Please go read the last few posts of the previous thread, i think it’s worth it.
Folks, Knicks are favorites to win the Eastern Conference going into next season. This is very rare and Leon needs to be (…) appreciated.
I’m with Director, Leon is doing a good job. Is it a perfect job, even not counting the Mikal trade? No, it isn’t. But we’re right there contending to get out of the east and reach the Finals, so i don’t get the constant bashing on the man as if he is doing a job on the same level as Phil or Mills.
And of course, the Mikal trade can go down as the reason that prevented the Knicks from getting to the promise land, so there’s blunders also.
There’s a chance he can rebound from that, if a superstar becomes available (i’m counting on your work during the summer, KYN).
I am with you Cyber, and I guess Director. It’s a mixed bag for sure but five years ago there is no way I would have projected the Knicks to be in the position they are now.
I’d also be surprised if the Cavs aren’t the actual favorites for the sharps. Just seem like a better team.
Yeah, cyber, Director, and Owen. There’s lots of stuff Leon could have done better, but getting us back to at least where we generally were in the ‘90s is certainly worth celebrating.
Re: Cavs, I’m dreading the thought of a LeBron homecoming, but aside from that, I think we are as good.
And hey, Cooper Flagg can be good in Summer League.
He is super young too. Not turning 19 until December. It’s impressive what he is doing while still not close to peak physicality.
There’s no need for dogmatism, Cyber. Leon’s done good work that should be appreciated and bad work that should be criticized.
He’s been good enough to swim with the sharks but he’s getting badly outmaneuvered by Sam Presti, Kevin Pritchard, Brad Stephens, Rafael Stone, etc now that he’s here. His shortcomings were as critical to us coming up short as KAT’s defense.
The games that are played in May & June are usually won now and before the deadline by the GMs. And the superior work of other GMs is the reason teams like the Celtics and Pacers and Cavs vaulted past us in the East, and why the Thunder (and likely now the Rockets) did it in the west.
Pritchard vs Leon was more consequential the last two years than Brunson vs Halliburton.
You’re welcome to appreciate Leon. I don’t tell people they can’t. But Thibs got us this far, too, and the same exact people telling me to appreciate Leon told me to appreciate Thibs. Right up until they all started quoting everything I ever said about him while calling for his head.
I didn’t call for Thibs’ head, although i thought maybe it was time for a change. I even got a little sad when he was let go.
I’m sad to see Thibs go, i like him and he deserves a huge thank you for the outstanding work in bringing this team back to respectability. And leaving the team as one of the 4 best teams in the league, from where he started? It’s truly amazing.
At the same time, i think something had to give, either Thibs would be let go, or we needed to change the roster significantly…
He’s been good enough to swim with the sharks but he’s getting badly outmaneuvered by Sam Presti, Kevin Pritchard, Brad Stephens, Rafael Ston
Speaking of Pritchard, I’m actually really curious how Indy does without Myles. I don’t think they’ve brought in anyone on his level but Huff and Isaiah Jackson are both young and intriguing. One of them will need to take a step forward to replicate last year’s success.
Weird. I thought we beat Boston in the playoffs and now they’re blowing it up and rebuilding. I didn’t realize they had vaulted past us.
My hot take for the day:
I think Mitch’s health, fitness and how he’s used is going to be the key to the season. He’s the potential upside compared to last season unless you think Mike Brown can make a significant difference (I don’t).
Of course it’s always possible Mitch could be traded or part of a trade. If so, I’ll adjust my thinking. But right now I think if Mitch has a big year and is healthy we can have a very good year, but if he’s hurt and struggling, I think we are likely to have a disappointing year.
Sinner vs Alcaraz is pretty good so far.
We (along with Cleveland) might be favorites in the East, and Leon has done a good job overall (which we should appreciate), but I think the East will be a lot closer than it might seem at first.
Indy’s guys, especially Mathurin, could hit another level next year; Cade probably has another level to reach, as do Detroit’s young wings; does Maxey have another level? Even without Embiid, they have good young players now; hell, Charlotte now has a lot of good, young talent. At least one or two young teams will surprise the league this year to some degree.
That’s the nature of “the window”… it passes by fast! And 2025-26 might be our best shot considering the ages of our core group.
“ but he’s getting badly outmaneuvered by Sam Presti, Kevin Pritchard, Brad Stephens, Rafael Stone, etc now that he’s here. His shortcomings were as critical to us coming up short as KAT’s defense.”
Sorry, got to call this out as the non-E inanest comment of the year. Yes , Presti out manoeuvred us with Kemba, but when did Stephen’s or Pritchard? They are arguably better GMs, but what they inherited vs today, to say Leon has been outmanoeuvred is just trying to be argumentative.
Likewise enjoying Wimbledon.
Likewise appreciate Leon and wonder who wins our collective vote for best Knicks GM since, say, the championship years?
Also agree this year may be our best chance to win one with this core. And I really can’t say enough about how our team’s good health (luck?) contributed to our success last season. Let’s hope for more of the same this year. Go Dallas physio guys 😉
I’m pleased that Leon has left us with the argument of whether he has been completely outplayed and left lying in a puddle of his own urine on the floor of the mezzanine, or if we’re first or second to come out of the east this coming season.
Continue being outplayed, Leon! It seems to be working…
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Please go read the last few posts of the previous thread, i think it’s worth it.
I’m with Director, Leon is doing a good job. Is it a perfect job, even not counting the Mikal trade? No, it isn’t. But we’re right there contending to get out of the east and reach the Finals, so i don’t get the constant bashing on the man as if he is doing a job on the same level as Phil or Mills.
And of course, the Mikal trade can go down as the reason that prevented the Knicks from getting to the promise land, so there’s blunders also.
There’s a chance he can rebound from that, if a superstar becomes available (i’m counting on your work during the summer, KYN).
I am with you Cyber, and I guess Director. It’s a mixed bag for sure but five years ago there is no way I would have projected the Knicks to be in the position they are now.
I’d also be surprised if the Cavs aren’t the actual favorites for the sharps. Just seem like a better team.
Yeah, cyber, Director, and Owen. There’s lots of stuff Leon could have done better, but getting us back to at least where we generally were in the ‘90s is certainly worth celebrating.
Re: Cavs, I’m dreading the thought of a LeBron homecoming, but aside from that, I think we are as good.
And hey, Cooper Flagg can be good in Summer League.
He is super young too. Not turning 19 until December. It’s impressive what he is doing while still not close to peak physicality.
Here are some under/over estimates for next year.
https://dknetwork.draftkings.com/2025/07/06/2025-26-win-totals-odds-for-each-nba-team/
Knicks are at 52.5
Cavs 55.5
There’s no need for dogmatism, Cyber. Leon’s done good work that should be appreciated and bad work that should be criticized.
He’s been good enough to swim with the sharks but he’s getting badly outmaneuvered by Sam Presti, Kevin Pritchard, Brad Stephens, Rafael Stone, etc now that he’s here. His shortcomings were as critical to us coming up short as KAT’s defense.
The games that are played in May & June are usually won now and before the deadline by the GMs. And the superior work of other GMs is the reason teams like the Celtics and Pacers and Cavs vaulted past us in the East, and why the Thunder (and likely now the Rockets) did it in the west.
Pritchard vs Leon was more consequential the last two years than Brunson vs Halliburton.
You’re welcome to appreciate Leon. I don’t tell people they can’t. But Thibs got us this far, too, and the same exact people telling me to appreciate Leon told me to appreciate Thibs. Right up until they all started quoting everything I ever said about him while calling for his head.
I didn’t call for Thibs’ head, although i thought maybe it was time for a change. I even got a little sad when he was let go.
Speaking of Pritchard, I’m actually really curious how Indy does without Myles. I don’t think they’ve brought in anyone on his level but Huff and Isaiah Jackson are both young and intriguing. One of them will need to take a step forward to replicate last year’s success.
Weird. I thought we beat Boston in the playoffs and now they’re blowing it up and rebuilding. I didn’t realize they had vaulted past us.
My hot take for the day:
I think Mitch’s health, fitness and how he’s used is going to be the key to the season. He’s the potential upside compared to last season unless you think Mike Brown can make a significant difference (I don’t).
Of course it’s always possible Mitch could be traded or part of a trade. If so, I’ll adjust my thinking. But right now I think if Mitch has a big year and is healthy we can have a very good year, but if he’s hurt and struggling, I think we are likely to have a disappointing year.
Sinner vs Alcaraz is pretty good so far.
We (along with Cleveland) might be favorites in the East, and Leon has done a good job overall (which we should appreciate), but I think the East will be a lot closer than it might seem at first.
Indy’s guys, especially Mathurin, could hit another level next year; Cade probably has another level to reach, as do Detroit’s young wings; does Maxey have another level? Even without Embiid, they have good young players now; hell, Charlotte now has a lot of good, young talent. At least one or two young teams will surprise the league this year to some degree.
That’s the nature of “the window”… it passes by fast! And 2025-26 might be our best shot considering the ages of our core group.
“ but he’s getting badly outmaneuvered by Sam Presti, Kevin Pritchard, Brad Stephens, Rafael Stone, etc now that he’s here. His shortcomings were as critical to us coming up short as KAT’s defense.”
Sorry, got to call this out as the non-E inanest comment of the year. Yes , Presti out manoeuvred us with Kemba, but when did Stephen’s or Pritchard? They are arguably better GMs, but what they inherited vs today, to say Leon has been outmanoeuvred is just trying to be argumentative.
Likewise enjoying Wimbledon.
Likewise appreciate Leon and wonder who wins our collective vote for best Knicks GM since, say, the championship years?
Also agree this year may be our best chance to win one with this core. And I really can’t say enough about how our team’s good health (luck?) contributed to our success last season. Let’s hope for more of the same this year. Go Dallas physio guys 😉
I’m pleased that Leon has left us with the argument of whether he has been completely outplayed and left lying in a puddle of his own urine on the floor of the mezzanine, or if we’re first or second to come out of the east this coming season.
Continue being outplayed, Leon! It seems to be working…
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