      #24-22 = $4.0
      #21-19 = $3.5
      #18-16 = $3.0
      #15-13 = $2.5
      #12-10 = $2.0
      #9-7 = $1.5
      #6-4 = $1.0
      #3-1 = $500,000

      Also, I think you should be able to trade your allowance, just as you can trade your regular cap space.

      Finally, I like the idea of teams being able to retain their hometown players, so maybe there should maybe be an additional exception for teams to go over their cap by a reasonable amount (so Cleveland can compete for the LeBrons and Milwaukee the Glen Robinsons, etc).

      (ps– Akron would be a freakin’ juggernaut, since both LeBron and Steph Curry are from there)

    36. dear basketball gods,

      if you give us towns i promise we won’t let uncle jimmy play with him too much. we know he makes you real mad every day.

      love,

      the knickerbloggers

    37. Minor thing, but I see Indy beat Utah in the coin toss for the #11 pick (if everything goes to plan, they’ll pick #11 and the Jazz #12). They split the chances for the top picks, but because their chances were an odd number, the Pacers actually end up with better odds (we’re talking about 8 chances in 1,000 versus 7 chances in 1,000, but still!).

    38. it’ll all be ok as long as we stay in the top 4…. #5 is going to be really bad this year…

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