Also those picks weren’t very good, (compare the Rockets who had 4 top 5 picks the last 5 years while the Knicks had zero) the only way it works is if you do the thing where we make the perfect pick and then somehow keep losing the same number of games year after year despite picking the perfect player every time
Uh, no, bc 8 of the 13 picks weren’t ours.
And please don’t play the picks weren’t good game. I’m not even talking about how we whiffed on Halliburton, Johnson, and Williams here. I’m talking about getting guys who could fill out the 9th, 10th, and 11th spots better than guys like Clarkson. There countless guys like that available over the years for us to take.
Okay, now is the right day to say it:
Huk Huk!
I don’t think Cooper Flagg, high volume scorer, is going to be a thing, if last night’s Summer League game is any indication.
I watch zero college basketball, but none of the Flagg scouting reports suggested he was the kind of guy you could run an offense through. That said, Kawhi isn’t really that guy, either, and the healthy version of Kawhi is a monster.
Also, apropos of nothing, every year there are a couple of nights of “The Night Shift” at the WSOP Main Event. That’s the commentary duo of Ali Nejad and Nick Schulman on PokerGo. Ali is a long time poker journalist. Nick is a poker legend and shortly to be a Hall of Famer. He might also be the coolest man alive.
Only duo I might put up against Clyde and Breen.
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Yeah, Flagg seems more of a do-everything guy with great defense. Maybe he was just forcing things for the fans. Competitive game though.
Also apropos of nothing outside of just another sign of the apocalypse, does anyone here actually click on stories that have the word “Bronny” in the headline?
I did read or hear something yesterday about Flagg taking a game or two to get it going when he was scrimmaging against team USA
Never been interested in Bronny except in how he muddles the Nature vs Nurture debate
I read the ESPN article about Flagg’s debut. Apparently, Kidd asked that Flagg play a lot of point guard. Kidd also wanted him to try new things in general. That’s got to be a big change for Flagg (As far as I know he’s a six foot eight guy who played forward in college). So I’m not disappointed in his scoring at all. A new position, especially point guard, is a lot to handle.
Oh, and one other thing. I can’t imagine Thibideau suggesting something like that.
Was it Kidd who played Giannis at PG? He wasn’t very good but maybe it helped him develop
When you are an all-star point guard, every player is a nail…
Alright, yeah, fair enough about Flagg. That is interesting he was put in a different role.
It’s funny how Summer League can turn out to be somewhat predictive. More than people would think.
Did have 3 steals and a block
Owen does this american have any shot at beating Carlitos?
It’s funny how Summer League can turn out to be somewhat predictive. More than people would think.
I’m still scarred from having this thought in 2010: “You know, I’m almost glad LeBron didn’t sign here, because instead we did the David Lee sign-and-trade, and Anthony Randolph has looked like a monster in summer league!”
My mental check on summer league results is that year we played Cole Aldritch one game and he looked like prime shaq
I spent $89 on Kevin Knox jersey in the summer of ‘18. And I don’t even have the guns for a tank top.
I’d be overjoyed if any of our SL guys inspired me to pay $89 on a jersey this year. I don’t think this SL will be pretty.
My most traumatic SL memory is from 2008 when Gallo got run over by Robert “Tractor” Taylor (RIP) and fucked up his back.
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Wasn’t Daymean Dotson also a summer league standout?
Summer league is about as predictive as 5th grade travel basketball.
just noticed the game is on at 6pm est on nba TV and espn +…even though it may not be exceptionally noteworthy I’ll still be checking in…
My 6 year old son has been a standout on the peewee court at Stuyvesant Town this summer.
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Okay, so here’s the dream outcome for this SL roster. You tell me in what order you would be most excited about each of these thing:
1. Kolek is not only able to playmake at will for his teammates against these weird defenses, but looks for his own shot a lot.
2. Dadiet’s shot falls a bunch and he looks like he knows what he’s doing on defense.
3. Huk goes all Mitch in his second summer league.
4. James Nnaji goes all Summer League 2 Mitch.
5. McCullar stays healthy and he’s both willing and able to shoot a bit from outside.
6. Diawara looks like he might be playable in the NBA within a year or three.
7. Beauchamp and/or Watson look like they might be decent in case of emergency options for the deep deep bench.
I will also allow other options if you have them. Like, “Luka Scuka balls out.” Or a similar one for Dink Pate that I wrote about Diawara.
Lost a lot of interest in Dink Pate when I found out Dink is his nickname, not his given name. Could have been the best Knick moniker since Harthorne Wingo (RIP).
Like your 1-5. If Kolek or Dadiet make a leap that is huge for our depth, especially since the injury gods seldom give teams 2 good years in a row.
Not sure any Knick has announced himself quite the way Mitch did in SL. His athleticism was so otherworldly it was quite notable.
Would love it if anyone could repeat that impression. Why not Dink.
I do actually think Summer League can matter. You can tell a lot more about a basketball player in a small sample than someone in any other major sport, even against that kind of competition. 5 games of stats is not nothing.
I know it sounds stupid but a lot of times the red flag that gets raised is very meaningful. I remember Anthony Bennett absolutely sucking in SL – he shot like 35% or something and it was absolutely a harbinger.
I expect Flagg to be very very good though. All Star for sure by year 3. He should come back strong in next game.
As for Kolek, not sure he will ever be able to defend enough. But I love him.
Owen, I think playing terribly in summer league is much more of a tell than playing well. Again, I point to Ant Rand, Kevin Knox, etc. It’s such a chaotic style of play that some guys can do things they’ll never be able to against real competition playing real systems. But on the other hand, if you just look like you don’t belong in summer league — particularly if you’re not a teenager and/or it’s not your first SL — that’s a big red flag.
I’d be the most excited about Dadiet but I think Kolek is the most important one.
I want to see Dadiet drive a few times more than I want to see him shoot well. The shooting will most likely come around, but there’s a potential (but unlikely) ceiling where he can do more than shoot 3s.
McCullar would have to shoot a lot from outside for me to be happy. Shooting a little bit in SL wouldn’t mean that much. If he could shoot and stay healthy, he’d have been a 1st round pick.
Dotson was a cromulent player for several years in the NBA, which is what you’re trying to find in SL, especially from a 2nd rd draft pick.
I don’t think SL stats matter much, more interested in things like footwork, iso defense, athleticism, motor, toughness, b-ball IQ, etc.
Guys are hyped, nervous, either over-or under-aggressive, spacing is terrible, sets are sloppy, fouls are plentiful…they’re just glorified pickup games. But sometimes you can see some little things that either confirm or challenge preconceptions.
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Uh, no, bc 8 of the 13 picks weren’t ours.
And please don’t play the picks weren’t good game. I’m not even talking about how we whiffed on Halliburton, Johnson, and Williams here. I’m talking about getting guys who could fill out the 9th, 10th, and 11th spots better than guys like Clarkson. There countless guys like that available over the years for us to take.
Okay, now is the right day to say it:
Huk Huk!
I don’t think Cooper Flagg, high volume scorer, is going to be a thing, if last night’s Summer League game is any indication.
I watch zero college basketball, but none of the Flagg scouting reports suggested he was the kind of guy you could run an offense through. That said, Kawhi isn’t really that guy, either, and the healthy version of Kawhi is a monster.
Also, apropos of nothing, every year there are a couple of nights of “The Night Shift” at the WSOP Main Event. That’s the commentary duo of Ali Nejad and Nick Schulman on PokerGo. Ali is a long time poker journalist. Nick is a poker legend and shortly to be a Hall of Famer. He might also be the coolest man alive.
Only duo I might put up against Clyde and Breen.
Yeah, Flagg seems more of a do-everything guy with great defense. Maybe he was just forcing things for the fans. Competitive game though.
Also apropos of nothing outside of just another sign of the apocalypse, does anyone here actually click on stories that have the word “Bronny” in the headline?
I did read or hear something yesterday about Flagg taking a game or two to get it going when he was scrimmaging against team USA
Never been interested in Bronny except in how he muddles the Nature vs Nurture debate
I read the ESPN article about Flagg’s debut. Apparently, Kidd asked that Flagg play a lot of point guard. Kidd also wanted him to try new things in general. That’s got to be a big change for Flagg (As far as I know he’s a six foot eight guy who played forward in college). So I’m not disappointed in his scoring at all. A new position, especially point guard, is a lot to handle.
Oh, and one other thing. I can’t imagine Thibideau suggesting something like that.
Was it Kidd who played Giannis at PG? He wasn’t very good but maybe it helped him develop
When you are an all-star point guard, every player is a nail…
Alright, yeah, fair enough about Flagg. That is interesting he was put in a different role.
It’s funny how Summer League can turn out to be somewhat predictive. More than people would think.
Did have 3 steals and a block
Owen does this american have any shot at beating Carlitos?
I’m still scarred from having this thought in 2010: “You know, I’m almost glad LeBron didn’t sign here, because instead we did the David Lee sign-and-trade, and Anthony Randolph has looked like a monster in summer league!”
My mental check on summer league results is that year we played Cole Aldritch one game and he looked like prime shaq
I spent $89 on Kevin Knox jersey in the summer of ‘18. And I don’t even have the guns for a tank top.
I’d be overjoyed if any of our SL guys inspired me to pay $89 on a jersey this year. I don’t think this SL will be pretty.
My most traumatic SL memory is from 2008 when Gallo got run over by Robert “Tractor” Taylor (RIP) and fucked up his back.
Wasn’t Daymean Dotson also a summer league standout?
Summer league is about as predictive as 5th grade travel basketball.
just noticed the game is on at 6pm est on nba TV and espn +…even though it may not be exceptionally noteworthy I’ll still be checking in…
My 6 year old son has been a standout on the peewee court at Stuyvesant Town this summer.
Okay, so here’s the dream outcome for this SL roster. You tell me in what order you would be most excited about each of these thing:
1. Kolek is not only able to playmake at will for his teammates against these weird defenses, but looks for his own shot a lot.
2. Dadiet’s shot falls a bunch and he looks like he knows what he’s doing on defense.
3. Huk goes all Mitch in his second summer league.
4. James Nnaji goes all Summer League 2 Mitch.
5. McCullar stays healthy and he’s both willing and able to shoot a bit from outside.
6. Diawara looks like he might be playable in the NBA within a year or three.
7. Beauchamp and/or Watson look like they might be decent in case of emergency options for the deep deep bench.
I will also allow other options if you have them. Like, “Luka Scuka balls out.” Or a similar one for Dink Pate that I wrote about Diawara.
Lost a lot of interest in Dink Pate when I found out Dink is his nickname, not his given name. Could have been the best Knick moniker since Harthorne Wingo (RIP).
Like your 1-5. If Kolek or Dadiet make a leap that is huge for our depth, especially since the injury gods seldom give teams 2 good years in a row.
Not sure any Knick has announced himself quite the way Mitch did in SL. His athleticism was so otherworldly it was quite notable.
Would love it if anyone could repeat that impression. Why not Dink.
I do actually think Summer League can matter. You can tell a lot more about a basketball player in a small sample than someone in any other major sport, even against that kind of competition. 5 games of stats is not nothing.
I know it sounds stupid but a lot of times the red flag that gets raised is very meaningful. I remember Anthony Bennett absolutely sucking in SL – he shot like 35% or something and it was absolutely a harbinger.
I expect Flagg to be very very good though. All Star for sure by year 3. He should come back strong in next game.
As for Kolek, not sure he will ever be able to defend enough. But I love him.
Owen, I think playing terribly in summer league is much more of a tell than playing well. Again, I point to Ant Rand, Kevin Knox, etc. It’s such a chaotic style of play that some guys can do things they’ll never be able to against real competition playing real systems. But on the other hand, if you just look like you don’t belong in summer league — particularly if you’re not a teenager and/or it’s not your first SL — that’s a big red flag.
I’d be the most excited about Dadiet but I think Kolek is the most important one.
I want to see Dadiet drive a few times more than I want to see him shoot well. The shooting will most likely come around, but there’s a potential (but unlikely) ceiling where he can do more than shoot 3s.
McCullar would have to shoot a lot from outside for me to be happy. Shooting a little bit in SL wouldn’t mean that much. If he could shoot and stay healthy, he’d have been a 1st round pick.
Dotson was a cromulent player for several years in the NBA, which is what you’re trying to find in SL, especially from a 2nd rd draft pick.
I don’t think SL stats matter much, more interested in things like footwork, iso defense, athleticism, motor, toughness, b-ball IQ, etc.
Guys are hyped, nervous, either over-or under-aggressive, spacing is terrible, sets are sloppy, fouls are plentiful…they’re just glorified pickup games. But sometimes you can see some little things that either confirm or challenge preconceptions.
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