Knicks Morning News (2015.05.08)

  • [New York Times] NBA: Most Exclusive Club When It Comes to Winning Titles (Fri, 08 May 2015 06:30:39 GMT)

    The NBA could crown a first-time champion this year.

  • [New York Times] LeBron Leads Cavs Into Chicago, With JR Smith Joining Him (Fri, 08 May 2015 06:15:41 GMT)

    The statue outside is of Michael Jordan. The court inside, come playoff time, has often belonged to LeBron James.

  • [New York Times] Seattle Storm Express Concern After Liberty’s Hiring of Isiah Thomas (Fri, 08 May 2015 04:43:33 GMT)

    Seattle’s owners emphasized a duty to address “sexual harassment, domestic violence and sexual assault, all of which have been inadequately addressed for far too long.”

  • [New York Times] Wizards’ Wall Out Indefinitely (Fri, 08 May 2015 03:43:54 GMT)

    The Washington Wizards were dealt a severe blow to their N.B.A. playoff hopes when the All-Star point guard John Wall injured his left hand and wrist.

  • [New York Times] With Longtime Powers Sidelined, NBA Playoffs Have Fresh Look (Fri, 08 May 2015 02:30:41 GMT)

    Spurs and Celtics? Already eliminated.

  • [New York Times] Ex-Knicks Exec Criticizes Garden for Hiring Thomas (Fri, 08 May 2015 01:54:19 GMT)

    Not everyone is cheering the return of Isiah Thomas to Madison Square Garden.

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    41 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2015.05.08)”

    1. Z-Man posted a hypothetical trade last night that assumed that the Sixers got the #1 pick and the Knicks got 3-5. Let’s flip it — if the Knicks get the #2 pick and the Sixers get #5 and 11, would you trade the #2 pick to the Sixers for #5 and #11? If so, whom would you take with the two picks? I think that I would make the trade and I would take Winslow and Kaminsky.

    2. Interesting that Daryl Morey was discussing team construction last night on TV and said you need 2 great players to win a championship. I always thought the desired standard was 3 all-star or great players unless you had the best player in the game (like Shaq or Jordan teamed with another great player).

      This covers a lot of championships

      Bird – McHale – Parish
      Magic – Kareem – Worthy
      Duncan – Ginobili – Parker
      James – Wade – Bosh
      Bryant – Gasol – Bynum
      Jordan – Pippen- Rodman
      Dirk – Chandler – Kidd
      Garnett – Pierce – Allen

    3. Would you take Embiid and the 5th pick?

      For the #1? Hmmm…probably. I mean, of course, Embiid would have to take an extensive physical, but otherwise, yes. I think Embiid is up there with Towns if he’s healthy. That’s a huge if, of course.

    4. Interesting that Daryl Morey was discussing team construction last night on TV and said you need 2 great players to win a championship. I always thought the desired standard was 3 all-star or great players unless you had the best player in the game (like Shaq or Jordan teamed with another great player).

      Well “great” is a pretty elastic term. Some of your trios I think you could make the case that the third best guy was more good than great. And obviously it depends on the strength of the rest of your team. But still I tend to lean towards what you’re saying. Even with a strong supporting cast I think three all-star caliber guys is pretty much required.

    5. If we took the #5 and #11 id probably pick winslow/wcs and then stanley johnson if he were there and we picked wcs and if he weren’t then Kevon Looney or trey lyles or something– if we picked winslow id pick myles turner. Would I make that trade for the #2? Probably.

    6. I’m polishing up my 35,000 word column on why everyone should learn to root for the underdog Yankees this season like the Russians learned to root for Rocky.

    7. I think the most (and perhaps only) sure-fire all-star in this draft is Towns. I think a healthy Embiid is a sure-fire all star. I hate rooting for absolutely terrible free-throw shooters, so Okafor is expendable. Russell is crazy streaky and not especially athletic or a true PG…I see a slower Jamal Crawford. Winslow is intriguing, but reminds me too much of a Stacey Augmon-level prospect to merit a #5 pick (Augmon was good but not great.)

      So for anyone other than Towns, I would probably trade down if I could get 2 top-15 picks. I feel pretty sure that the 2nd and 3rd best players in this draft might be drafted anywhere in the top-20, so getting 2 for 1 would make sense.

      I also think that getting Embiid and anyone in the top 10 would be hard to turn down, even for Towns. I think when all is said and done, Embiid is going to be better than Towns, and possibly a lot better, i.e. an all-time great in the Ewing-caliber mold. The #5-10 pick would be insurance against his foot blowing out.

    8. I think when all is said and done, Embiid is going to be better than Towns, and possibly a lot better, i.e. an all-time great in the Ewing-caliber mold.

      I agree that Embiid is better than anyone in this draft, in a vacuum. I just don’t know about him outside that vacuum, because his health issues are significant.

    9. Not surprised at all about Simmons. He’ll have plenty of people vying for his services….

    10. Dolan should hire Simmons to fuck with the Celtics. Perhaps the basketball gods would be appeased.

    11. Yeah, it is not so much Simmons I worry about, as he’ll be fine, but Grantland. It was basically a vanity project, but a vanity project that produced a lot of amazing talent from some outstanding writers, particularly when it came to NBA writing. Zach Lowe, Jared Concepcion, Jonathan Abrams, Jared Dubin, holy crap!

    12. Yeah, ESPNs president said that Simmons departure won’t affect Grantland but I find that hard to believe–it seems like Simmons had a pretty laissez-faire editorial policy that let his writers spread their wings in a way that was good for the site. I kind of doubt the next EIC is gonna be like that but we can only hope.

    13. There’s at least a chance that Simmons is basically the last superstar sports writer ever right? I think the way the media landscape is shifting is much more towards specialized kinds of work, and I can’t see someone who was just a football writer or just a basketball writer ever gaining the kind of mainstream recognition that Simmons has been able too achieve.

    14. Yeah, there’s a very decent chance of that being the case. But I think we still see the occasional sportswriter turned radio host turned TV personality, so I think it can still happen.

    15. What was the reason for his firing? I don’t really follow him all that much.

    16. He wasn’t “fired” exactly. His contract is up in September, and this is more of a premature breaking off of contract negotiations. So far we’re really only getting ESPN’s spin since Simmons’ side has been basically silent as far as what I’ve seen. Both sides were clearly still pissed about the Goodell incident that led to his last suspension. Then supposedly he made some comments yesterday on the Dan Patrick show (which ESPN people aren’t supposed to go on without explicit permission, which, I mean, how petty is that?) ripping into Goodell again that some people are reporting was kind of a last straw. Anyway it seems to me, (and again we haven’t started to hear Simmons’ side yet) that ESPN basiically decided he wasn’t worth the trouble.

      And I sort of think they’re probably right. Simmons drives a ton of traffic, but you’re paying him heavily for that, and he’s not exactly writing a ton these days. Grantland is still pretty assuredly a money losing venture, so while ESPN will probably try to keep it together, I doubt they’ll be too broken up if Simmons manages to take a lot of the talent with him. Wherever he goes he’ll bring a lot of loyal readers, and probably siphon some talented people from ESPN, but does he really poise a threat to them? I sort of doubt it.

    17. Superstar?

      I don’t think many non-sports fans know who Bill Simmons is, but I could be wrong.

      Still, is he really in the same class as Plimpton, Mailer, DeFord, and Hemmingway?

    18. He may not be as big as some of the stars of old (goes to my point about the ongoing fragmentation of the media market) but yeah, I think he qualifies as a superstar. Go to SI.com and a story about his firing is the top story in the sidebar. A column about is placed front and center. My NYTimes app had a breaking news alert this morning when the news leaked. To me that qualifies.

    19. The problem for Simmons and ESPN is the things Bill is successful at (writing, editing, podcasting) are not big money makers. Bill is terrible at TV. His basketball show is corny, and while hes fine in the halftime studio, you could replace him with me and you wouldnt lose a single viewer. So it sounds like it reached the point where he isn’t worth what he wants to get paid.

    20. Shumpert should get Jimmy Butler’s haircut and hope a GM gets confused this offseaon

    21. if you are John Paxon do you try to trade Noah this summer? He will be 31 next year and his contract will be up. Do you try to get something for him now thinking that he will continue to regress as he fights through injuries while getting older?

    22. Shumpert should get Jimmy Butler’s haircut and hope a GM gets confused this offseaon

      Or hope that one of the commentators who considers him a “lockdown perimeter defender” gets a GM job.

    23. The problem with trading Noah now is that he probably has killed all his trade value.

    24. It’s hard be losing when you have 15 offensive rebounds in the 3rd quarter.

    25. I guess it’s also hard to have more offensive rebounds than points in the 3rd quarter, which sort of sums up what Noah is right now.

    26. Great finish, but that was a brutally ugly basketball game. 2 guys hit over 50% of their shots.

    27. Yes you to can put up buckets when defended by James Harden.

      Austin Rivers with 25 points on 13 shots. Either Rivers is actually a legitimately good NBA player, or more likely the media’s narrative that Harden is a vastly improved defensive player is a load of bull. Though, to Rivers’ credit, he wasn’t guarded by Harden for all of it.

    28. Well, my son now thinks Austin Rivers is the greatest basketball player he’s ever seen… Hard to explain “sample size” and “regression to the mean” to a 12 year old, but here goes…

    29. Austin Rivers with 25 points on 13 shots. Either Rivers is actually a legitimately good NBA player, or more likely the media’s narrative that Harden is a vastly improved defensive player is a load of bull. Though, to Rivers’ credit, he wasn’t guarded by Harden for all of it.

      Or the narrative that a guy with a career .467 TS% is a legitimately good player because he scored some efficient points in one playoff game … it’s not a good narrative.

    30. Or the narrative that a guy with a career .467 TS% is a legitimately good player because he scored some efficient points in one playoff game … it’s not a good narrative.

      To be fair, he has been a nice bench player for 10 games of the playoffs. And if you take also the last 2 months of the season, he has also been better.

      Shooting is an area where players improve. It is also very volatile and he could very well regress. I don’t think it is fair to pick on young players for bad efficiency (Rivers, MCW, Klay Thompson), as long as they are producing somewhere else in the box score, because they can start to shoot better, or pick more wisely his spots.

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