Knicks Morning News (2015.02.21)

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks embarrassed by shorthanded Heat, 111-87 (Sat, 21 Feb 2015 06:45:21 GMT)

    During the morning shootaround on Friday, Heat Coach Erik Spoelstra spoke about what makes Miami such an appealing destination to players.

  • [New York Times] 38-Point Loss Drops Wiz to 1-8 Against Some of East’s Best (Sat, 21 Feb 2015 09:12:29 GMT)

    Randy Wittman’s patience was understandably in short supply.

  • [New York Times] Curry, Thompson Lead Well-Rested Warriors Past Spurs, 110-99 (Sat, 21 Feb 2015 07:30:57 GMT)

    At the beginning of the night, Golden State Warriors coach Steve Kerr called the San Antonio Spurs a “measuring stick” for any team and the “gold standard” of basketball.

  • [New York Times] Karl a Winner in Kings Coaching Debut, 109-101 Over Celtics (Sat, 21 Feb 2015 07:15:35 GMT)

    George Karl was far from pleased with his own coaching Friday night as he returned to the NBA with the Sacramento Kings.

  • [New York Times] Nets Hold Off Lakers’ Late Rally for 114-105 Win (Sat, 21 Feb 2015 06:24:45 GMT)

    Joe Johnson scored 23 points and Brook Lopez added 22 off the bench, leading the Brooklyn Nets to a 114-105 victory over the skidding Los Angeles Lakers on Friday night.

  • [New York Times] Burke Has 19, Utah Jazz Beat Portland Trail Blazers 92-76 (Sat, 21 Feb 2015 05:39:27 GMT)

    The Utah Jazz lost an offensive presence when they traded Enes Kanter minutes before the deadline, but improved defensively by promoting 7-foot-1 shot-blocker Rudy Gobert to the starting lineup.

  • [New York Times] Harris, Aminu Lead as Balanced Mavs Hold Off Rockets 111-100 (Sat, 21 Feb 2015 05:36:26 GMT)

    Devin Harris scored 17 points, Al-Farouq Aminu set season highs with 17 points and 12 rebounds, and the balanced Dallas Mavericks held on to beat the Houston Rockets 111-100 Friday night.

  • [New York Times] Harris, Aminu Lead as Balanced Mavs Hold Off Rockets 111-100 (Sat, 21 Feb 2015 05:24:32 GMT)

    Devin Harris scored 17 points, Al-Farouq Aminu set season highs with 17 points and 12 rebounds, and the balanced Dallas Mavericks held on to beat the Houston Rockets 111-100 Friday night.

  • [New York Times] LeBron Scores 28 in 25 Minutes, Cavaliers Rout Wiz 127-89 (Sat, 21 Feb 2015 05:15:37 GMT)

    LeBron James was not about to let teammate Kevin Love’s flubbed attempt at a driving, two-handed dunk — the basketball smacked off the front of the rim — happen without some ribbing.

  • [New York Times] Middleton, Henson Lead Bucks to 89-81 Win Over Nuggets (Sat, 21 Feb 2015 05:12:31 GMT)

    With their roster altered by a trade and their rhythm disrupted by the All-Star break, the Milwaukee Bucks got a jolt from a big man against Denver.

  • [New York Times] N.B.A. Roundup: Raptors Win a Showdown of Top Teams (Sat, 21 Feb 2015 05:02:22 GMT)

    A matchup of the Eastern Conference’s top teams turned into a rout as Toronto opened the second half of the season with a 105-80 win over the Atlanta Hawks.

  • [New York Times] Heat Roll Past Knicks Amid Concern Over Chris Bosh (Sat, 21 Feb 2015 03:59:52 GMT)

    The story on Friday revolved around the All-Star forward Chris Bosh, who did not make the trip to New York after being hospitalized in Miami, with tests being conducted on his lungs.

  • [New York Times] Raptors Dominate Hawks 105-80 in Matchup of East’s Leaders (Sat, 21 Feb 2015 03:54:52 GMT)

    The Toronto Raptors proved they’re a team to watch in the Eastern Conference.

  • [New York Times] Drummond, Dinwiddie Lead Thin Pistons Past Bulls 100-91 (Sat, 21 Feb 2015 03:27:37 GMT)

    Andre Drummond had 18 points and 20 rebounds to lead the short-handed Detroit Pistons to a 100-91 victory over the Chicago Bulls on Friday night.

  • [New York Times] Heat Rout Knicks With Bosh Out, Dragic Not Yet Available (Sat, 21 Feb 2015 03:18:53 GMT)

    With Chris Bosh hospitalized in South Florida for tests and Goran Dragic not yet available, eight of nine Miami Heat players scored in double figures and they beat the New York Knicks 111-87 on Friday night.

  • [New York Times] Stuckey Scores 30 Off Bench, Pacers Beat Sixers 106-95 (Sat, 21 Feb 2015 03:09:50 GMT)

    Rodney Stuckey scored a season-high 30 points off the bench, C.J. Miles added 17 and the Indiana Pacers picked up right where they left off before the All-Star break with a 106-95 win over the Philadelphia 76ers on Friday night.

  • [New York Times] Oladipo Scores 22, Magic Rally to Down Pelicans 95-84 (Sat, 21 Feb 2015 02:46:18 GMT)

    Victor Oladipo had 22 points, Nik Vucevic had 18 points and 13 rebounds, and the Orlando Magic rallied to beat the New Orleans Pelicans 95-84 on Friday night.

  • [New York Times] On Pro Basketball: Fate and Frailty May Test Miami Heat’s Front-Office Wizardry (Sat, 21 Feb 2015 02:11:02 GMT)

    Hours after the Heat signed Goran Dragic, the team learned that Chris Bosh was undergoing tests on his lungs, an unfortunate turn for the successful outfit Pat Riley has built in Miami.

  • [New York Times] Heat Wait for Word on Bosh, as Concern Grows for His Health (Sat, 21 Feb 2015 00:16:26 GMT)

    All-Star forward Chris Bosh of the Miami Heat underwent more tests in a South Florida hospital on Friday, amid concerns that blood clots have worked their way from his legs to his lungs to create a condition that could be season-ending or worse.

  • [New York Post] Dreadful Knicks game pulled from ABC in unprecedented move (Sat, 21 Feb 2015 00:34:31 -0500)

    Discreetly, the Knicks-Cavaliers Sunday matinee was pulled off ABC recently in an unprecedented move. It was the first time in the network's 13 years of telecasting Sunday games it has…

  • [New York Post] The glaring issue with Derek Fisher preaching culture change (Sat, 21 Feb 2015 00:31:45 -0500)

    Someone asked Derek Fisher on Friday night whether there ever can be a rivalry similar to the emotion and intensity of Knicks-Heat more than a decade ago. "The Heat-Knicks history was…

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    80 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2015.02.21)”

    1. Serious question: Why is Bargnani still on the team? I was all for keeping him through the trade deadline in case some teams needed a large expiring contract to complete a deal but the deadline was two days ago and he’s still here. The only thing he’s good at is making 18-footers at a slightly above average rate; he’s somewhere between terrible and fucking awful at every other aspect of basketball.

      I know Phil said that we would need Bargnani’s scoring without Melo and Amare but he wasn’t actually serious about that was he? I don’t understand how anyone who’s watched Bargs play really, at any point in his career but certainly since 11-12 when his 3-point shooting tanked. could think that he can make any sort of positive contribution on the court other than as an example to young players of how not to play basketball.

      We’d be much better off now and in the future hoping to catch lightning in a bottle with a D-League callup. Khem Birch, Seth Curry, Willie Reed, Jordan Hamilton and Glen Rice Jr are all guys that are available who at least deserve a look.

    2. I think they are trying to keep Bargs around almost as a practice player that has a supposed skill set that they want in the offense so they are using him as a body rather than they think he’s useful. Plus it helps the tank.

    3. Does anyone else think that the very first call Phil should make in free agency is to Kahwi Leonard’s agent to offer him a max contract? There’s a 90+% chance that the Spurs would match it but tying up cap space for 3 days is worth it to take that 10% chance in my opinion.

    4. The Accidental Tank going full speed, I wish we could clone Bargnani at every position.

      Tim Hardaway, Jr., Jason Smith. What makes you think we haven’t already started?

    5. Yeah, I’m fine with tying up cap space on max offers for all three of Leonard, Green and Butler. One in a row. Chicago, though, I know is prepared to sign Butler early, before he even gets offers from other teams (since they can trump any outside offer he can get, financially).

      Here’s what I don’t understand – if you’re a player as good as, say, Leonard. Does it make sense to just take the current max or does it make more sense to take the aforementioned two-year deal with the second year being a player option, so that you can opt out if you have another good year and get a new contract based on the new salary cap? The only issue is whether it get too crowded out there. But boy, turning down what currently amounts to 30% raise just by waiting one more year is tough. Some players need to get when the getting is good, but someone like Leonard might be better off waiting.

    6. Even if what I wrote weren’t true (that the max for someone like Leonard is about to skyrocket, making a “max” deal for Leonard this year a cheap deal in a year), Leonard can star on any team. He’s not a system player.

    7. Kawhi Leonard on a max contract. Yes, please.

      That would be the kind of signing that hasn’t happened in my lifetime.

    8. Leonard’s struggled a bit in an expanded role shooting wise as he’s really not too creative with the ball… but there is such a fine line with him being a great player and just an ok player and it depends largely upon if he can maintain his high efficiency in years past with more shots…

      early returns say no but season isn’t over yet… and his ftr is trending up…. my general feeling is that he’s not worth max tho…and i like tobias harris more given that he’s two years younger and that he’s already shown an ability to maintain ok efficiency with the volume of a 2nd scorer type… not saying he’s better but probably might be a better dollar for dollar investment…

    9. I would take max Kawhi Leonard over any free agent this summer. No question. He’s 23, guys, and he’s already a top 20 player. He is not a great scorer, but he is good, and he’s one of the best defenders in the league and an outstanding rebounder. Plus, his max is significantly smaller because he’s only a 4 year vet.

    10. probably not a popular opinion but i like my max players to carry a large offensive role and do it efficiently as well as do a lot of other things well including defense…

      he ticks off almost every other checkbox… the shooting part is still a question… i guess every FA has questions and his are on the minor side… so i suppose he does deserve max in this environment.. would i give it to him? as it stands.. probably not.. but there are worse players who will be getting max…

    11. But the team will already have Melo to shoulder the offensive load, plus hopefully Okafor. You wouldn’t need Leonard to be a go-to scorer with those two guys on the team. And a great defender paired with Melo and Okafor in the front court is very helpful. Hell, make it Towns and you have yourself an actually strong defensive frontcourt, even with Melo in there.

      But it’s a moot point, of course, as San Antonio is clearly going to match any offer he gets, especially since they know the same thing I said before, that the cap is going to go up so that they are actually helped by Leonard signing a contract offer, as it locks him in at a lower raise and it locks him in at the current max when the max levels are about to skyrocket.

    12. Leonard is a very good player to have for any team, but he has done nothing to show me he can carry a team on his shoulders night after night, like true superstars (Duncan, Chris Paul, Shaquille, LeBron, Wade, Kobe, young Garnett, Steph Curry, Ewing, Nowitzky, Durant, Anthony Davis) do

      Nobody carries a team on their shoulders night after night and wins a lot of games in the modern NBA. Even Anthony Davis has a few solid players to help. I know Kawhi was the best player on the floor in the NBA finals last year. Maybe because he is not the focal point of an offense and he’s not a big man he’s never going to be a top 5 player, but he’ll be consistently a top 25 player. Is that a max guy considering his age and salary? Absolutely.

    13. Oh crap, wait, I forgot that Melo has to play small forward for some dumb reason. So I guess Leonard really doesn’t fit.

    14. Even if you don’t love Kawhi as much as most, this is an unreasonable argument. It’s a rookie mistake to treat “max player” like a homogenous category. You have to realize that under the NBA CBA structure, all-time players like Lebron, Durant and Duncan are worth more than max salary. This does not make elite but-not-as-elite players like Leonard worth less than max. Equally important, not all max salaries are created equal. A max deal for Kawhi would mean ~$68 for four years. His starting salary would be around $16 million, or 23-24% of the projected 2015-16 salary. Compare that to Carmelo’s “max” salary, which starts at 36% of the cap, an enormous difference.

      Then you have the fact that the cap is going to explode (or the NBA will take several years off) thereafter, while Kawhi would only be getting 4.5% raises. If the 2016-2017 cap jumped to the $92 million that some project, a max Leonard would make up only 18% of the team salary. Mark to market players currently making 18% of the cap or greater include Batum, David West, Iguodala, Bledsoe, and Derrick Favors. Leonard is a no-brainer max, pretty much no matter what you think of him. Chandler Parsons, on the other hand, not so sure.

    15. well if you just want a guy that plays defense and scores efficiently on a low volume why not just get luol deng? there are lots of guys like that…

      of course kawhi is younger and better than all of them now… but when you give out max money and he’s not shouldering the offensive load that’s expected of his pay grade then it has to come from somewhere else…

      that’s why a two way center in this draft is crucial or a russell.. these guys can handle a lot of the burden at a very low cost…

    16. Edit / addition: a lot of players on the Spurs benefit from playing in a well-defined system, where the roles are clear and they are not required to be “the man”.

      Like the triangle offense, you mean?

    17. and i happen to think guys like leonard and tobias would be an interesting fit here besides melo and with the triangle… these super sf’s that i like to call them all rebound well for a SF and you can split PF responsibilities so it’s not such a burden over 82 games and 48 minutes….

      we were an explosive offense with melo at the 4 and with those guys we would effectively be doubling down on that… food for thought…

    18. Be very interesting to see what sort of contract offers Tyson gets. The league and the media seem to have finally come to the realization that he’s a terrific player, but he’s a 32 year old injury prone big man.

    19. “Leonard would be great on the Knicks at 14-15 M per”
      He would be great at 15 but not 15.7, which is what his 4 year max deal would start at? I really don’t understand that logic. Leonard reminds you of Paul George? I would absolutely LOVE Paul George on the Knicks at 16 mill.

    20. Leonard is similar to Paul George, Klay Thompson, Marc Gasol, Jimmy Butler, etc. All great players, but there is that little extra that separates the stars from the superstars

      But all of those guys are max players, or soon to be max players. George is. Gasol is. Thompson is. Butler will be. So even by your own logic, Leonard is a max player.

      Max doesn’t mean “superstar”. It is a market driven term, and theoretically there should be 30 max players in the league at any given time as every team is given 1 max salary slot. This, of course, isn’t really the case as some teams opt to have 2 (or if they’re silly, 3) max contracts and some teams opt to have none. But currently the top 30 contracts in the league are all maxed (Haywood and Parsons are #29 and #30 respectively). Of course, Steph Curry isn’t on a max contract, and neither is Dirk, or Duncan, Parker, Ginobili, or other “superstars”, so it’s all kind of thrown off, but you get the picture. The best value in the entire NBA is the emerging star on a rookie deal. But you need to draft that player to get the value. If you sign them away from the team that drafted them, they cost a lot and thus lose some of their value. But teams that don’t draft don’t have a choice. Leonard is a max player. So is Butler. They will be paid accordingly by somebody in the league.

    21. I was coaching my boys rec basketball game the other day and the other team was pretty bad. After their point guard threw the ball out of bounds for the third straight trip down the court, the coach turns to me and says, “That’s our offense — the obtuse triangle.” Sounds like he watches a lot of Knicks games…

    22. Phil Jackson has said that he’d like to use his cap space to bring in 5 or 6 new players. I don’t see how that’s possible, but even if it was, I don’t think that’s what he’ll do. Like with the Carmelo negotiations, he’s probably going to back an armored car up to the Free Agent of his choice’s door and open it up for him. Of the available free agents, the Knicks will sign one to the max, and one extremely lesser player to a $10+ mil contract. There are too many teams with money to spend, and if he pinches pennies he’ll be left to the dregs. All NY has in it’s favor is the ability to spend money. Nothing else. So don’t think about what players are worth or not worth. They are all going to get way more money than they are “worth” on the court. Just think of who you’d like to have on the team and hope Phil agrees with you.

    23. Leonard is a very good player to have for any team, but he has done nothing to show me he can carry a team on his shoulders night after night, like true superstars (Duncan, Chris Paul, Shaquille, LeBron, Wade, Kobe, . . . .

      I said the same thing about two months ago and received a firestorm of backlash.
      Kahwi looks like a great player int the Spurs system, but being the “man” carrying a team every night is a different story.
      If you throw max money at guys like that, you’ll always be chasing the elite teams and you’ll never be in position to sign a real max guy when the opportunity arises.

    24. A big mistake that teams make is throwing big money at someone as soon as they have it to spend. The thinking is that it’s the best available player at the time.
      With the wisdom that comes from being around a while, you learn that there will always be opportunities. Unexpected opportunities. Always!
      The key is to maintain flexibility and sign good contracts, so when the big fish comes available, you can deal. . . while building a foundation with draft picks. . . that you may want to re-sign. Continuity and value are imperative for a solid roster.

    25. But Leonard wouldn’t be asked to “carry” the Knicks, at least offensively. Melo, Okafor and some other 10 million dollar free agent would provide plenty of scoring. His strengths — defense, rebounding and low volume high efficiency scoring are exactly what that team would need.

    26. Put another way, is a starting five of Melo, Okafor, Leonard, Wes Matthews and Calderon a contender in the East? I think that it is, and it is also a very good mix of very young players and veterans.

    27. I don’t know about some of you gamblers here, bit I’d rather take the low risk, high value asset now before the cap rises than the mega risk mega reward strategy of keeping cap flexibility post cap rise. Durant isn’t coming here and it’s horrible to bet on the unexpected.

      Kawhi is a clear max player, he’s a phenomenal two way player whos an efficient score and excellent rebounder and he has great character–the spurs system is good because it gets good players. The system then makes the players better, its a symbiotic relationship. He’s also only 23. The notion of only paying the max for “superstars” is what anchored this team to Melo in the first place.

    28. probably not… but that’s more my contention that ok4 is not a good defender…. it’s behind miami, cavs, hawks, probably the wiz and toronto and maybe indiana depending on how they look next yr…

    29. …Melo, Okafor and some other 10 million dollar free agent would provide plenty of scoring. His strengths — defense, rebounding and low volume high efficiency scoring are exactly what that team would need.

      So, you’re going to pay max money to Leonard for his efficiency and defense, then find a guy to provide plenty of scoring for $10 million?
      . . . and the knicks don’t have Okafor.

    30. The Knicks’ room exception could theoretically be split between two low-level players (basically just enough to outbid teams who can only offer vet minimum offers), so I could see a scenario where the Knicks sign four free agents with their cap space, but no idea how he thinks they’re getting five free agents.

    31. The only thing I can imagine that can get Leonard out of SA is if Pop retires at the end of the year.

      So if the spurs Max out Leonard will they also spend +/- $10m on Green and $6-7m on Joseph?

    32. The Knicks’ room exception could theoretically be split between two low-level players (basically just enough to outbid teams who can only offer vet minimum offers), so I could see a scenario where the Knicks sign four free agents with their cap space, but no idea how he thinks they’re getting five free agents.

      I think it could be slightly possible maybe. I think they could possibly fit Joseph, Middleton, Koufos, Bass, and a guy like Ajinca(exeption).

    33. If Duncan retires the Spurs will have more cap space than we do, so they can re-sign whoever they want at whatever money they want…but they’re also going to have to replace Duncan. And that its going to be difficult on the cheap. I think either green or (more likely Joseph) will be available.

    34. How much is the cap going up . . . and how does that effect teams that are capped out?

      The cap’s not going up much this year, just about $3 million. But then the next year it’s going up roughly $24 million. Teams that are currently capped out will just suddenly have extra cap room. So, say, I dunno, the Bulls, can suddenly just add a $24 million player to their cap if they are just at the cap. It’s kind of nuts. The NBA was going to try to smooth things out so the increase would happen subtly, but they continued their typical “treat the players like they’re morons” approach that worked really well in 2011 and offered the players no incentive to accept smoothing, so as of right now it’s going to go up all at once.

    35. If Duncan retires the Spurs will have more cap space than we do, so they can re-sign whoever they want at whatever money they want…but they’re also going to have to replace Duncan. And that its going to be difficult on the cheap. I think either green or (more likely Joseph) will be available.

      I do agree that Joseph or Green (and I agree, Joseph is more likely) very likely will become available, just noting that they can sign them all.

    36. It’s generally accepted that as the cap goes up, player salaries will increase proportionately. So, it won’t have much of a dramatic effect on how teams are built. The actual numbers are pure speculation at this point.

      As of right now, the cap is scheduled to not go up proportionally in 2016. So as of right now, it will have a dramatic effect on how teams are built.

    37. . . . next year it’s going up roughly $24 million. Teams that are currently capped out will just suddenly have extra cap room. So, say, I dunno, the Bulls, can suddenly just add a $24 million player to their cap if they are just at the cap. It’s kind of nuts. . . .

      Well, IF that’s the case, it changes everything. Players salaries are going to surge and smart GM’s will jump ahead of the curve by overpaying now on long term deals.

    38. Well, IF that’s the case, it changes everything. Players salaries are going to surge and smart GM’s will jump ahead of the curve by overpaying now on long term deals.

      Correct. That’s why I was saying San Antonio might just bring them all back, because of the cap increase in the following year. They’ll be able to bring everyone back and then possibly still have cap room to get a Duncan replacement in 2016.

      But more likely they let Joseph or Green go.

      It also brings up the question of whether certain players will even sign long term deals this offseason. Most will, of course, but I could see a case for the top of the line guys doing what Lebron did. Like LaMarcus Aldridge. He’s one of those “OMG! PPG!” guys who will always be in demand. If he takes a two-year deal with an opt out for the second year, he will be able to sign a much bigger deal next offseason.

    39. Its going to be an interesting off season for the spurs, especially if Parker keeps playing like he’s cooked.

    40. One thing that could help them out a lot is if Parker signs quickly at a discount (like, say, Ginobili’s current $10 million contract). If he does so, and Duncan and Ginobili both retire, then the Spurs would have $35 million in cap room. $7 million goes to Leonard’s cap hold. That makes it $28 million, with Green’s cap hold being $7 million and Joseph’s $5 million. So if they bring back only one of those two guys (most likely Green, since they still have Mills), they’ll have enough cap room for a max offer to Marc Gasol and then still have the room exception to sign someone.

      So they’d be going forward with:

      Parker/Mills
      Green
      Leonard/Anderson
      Splitter/Diaw
      Gasol

      Oh, sorry, they’d also have room to give Baynes a QO of about a million, so put him as Gasol’s backup.

      The issue, of course, is that they’d need to make up Manu’s production at the 2, with only a room exception to work with.

      They could also trade Mills for a draft pick and then use his salary slot to keep Joseph’s cap hold (the offer to Gasol would likely have to go down, though, unless the cap is $68 million instead of $66 million).

    41. but I could see a case for the top of the line guys doing what Lebron did.

      Guys in a position to sign their first big contract have to consider the risk of injury vs. the extra money.
      If I got nothing, I’d rather take $75 million over five years, than play roulette and sign for $30 million and risk $45 M to make and extra $15 M.

      It’s an easy gamble for Lebron because he’s already loaded.

    42. But Aldridge has already made $70 million in the league, so he could probably risk it, as well.

      I agree, though, that the young ones like Butler, Green and Leonard are not going to risk it.

    43. A whole lot of players hitting free agency in 2016

      http://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/2016/

      Wow. That changes things, too. There’s going to limited money going after a much larger pool of “better” players. That will offset the cap increase.

      That’s what I was referring to in my earlier post. Be prepared for future opportunities instead of signing big contracts as soon as you can. With that many FA’s available, they’ll be a lot of trades, as well.
      The knicks should have their eyes on 2016.

    44. Yes but Hoola was right when he said that signing a young player to max deal this year starting at $16M is actually a mid tier deal once the cap expands and will be value. All the more reason why Phil should absolutely offer maxes to Green, Mathews, Leonard types. Those deals will end up efficient.

      Also (and don’t murder me for saying this) you think Phil and Melo thought that a slight discount on the mega max that Melo got actually was a “discount” bc Melo could have played it like Lebron? I would have to think that went into the process. Melos deal is not going to be 30% of the cap for long.

    45. Norris Cole got a video tribute and a standing ovation in his return to Miami. These tribute things are getting out of hand.

    46. Norris Cole got a video tribute and a standing ovation in his return to Miami. These tribute things are getting out of hand.

      Kind of fitting that JR's return to MSG is on a Sunday afternoon, the video tribute should be a montage of nightclub photos.

    47. One thing that could help them out a lot is if Parker signs quickly at a discount (like, say, Ginobili’s current $10 million contract). If he does so, and Duncan and Ginobili both retire, then the Spurs would have $35 million in cap room. $7 million goes to Leonard’s cap hold. That makes it $28 million, with Green’s cap hold being $7 million and Joseph’s $5 million. So if they bring back only one of those two guys (most likely Green, since they still have Mills), they’ll have enough cap room for a max offer to Marc Gasol and then still have the room exception to sign someone.

      What? Tony Parker is signed through 2018.

    48. Kind of fitting that JR’s return to MSG is on a Sunday afternoon, the video tribute should be a montage of nightclub photos.

      Oh man, I didn’t even think of that. It’ll be suitably disastrous and embarrassing I’m sure.

    49. What? Tony Parker is signed through 2018.

      Shit, you’re right. My bad, I was checking the wrong salary site. Stupid shamsports is great for cap hold info but awful at updating the cap space. But yeah, with that in mind, they’ll have $19 million in cap space if the cap is $66 million, after taking into account the cap holds for Green, Baynes and Leonard. So that would be enough to make a real offer to Gasol. If the cap is $68 million, they’ll have enough to make him a max offer.

    50. @ 62 I thought and correct me if i am wrong that Melo’s contract goes up if the cap number goes up. Meaning he gets a % of the cap and that does not change if the cap goes higher/lower. Is that wrong and Melo only gets a set salary regardless of the cap?

    51. @ 67 – He is my choice for the 1st pick and really its not even close. His rebounding and defense could be elite.

    52. @ 62 I thought and correct me if i am wrong that Melo’s contract goes up if the cap number goes up. Meaning he gets a % of the cap and that does not change if the cap goes higher/lower. Is that wrong and Melo only gets a set salary regardless of the cap?

      Only your initial salary is based on the cap. Everything else after that is locked in. So yes, if the cap goes up like they’re currently planning it to, Melo’s deal won’t be as big of a deal (it’ll still be a big deal, of course, but not as big of a deal), since the Knicks will have major cap room in 2016 no matter what. If the league gets the players to agree to cap smoothing, however, the cap will go up more naturally, which would hurt the Knicks. So far the players aren’t budging because the league hasn’t actually offered them anything to agree to it, just asking them in a sort of condescending “it’s for your own good” way. But I suspect that the league will try again.

    53. Brian – got it, thanks. And now that I think about it, this is why the FAs need to decide whether to sign for shorter and wait for cap to increase or take less for financial security. In other words, I am an idiot.

    54. Bucks just waived Sanders. I know some of you are big on the guy as a low cost reclamation project…but honestly, I’m tired of reclamation projects; even cheap ones with little risk.

    55. It would actually be refreshing for Jax to go after five 5-7 mil free agents instead of the maxes.
      Joseph would be nice or any other young underrated players with room to grow and even a few older players looking to rebound from bad seasons.

    56. I am not opposed to the idea in principle, but can you even name five decent free agents who would sign for $5 million or less? I was just looking at the list and wow, it’s tough.

    57. Carroll would be great. He was the main guy I could think of, but Davis is good, too. That’s about it, though. Two dudes. And both are likely re-signing with their current teams (Carroll especially). Did you know that the Hawks are currently nearly five million under the salary cap?!?!

    58. The Sanders and Knight move really pumps the brakes on my hope of Khris Middleton being a Matthews/Green safety net. I’d probably take him over both players because of his youth and versatility but now I don’t think the knicks can get him. Then again maybe they don’t value him that much..

    59. Carroll would be great. He was the main guy I could think of, but Davis is good, too. That’s about it, though. Two dudes. And both are likely re-signing with their current teams (Carroll especially). Did you know that the Hawks are currently nearly five million under the salary cap?!?!

      Do you think Koufos will get more than $7M?

    60. I’m all for offering a max contract to Kawhi the first day of FA. He would be a great two way player to pair with Melo (and to have, in general).

      However, if i am Kawhi, i would be pissed that SA didnt sign him to an extension last year, and might consider taking the QO to sign the max in 2016 when the cap rises (and perhaps to a team with a younger core).

    61. Towns looks like a legit future star on both ends. I’d be interested to see whether teams pass on him for Okafor and Mudiay (Larry Brown says that Philly is really high on him.)

    62. Okafor is still the consensus #1, but yeah, man, if people pass over Towns for #2, they’re nucking futs. I suspect that when push comes to shove, no one will actually do that (for instance, if Philly ends up at #2, perhaps they trade down to get Mudiay if they are really high on him?). I don’t see how Towns can fall past #2. He’s just too good.

    63. Looking over the last 14 years of top pick there have not been a time where both top two picks became franchise/all-star players. Maybe only 4 times in the past 14 years has the number 2 pick had the better career than the number 1 pick. It very early for these last few drafts but we’ll see. Durant, Aldridge, Chandler, Oladipo are the only ones who out shined the #1 pick. Most of the time pick 3 turns out better than pick 2.

    64. I get the love affair with Okafor, but tournament play could really impact the Towns vs. Okafor debate. Would LOVE to see them square off in the final four.

      On another note, I watched some highlights of Mudiay in the CBA. His jumper looks a bit funky, but this guy looks like a sure-fire NBA starter and possible all-star. Isn’t the CBA a notch above NCAA? He seemed physically dominant near the basket. I guess what I’m saying is, if we miss out on Okafor and Towns, deciding between him and Russell could be dicey. Mudiay seems physically like he could be an impact player right off the bat, while Russell seems a bit soft.

    65. @88 I don’t put much stock into that statistical hindsight stuff. Bottom line: every year is unique.

      I think that this draft is very top-heavy. I wouldn’t be surprised if 10 of the top 12 selections become impact players. When is the last time that happened?

    66. I get the love affair with Okafor, but tournament play could really impact the Towns vs. Okafor debate. Would LOVE to see them square off in the final four.

      That’d definitely be awesome. I doubt Duke makes it that far, though.

      On another note, I watched some highlights of Mudiay in the CBA. His jumper looks a bit funky, but this guy looks like a sure-fire NBA starter and possible all-star. Isn’t the CBA a notch above NCAA? He seemed physically dominant near the basket. I guess what I’m saying is, if we miss out on Okafor and Towns, deciding between him and Russell could be dicey. Mudiay seems physically like he could be an impact player right off the bat, while Russell seems a bit soft.

      The CBA is a weird league. In certain areas, they are better than the NCAA while other areas they are not. One area where they clearly lack is athleticism and speed, so quick guards dominate there, which is why I am wary about Mudiay. Toney Douglas, for instance, was putting up better numbers than Mudiay over there! Mudiay was replaced by Will Bynum and they didn’t lose anything. Of course, Mudiay is much younger than those guys, so he will clearly be much better than either Bynum or Douglas, but I don’t know if I’d consider him an All-NBA talent. If he improves his jumper, though, he clearly will be one. That’s not an unreasonable risk to take if you’re picking #6 or 7, but I don’t know about #3 or #4.

    67. @88 I don’t put much stock into that statistical hindsight stuff. Bottom line: every year is unique.

      Every year is unique but when you have to go back to Glenn Robinson and Jason Kidd to get two all stars something could be there for some odd reason. Camby had some all defensive teams but he wasn’t an all-star so I guess that counts. It’s just weird though how that has worked out.

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