Knicks Morning News (2015.10.23)

  • [New York Daily News] Afflalo injured, Knicks fall to Celtics in preseason finale (Fri, 23 Oct 2015 02:03:50 GMT)

    In the process of getting dressed down by the Celtics in their final dress rehearsal, the Knicks may have lost a starter.

  • [New York Times] Uncertainty and Edginess for Thunder Star Kevin Durant (Fri, 23 Oct 2015 06:45:40 GMT)

    It’s still the preseason, and Kevin Durant already is tired of answering questions.

  • [New York Times] Griffin Scores 22, Clippers Down Trail Blazers 115-109 (Fri, 23 Oct 2015 05:15:32 GMT)

    Blake Griffin scored 22 points and Paul Pierce had 19 as the Los Angeles Clippers defeated the Portland Trail Blazers 115-109 in the preseason finale for both teams on Thursday night.

  • [New York Times] Warriors Rout Lakers 136-97 in Preseason Finale for Both (Fri, 23 Oct 2015 04:48:34 GMT)

    Stephen Curry and Klay Thompson each scored 24 points and Harrison Barnes had 23 as the Golden State Warriors routed the Los Angeles Lakers 136-97 on Thursday night in the last preseason game for both teams.

  • [New York Times] Sports Briefing | Basketball: Lamar Odom’s Speech Improves (Fri, 23 Oct 2015 04:41:01 GMT)

    Odom, the former N.B.A. player and reality television star, was improving as he underwent therapy in Los Angeles more than a week after he was found unconscious in a Nevada brothel.

  • [New York Times] Burke Scores 17 to Lead Jazz to 98-78 Win Over Nuggets (Fri, 23 Oct 2015 03:42:37 GMT)

    Trey Burke scored 17 and Rudy Gobert had 14 points and 11 rebounds to lead the Utah Jazz to a 98-78 preseason win over the Denver Nuggets on Thursday night.

  • [New York Times] Celtics 99, Knicks 85 (Exhibition): Knicks Show Little Cohesion in Last Tuneup Before Opener (Fri, 23 Oct 2015 03:14:24 GMT)

    The Knicks, who are scheduled to open the regular season Wednesday night against the Milwaukee Bucks, lost to the Celtics to conclude an uneven preseason.

  • [New York Times] Sullinger Scores 16 to Lead Celtics to 99-85 Win Over Knicks (Fri, 23 Oct 2015 02:12:47 GMT)

    Jared Sullinger had 16 points and eight rebounds to help lead the Boston Celtics to a 99-85 preseason victory over the New York Knicks on Thursday night.

  • 31 replies on “Knicks Morning News (2015.10.23)”

    My observations about the game yesterday:
    – Porzingis will rebound and when his shot starts landing he’ll be special but far from the superstud he’ll be in 2-3 years.
    – Melo had an off night. Credit Crowder for being on him like white on rice.
    – Robin Lopez might be a defensive stalwart in the paint but when the man he’s assigned to guard sprints down the court, he can’t cover. That happened twice during the game and the team started to argue about who’s responsibility it was. Fisher has to figure something out because that’s a defensive hole.
    – Teams are going to take advantage of Calderon’s poor defensive. It’s a real issue. He’s too slow to cover an NBA point guard. On the offensive end he can score from the perimeter. He drove the lane a couple of times but he needs to do that more to get to the line.
    – Derrick Williams is a steal. I didn’t realize how good he could be. Most NBA teams didn’t either. I think he could finally meet his expectations.

    From the Post:

    Fisher said Afflalo exceeded his minutes limit on Thursday, but talked his way back into the lineup after halftime. Afflalo left the court less than three minutes into the third quarter.

    It’s hard to protect players from themselves

    It’s hard to protect players from themselves

    Honestly Fisher should just leave and never come back. A coach letting a player play past the minutes limit designated by the medical staff in a fucking preseason game is just too embarrassing for words. Doing it in a regular season game would be dumb. But a preseason game? Boggles the mind.

    Also from The Post (headline):

    “Afflalo injury, Porzingis fouls: it all goes wrong in Knicks’ tuneup”

    Yup, Berman nailed it again, pretty much an unmitigated disaster last night. My over/under is now 10 wins, and that’s if everyone stays healthy.

    It was a loss on the road against a playoff team we beat a week earlier at home. That’s not unusual in the NBA. And we battled back to stay in it until the scrubs went in. It wasn’t that bad.

    @6 I was being sarcastic, Berman is the lowest form of sportswriter troll (or maybe 2nd lowest to Isola)

    Last nights game was not a fun watch. However, some good things on display:

    1. Calderon’s offense – Far more aggressive creating his own shot and still ran the offense well.
    2. D-Will’s Shot – Okay, I’ve seen enough to be convinced that the guy has legit 3 point range.
    Galloway’s D – The guy really is becoming who we thought Shump might be. If he had Shump’s size…oh boy!
    3. Zingis is REALLY tall…

    The not so good:
    1. Melo’s shot selection – C’mon Melo, don’t get caught up in trying to prove that Crowder can’t stop you…Crowder does guard him better than most.

    2. Zingis’ conditioning and response time – Maybe it was me but there were times last night that Zingis seemed winded, like really winded, more dramatically than others on the floor for similar minutes. Another thing I’ve noticed (as was mentioned by another poster), his response to missed shots just seems a beat slower than the other athletes around him. Be that as it may, he is still really really tall.

    3. Seraphin – What happened to the fluid post player and active low post defender from the first couple of games? Now he just seems like a black hole on offense and isn’t putting forth the same intensity on the other end…

    Just my 2 cents…

    “Afflalo injury, Porzingis fouls: it all goes wrong in Knicks’ tuneup”
    I think that a more accurate headline about Porzingis’s performance last night might be, “Despite obvious growing pains (like getting knocked flat on his butt once while trying to box out), Porzingis shows impressive array of skills.” He really did show some serious versatility on offense — drive to the rim from the three point line, put-back dunk, beautiful low post turnaround jump shot, several nice assists, including one out of a double team in the post, etc. Even if the Knicks stink this year, watching him develop (hopefully) as the season progresses is going to be really interesting.

    Seraphin – What happened to the fluid post player and active low post defender from the first couple of games? Now he just seems like a black hole on offense and isn’t putting forth the same intensity on the other end…

    Who knows? Probably has something to do with him eating all the croissants this offseason. He can shoot in the post, but he’s spent a lot of his career outside the paint bricking jumpshots.

    @6 I was being sarcastic, Berman is the lowest form of sportswriter troll (or maybe 2nd lowest to Isola)

    There was a hilarious bit recently where someone noticed that the hyperlink for a NY Post article did not match the ultimate headline. The hyperlink (which would be the original headline) was something like “Knicks show reason for optimism” and the actual headline was something like “Derek Fisher has problems”

    That game was what I expect a lot of Porzingis’s rookie season to be in microcosm: some foul trouble and other bumps, but also occasional moments promising the greatness to come, like when he essentially did the Dream Shake.

    Sasha didn’t play even with the Afflalo injury, which is interesting, rotation prediction-wise.


    NYK announced today that the team has waived Thanasis Antetokounmpo, Darion Atkins and DaJuan Summers, Travis Trice II and Wesley Saunders.

    I would assume Atkins, Summers, Trice, and Saunders are headed to Westchester. We now have our answer on Antetokounmpo, and also on whether any of our other NBADL guys had a chance to stick on the main roster.

    So now we watch the waiver wire…

    Come on, other team roster crunches! Ian Begley thinks Thanasis will sign with the Knicks’ D-League team. I don’t think that there’s any chance of that happening. He has to be piiiised. He could go play in Europe or if he wanted to play in the D-League, he could find another team to play for.

    I really wish I knew which other teams were going through roster crunches.

    Let’s hope some other teams have better quality roster crunches than we do. At least we’ve got some guys to keep on eye on playing for the Westies.

    The fact that Thanasis (and the other D-Leaguers, for that matter) got partially guaranteed contracts, in an attempt to game the NBADL salary system, might be enough to keep him around. But given the sacrifice he made last season, I imagine, like Brian, that he’d be pissed. But the beat writers may be more plugged in than we are.

    They’re going to pick up somebody, right? Otherwise they would’ve just kept Thanasis?

    People really hating on the Raptors this season. I wouldn’t be surprised if they underachieved, I guess, but I think Miami is more likely to collapse.

    That leaves the Knicks with 14 players and room for one more. They could have kept one of the five, but my suspicion is that they are giving them all a chance to catch on with another team. That would be very Jacksonian. It seems unlikely to me that they will catch on with some other team, because most teams have more than 15 in preseason and now have to cut down by Monday; but there’s still hope. And, as mentioned, they could certainly catch on with D-League teams, and not necessarily with the Westies.

    I do like that they have one empty roster spot though. That gives them flexibility to make moves during the season.

    As criminal as it is to say, this roster screams to be coached by ISO Woodson. ISO Melo and ISO Zinger every other time down the floor and have Calderon/Aflalo to shoot the 3’s on the rotations out of the double teams and Lopez/Oquinn to bang/set picks/board.

    Zinger is going to be one of the 5 best players in the league in short order. Never has a skillset ever been in a 7-2 frame with a positive attitude and work ethic.

    @#4 nicely put, to risk a starter’s health in a preseason game is idiotic. Fisher may turn into the Knicks biggest weakness if he doesn’t start making better decisions immediately.

    That may be a function of Fisher being barely older than the players. Two years ago he was just one of the guys. Now he’s in a position of authority. He may have trouble saying no to vets like Afflalo.

    That may be one reason why Kidd bailed on an old team in Brooklyn to coach a very young team in Milwaukee.

    It’s worth watching out for whether Fisher gets pushed around by older guys.

    Robin Lopez, who looked like butt in yesterday’s game, is also dealing with some “undisclosed” injury, which he described as “regular wear and tear.” We’re in game 0 of the season. Not exactly a time you want to hear your big free agent signing complaining about “wear and tear.”

    To be fair, I don’t think Fisher or anyone else said that the medical staff put a limit on Afflalo’s minutes. Fisher said, “I had him slotted for 16 minutes,” and not that the medical staff had him slotted for 16 minutes. In retrospect, it was a bad decision to put him back in but it does not appear that Fisher ignored the doctors.

    I am curious about what the cut players will do. I liked Trice (as did some of you) but he doesn’t fit the big PG profile that PJ wants and maybe he signs elsewhere. I would love to see him on the Westchester roster.

    Supposedly, Wesley Saunders will sign with Westchester.

    The Spurs cut Jimmer Fredette. I don’t get warm and fuzzy feelings about him on the Knicks. Is anyone interested in a mad ball chucker?

    I think Atkins, Saunders and Summers came to the Knicks specifically to play for their D-League team. Trice was an interesting find, who might find an offer elsewhere, but if not, he’ll play for the D-League team. Thanasis, though, if he plays in the D-League, why play for the Knicks? He played for $25,000 last year! Yes, they already tripled that by bringing him to camp this year, but there’s no way he can’t beat that money in Europe and if he just really wants a chance at an NBA roster, there are other D-Leagues.

    Fisher said, “I had him slotted for 16 minutes,” and not that the medical staff had him slotted for 16 minutes. In retrospect, it was a bad decision to put him back in but it does not appear that Fisher ignored the doctors.

    I don’t blame Fisher either. The extra couple of minutes did not really cause the injury. If not today, then it goes in Game 1. The problem is that most treatments focus on the ….well….the hamstrings when it should be focusing on the cause. In fast moving sports like basketball, the hamstrings (there are actually 5 of them) major function to assist the ilio-psoas in hip flexion. When the I-P is weak, tight and/or has other dysfunction, the hamstring eventually overloads. This is the most common cause of hamstring problems. There are many other less common causes such as eccentric deceleration of knee extension, concentric knee flexion among others. Be it this or one of the minor causes, recurrent injuries suggest that the cause was not addressed. If AA wants to be on the road to recovery, the medical staff needs to address the cause rather than standard rehab of the hamstrings themselves.

    I agree. If a guy can play 16 mins but not 20, he shouldn’t be playing at all, especially in a worthless preseason game.

    And I’ve said it here before, but I really don’t understand the supposed correlation between injury and minutes. The risk of injuring something is the same in minute one as it is in minute 15 and minute 20. How can you draw an arbitrary cutoff of when you expect the injury to occur in a basketball game?

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