Knicks Morning News (2015.02.20)

  • [New York Daily News] Isola: Phil Jackson must score in draft after trade failures (Fri, 20 Feb 2015 05:00:55 GMT)

    The NBA trade deadline was never going to be a banner day for Phil Jackson.

  • [New York Daily News] Phil Jackson gets show of support from old pal Charley Rosen (Fri, 20 Feb 2015 00:59:38 GMT)

    Charley Rosen said he was not “there to defend” friend and business partner Phil Jackson at the CUNYAC’s awards luncheon on Thursday.

  • [New York Times] Thunder, Heat Make Big Moves at NBA’s Trade Deadline (Fri, 20 Feb 2015 08:54:27 GMT)

    The No. 8 seeds suddenly look like more than first-round fodder.

  • [New York Times] Clippers Hang On to Beat Spurs 119-115 in Tight 4th Quarter (Fri, 20 Feb 2015 08:06:52 GMT)

    DeAndre Jordan gets tired of teams playing Hack-a-D.J. Tim Duncan doesn’t like it, either, although he knows it’s a useful strategy against a mediocre free throw shooter like Jordan.

  • [New York Times] Chargers, Raiders Plan Shared NFL Stadium in Los Angeles (Fri, 20 Feb 2015 07:39:30 GMT)

    The San Diego Chargers and the Oakland Raiders on Thursday proposed a plan that would have the teams share a new stadium in the Los Angeles area if they fail to solve their current venue dilemmas, the teams said in a joint statement.

  • [New York Times] NBA Capsules (Fri, 20 Feb 2015 07:00:42 GMT)

    DeAndre Jordan had 26 points and 18 rebounds, Jamal Crawford added 26 points and the Los Angeles Clippers beat San Antonio 119-115 Thursday night, increasing their lead over the Spurs by 1 ½ games in the West.

  • [New York Times] Westbrook Leads Thunder Past Mavericks, 104-89 (Fri, 20 Feb 2015 05:30:48 GMT)

    Russell Westbrook picked up right where he left off at the All-Star Game.

  • [New York Times] AP Source: Bosh Undergoes Tests at Hospital (Fri, 20 Feb 2015 05:27:49 GMT)

    Chris Bosh of the Miami Heat underwent testing at a hospital Thursday to assess a medical issue related to the area around his lungs, a person with knowledge of the situation told The Associated Press.

  • [New York Times] Heat Acquire Goran Dragic Amid Shock and Satisfaction at N.B.A. Trade Deadline (Fri, 20 Feb 2015 05:17:01 GMT)

    The Heat signaled their intentions by acquiring Dragic, the player widely considered the top prize, while Kevin Garnett heads back to the Timberwolves.

  • [New York Times] Russell Westbrook Leads Thunder to Victory (Fri, 20 Feb 2015 05:00:27 GMT)

    Oklahoma City defeat the Dallas Mavericks, 104-89, for the Thunder’s sixth victory in seven games.

  • [New York Times] Kevin Garnett Returns to Minnesota in Deadline Deal (Fri, 20 Feb 2015 04:07:04 GMT)

    For 12 years in Minnesota, Kevin Garnett gave the Timberwolves something they didn’t have before he arrived and haven’t had since he left — an identity.

  • [New York Times] Bucks Trade Brandon Knight to Suns, Acquire Carter-Williams (Fri, 20 Feb 2015 03:38:38 GMT)

    The Milwaukee Bucks are not standing pat at the point during their surprising season.

  • [New York Times] Jerome Kersey, Stalwart of Top Trail Blazers Teams, Dies at 52 (Fri, 20 Feb 2015 03:06:34 GMT)

    Kersey was a hard-working forward from a small college who overachieved in pro ball, spending 11 of his 17 seasons in the N.B.A. with Portland.

  • [New York Times] Goran Dragic Headed to Heat, Gets Wish to Leave Phoenix (Fri, 20 Feb 2015 02:04:13 GMT)

    Goran Dragic wanted a new home, and the Miami Heat wanted a new point guard.

  • [New York Times] Shock and Satisfaction at Trade Deadline as Heat Acquire Goran Dragic (Fri, 20 Feb 2015 02:03:37 GMT)

    The Heat signaled their intentions by acquiring Dragic, the player widely considered the top prize, while Kevin Garnett, above, heads back to the Timberwolves.

  • [New York Times] Moves Don’t Get Knicks and Nets Too Far (Fri, 20 Feb 2015 01:45:25 GMT)

    The Knicks and the Nets appeared to improve their overall states by Thursday’s trade deadline but fell short of their primary objectives.

  • [New York Times] Suns Deal 5 Players at Deadline, Including Dragic, Thomas (Fri, 20 Feb 2015 01:07:03 GMT)

    The Phoenix Suns’ three point-guard experiment is over.

  • [New York Times] Garnett Returns to Wolves During Trade Deadline Frenzy (Fri, 20 Feb 2015 01:03:48 GMT)

    A deal that has 15-time All-Star forward Kevin Garnett headed back to his original team, the Minnesota Timberwolves, headlined a late flurry of moves ahead of the NBA’s trade deadline on Thursday.

  • [New York Times] Carmelo Anthony Has Knee Surgery; Recovery May Take 4 to 6 Months (Fri, 20 Feb 2015 00:52:34 GMT)

    Anthony underwent successful surgery on his left knee on Thursday, and Knicks Coach Derek Fisher said, “Let the rehab process begin.”

  • [New York Times] Point Guards on the Move on NBA Trade Deadline Day (Fri, 20 Feb 2015 00:38:12 GMT)

    Point guards moving quickly made this trade deadline a transition game.

  • [New York Post] Carmelo’s knee surgery done (Fri, 20 Feb 2015 02:26:31 -0500)

    Carmelo Anthony underwent "successful left-knee surgery'' Thursday, according to the Knicks, but the team did not update his rehab schedule. Knicks president Phil Jackson said Anthony could be out "four-to-six…

  • [New York Post] Tim Legler explains why missing out on Dragic will hurt Knicks (Fri, 20 Feb 2015 01:29:07 -0500)

    ESPN analyst Tim Legler talks Goran Dragic, Phil Jackson and the NBA playoff picture with The Post's Justin Terranova. Q: What do you make of the Suns-Heat trade? It's a…

  • [New York Post] 3 pressing questions Knicks need answered in 2nd half (Fri, 20 Feb 2015 00:27:21 -0500)

    At 10-43, there is not much for the Knicks to play for in the second half. But there are questions that even a collapsed team can answer. 1. Was Cleanthony Early worth the…

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    68 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2015.02.20)”

    1. With all the PG shuffling going around the league, it would’ve been nice to unload Calderon whose trade value can only go down with each year.

      Then again he prolly doesn’t have any trade value to begin with.

    2. Interesting stat from Kevin Pelton at ESPN (that dude is shaaaaarp) – the Knicks are actually very close to the luxury tax line. Had they shed Prigs’ salary without taking on salary, they would have ducked under the line. Instead they added salary for this year. That’s not a big deal this year, but it becomes a factor later on as this would count as a season under the luxury cap and since next season will also be a season under and likely the next, then the Knicks could go on a bit of a luxury tax spending spree without being hit by the dreaded repeater tax for three more years. That could possibly mean a big chunk of money to Dolan. So it is a bit surprising that he didn’t go for that.

    3. No trade value column before the trade deadline, but Simmons did come up with this great line in the Grantland trade wrap-up piece.

      Yes or no, would you believe this tweet?

      @WojYahooNBA Sources: Suns-Knicks talks for Dragic derailed because of Phil Jackson’s spotty cell phone service in St. Bart’s.

    4. Some of the local media hysteria over Jackson’s non-trades is as usual, over the top. My favorite is “How Phil Jackson can learn from Riley’s moves” Yes, the Heat are in prime position to move up to the 5th seed, and their future is basically Whiteside and Dragic.

      And really, what assets did Jackson have to get Dragic? I’m sure we were never even “in the conversation” for Dragic, despite what Phil said.

    5. Agreed. The Knicks never had a chance at Dragic. The Heat were offering up two first rounders! That is an insane haul! I would never want the Knicks to part with multiple first rounders for Dragic.

    6. For all of the talk about how the Knicks had absolutely zero trade assets to acquire someone like Dragic, they probably could have matched what the Heat gave up if they wanted to — i.e., 2 future first round picks and a bunch of filler, plus the willingness to take back Chris Smith 2.0. I’m curious — what grade would you have given that trade if Phil had pulled the trigger?
      By the way, I also liked this headline — “Knicks Trade Deadline Fallout — How Phil Jackson Blew it.”

    7. Interesting stat from Kevin Pelton at ESPN (that dude is shaaaaarp)

      Prigioni looks like nothing more than insurance for the Rockets, who traded point guard Isaiah Canaan to the Philadelphia 76ers in a separate pre-deadline move. Jason Terry has been playing as the backup point guard with positive results (Houston is +3.6 points per 100 possessions with him on the floor, per NBA.com/Stats).

      Then why is he spinning such lies about Pablo? At least I hope Morey has been using something more useful than raw +/- to make decisions.

    8. As for Dragic, the cost to acquire him plus the cost to resign him is too high, even if he is more of the player he was last season than the player he’s been most of the rest of his career. Maxing out a guard at the end of his prime for five years when we’ve already maxed out a wing at the end of his prime for five years with this roster would be a terrible decision. Aside from the Melo position we need help at every other spot on the team. And PG is the deepest position in the league. PG is where we should be saving money.

    9. Such banter about PJ’s moves.

      Can we agree that Chandler was traded mostly because (A) he didn’t want to be on this team and didn’t want to play well for this team, (B) he was a poor fit for the offense that Phil envisioned for his team, and (C) this was an expiring 30-something year old with injury issues and a bad attitute who was NOT going to be resigned, and was NOT a part of rebuilding for the future. So, they traded a RENTAL for a top 5-10 center in this league.

      The fact that he needed to be traded is obvious to me. Did we get enough in return is the question to ask: (1) get rid of Felton, who is an abysmal athlete on contract, (2) acquire Jose Calderon, a 45% 3 point shooter, and superb passer (horrible defender), (3) Samuel Dalembert, who played well last year as we all know, (4) Shane Larkin, meh (5) Wayne Ellington, meh, (6) the 34th and 51st picks, cool.

      I think it was not such a bad move, but maybe it’s hip to be skeptical.

      His other moves, signing Fisher (we can’t grade him yet because of this crap of a roster he’s got); resigning Melo (we can talk about this for ages, I personally think we are better off with Melo than without him for multiple reasons), getting rid of JR/Shumpert for cap space, three marginal players and a 2nd rounder, and getting rid of Prigioni for two second rounders, are not bad.

      Could everyone chill until the real work begins for PJ, namely concocting a roster from scratch, drafting well, and signing good FA’s this summer?!

    10. I think it was not such a bad move, but maybe it’s hip to be skeptical.

      I don’t think I’ve ever seen skepticism about NBA trades offered up as a negative before.

      “Man, that Bargs trade sure looks bad.”
      “I guess it’s just hip to be skeptical. Me, if they made the move, I just presume it is good.”

    11. Can we agree that Chandler was traded mostly because (A) he didn’t want to be on this team and didn’t want to play well for this team

      I don’t really comment on this site much, but this reason for the Chandler trade always mystifies me. Isn’t Phil Jackson supposed to be great at motivating players and getting them to play together? He kept Kobe and Shaq together, and keep Jordan from killing his teammates (or the opposite). But he couldn’t convince Tyson Chandler to want to stay with the Knicks?

    12. I don’t think #1 was as important as #2 and #3. Chandler didn’t fit Jackson’s offense and because of that, he likely was going to be gone no matter what either way, either this year or after this year. Trading him definitely made 100% sense (well, provided you bought into the idea of them playing the Triangle, of course). It was just a matter of what to get back for him. I thought that the deal was a C at the time, because I bought into the idea (that clearly Jackson shared) that Calderon would be such an improvement at point that it would basically make up for the decrease from Chandler to Dalembart (and the picks would make up for the remaining talent difference, as clearly the difference between Chandler and Dalembart was greater than the difference between Calderon and Felton). I just didn’t like the idea of trading Chandler for current assets instead of future ones (or of pairing him with Felton just to dump Felton), but I got it enough to think it was a C. As it turned out, Jackson and I were both way off base. Is Dalembart even in the league still?

    13. Maxing out a guard at the end of his prime for five years when we’ve already maxed out a wing at the end of his prime for five years with this roster would be a terrible decision.

      I originally felt this way but now I’m not so sure. Dragic has fewer than 13,000 mp in his career and I suspect for players under 32yo MP is a better indicator than age. Phil’s two worst errors were committing almost 1/2 the cap to a 33yo guard and 30yo with 33,000 MP. But now that he’s gone all in on this approach, I’m surprised we didn’t hear rumors about this type of trade: Dragic/Plum — Bargs/2018 pick/Timmy/Early.

    14. “A big ‘F’”
      For what it’s worth, if the Knicks had given up the Heat package for Dragic, I’m not sure that I would have given it a big F, but I would not have thought that it was a good deal at all.

    15. Agreed. The Knicks never had a chance at Dragic. The Heat were offering up two first rounders! That is an insane haul!

      Yeah. I mean, he’s no Mozgov afterall.

    16. Chandler didn’t fit Jackson’s offense

      If this is true, then Jackson’s offense is idiotic.

    17. Like I said, that’s why that part needs you to buy into the Triangle. I, too, am a bit wary about an offense that doesn’t have a role for someone like Tyson Chandler in it.

    18. I think Jackson mistakenly thought that Chandler was done, not realizing that Chandler has a long history of alternating good and bad seasons. He rarely has good back to back years, often because of injury.

    19. No, but the extreme skepticism of all of Jackson’s moves is a bit ridiculous. I don’t think any of the moves have been as bad as what others are saying here (a “horrendous job” was said above). Granted, I am not happy with all of the moves. I am very unhappy about Melo’s price tag, length of contract, and no-trade clause, for example. Either way, calling bloody murder is a little much at this point.

      Where we can really judge him is this off season and draft.

    20. Tyson has been pretty vocal about his opinion of the Knicks and teammates, so it’s no mystery. He definitely WAS a malcontent last year. He’s an excellent player when he wants to be, regardless.

    21. Phil’s had success with bigs who can’t shoot or post. Granted, Rodman was better than Tyson, and could pass a little, but I think the Knicks knew they weren’t signing Tyson after this season. Tyson’s really good, but he has a high salary and he’s an FA after the year. I don’t think that’s as valuable as some of you do-the list of teams that could have added Tyson and wanted to add Tyson was probably pretty short.

    22. The Thunder wanted Brook Lopez for scoring in the paint and “rebounding”. They had salary to match up. They had players Better than Dalembert and Calderon to offer. Just saying.

    23. So if the Thunder wanted Tyson and had a better package to offer-why didn’t they trade for Tyson? Before this year people couldn’t wait to run him out of town, remember? He always got hurt. He threw people under the bus. He couldn’t do anything but dunk. He quit

    24. “Can we agree that Chandler was traded mostly because (A) he didn’t want to be on this team and didn’t want to play well for this team, (B) he was a poor fit for the offense that Phil envisioned for his team, and (C) this was an expiring 30-something year old with injury issues and a bad attitute who was NOT going to be resigned, and was NOT a part of rebuilding for the future. So, they traded a RENTAL for a top 5-10 center in this league.”

      A good conversation starter…..

      I am more inclined these days to believe the conspiracy theorists who say CAA forced Phil’s hand and ran Tyson out of town. The trade really makes no sense in retrospect.

    25. I think that there was a larger amount of teams that would trade for Chandler.

      I think that there was a much smaller amount of teams that would trade for Chandler and take Felton off the Knick’s hands.

      I think that there was an even smaller amount of teams (perhaps just one) that would trade for Chandler, take Felton off the Knick’s hands and give players who Phil Jackson thought would make up for the talent he was losing in Chandler.

      Jackson clearly placed a priority on that last scenario.

      The issue with the thinking behind the last one is something that our poster Donnie Walsh has been saying for a while now, which is that it should not have been such a priority to dump Felton or take back players who could compete right now.

    26. No one is speculating that Chandler didn’t want to be here. He said it. After the season, he said explicitly that, at this point in his career, he didn’t want to be part of a rebuild.
      Everyone is complaining that the Knicks should have gotten a package similar to what the Celtics got for Rondo — which is basically two late first round picks that might turn into second round picks, — because they need young talent. What did the Knicks get for Chandler? The #17 pick in the 2013 draft, the #34 pick (which many would argue is more valuable than a #29 pick — see the Banished Seer’s post yesterday) and the #51 pick in a loaded draft, a guy who they traded for Quincy Acy, who is young and still might develop into a useful player, and a competent player in Calderon. How is that significantly worse than what the Celtics got for Rondo? What are the Celtics likely to get with the late first/possibly second round picks at some point in the future? Probably guys like Larkin, Early, Antetekuompo and Acy.

    27. Chandler missed 27 games last year. When he did play he bitched and stared down the refs. I am willing to be Melo wanted him gone; wouldn’t surprise me if Chandler tried to hold Melo accountable. Phil got rid of Chandler for what he thought was 2 starters, plus a decent young backup PG, plus 2 2nd round picks, plus he got rid of Felton. Sammy D put up similar numbers to Chandler last year, and Jose had that 40% from 3 that he thought was so necessary in the triangle.

      The flaw in what Phil did was that he thought we’d be decent this year, and he thought Jose’s deal was worth stretching into next year. In hindsight, Chandler to OKC for Perkins, a #1 pick and an expiring to match would have been a better deal. but, it also would have declared tanking. In double hindsight, keeping Chandler and trading him this week would have worked best, but I bet Melo wasn’t Ok w/ that. I’m not saying keeping Melo happy was a good idea, but it was Phil’s priority

    28. @ 23 what moves has Jackson done so far that have inspired confidence? The Prigs trade? Sure, I guess, he got two late 2nd rounds picks in a few years. I am not saying I want Phil fired but I am not confident about the direction that this team is headed. This Melo contract is hanging over this franchise and thats Phil’s doing.

      I guess you don’t understand why I am so down on Phil yet I don’t understand why you are defending him. He’s done a shit job up to this point but somehow magically he is going to hit a HomeRun in FA & the draft? I guess he could but I doubt it.

    29. I guess from my point of view the only bad thing Phil has done was give that extension to Melo. Going into the season we had (1) a shitty, talentless roster filled with massive injury risks, overpaid malcontents, a couple”prominsing” young players who aren’t that good; and (2) no draft picks; and (3) absolutely no cap space no matter what. What did you all expect?

    30. “In hindsight, Chandler to OKC for Perkins, a #1 pick and an expiring to match would have been a better deal.”
      How in the world is that a better deal — or even nearly as good a deal? One late first round pick and Perkins’s carcass is better than Larkin, Acy, Early and Antetekuompo? How? If it were a lottery pick, that would be different. But a late first round pick is going to get you someone like Larkin, Acy, Early or Antetekuompo (or Shumpert or Hardaway). The Knicks ended up with four such guys instead of one.

    31. Can we agree that Chandler was traded mostly because (A) he didn’t want to be on this team and didn’t want to play well for this team
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      I don’t really comment on this site much, but this reason for the Chandler trade always mystifies me. Isn’t Phil Jackson supposed to be great at motivating players and getting them to play together? He kept Kobe and Shaq together, and keep Jordan from killing his teammates (or the opposite). But he couldn’t convince Tyson Chandler to want to stay with the Knicks?

      I don’t know how many of you guys live in NY, but it’s been repeatedly reported that Melo didn’t want to play with Tyson Chandler, and Phil was trying to sign Melo.
      Tyson Chandler is not a bad attitude guy. He was pissed off at the way the team was being run by Melo and his sidekick, Woodson. Tyson really wanted to win. He was sold on the idea of being part of a big three with himself, Melo and Amare, but unwillingly turned into a hero-ball spectator, losing a lot of games. He was sick and tired of losing and being part of this crap culture.
      Phil was supposed to change all that. Instead, he aligned with Melo and gave away an excellent player for nothing.

    32. I don’t know how many of you guys live in NY, but it’s been repeatedly reported that Melo didn’t want to play with Tyson Chandler, and Phil was trying to sign Melo.
      Tyson Chandler is not a bad attitude guy. He was pissed off at the way the team was being run by Melo and his sidekick, Woodson. Tyson really wanted to win. He was sold on the idea of being part of a big three with himself, Melo and Amare, but unwillingly turned into a hero-ball spectator, losing a lot of games. He was sick and tired of losing and being part of this crap culture.
      Phil was supposed to change all that. Instead, he aligned with Melo and gave away an excellent player for nothing.

      +1. That’s my take on it.

      Amen to that too. Tyson was and is my favorite Knick from this decade. 00’s too for that matter.

    33. The #17 pick in the 2013 draft,

      The same #17 pick in the 2013 draft that Jackson didn’t want to even pay $1.8 million to next year. Larkin clearly did not factor much into the deal. He was fodder. The draft picks were not fodder, though. Those were definitely key parts of the deal. Ellington and Larkin were fodder, though.

      Quincy Acy, who is young and still might develop into a useful player

      Is there even a 20% chance that Quincy Acy is on the team next year under this current contract?

    34. Blaming Melo for the Chandler trade, though, is sillier to me than trying to spin Shane Larkin as an actual asset, so you’re definitely way ahead on that regard, johnno.

    35. Phil has taken a very bad team and made it much worse.
      – The Melo contract was quick dagger in the heart of this franchise.
      – The Tyson Chandler/Jose Calderon deal was another blunder.
      – Shumpert and JR Smith were also dealt too cheaply.

      Being married to the triangle and signing a rookie coach may be another big mistake.

      Phil’s big positive moves are: none.

    36. Hoolahoop:
      Agreed that Tyson was not a bad attitude guy. He was bitter though. He was pissed at the way the team was being run: switching on defense, inconsistent defensive efforts, horrible offensive plays.

      The way he played in the end of last season said it all: sulking at refs after each and every play, letting players drive to the basket at will, and generally not giving a crap.

      The trade was not a bad one for all the reasons I and others above have explained.

    37. Holy shit, Chris Bosh might have a blood clot in his lungs! Damn, that’s scary! If he does, he’s out for the rest of the year. Daaaaang.

    38. A few questions to consider.
      Is Phil lazy and unmotivated (as Bill Simmons claims), or is he a motivated GM calling every other GM, shaking the trees for deals?
      Is he an excellent evaluator of talent and team builder, or is this not his skill set?
      Is the triangle a valid offense to run in this era of the NBA?

    39. Wow. Hope he turns out well; he’s got some young kids at home. Being on anticoagulants for a long time may impede his career as well. Hopefully, it’s from air travel not some clotting disorder.

    40. Wow. Hope he turns out well; he’s got some young kids at home. Being on anticoagulants for a long time may impede his career as well. Hopefully, it’s from air travel not some clotting disorder.

      Yeah, I imagine that’s the best case scenario, that he picked it up from air travel. Well, actually, I guess the BEST case scenario is that it turns out not to be a blood clot at all!

    41. Oh man, and it was a blood clot in his lung that killed Jerome Kersey last week! This must be so scary for Bosh.

    42. JR is a below average basketball player who looks good now because he’s replacing Dion Waiters, who is a Bargs-class abomination on the court. Shumpert is a decent player who is about to be overpaid. Our assets were all shit. That’s why we sucked last, and its why we sucked this year. You can’t turn lead into gold.

    43. Thank you, dred, I don’t know who people thought we were getting for JR/Shump, who both sucked last year.

      BTW, it’s reported as a bilateral pulmonary embolism, which is more serious. Usually we start first-time PE patients on 3 months of anti-coagulants, so that’s not too long.

    44. CAA forced Phil’s hand and ran Tyson out of town

      It does make one wonder just how well Phil is equipped to deal with agents. As a coach, he probably didn’t have to deal with them much.

      On January 10th, Phil Jackson said this:

      “I do think the New York situation holds a high regard in players and agents that have contacted us. We have no lack of agents that have contacted us for their players. We still think that we have a really good chance to develop a team.”

      Not that Phil is naive or anything, but as a rookie GM, I wonder if anybody alerted him to the fact that agents like to use NY and its money to set a high price for their clients to then sign with the team that they actually want to play for… (it’s a big part of what we do here).

    45. I can see that PJ hasn’t impressed many of you so far, and I agree he hasn’t been a wizard. But he’s definitely not due an “F” for performance yet. I say this having observed decades of GMs who many times traded away the future for names that didn’t pan out or put together talented collections of individuals who didn’t fit as a team. Compared to other GMs he hasn’t really made his mark yet. Yes the team sucks big time this year, but Walsh also delivered a bad team after starting a rebuild, and he probably had a better team to start with. For another example, consider Hinkie. He just torpedoed his team again and they have been bad for at least two years. Does he get something lower than an “F”? Unfortunately, we won’t know the success of Phil’s plan until he has this summer to draft and hire; and then wait until one or two months after training camp to see how the team is doing. And even then, the improvements may not be fantastic just modest. I give Phil and “Inc” so far.

    46. It’s amazing how many trades and coaching changes GM Melo is responsible for on blogs. It makes me laugh out loud honestly. The most incredible one was trading himself to the Knicks. Who has ever traded themself before? Amazing feat by the gm

    47. I was definitely pro-PJ at first, but he kind of screwed up with Melo.

      He clearly evaluated Melo’s talent and thought it was worth megamax money. Okay, fine. Maybe he was right.

      So then we start the season, and we have the worst record in the league and in team history 2/3 through the season, and we’ve been crappy in games Melo has played. So something has to give? If Melo is really a megamax-worthy player, why are we the worst team in the league? You can say the team around him sucks, but a lot of that team is PJ’s doing. You can say the coach sucks, but that is definitely PJ’s doing. At the end of the day, something has to give. And no matter which door you choose, the cause is PJ.

      At the end of the day, his big mistake was Melo. And even though it was one move, that move carries such a high relative weight that even if all his other moves were A+’s, he would still be batting .100 overall.

    48. The Melo decision was horrible, no doubt, but I have a hard time giving him too much guff over it as I don’t think there was a scenario where the Knicks would hire a GM who wouldn’t have just given Melo whatever he asked for. There certainly were GMs out there that wouldn’t have done it, but none that would ever be hired by the Knicks. Like I said well over a year ago, the only way Melo was leaving New York was if he decided to leave New York. Otherwise, he was a lock to be offered the moon and to return. Whether Jackson was the GM or not. Jackson made it look a little worse by paying lip service to the idea that it was not a good idea to max out Melo and then went out and maxed out Melo, but that was always lip service.

    49. Thank you, dred, I don’t know who people thought we were getting for JR/Shump, who both sucked last year.

      Phil should have gotten that OKC 1st round pick in addition to the second round pick. JR is an excellent fit as a “catch and shoot” player off LBJ and Kyrie dishes. And Shump could be re-signed by going over the cap if he fared well. Cleveland was desperate to improve and keep Love so I find it hard to believe that they would have nixed the deal because of that heavily protected OKC pick. Phil folded too early on that one.

    50. So then we start the season, and we have the worst record in the league and in team history 2/3 through the season, and we’ve been crappy in games Melo has played. So something has to give? If Melo is really a megamax-worthy player, why are we the worst team in the league?

      I think this one is easy. He got hurt in game two supposedly. Remember last year Melo was beasting and we won 35 games. I think that’s the difference. A hobbled Melo wasn’t able to propel the Knicks to a few extra wins. A great Melo with and injured Tyson last year won 35 games in the east

    51. everyone just loves second guessing… i know everyone knew that chandler would bounce back and have a monster season and everyone knew jr and shump would be fantastic.. that’s pretty much where all the vitriol is stemming from.. if they were doing as poorly as they did we would only be complaining about melo somehow…

      the best thing that could have happened to us is actually happening right now… if any part of those trades didn’t occur or didn’t happen at the right time.. then we wouldn’t have pole position for the worst record… we cleaned house… we have some cap room and we are going to get a decent pick in a fantastic draft…

      everything else to me is irrelevant because the difference between getting a karl towns or deangelo russell vs. a stanley johnson is franchise changing… everything else is irrelevant… no matter how much luck or bad decisions you think it took to get to this point.. we are exactly where we need to be for this year….

    52. Like I said well over a year ago, the only way Melo was leaving New York was if he decided to leave New York.

      Agreed.
      There are many reasons to keep Melo on this roster (sign a great player who has never played on a good team, to attract FA’s who can otherwise sign elsewhere, keep butts in the stands for Dolan), but very few reasons he should have maxed him out like that. There was no way Melo was not getting re-signed.

      As to everyone else here, this is the team Jackson inherited:
      Melo
      Bargnani
      Chandler
      Felton
      Shumpert
      JR Smith
      Hardaway Jr
      Kenyon Martin
      Toure Murry
      Prigioni
      STAT
      Beno Udrih
      Jeremy Tyler

      With no 1st/2nd round picks until this year’s 1st, and 2 in the next 3 years.
      That’s no assets, no talent, no future.

    53. “He got hurt in game two supposedly.”
      You are apparently not allowed to take that into account on this site.
      By the way, I could be wrong, but I think that both Larkin and Acy will be on the team next year.
      Also, my guess is that the “OKC pick for Shumpert” ship sailed long before Jackson was in charge.
      Finally, a GM shouldn’t be judged only on the trades that he does make, but also on the trades that he doesn’t make. For example, there is little doubt that Van Gundy offered Josh Smith for Bargnani and Phil said no (which was a no-brainer), and it is likely that the Suns called Jackson to see if he was willing to match or beat the Heat’s offer for Dragic and he said no (which I am sure was a tougher call).

    54. You are only not allowed to take that he got hurt into account when questioning the wisdom of playing through to the All Star game was what I thought.

    55. By the way, I could be wrong, but I think that both Larkin and Acy will be on the team next year.

      There’s a slight possibility on Larkin’s case and a greater possibility on Acy’s case, but certainly in Larkin’s case and almost certainly in Acy’s case (like an 80% chance), they won’t be back on their current contracts. Their cap holds will surely both be renounced to create more cap room. So neither counts as an asset if they’re brought back only after first cutting them loose. You don’t cut assets, ya know? For instance, while he has very little value, Hardaway still has some value, so he won’t be cut. Larkin and Acy don’t have any value, so they’ll be renounced and then possibly resigned (more likely in Acy’s case than Larkin’s, and Larkin is only a possibility because he has been so terrible no one else will bother with him).

      Finally, a GM shouldn’t be judged only on the trades that he does make, but also on the trades that he doesn’t make. For example, there is little doubt that Van Gundy offered Josh Smith for Bargnani and Phil said no (which was a no-brainer), and it is likely that the Suns called Jackson to see if he was willing to match or beat the Heat’s offer for Dragic and he said no (which I am sure was a tougher call).

      Definitely, but you don’t seriously want to give him credit for not being dumb enough to take on Josh Smith, do you? But sure, I’ll give Jackson an attaboy for not trading the farm for Dragic. But that never really seemed to be much of a threat, I don’t think. Two first round picks?! For a guy they could just sign this offseason? For Miami it made a little sense because they couldn’t sign him this offseason, but it made no sense for the Knicks.

    56. everyone just loves second guessing… i know everyone knew that chandler would bounce back and have a monster season and everyone knew jr and shump would be fantastic.. that’s pretty much where all the vitriol is stemming from.. if they were doing as poorly as they did we would only be complaining about melo somehow…

      The JR/Shump deal was relatively criticized at the time, but you’re right that the Chandler trade was generally well received at the time. The best thing about the Chandler trade is that recently it has been retroactively knocked so that it works for an argument that Jackson never meant for it to be a good trade in the first place because he always intended to tank.

      everything else to me is irrelevant because the difference between getting a karl towns or deangelo russell vs. a stanley johnson is franchise changing… everything else is irrelevant… no matter how much luck or bad decisions you think it took to get to this point.. we are exactly where we need to be for this year….

      I agree that all of Jackson’s previous moves are fairly meaningless compared to what happens next. This offseason will be his make or break time.

    57. “Melo’s knee injury won’t get worse by playing on it” was one of the most bizarre and incredulous statements I’ve ever heard.
      The knicks must have some top notch orthopedists . . . . or a PR dept that takes it fans for idiots.

    58. “Definitely, but you don’t seriously want to give him credit for not being dumb enough to take on Josh Smith, do you?”
      I realize that it is damning him with faint praise, but it is certainly an improvement over prior regimes, who would have jumped all over the opportunity to pick up such an “asset.”

    59. Totally off on a tangent, but I couldn’t for the life of me come up with the word “renounce” earlier when I was talking about cap holds. It is so funny how sports all have these very specific terms for stuff like that.

    60. Man, Bosh is done for the year. Total rollercoaster for the 4 remaining Heat fans. Hope he can recover

    61. I did hear LeBatard say on the radio that before the Bosh news, he thought the Dragic trade was a home run, even if he doesn’t re-sign with Miami at the end of the year. His rationale was that they could have a great playoff run this year, and Riley never does well with 1st round picks anyway.

      Pretty freakin’ dumb.

    62. Yeah, that’s quite bizarre logic for being okay with dealing first round picks. Doesn’t Miami lose their first round pick this year? Philly gets it, right? That might now be a good pick.

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