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I don’t agree with this. When you are considering which development project players to keep, redundancy isn’t the deciding factor when they are third or lower down on the depth chart. You want to keep the ones with the best development potential. If that means you will eventually have too many good players at one position then you make the trade once they have developed.
Raven: “Of course this might alter the look of historic threads, at least the tail end of them. But let the people who end up writing PhDs and books about Knickerblogger worry about that…”
GoNYGoNYGo: “…or create a “politics” thread.”
A political thread seems the best way, and maybe Mike can put the link always available, like Bagel Radio and the Discord channel.
By the way, Mike, i’m listening to Bagel Radio and i’m liking it so far. 😉
The only wings on our roster over 6’4″ are OG, Mikal, and Dadiet.
We have bigs who play PF like KAT & Yabu. We have shorter wings like Hart and Shamet. But we have few big wings and even Mikal defends more like a guard.
From the Nets article linked above
I’d like to keep Dadiet and see how he does but the writing seems to be on the wall
Kawhi update:
I am shocked — shocked! — that Pablo Torre withheld three pages of salient facts that would have blunted the shocking value of his story.
Friendly reminder as we collectively concede our 2024 draft picks are worthless: there were at least 4 guys (possibly 6) Leon could have drafted who are ready to be part of NBA rotations right now.
The ’24 draft may not have been a catastrophic failure like 2021 and 2022, but it was a significant one. The depth we don’t have now should have been acquired then, and we’ll likely never make up the loss.
A bit of an overstatement?
Dadiet was an 18 yr old that missed the middle third of the season with a turf toe/foot sprain and who knows if he was “Anthony Volpe” healthy when he returned. Hukporti played quite well his last few games before sustaining a knee injury. He also missed an entire year of development with an Achilles tear. I don’t know why the infamous hive mind would think these folks are worthless. With Kolek you have a better argument due to his age, experience in college and his lack of foot speed.
Potentially. Although I think we can say with a high degree of certainty that you’re unlikely to get even a second round pick in the trade market for any of these guys, which does fit the definition of worthless.
It remains to be seen if we valued anything about Dadiet besides his willingness to sign for 80% of his salary slot. But if we’re willing to give him away for nothing to create a roster spot for someone like Malcolm Brogdon or Landry Shamet then we have a definitive answer.
I would like to think Dadiet is not worthless but so far the only two statistics that indicate potential are his age and height.
Well…. it depends….
If the dump Dadiet so they can add a 15th man, I would agree they feel him worthless, or
It would be a prima facie case that your position that Leon isn’t very smart would be correct.
Victory can be declared either way 🙂
This has never been my position.
My position is that Leon is a constant blunder machine on NBA Draft Day, and that those blunders (which many say are insignificant and should be swept under the rug) will be the biggest reason the Knicks fail to win a championship.
Everyone except Strat and the belligerent principal accepts 2021 was a colossal failure by now. 2022 is surprisingly still up for debate in some circles, even after the player we could have drafted was just the 2nd most valuable player on an NBA champion. But 2024 is being completely ignored, and it shouldn’t be because it was a very consequential miss.
“ as we collectively concede our 2024 draft picks are worthless…”
After one year, too early to say that. What you can probably conclude after one year is that there were some better players you could have drafted.
But let’s not throw 20 year old Dadiet into the zero value category. Below market contract for a 25 pick. Nothing to indicate clear flaws in his game that caps him out as a non rotation player. If he were on a different team last year, where he would have gotten more PT without the GLeague shuttle he could be vying for a rotation spot.
That said, if we need to move him (I think he’ll easily fetch a 2nd, which then could be the Kolek sweetener) to make room for a couple of our non guaranteed training camp invitees (assuming Brogdon is non guaranteed at this point?) can easily support the move.
Edit: slow to reply…others already covered this better than me.
Dadiet just turned 20, so still has that lottery scratch ticket shine to him. I’d just hang onto him and park him at the back of the roster for a couple more years and see if he turns into something. Flipping him for a 15th man seems like a shortsighted idea.
His current value is zero.
His potential value is nonzero.
His current value is zero.
Agree to disagree. Think his potential value will allow us to currently fetch a second or be a value piece in a trade.
Very few players are proven rotation players before year 2 training camp begins. Those that are can’t be known with any certainty. For the players available at our draft slots, Tyler Kolek had as strong a claim as anyone to be the most NBA-ready.
GM’s do not have crystal balls.
I have a good friend who like me is a Raiders fan. When the Raiders trade away first round picks for mediocre QBs or for veteran diva WRs, I always get mad. But my friend always makes the point “they just would have picked somebody shitty with those picks anyway.” And really I have no comeback for that.
And the only guards under 6’3” are Brunson, Deuce, and Kolek.
@iserp,
We can try to defend Giannis or LeBron with someone who is 6’3″ or 6’4″, but I’d rather someone taller.
On the other hand, I’m not sure what advantage you’re seeking by asking for our guards to be shorter.
Greetings from Lisbon! I see that the hyperbole machine is on quite a roll today!
Just to be clear, I don’t think any of the draft day stuff was anything to get bent out of shape about other than taking Obi over Hali. Still, Obi, IQ, Grimes, and Deuce are all good rotation players.
I have a much bigger problem with what Leon did with those players other than Deuce than I have with the picks and draft day moves.
I have a much, much bigger problem with trading 5 unprotected firsts for a non-all-star level player. If we fail to win a championship, that, and the pairing of Brunson and KAT, as well as the short-sightedness of iHart’s deal, are likely to be the primary reasons. The sub-optimal draft day stuff is pretty far down the list for me.
I didn’t like Kolek all that much at draft time (unlike Mr. Hand-Wringer himself) and would have taken Dunn and Filipowski. Still, Dadiet was a nice upside pick and Huk looks like a steal.
I havent seen a thing from Dadief to give me any hope.
He could work out though.
F*ck, looks like I’m on Dadiet Island. Spaces available. And help needed!
Dadiet looked pretty good in his one summer league appearance this year. He also showed good defensive footwork in some of his NBA games, along with an ability to finish with both hands. I think it would be incredibly foolish to trade him in any move to add a minimum salary vet.
Kolek is older, smaller, less athletic, hasn’t shot particularly well, and is likely to be mercilessly targeted on D. Maybe he shows something in preseason, knowing that he’s playing for his roster spot. If he continues to struggle, he’d be my choice to jettison.
But I’d rather keep both and just roster Diawara. I truly believe that he is going to develop rapidly into a plus emergency defensive wing who might be able to help in spot minutes this year, especially if his shot and ball skills develop at all.
In other words, let Shamet and Brogdon battle it out for the last vet’s minimum spot and keep all of the kids.
I’m on Dadiet Island, in party because he’s shown a few things here and there that could add up to a rotation player, but also because there is no more valuable player in the NBA than a 6’7″ wing who can shoot and defend.
I will admit I don’t fully understand the workings of the salary cap as it pertains to the guys who wet are using to fill out the back end of the roster, but if I had a choice between potentially one last good year of Brogdon versus Tyler Kolek’s upside, I’d gamble on Brogdon. Brogdon is brittle and he’s 33, but he’s one year removed from a 2.0 BPM season (in limited minutes because of injuries of course) and two years removed from a 6MOY season. He’s a competent player when he gets on the floor. I could absolutely see him playing useful playoff minutes.
The Knicks will have a 1RP and 2 2RPs next year if they want to draft a developmental PG for the future. I think you can find PG prospects of Kolek’s quality fairly easily.
I’m on Dadiet Island
Phew
Torre did report Kawhi’s (very minimal) obligations under the contract. He literally read them all out loud in the first episode.
He also reported on additional language in the contract that said Kawhi didn’t have to do any of them if they conflicted with his “beliefs,” and that he did not in fact do any of them.
The drip drip drip without an effective (despite $$$ to do so) countering drip drip tells me Silver has got something he can’t brush away.
So my understanding is that Leon and Mike don’t have to make a decision about final roster construction until the end of preseason, and if that’s true, I don’t have anywhere near enough information to have an informed opinion. It’s been a couple of months since summer league, so all of the young players may have worked on their games and might not be the players we remember from then.
A well informed friend, someone who knows an owner and his associates, thinks Ballmer will be forced to sell.
Which I would find very surprising. But he knows more than I do for sure.
This is a preposterous statement.
Actually no, it isn’t. I thought you said “has” not “had”, and by the time I noticed the 5 minutes had expired. Carry on.
Pablo continues to have the receipts:
https://x.com/pablotorre/status/1966981945767981355?s=46&t=mhUnoqe17aQ9qM7P-jrKqA
Anybody want to talk about the Mets? No? Me neither.
Anytime I complain about the Yankees to calm myself down I tell myself at least I’m not a Mets fan.
But seriously I can’t believe the Mets current collapse, still think they’ll get the final Wild Card spot though.
big news of the day: i have officially made it to the other side of the DayZ map…
only took me a few weeks to learn how to stay alive for the 10 mile or so journey, just “gearing up” and jogging from the east coast of the map, where you spawn, and making it across the map took pretty much about six hours…
there are vehicles in the game, but that’s higher level kind of stuff to use those, i’m just getting okay making fire and fishing…plus almost all the “good” gear is on the west side of the map…
each map instance of the game fits 60 players, those “full” maps are kind of brutal though, been staying on low player population (10 or so players) maps and trying to avoid other players all together…there is in-game voice chat available, which works to diffuse situations sometimes, often though around the player spawn areas it’s attack first worry about it later…further inland, folks are often just hunting other players for gear or fun…
figured out how to mostly not die by hunger/thirst/disease – the zombies though are still giving me fits, one of them is mostly manageable, but bad news if there’s more than that though – run away, if possible…
also, if i don’t find a compass early in the game, good chance i’ll end up walking in circles, ugh, that’s happened way too much…
still haven’t really started using any guns, every time you use them it attracts both a bunch of zombies, and worse yet other players…carry them, just don’t use them…
The wheels fell off the Mets quite a while ago. They’re 14-29 in their last 43 games, that’s a .333 pace over a quarter of the season. This ain’t their year.
The one silver lining is that this is the most successful year they’ve had in terms of developing prospects that I can remember, with a really good mix of 50 FV type pitching prospects and position players in AAA and AA. They’ll have some holes to fill next year but they should have some good cost-controlled talent coming through the pipeline in the next few years.