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if simmons can get more than the minimum in sacramento not sure why he would want to come here also we know that his head issues seem to come from having a lot of pressure on him where would he have more pressure between a contending team expected to go far in the playoffs in the largest media market in the country or toiling away in relative anonymity in the very small market of sacramento seems like a no brainer that the new york knicks would not be the place for him
The Orlando Magic have signed Orlando Robinson. The earth is officially healing.
LOL. Orlando should go for all players named Orlando, that would be fun. đ
Just to clarify the Knicks roster status, the Knicks still need to sign two full time players and three two-way players. I would think McCullar would be one of those since the Knicks made him a qualifying offer for a two way contract. At least one player added to the regular roster has to be on a genuine rookie first year contract. That could be Diawara. Could it also be Nnaji or McCullar?
My hope is that Diawara gets the full rookie contract and the three two ways include McCullar, Pate, and someone that didn’t play for our SL team, since everyone other than those 3 guys looked like they will never play a meaningful minute in the NBA.
Well, Orlando Woolridge is out since he passed away in 2012 at age 51. Hard to believe since he was such a fearsome athletic specimen. Also Willis Reed’s cousin.
McCullar was on the Knicks’ active roster last season, so he can’t receive a rookie minimum.
Nnaji can receive the rookie minimum. He was dealing with back tightness, but I didn’t think he look good enough for the SL.
Of our rookie options at SL, Diawara looked the most ready to contribute at an NBA level. I’d consider giving it to Pate if another team offered him the rookie, since we’d retain exclusive rights to Diawara anyway. It should probably be Diawara.
Don’t we have to make a Bridges decision this summer? I see no favorable outcome if we kick the can down the road.
1. If he plays well and we’re forced to pay him OG Anunoby money, we’re fucked.
2. If he plays well and another team convinces him to leave for a bigger role, we’re fucked.
3. If he plays poorly and we’ve lost the opportunity to trade him for players who can help us, we’re fucked.
4. If he doesn’t like Mike Brown, either, we’re fucked.
Thanks EB. If I had to choose between Diawara and Nnaji for the rookie minimum, Iâd pick Diawara too.
I think I we have to offer Diawara something because if you donât sign a draft pick when heâs here and ready to play (i.e not signed overseas like a draft and stash) you lose your rights to him. But I think it could be a two way contract instead of rookie scale and weâd keep our draft rights.
Yeah, I listened to a podcast yesterday that said it could be:
(1) waiting to make sure there isn’t a trade opportunity, as we can’t trade Mikal immediately after signing it, or
(2) Mikal wants to wait because the no trade period would take him through the deadline if he waits long enough, so the Knicks couldn’t trade him somewhere he doesn’t want to be for the next 4 years.
We need to keep his salary alive if nothing else, so we should probably extend him.
Mitch can also be extended and that’s trickier because of his injury history.
The Mikal trade is the gift that keeps on giving. I’m already thinking about the suffering Knicks fans are doomed to endure on draft day 2031.
Here’s to hoping that he glues all the random puzzle pieces from last year together into a cohesive all-star season or two. C’mon Mikal, no more fucking around.
“I think I we have to offer Diawara something because if you donât sign a draft pick when heâs here and ready to play (i.e not signed overseas like a draft and stash) you lose your rights to him.”
If I’m not mistaken, this is not true, at least for second round picks. Otherwise, why wouldn’t any player demand to be signed or cut, like Rokas?
It sucks for Mitch but it seems like weâre better off waiting. Although it could be helpful just to have his salary even if he is injured.
I thought teams had exclusive rights for at least 1 year on any of their draft picks unless they renounce those rights.
I think ideally they want to make one more big move. One or both of Mitch and Mikal are the most likely trade chips. I feel confident they have a few players in mind, but those players have to become available and you have to agree on price. We don’t have much pick value to throw around to sweeten a deal and get the “target” anymore.
I also think Mikal was not happy in NY last year. So maybe he wants to see what it’s like playing under Brown instead of Thibs before deciding what to do.
Mitch is very tricky.
We need him as the backup C and next to Towns against some matchups right now, but there are trade scenarios where Towns is back at starting C and we have a new PF that would probably work if we found the right PF.
I don’t know all the trade rules, but unless something great comes along, my preference would be to see what this team looks like under Brown. I want to see how well Towns/Mitch work together under him and whether he can get Mikal’s efficiency up a tick. Then if necessary pull the emergency chord before the deadline.
“…but there are trade scenarios where Towns is back at starting C and we have a new PF that would probably work if we found the right PF.”
That would be Anthony Davis, but he’s old and brittle and not available, so you probably need to find a new topic.
i thought that it was guerschon yabusele hes a new chord (b seventh)
the athletic has an article today about whether the suns trade for beal and the bucks trade for lillard qualify as worst trades in nba history (especially considering what was given up and the fact that neither player is on the acquiring team anymore)
âI think I we have to offer Diawara something because if you donât sign a draft pick when heâs here and ready to play (i.e not signed overseas like a draft and stash) you lose your rights to him.â
If Iâm not mistaken, this is not true, at least for second round picks. Otherwise, why wouldnât any player demand to be signed or cut, like Rokas?
we do have to make a required tender for diawara by august 10th, unless he agrees to sign internationally and toll the requirement. and if rokas ever notified us formally he wanted to (and was contractually able to) come to the league, we’d have to make him a required tender as well or he’d be free the following summer. he presumably hasn’t done so because he thinks his chances of getting interest elsewhere isn’t better than his chance of being a coveted member of the knicks draft rights bin.
“I thought teams had exclusive rights for at least 1 year on any of their draft picks unless they renounce those rights.”
Never mind, PT answered the question.
“he presumably hasnât done so because he thinks his chances of getting interest elsewhere isnât better than his chance of being a coveted member of the knicks draft rights bin.”
But why would a player agree to be “controlled” by a given team rather than come over, claim to be “contractually able to” play in the NBA, and force a team to either tender him or renounce him?
Yeah I think we’re in a tough spot. Mikal has way too much leverage for a guy who isn’t that great. It’s like OG all over again. But with him it might be role more than money.
This summer seems like the only good time for us to resolve this, and if we can’t do it favorably we ought to bite the bullet.
Simmons or Shamet?
IMO, asking if theyâre playable in the playoffs is not the right question. Any role player, your 10th guy, is potentially going to be unplayable at some point in the playoff.
Simmons pros – defense is elite, pg and playmaking skills, versatile.
Simmons cons – offense, mental fortitude, potential locker room issues.
Shamet pros – shooting is elite, good lockeroom guy and existing chemistry with the core.
Shamet cons – not a PG (so youâre betting on Kolek, Clarkson and McBride being able to fill that backup pg role, positionallt limited (heâs fine in D but undersized for a wing).
IMO, Simmons seems like the low floor, high ceiling guy and maybe you take the gamble bc if it works out, itâs a huge upgrade for us. But his limited offense makes it hard to play him with Mitch and Hart. And it could blow up badly.
Shamet is the safer bet but leaves us vulnerable in the back up PG role.
Not sure what the move is. Maybe Brogdon, lol.
Re: Mitch’s injury history, a lot depends on a) whether or not he finally fully recovered from the ankle injury of the last two years, and b) how culpable you think the organization (primarily the training staff) was in clearing him for the games he got reinjured in.
Because a deeper dive into his injury history before that is surprisingly reassuring. From 2019 to 2023, his lower body has been sturdy. He missed 8 games with an ankle sprain once, other than that all the multi-game injuries were caused by random things like fractured hands, sprained thumbs, and concussion protocols. (There were some single game absences due to lower body issues but not many.)
Dude’s still just 27 years old. I think there’s a solid chance that with this new medical staff we can reasonably expect a Mitch renaissance. If they say he’s healed, I’d be comfortable taking advantage of this opportunity to “pull a Deuce”, so to speak, and offer him some security in exchange for a team-friendly deal.
(Although I hate being in a position where I want Mitch to not get paid, especially after seeing on instagram that he reupholstered the inside of his black maserati in a shade of leather that can best be described as vagina pink.)
https://dailyknicks.com/posts/mitchell-robinson-injury-history-every-ailment-knicks-center-missed-time-for
Guys, LOVING Andor.
I realized I never finished season 1. So that was awesome. On to season 2.
The way the Disney app serves ads is driving me bonkers. Truly terrible.
Hubie, didn’t Mitch break his foot late late in the 2020-21 season? And was in walking boot entering next season’s training camp?
According to the link:
2020-21
Feb. 12, 2021: Left game with hand injury, missed 14 games with fractured right hand
March 29, 2021: Underwent hand surgery, missed last 23 regular-season game and first-round of playoffs
the word foot does not appear anywhere on that web page
If Mikal plays like he did last year they should just dump him at the deadline and move on, those picks are already out the door. (this is assuming he’s not willing to take a huge paycut)
PT, since we have rights to Nnaji and he is here and available do we also have to make a required tender offer to him to keep his draft rights?
Also, I am assuming a two way way offer is enough, it doesnât have to be a full roster spot.
I thought season 2 started kind of slow but it picks up
Season 1 kind of started slow too so not worried about it
Itâs incredible they can make a show like this yet made so much other mediocre Star Wars content. A sentiment I know many have expressed but I feel it too.
We don’t. Rokas played on our summer league team and went back to Europe, and we still have his rights.
“the word foot does not appear anywhere on that web page”
It should because he broke his foot on March 28, 2021 after breaking his hand earlier in the season. Notable for the Derrick Rose post game interview when he learned about it.
i dont know what to say about the webpage didnt create it didnt share it shrug emoji
im still annoyed about moses brown and his 22.6 points and 23.8 rebounds per 36 for the rockets over five games in summer league
Alan, but Rokas has a European contract. Nnaji doesnât. Per Wikipedia
Of course, Nnaji could sign again with Barcelona or some other European team, but if he doesnât, we might have offer him something to keep his draft rights
I didn’t see that injury on the list but I suppose if he broke his foot while already out with the fractured hand they wouldn’t have added it.
EDIT: you are correct. The article states he underwent hand surgergy on Mar 29, 2021, but he actually broke his foot against the Bucks on Mar 27, 2021. And yeah that changes the math.
it is up to nnaji. it’s not about him merely being here and available. he has the right to formally notify the knicks of his availability and make a bona fide offer to negotiate a deal. if they then fail to make a required tender he will be free, somewhere between almost immediately and within 12 months depending on the timing of notification. itâs unusual for players to push this option and typically if the knicks say no the player will just try to get an international gig and allow tolling, but it’s up to him under article X section 5 now that he’s opted out of his barcelona deal.
I was pro-Mikal but agreed that that final pick was a terrible concession. Would have been a bridge(s) too far for me. Of course, even without that pick the trade wouldn’t look great now, but that’s the one that haunts me.. .
“im still annoyed about moses brown and his 22.6 points and 23.8 rebounds per 36 for the rockets over five games in summer league”
yea we shuda maxd him doh
Not the dreaded Amin7 (9)
What PT said, Knick Fan.
“itâs unusual for players to push this option and typically if the knicks say no the player will just try to get an international gig and allow tolling”
Again, it does not make any sense to me that a player would not force a team’s hand in order to either secure a roster spot or break free from any obligation. Is there some sort of Euro buyout advantage if an NBA team holds a player’s rights?
Alternatively, is it possible that the Knicks did offer Rokas a 2-way spot (and that other NBA teams would similarly offer their “stashes” a 2-way spot but the players refused because it was far less money than they could earn overseas, and that the “refused” offer in and of itself extends the draft rights?
I like to imagine that Andor and Rogue One are the prequels to the original trilogy and nothing else ever happened.
I NEED IT LIKE I NEED AIR TO BREATE
Cue Jane’s Addiction!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPrv-pshdYI
“Again, it does not make any sense to me that a player would not force a teamâs hand in order to either secure a roster spot or break free from any obligation. Is there some sort of Euro buyout advantage if an NBA team holds a playerâs rights?”
If I were in Rokas-type shoes, having an NBA team own my NBA rights would seem to be good thing. When negotiating a contract with some Euro team, they have a slight bit more info and likelihood of a buyout (which they all want despite what they might say) so I have a better negotiating position.
So if the starting point is my play actually did not warrant a roster spot, forcing their hand when they already decided no seems like odds are they cut me loose.
If we hire Prigs, maybe he can teach Deuce his patented “steal the inbounds pass after a made basket” move.
That always made me smile during the darkest days of Knicks fandom.
In the movie City Slickers, there is a character who can pair the perfect after dinner ice cream with any meal. Everybody is really impressed with this guy, even though no one is actually eating the meals and trying the ice cream. Billy Crystal finally asks âhow do you know heâs right?â The guyâs partner says âhe just is!â.
I think of that scene every time pt posts here.
Alternatively, is it possible that the Knicks did offer Rokas a 2-way spot (and that other NBA teams would similarly offer their âstashesâ a 2-way spot but the players refused because it was far less money than they could earn overseas, and that the ârefusedâ offer in and of itself extends the draft rights?
no a two way doesn’t qualify as a required tender
I think of that scene every time pt posts here.
wait, you’re deeply engaged in connecting the elusive knickerblogger billy crystal movie dots and didn’t come up with the long anticipated forget paris sequel where mickey is stuck in the san fernando valley with ellen and their 18 adopted kids with his only respite being daily posting to an obscure nba refereeing blog despite not having seen a game since quitting in the 90s and thus being only vaguely aware of the gather rule?
I think the reason players whose draft rights are owned never really force the hand of the NBA team who owns them is because, if I’m not mistaken, a one-year minimum offer satisfies the required tender. So the player can take it or leave it, but at that point they may have foregone a contract with a team overseas (or paid for an expensive buyout) because I think being unsigned is a prerequisite to the notification process. Rokas or Nnaji have little to gain by being on the roster for the minimum for a year, rarely playing, and then being an RFA.
So it seems most beneficial to the player to actually raise their value to the point where the team that owns their rights actually wants to entice them with a good offer.
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