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Fuck John Hollinger. And that’s not to even argue with his conclusion that the Knicks will not get to 53.5 wins. His reasoning is so fucking shallow and smacks of his long-running disdain for the Knicks.
So Mitchell Robinson missing nearly the entire season is sort of a parenthetical afterthought? Not to mention that Precious Achiuwa was also injured to start the season, leaving the team with Jericho Sims and Ariel Hukporti as the only bigs behind KAT for the first 21 games? And it’s not like Achiuwa was that good to begin with. This year we have a healthy Mitch, a guy in Yabu who is much better than Precious, and a Hukporti who is not a wide-eyed rookie.
Neither is the roster is not the same as last year’s (healthy Mitch, Clarkson, and Yabu plus more potential in players 10-14) nor is there zero room for upside. KAT was acquired on the dawn of training camp, Mikal was new to the team…and we had a coach that may not have utilized either of them optimally.
Well any team is susceptible to injuries to key players…but last year we lost our best player in Brunson for 15 games and went 9-6. Mitch is as key of a player you could have and he missed most of the season, meaning our bench depth was Payne, Shamet (he missed almost 3 months as well) and Precious fucking Achiuwa plus 4 rookies and Jericho Sims who turned into Delon Wright. What the fuck is he talking about?
I agree N.Y. was not mostly healthy last season. The injuries mostly hi our bench, but being. Without Robinson and Shamet was a big effect.
I suspect Mitchell Robinson will once again miss a lot of games.
Brogdon presents a lot of upside. His numbers last year were very good other than his 3pt shooting and 3pt shooting is what he’s best at.
I’d also bank on Brown to create more wins with a system that fits the personnel better.
I also think that there is upside in the Hukporti-Dadiet-Diawara trio…and even Evbuomwan and McCullar might have some juice as 2-way guys.
(this is my stealth way of saying that Kolek should be the one to go if we want to keep two of Brogdan, Shamet, and Matthews.)
Z-Man, copy and paste that entire thing into his Comments section and say it comes from the entire group at Knickerblogger.
Does Houston have any non-guaranteed contracts or other means to take Kolek off our hands without giving us back any real salary? Not that he would start for them, but they pretty desperately need guys who can dribble and pass the ball. (They were already thin on such players even before FVV went down, as their GM has basically gone all-in on the Mills/Perry strategy of, “What if you built the entire roster out of power forwards?”)
I mean, Hollinger is sort of correct on all his points… he just exaggerates each one (probably for clicks).
I’m not really worried about pundits or regular season win totals. I like our core and just want to see Brown maximize it.
I’m happy for Precious.
On another note, I guess Grimes is still not signed even though Philadelphia must be starting training camp since they will play us in Abu Dhabi.
Yabu could have some upside too. He had a great season last year on an absolute mess of a team, and if his shooting is real (which is TBD, so there’s also downside) he could absolutely stand to jack his 3PAr up even more.
My main gripe with Hollinger’s analysis is that he doesn’t even address the possibility that the coaching switch is additive in terms of regular season wins, even if that’s counterintuitive based on Thibs’ reputation.
Yes, Thibs wanted every last win, but that doesn’t mean he pursued that goal optimally. The mere desire does not inherently accomplish the goal, and things like our pitiful 3PAr and uncreative defensive schemes, IMO, cost us wins at least as much as Thibs’ general disposition got us them.
Hollinger follows me on BlueSky, so I could yell at him if you want. Or, at least, firmly push back on a few of his points. Probably should try to get some work done, though.
Sheesh..has anyone here seen the Zion pics from the Pels media day? He looks like he’s ready to play a true wing position. I am legit scared. Because if he stays healthy this season…shit…
It’s a precursor to his new KNICKS metric: Knicks Negative Internet ClicK Stat
It’s unfair to now criticize him for being too skinny, such is the misfortune of NBA athletes, but I do wonder how it will affect his power and ability to play through contact.
Ozempic saving his career
If there was ever a team that ever needed to change managers. I think they’ll always win games with Judge and decent pitching. But I don’t think they’ll win a WS with Boone at the helm. He just creates this flawed team (fielding, baserunning, managerial mistakes, etc.) that will self destruct in a small series. Like Thibs, he’s got these huge flaws that he will just not accept exist or attempt to fix.
I disagree that he is sort of correct, beyond the most superficial meaning of the word “correct.” He’s essentially assuming that the Knicks are not any better than they were last year because a) they had nut-job Thibs coaching like every game was game 7 of the finals, which assumes that Brown will sacrifice wins Thibs would have gotten for unspecified reasons, b) they didn’t have significant injury issues last year, c) they haven’t significantly improved our roster from last year, and d) that stagnant roster has no untapped upside. All of these points are speculative and steeped in “glass half-empty” thinking.
One could just as easily and as superficially argue that:
a) Brown will win more games because he will utilize players more efficiently and optimally, keeping them fresh both at ends of games and at the end of the season, and making them more ready to play when there are injuries
b) Mitch proved that he was past his nagging foot issues, Yabu is fully healthy compared to Precious, Clarkson is fully healthy compared to Shamet, OG has overcome his injury-prone reputation…
c) Clarkson, Yabu, Brogdan, sophomore versions of Huk, Kolek, Dadiet, rookie Diawara, etc. are significant improvements over Payne, Precious, Sims, Shamet, rookie versions of Huk, Kolek, Dadiet and McCullar, etc.
d) there is built-in upside in the chemistry and continuity of having a full season together under their belt, having a coach unlock things that were dormant, Mitch being fully recovered, Clarkson and Yabu adding scoring punch, and young players including Deuce developing further.
Ehhh I don’t think Hollinger’s piece is that bad. The line is at 53.5, and from an objective perspective the under isn’t an awful bet. You could say anything in a September article, because it’s all conjecture.
Yes from Knicks colored glasses everything is ready to improve. The coach is better, which will make the players perform better, etc. But he notes that Thibs would try to win every second of every regular season game, and that Brown might not claw at every opportunity until the playoffs. Maybe playing the 9th, 10th, and 11th guys and not Josh Hart for 37 minutes per game will cost a game or two out of 82.
Anyway, if you don’t like it, bet the over.
Again, Mike, I don’t take issue with his “under” conclusion as much as I do the flawed/superficial reasoning behind it.
If he thinks Brown is a step down from Thibs as a regular season coach, specify the reasons for it in analytical terms, rather than the shit that folks say on reddit.
If you think that the bench is not improved, specify the reasons for it, rather than talking in dismissive generalities.
He’s pawns himself off as an analyst, yet there is nothing in his article that comes across as analytical. Virtually any KBer could have written a better blurb in either direction.
I don’t think the article is bad, I tend to like Hollinger’s work, and I agree nothing he said is clearly incorrect. But leaning on Thibs’ reputation alone as a reason why the coaching switch would lead to fewer regular season wins struck me as lazy, even accounting for the low-ish standards of a preseason listicle.
For the 2-3 Alien Earth heads here (like Geo, and I think Pepper was one), I was disappointed by the last two episodes. An overwhelming and unjustifiable amount of plot armor led to a lot of narrative dead ends. Still a fan, just think they saved too much for season 2.
The only thing I’d say is if Arizona was able to win a World Series with Bob Brenly as manager then the Yankees can win one with Boone.
I just still can’t believe Boone let Rosario face a RHP in the 8th inning with Jasson on the bench and even if they countered with a LHP then he could’ve gone to Goldy who eventually replaced Rosario anyway for defensive purposes.
I think TNFH’s characterization of “lazy” is spot on, but applies to the entire piece.
I’ve sort of been making the same case as Hollinger.
My feeling has been that even though Boston and Indiana have dropped down, almost every other team in the east either has more internal youthful upside, added a top draft pick and/or had more key injuries last year than us. I also think THibs went all out in the regular season to get wins while Brown will take the superior long term approach.
I’ve simultaneously thought we got better by replacing Precious with Yabu (at least on offense), but we didn’t improve as much as some other teams. So the net of all that may not be more wins and may even be fewer.
My view has softened a bit because I like Brogdon a LOT coming off the bench. If he can remain relatively healthy, I think he’s a plus player, which is great to have coming off the bench. I also think if Brunson gets hurt for awhile he’d be a good candidate to start.
There’s obviously some serious injury risk with him, but just as a player, overall, IMO he’s way better than Clarkson.
My major concern coming into the season is the defense and whether Brown will be able to figure out the Hart, Deuce and Mitch minutes to maximize the starters and defense.
I feel like this was a very in vogue sentiment prior to Thibs getting fired, that he added an extra couple wins by squeezing that extra juice from his starters. When it comes to over/under lines, a few wins here or there is relevant.
On the other hand, you could argue that Thibs overplaying everyone ended up hurting the team or at least canceling out the advantage.
End of the day, I do generally agree with what he said, the wording is rather strong given the unaddressed counterpoints that posters here have brought up. But adding 3 wins isn’t all that easy with a largely unchanged core.
Framed differently, it seems like the assumption is that if Thibs was retained as coach, the wins projection would be higher…in other words, the implications of the coaching change is already baked in.
i am slow dripping my Alien Earth watch…trying to savor it..so only on Ep 4…also, rotation now is Gen V, terminal list -dark wolf and Sandman S2…plus all the sports starting to congeal….so I will see if I get the same vibe as you Hubie when I am through with it…
I don’t care if Boone turns into Casey Stengel overnight…if Judge doesn’t produce in the clutch…nothing else really matters (plus I don’t trust the rotation).
“But adding 3 wins isn’t all that easy with a largely unchanged core.”
Cleveland went from 48 to 64 wins with a largely unchanged core…
the espn top 100 nba’ers is out (well the final top 10 is tomorrow)…Brunson isn’t in the list yet so that must mean they rank him in top 10 ….
I would be very disappointed if the Knicks don’t increase their wins total this season, I figure anywhere between 54-56 wins. Granted just winning 50 games will be enough to be the 2/3 seed just like the past 2 seasons so in reality its not essential to increase their wins total but it would be nice to watch and enjoy a regular season where the Knicks win in the mid to high 50s.
Starting pitching has actually been a huge strength of the Yankees this season.
the post season is a different animal…its 3 dudes not a 5 man rotation and Fried and Rodon haven’t exactly sparkled in the post season historically and the 3rd is either Schittler or Gil…who knows…i hope they surprise me…
hey hubie, luv ya 😊
so I’m weird, and haven’t really had a lot of close friends…
at my last job though, was at a single spot so long got especially close with a couple of folks I felt comfortable enough with to invite over…
even an odd shoe has a match…
we got together to watch Legion, it was cool – food, friends, weed, beer and a quirky comic book show…
only time I’ve ever done that, alien earth seems like it would be fun to watch together…
hey KBA and ess-dog, hope things are groovy for you today…
I love those old black and white clips…roger miller singing king of the road, henry mancini leading the way on ed sullivan with the peter gunn theme (for some reason it makes me think of the coke heads from back in the day)…
maybe my favorite though is a young dionne warwick singing walk on by…as the caption says: impeccable
hi pepper 🌶,
sorry for being nosey, where has your time gone now that you’ve eased away from work?
I’m not sure Brown is a “better” coach than Thibs, but last year’s personnel was not really an ideal fit for Thibs’ preferred style. I’m hoping to see a faster pace, higher 3PAr, more switch-heavy defensive scheme, less reliance on drop coverage.
Seems to me the gripe against Hollinger is he said “replacing Thibs with MB will result in fewer regular season wins” without some kind of analytical evidence.
But don’t we make similar assumptions on this site every day? Or can no one say that MB should give the Knicks more wins without real data to back it up?
howdy geo…unfortunately both of my folks are not doing well (which was main reason I relocated to Phx and also am retiring in Dec)…so, I am spending more time with them..other than that just being active (vs just sitting at the desk all day) doing a lot of swimming, walking, biking, weight training, etc. but I can see (given I really haven’t been working that hard for the past year or two) it will be challenging to fill some time…I cook a lot so that will help…probably see more concerts…..hoping that they get some decent snow in northern az this winter…would really like to get a bunch of skiing in…missed that the past few years….
I’m another fan, Hubert, and agree that the last 2 episodes were underwhelming. And yeah they’re probably saving stuff for Season 2.
But episode 5 is some of the most gripping television I’ve ever seen, reminded me a little of the last hour of Aliens.
Wouldn’t data be what he did with Sac’s offense? And wouldn’t it be logical to assert that he has better players here to do something similar?
Mobley, Allen, & Garland each played 15-20 more games than they did the previous season.
I’m also pretty confident that nobody is going to have the breakout season the 25yo Garland did, jumping from a 0.2 OBPM to a 3.9 OBPM.
Same goes for the 23yo Mobley who jumped from 0.9 OBPM to 3.1 OBPM.
I tend to think Brown will improve the offense/team overall with his Xs and Os, but it’s very difficult to quantify how that would actually impact them and far from certain.
It feels much safer to say that playing your best players more minutes than the other team’s best players benefits your win total.
“But don’t we make similar assumptions on this site every day? Or can no one say that MB should give the Knicks more wins without real data to back it up?”
This conflates arguments. The question has to start with whether Thibs would have been projected to win more games with this team than with last year’s team, which I think we can assume is the case. (If you feel differently, please speak up!) Without that assumption, you can’t really say that “MB should give the team more wins” since the starting point is not necessarily 51 games.
Personally, I think that if Thibs was retained, there’s a significant chance that the wins projection for this year with the same rosterwould be up in the 55-56 range, but absolutely, positively no lower than 53.5. In other words, the MB effect is either baked in as a net loss or not at all. In either case, it becomes more about the roster and continuity than coaching.
And since injuries can’t really be assumed, it makes sense that many more games of Mitch, plus Yabu and soph Huk instead of Precious and Sims/rookie Huk, plus more continuity and cohesion of the top-7 rotation guys will more than offset any detrimental impact of swapping out Payne+Delon/Shamet for Clarkson+Brogdan/Shamet. One can do the analytics on that holding Thibs constant and then backfill the MB effect.
After reading this thread I went back and read the Hollinger bitch, and to me it’s a perfectly legitimate glass-half-empty take at this point in the pre-pre-season where really none of us know anything except Josh Hart’s finger sure looks ugly.
I think most of us here are glass-half-full people, so Hollinger’s piece is a bit jarring and annoying. As has been mentioned, I think there’s more to an extra year of experience with teammates than Hollinger gives credit for, and we expect Brown to release the Thibs straitjacket that supposedly will lead to an even more impressive offense. We will see…
Achiuwa signs with Heat for 1yr. Haven’t seen amount stated anywhere but I’m guessing a minimum.
“Mobley, Allen, & Garland each played 15-20 more games than they did the previous season.”
Mitch missed 65 games last year. Shamet missed 32. Precious missed 25. Deuce missed 18. Brunson missed 17.
“I’m also pretty confident that nobody is going to have the breakout season the 25yo Garland did, jumping from a 0.2 OBPM to a 3.9 OBPM.”
Not really a breakout season, he had a similar season in 2022-23.
In any case, we’re talking about a 16-win improvement vs. a potential 4 or 5 win improvement.
I wouldn’t really care at all if any notable analyst gave a glass-half-empty take on the Knicks if it was actually analytical. As I said, it’s a pretty lazy set of takes based on exaggerations, half-truths, and either purposeful or careless omissions. There is a hand-waving of Mitch being either injured or less than 100% effective for the entire season with only negative BPM scrubs backing him up, a doomsday assumption about our wing depth, and a complete skipping over the additions of Yabu, Clarkson, and potentially Brogdan, or the potential for gelling or internal improvement (no mention of Hukporti looking solid before he went down with a knee injury, no reason for being so down on Dadiet.)
IMO it’s extrmely diffcult to measure the impact of coaching when it comes to Xs and Os because the results are also dependent on the quality of players and whether they fit his style.
However, I think you can learn some things via observation and experience.
1. Everywhere Thibs goes his teams seem to have some success and often outperform expectations in the regular season.
2. There is at least some intuitively logical reason for that over and above him being a two time COTY (imo he got robbed of it once).
That reason is the same thing he always gets criticized for. He goes all out for wins in the regular season potentially at the cost of having tired or more injured players in the playoffs.
I don’t know if Brown is a better X’s and O’s coach than Thibs. Thibs is a tough act to follow even though IMO we needed a change. But I feel certain he’s going to manage the minutes better and give players a game off here or there to nurse minor issues. So I think that’s a small known negative for the regular season that he’ll have to overcome with an unknown of better coaching just to break even in the regular season.
I’m not the least bit worried about the regular season or what Hollinger thinks. We are going to make the payoffs unless there are multiple huge injuries. I’m worried about getting to the payoffs with a healthy team that’s just beginning to peak and be used to it’s maximum efficiency heading into them. I am fine whether we win 50, 55 or 60.
Hey Geo, things were indeed pretty groovy today, thx. Nesting in a new place. Lotta boxes to move, but dinner was a genuine family toast to the shared future.
As for MB and the Knicks’ season record, I would be delighted if he nurtured a deeper roster and some new offensive wrinkles for the post season even if we won fewer regular games in the process.
I’ve spent most of my time here whining that the regular season is for trying things and players so it’s not a surprise when you need them in the playoffs. If MB is gonna do that, I’m def here to watch.
These are very good points, EB. But Garland is interesting bc he didn’t really break out, he rebounded. His OBPM was 3.2 & 3.4 the two seasons prior to 0.2. And we have a few guys who can bounce back like that.
I think Mikal Bridges is a candidate for a jump. Sure there’s some wish casting there. He has nothing like Garland’s track record. But I’m also looking at Julius Randle as a comp. The first year in NY with a lot of pressure can be tough. And Thibs’ offense was just terrible for him.
KAT has a lot of upside, too. His 3.5 OBPM was the lowest he’s ever posted as a C since his rookie year. If we’re playing a better offense and he’s hoisting 3s like he should, he could easily clear 5.0 OBPM.
And I’ll give you one more candidate for improvement: Jalen Brunson. Last year was a down year for him, relatively. He was much better in ‘23-‘24 (5.8 bpm vs 3.3).
So IMO there’s three guys who can reasonably give us the cumulative jump that Cleveland got from Garland & Mobley.
I definitely want to drink what Hubert is drinking re Mikal, KAT, and Jalen’s improvement this year. I want to believe! (Also, I love the [new?] goat profile pic.
And — PS — my son’s (French) PE teacher told me that, over the summer, he spotted Jalen Brunson waiting at an airport baggage claim (I think at DeGaulle). He said the captain was all by himself, and no one recognized him.
The teacher is a big Knicks fan, so he took this moment and approached, praised, and got a selfie with Brunson. He also said Jalen was incredibly polite and cool about the whole thing, and it made the guy’s whole trip.
Just sayin’ — I like our guys.
I find it challenging to argue Thibs maximized regular season wins when our three best offensive players had bad years relative to their track record. Sure he stole some games with his minutes trick but hoisting threes is a much better trick. That’s why everyone else does it and only he does the minutes.
I agree that the issue is less that Hollinger is wrong (though he may be) and more that his “analysis” was…well, not much of an analysis. Reasonably speaking, we have a better bench, a healthy Mitch, and a more flexible coach. It’s entirely possible — even probable — we win many more games than 53.5. But there is a case for not doing as well. That case, however, is not anything that Hollinger said.
One obvious counter to Hollinger is, contrary to what Strat keeps saying, the East got substantially weaker this year. We lost a good chunk of games to Boston and Indiana that we aren’t likely to lose. And though Orlando got better, and I guess the Hawks, we always lose a game or two against Orlando anyway, and the Hawks are still not on our level. Detroit at best treaded water. So we should be a net positive simply because we won’t go 1-3 against each of Boston and Indiana.
If we were doing wins predictions today I’d have us between 58-60.
And call me a wide-eyed optimist but I think over 60 is more likely than under 53.5.
The tide of franchise vibes is rising.
BREAKING: Mitch wearing a blue starter’s practice jersey; Hart wearing a gray bench player’s jersey
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im always worried about getting to the payoffs
and brogdon
lots of strength and patience for spending time and helping out with the folks…spending the day with ma at some doc appointments…
I’m pretty close to feeling overwhelmed at most times…like with the kids, ma requires lots of extra paying attention, listening and helping out when needed – not always my best attributes…just keep reminding myself: it’s all good…
more food channel show watching 🙂
good for you for not waiting until the very end of employment to start watching your health more closely…wish I hadn’t let myself go so much, takes a lot longer when you’re older to make physical changes…
gave you ever gamed? lots of time can go there…
post work most of my time has gone towards health, house projects, and family/friends…
hey z-man – do you find yourself ever getting bored?
That’s that.
Yeah, I didn’t look far enough back I guess.
I’m probably being overly negative, but do share the same worries Hollinger expressed.
I didn’t realize the Knicks BPMs were so deflated.
The key behind Brunson’s dip seems to be his FGAs:
’22-’23: 18.1 fga/36, 4.4 OBPM
’23-’24: 21.8 fga/36, 6.3 OBPM
’24-’25: 18.8 fga/36, 4.7 OBPM
For reference, last year:
SGA: 22.9
Mitchell: 21.3
Curry: 20.1
Cade: 21.4
Doesn’t seem very hard to get your best player a couple more shots.
interesting because many on here think that he should distribute more and shoot less
Hey Geo, thanks for asking. Think I maybe have a slight tear in my rotator cuff, so that fn sux. Was hard enough to keep track on my own ass as it was.
Re: Brunson, I’m pretty sure I read somewhere that Brown said he was going to try and get Jalen open for more threes off the ball which makes sense because he’s a great shooter. He had over .5 more 3pt attempts per game in the 2023-4 season, which isn’t a huge difference but it’s something.
Anyway, a free flowing, ball movement offense should jive well with more than a few of our players, but I am a bit worried about KAT… I don’t think I see him as the “passing hub” in the post that Sabonis is after witnessing some of his brain farts last year, but we shall see.
I don’t think anyone thinks he should shoot less. He and KAT shoot the ball quite efficiently and the majority of the shots Brunson takes are “good” shots for him and he make them at a plus rate.
The argument is rather than pounding the ball for 15 seconds 70% of possessions (especially late in the game) maybe moving the ball and getting others more involved might take some of the pounding he takes from him and creates better shots for his teammates. Folks who are more involved in the offense tend to put more effort into playing defense.
Knicks were 6th best in the league last year when it came to DNP-INJURIES. They weren’t immune, but there’s not really much room for internal improvement there. It’s not going to be a year of everybody getting hurt but the Knicks.
Also, I think you guys are only seeing the negative that Thibs contributed without weighing any of the positives which are now gone. Brown isn’t exactly a wunderkind. He got the Kings into the playoffs once, which isn’t nothing, but he also compiled a lot of also-rans with prime LeBron.
That’s something that basically went out the window the day Randle got hurt. We either need to use Towns as a playmaker or Bridges as a secondary ballhandler to bring it back. I’d welcome either development.
Those rosters sucked, though.
I know LeBron did all the heavy lifting but I think the work MB did with that supporting cast was underrated.
What a privilege its been to watch Judge for his entire career, can’t imagine ever again rooting for a player as historical as he has been and hopefully will continue to be for the next few years.
I honestly think the line is pretty fair given the unknowns and the law of averages but I’m definitely betting the over, mainly based on continuity and the improved bench. I don’t think coaching will mean all that much, and while Indy and Boston have had setbacks, other teams in the East have improved.
so the line is at 53.5…over seems like a fairly safe bet…
things go well, I could see us between 55 and 58 wins this season…
before I forget ess-dog, thought I had a rotator cuff situation (may or may not have mentally blamed one of the kids for wearing my shoulder down to the bone playing catch, for hours, and hours, days and days, months and months)…anyways, turned out it was upper biceps tendinosis…
once I had some med folks explain the thing was able to rehab pretty good…
don’t be a dumbass like me, waited ’til I had trouble lifting my arm (took some years) before I went to go check it out…two working arms are better than one…
Just to elaborate, this is a veteran team with some chemistry and deep playoff experience. They might have actually been a bit overcoached last year. Thibs would always preach “the game will tell you what to do” but yet his rigid positional principles and constant bellowing didn’t seem to allow for a whole lot of creativity. Brown says the same shit, but perhaps he will open some doors that were shut last year. He was talking about getting guys to run hard to the corners…seems pretty basic but never heard Thibs put it quite that way.
To be fair, only 3 teams won more games than the projected line last year… that’s pretty good! TBH idc if we win a few more or less than that.
And thanks Geo, going to the ortho next week.
it’s hard for me to imagine attending a basketball practice with a healthy mitchell robinson and not think that guy should be the starting center…
looking forward to that KAT/yabu combo – a lot, but only for maybe 8 minutes or so a game…
probably biggest curiosity for me early on is whether huk is in the rotation…meaning almost full time power forward KAT…
if we can start the year with a solid front court rotation of KAT/mitch and yabu/huk that would be cool…
Yankees win their 90th game, so much for the under…
I wish they had resolved more of this season’s arcs in Alien Earth but I’m still loving the show and I’m really interested to see how season 2 pans out, they set up a real doozy of a cliffhanger. Don’t want to spoil anything specific but I’m thinking next season is going to be the siege of Waco from hell and I dig that.