Knicks Morning News (2015.05.16)

  • [New York Daily News] Phil Jackson ‘not happy’ about Isiah Thomas’ Garden return (Sat, 16 May 2015 03:54:08 GMT)

    James Dolan’s decision to bring Isiah Thomas back to Madison Square Garden does not sit well with Dolan’s highest paid basketball executive.

  • [New York Daily News] Justise is served in meeting with Knicks prez Phil Jackson (Sat, 16 May 2015 01:51:54 GMT)

    Phil Jackson and other Knicks officials have met with many of the top players taking part in workouts and drills at Quest Sports Complex.

  • [New York Times] Warriors Earn Some Rest Before 1st Western Final Since 1976 (Sat, 16 May 2015 06:52:37 GMT)

    MVP Stephen Curry and the Golden State Warriors are shooting the ball outside the arc even better than they did during the regular season.

  • [New York Times] In 1st Conference Final, Atlanta Hawks to Face LeBron’s Cavs (Sat, 16 May 2015 06:34:38 GMT)

    As far as Jeff Teague and the rest of the Atlanta Hawks are concerned, bring on LeBron.

  • [New York Times] Warriors Advance to Western Final, Beating Memphis 108-95 (Sat, 16 May 2015 05:37:35 GMT)

    MVP Stephen Curry scored 21 of his 33 points by halftime, and the Golden State Warriors snapped their two-game skid Monday night by routing the Memphis Grizzlies 101-84 to tie their Western Conference semifinal at 2-2.

  • [New York Times] Warriors 108, Grizzlies 95 | Golden State Wins Series, 4-2: Stephen Curry Puts on Show and Warriors Pull Curtain on Grizzlies’ Season (Sat, 16 May 2015 05:08:24 GMT)

    Curry’s 62-footer at the third-quarter buzzer effectively neutralized Memphis as Golden State closed out their Western Conference semifinal series in six games.

  • [New York Times] Warriors Advance to West Final (Sat, 16 May 2015 05:01:33 GMT)

    In less than three minutes, the Golden State Warriors went from nearly allowing the Memphis Grizzlies to erase a 15-point deficit to cruising to a 108-95 series-clinching victory in GameSix of the Western Conference semi-finals on Friday.

  • [New York Times] Warriors Advance to Western Final, Beating Memphis 108-95 (Sat, 16 May 2015 04:10:54 GMT)

    Stephen Curry scored 32 points, including a 62-footer to end the third quarter, and the Golden State Warriors advanced to their first Western Conference finals since 1976 by beating the Memphis Grizzlies 108-95 on Friday night.

  • [New York Times] Pierce’s Shot Too Late, Hawks Hold On to Beat Wizards 94-91 (Sat, 16 May 2015 03:43:42 GMT)

    Avoiding overtime in Game 6 when Paul Pierce’s potential tying 3-pointer was released after the clock expired, the Atlanta Hawks made it to the Eastern Conference finals for the first time by beating the Washington Wizards 94-91 on Friday night.

  • [New York Times] Haws 94, Wizards 91: Hawks Escape Wizards at Buzzer to Move Into Eastern Finals (Sat, 16 May 2015 03:27:12 GMT)

    Atlanta narrowly avoided overtime when Washington’s Paul Pierce was late in releasing a 3-point attempt that would have tied the game as the clock expired.

  • [New York Times] Hawks Eliminate Wizards With Game Six Win (Sat, 16 May 2015 02:43:30 GMT)

    The Atlanta Hawks survived a frantic finish to eliminate the Washington Wizards with a 94-91 win in Game Six of their Eastern Conference semi-final playoff series on Friday.

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    68 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2015.05.16)”

    1. Man I love the JR Smith “One Man’s Trash is Another Man’s Treasure” pic from the last thread.

      While I certainly won’t miss JR, I think giving up on Shump and getting practically nothing in return was a mistake. He’s only 24, and there is real talent and room for growth there still.

      So many ex-Knicks playing key roles in the playoffs: Shump, JR, Mozgov, Matt Barnes, Jamal Crawford, Ariza, Prigs, Brewer, D Lee, Z-Bo, Udrih… hell, put those 11 guys around Melo and you might even have something resembling a pro basketball team.

      Far too much tendency to give up on guys without bringing back assets. At this point, it’s definitely my biggest criticism of the Jackson era: losing guys like Chandler and Shump without maximizing their returns. Hopefully we can find a way to ditch Melo and get actual NBA players in return. I hear Chicago is looking to shake things up…

    2. While I certainly won’t miss JR, I think giving up on Shump and getting practically nothing in return was a mistake. He’s only 24, and there is real talent and room for growth there still.

      Sigh this is true. The contract would have been an issues.

    3. He may still have potential, but how many 10 hot games streak followed by 30 totally forgettable ones do we need until realize that he’s just nothing special?

      I’m fine with him attached to a rookie contract, but I would stay clear for the type of contract he will be demanding this summer.

    4. He may still have potential, but how many 10 hot games streak followed by 30 totally forgettable ones do we need until realize that he’s just nothing special?

      I’m fine with him attached to a rookie contract, but I would stay clear for the type of contract he will be demanding this summer.

      Remember the Alamo! And also the the 10 games preceding and after that wonderfully fleeting Texas trip

    5. I was the biggest fan of Shump on this board, and I was sorry to see him go, but there is no getting around that he underachieved and would be risky at anything over $5-6 mill a year. He’ll get more than that in FA, so good luck to him.

      JR needs a LeBron to keep him in check. Doubt he would work out with any other team. Still not sure he doesn’t melt down and cost the Cavs a title. But for now, good for him.

    6. Future stud or total bust. I honestly don’t know which, hence him being EEG.

    7. Yeah, my buddies still give me grief for touting Shawn Bradley; this guy does remind me of him! That said, he’s played well as a boy in a man’s league.

    8. Re: Kristaps Porzingis – It looks like he can play above the rim and has a jumper. I did not see one defensive play in the video. It looks like he needs to develop upper body strength to play under the rim in the NBA. He crashed the boards and had lots of put-backs in the video but I didn’t see him win a rebound off a box out. If we go big man, I want someone that owns the paint.

    9. Knicks working out Cauley-Stein today. Knicks had someone at 25+ Kentucky practices. Is it possible that they were there to see him and not Towns?

    10. If they draft WCS at #2… ugh, kill me now. I want him to be a Knick, but not via traditional Knick idiocy.

    11. Since for the first time in forever this actually means something to Knick fans, here’s a description of the exact protocol for what is going to happen on Tuesday:

      http://www.nba.com/2015/news/05/16/nba-draft-lottery-what-will-happen/

      And since there’s not much to talk about until then, I’ll go ahead and predict the order now, based on nothing except what I know about the Basketball Gods’ personal tastes and preferences:

      14 OKC
      13 PHO
      12 UTA
      11 IND
      10 MIA
      9 CHA
      8 DEN
      7 SAC
      6 ORL
      5 PHI
      4 NYK
      3 DET
      2 MIN
      1 LAL

    12. Z-man
      May 16, 2015 at 8:19 pm
      Meanwhile, anyone like this guy at #4? He seems like a future stud…

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5ACuB0Hm4I

      Wow, not a great video. Most of the video was him dunking the ball in transition, off of alley-oops, or putbacks. He’s not showing a vast array of skills there. And, he looks stiff as hell, like he has no athleticism. The way he runs it looks like it actually hurts him. If we end up dropping all the way to 5 I hope we’re taking long looks at Winslow, Hezonga, and Stanley Johnson instead of this guy.

    13. at the risk of sounding cliche – it really seems like the Clippers are not playing with much energy. maybe they are scared but there is little “desperation”.

    14. Or maybe it’s just that having your top four guys play all out for 40 minutes in back to back seven games is damn draining. Especially when your GM/President is too busy playing nepotism instead of bringing in relief of any kind whatsoever.

      But yea let’s blame it on the will to win instead. That must be it.

    15. Let’s get the facts straight before the Chris Paul WP fans start blaming Doc Rivers. The Clippers had an 18 point lead in the 2nd half of game 6 and lost to Corey Brewer, Jason Terry, Trevor Ariza, JOSH SMITH and Dwight Howard.

      Paul choked that game away. There is no arguing that.

      So yeah they may have too thin a bench to play Game 7 2x but they never should have been here today. And that’s on Paul.

    16. Paul choked that game away. There is no arguing that.

      He had 31 points on 19 shots, 11 assists, 7 rebounds, and 2 turnovers. I wish Melo “choked away” games like that!

    17. Paul choked that game away?

      Interesting. I see that Rivers, Redick and Crawford played 84 minutes and scored 22 points on 35 possessions used. Definitely Chris Paul’s fault.

      We can talk all we want about the narrative of Chris Paul not willing a team to victory, but since he had .688 TS% on 22 USG% and only had 2 turnovers, I’m going to go ahead and say the blame isn’t squarely on his shoulders…

    18. If the argument is player x can’t win because he scored 30 points not 40, then you are missing the forest for the tree

    19. You have an 18 point lead. You have what THCJ calls the best point guard in history other than Magic and Stockton. You have WP all stars Jordan and Griffin and Reddick. Why isn’t it ok to question the psyche of the team’s best player? And now I’m being serious (I admittedly was quasi trolling in my prior post.) The NBA is littered with the likes of players who willed their teams to victory in huge games. Lebron, Michael, Magic, Bird. Shit even Patrick Ewing made a game winning play to get his team to the Finals. National media looking for a story bullshit aside now. Is there not a legit reason to question Chris Paul as a playoff great at this point? Isn’t Isiah a better player than Paul historically for example because playoffs?

    20. DRed, it’s not that player X can’t win bc he scored 30 not 40. It’s player X can’t win because he as the best player continuously loses his biggest games. As I said in prior post. Basketball is a game that can and has been won by individual performances. Paul hasn’t performed at that level in his team’s biggest games. Not because points but because they lose.

    21. Sittin here watchin game 7 of the Houston/LAC series has me thinkin…
      What are the chances Melo becomes a better defender with an improved roster ala Harden? Well..Harden’s not really a BETTER defender, he just gives more effort. He always had the ability to play better defense..much like Melo. But maybe..just maybe..if Phil can get someone to ease the scoring burden and add shooters and defenders, Melo just might become the player we hope he can be. Maybe it’s a dream, but I looked at how Houston improved their roster without needing to add a big time player to Harden. They improved with better fits. They got better effort from Howard, started Jones, added Ariza (who brings the same things Parsons does but with more defense), got rid of Lin (who needs the ball to be successful), and then later in the season they got Prigs. Simply put- they changed the atmosphere without moving mountains. Meanwhile, most of us Knick fans expect Phil to move mountains to make the team competitive. He may not have to though. In Melo, he does have a certified bucket machine. Melo has flashed the ability to pass well, and we all know he can go inside -out on offense and rebound. So..working with that- do we really need another “big time” player, or better fits around Melo? I’m not sayin Melo is AI..but that formula worked in Philly. Unstoppable scorer with defenders around him. Let’s look at what we do have. Cole, TH2 (tradeable asset for another 1st rounder if Phil feels so inclined to do so), Shved (possible reason why Phil can move TH2), Ledo (developmental SG who can also make TH2 expendable), Galloway, Calderon, Early, and Lance Thomas. Those are all guys I think the team should keep. Then..

    22. Lebron and Jordan didn’t win shit until they had good teams around them. CP3 isn’t at that level, but come on, look at that fucking bench. You put 3 slightly below average guys on that clips team, have CP3 play the exact same game and the narrative is completely different

    23. And let’s add another point. This Rockets team is as thin as the Clips or darn close. This isn’t losing to a really good team.

    24. Fuck the stats. That team shit the bed in game 6. Blake looked like the pussy that everyone in the league thinks he is in that game and CP3 was only marginally better. I don’t care what the stats say, I watched that whole game. Even in this game the team didn’t play desperate. Or even a smart clean game

    25. @DREd forget the bench. Look at the starting lineup. They have 3 max players and a lethal jump shooter in reddick. Houston’s roster is not as good.

      Remember they have 2 starters out for the playoffs and harden hasn’t even played that well.

    26. http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/199606160CHI.html

      Games like this aren’t “best player wills his team to win.” It’s “best player’s team wins because teammates played just well enough to spin the narrative to his favor.”

      You lose a series by 1 point, you’re a dud. You win a series by 1 point, it doesn’t matter whether you missed 75% of your shots. This is so fallacious it’s not worth responding to, but here I am.

    27. I had a whole nice scenario typed up and then my interned crapped out and lst it..but it had something to do with goin hard after DeAndre Jordan and DeMarre Carroll, moving Melo to the 4, and trading TH2 and Larkin to get into the mid to late 1st to add Bobby Portis. And then finding a couple shooters on the cheap. Beyond that- there’s not really any great options..unless u consider Aldridge or Monroe and even Gasol great options. But it completely changes the narrative if Melo waives his no trade and Chi-Town offers up a package involving Gibson and Dougie McBuckets..

    28. The CP3 never made a conference finals narrative is gonna need an update

      Oh what could have been if only this wasn’t posted.lol

    29. DRed, sorry, man but I completely disagree with you. Paul had Blake and Deandre and Reddick and Barnes is a good defender and decent 3 or shooter. I’ll say this confidently: Lebron has never had a team this good.

    30. I’d get on board with DeKnicks

      bookmarked for when we trade the #1 for DeMar DeRozan

    31. The NBA is littered with the likes of players who willed their teams to victory in huge games.

      thanks for bringing the conversation back to pablo, where it belongs. but besides him, that is a myth.

      some of the greatest performances in nba playoff history involved elite players finding out the limits of their bad selves (and their bad wills).

      http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/198604200BOS.html
      http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200905200CLE.html
      http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/198705140SEA.html
      http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200105140SAS.html
      http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/199005130PHO.html
      http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/199205030LAC.html
      http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/198805050CLE.html

    32. Non Blake/CP3/Jordan clips were 12/35 today. Who should get blamed?

      You. Duh.

    33. I’d get on board with DeKnicks

      bookmarked for when we trade the #1 for DeMar DeRozan

      Ha! Sad but true..lol

    34. DRed, sorry, man but I completely disagree with you. Paul had Blake and Deandre and Reddick and Barnes is a good defender and decent 3 or shooter. I’ll say this confidently: Lebron has never had a team this good.

      Yeah, Reddick is a good player. Sometimes Jamal is a great player. Austin Rivers is a human being with normal control over his limbs. In Game 6, they were putrid. Like Carmelo-Game-4-against-Celts-in-’13 putrid.

      bookmarked for when we trade the #1 for DeMar DeRozan

      Ujiri’s already on the phone.

    35. The important thing is that we all agree that the Clippers’ collapse is entirely DRed’s fault.

      By the way, regarding THJ as a

      (tradeable asset for another 1st rounder if Phil feels so inclined to do so),

      I don’t believe you’re allowed to trade NBA players for NBDL draft picks.

    36. By the way, regarding THJ as a

      (tradeable asset for another 1st rounder if Phil feels so inclined to do so),

      I don’t believe you’re allowed to trade NBA players for NBDL draft picks.

      LOL..yea TH2 was awful this past season. But he’s got the pedigree..someone in the NBA will bite..hopefully

    37. I forgot in my earlier scenario..if we don’t land a top 2 pick..then Mudiay should be the pick.

    38. Hell..I’d be inclined to draft Mudiay #2..as long as Phil goes after Jordan and Carroll hard. Instant environment change.

    39. Didn’t Hardaway Sr. had some sort of management job in the Pistons last season?

      Come on Phil! Make it happen!

    40. @ 22 – I didnt mean to come off as saying that the Clips dont want it, they just looked a step slow. You’re right and should have made that point. At some time during the season/playoffs the lack of bench was going to rear its ugly head. Clips got it from both sides today, starters lacked energy and the bench was bad save for a few moments by Jamaal. GM Doc needs to go.

    41. Blake just likes to keep his schedule open in June so he can shoot more Kia commercials

    42. Matt Barnes played 22 minutes, didn’t score, but led the team in plus-minus with a mark of +9. Redick, went 4-for-12 overall and 2-for-9 from three. He also had a playoff career-high six turnovers. Crawford was 6-for-18 overall and 3-for-9 from three and checked in at -22. To me, that tells the tale right there.

    43. Didn’t Paul just won the Spurs series for the Clippers?

      Exactly! The performance Paul put up in that series (and especially in game 7) was the definition of “willing his team to victory”. Was the Spurs series any less important than the Rockets series (he needed to win them both, right)? It’s funny how a player can be lauded for performing poorly but putting the game in their hands i.e. shooting lotz of shotz, but can be criticized for performing incredibly well (including usage) but not winning the game because Josh Smith hit 19 threes in the fourth.

    44. Just like with JR Smith, a team that lives by Jamal Crawford will also die by Jamal Crawford. In the long run, the house always wins.

    45. How do you go from passing the buck from cp3 to Jamal Crawford? Blake’s soft performance or deandre being outplayed don get mentioned. Fine if you wanna absolve Paul but he has two max players with him

    46. As for today’s game…I think LAC as a team was just exhausted. They were dragging. Their leader has a bum hamstring to boot. No 1 player lost it. There were a few players who did not play up to their standard. And besides that..I think Houston wanted it more. This postseason is the most engaged that I have seen D12 in some time. And Harden..well..u can’t go wrong picking him, Curry, or LBJ..and maybe Westbrook as the best player in the league. It’s not like Game 7 where Starks shot 2 for 1,000 from 3 point land and it cost the Knicks a chip. LAC had more than one culprit..and they all needed to play better to help their injured leader out. Plain and simple.

    47. In other news..if Kyrie gets healthy..GS-CLE is gonna be one exciting series. They may need to change the rules for that one. Maybe best 6 outta 10? Steph is playing incredible basketball from the PG position. He can get any shot he wants but still as the floor general he is scoring at will while keeping his teammates happy and involved. It is pure joy to watch

    48. My comment had nothing to do with Chris Paul. It had to do with giving 18 shots to a streak shooter. “Instant offense” off the bench is great when it actually happens, but for every game it wins you, you lose a few you probably shouldn’t on the back end. (Starks was that kind of player, but at least he brought defensive intensity as well.)

      I think the 2013 Knicks lived and died by JR Smith in much the same way. Anthony was a constant (like Paul), and if good JR showed up, yay, but if bad JR showed up, things tended to end badly.

      Everybody knew the Clippers depth going in would be an issue. And it was. (The Clips dominated the Rockets for a lot of the series, and it’s strange to see a team with a better lineup be dominant for a huge portion of a series and still manage to lose it).

    49. Willed their team to victory for me is very subjective. We can make a case that every won ballgame, a player willed them to victory? Doesnt make sense.
      Why are we talking about Clippers fault? Maybe the Rockets are that good and made the proper adjustments thats why they won.
      Or maybe all other teams willed themselves to victory over the kNicks last season?

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