2014-15 Game Thread: Knicks vs. Celtics

Tonight is a very important game in Tankathon 2015, as Danny Ainge has historically demonstrated an inordinate ability to have the Celtics tank really well. The Knicks are still seven behind the Celtics but the Celtics are 3-7 in their last 10 as opposed to the Knicks’ 5-5 and they are sinking fast. If the Knicks can pull off a loss tonight, that would be big in the tanking department.

Let’s go! Knicks?

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48 thoughts to “2014-15 Game Thread: Knicks vs. Celtics”

  1. I may be crazy, but I feel like Boston has at least 3 turnovers where a player was just like ‘nah, I’m not catching this easy pass’.

  2. Wait, I thought they were sending Early to the minors?

    Looks like someone else “Wear”d out their welcome… Get it, guys?

  3. Jason Smith is on a hot streak! Everything else he does is terrible, but at least he’s hitting his shots!

  4. I don’t think that getting blown out at home, by a team that can’t beat anybody, with Carmelo Anthony on the floor, is good for this team, either short term or long term.

  5. Big ups to Jah for outrebounding Langston at this point. Come on, Western bubble teams-he’s cheap, he’s big, he’s just the stretch 4 you need for you bench unit! Think about the spacing!

  6. Speaking of near comebacks, the Sixers seem like they’re thinking “Oh crap, we can’t win this.”

  7. Celtics have a few decent pieces. Nothing special! But Crowder and Sullinger looked decent albeit against Jah

  8. Now that I am realizing the Lou Amundson/Jason Smith frontcourt is pretty much gonna be getting 60 minutes per game the rest of the season, I am feeling pretty good about ping pong balls.

  9. Man, it boggles the mind to think of who Boston can get if they package a bunch of their picks.

  10. Man, it boggles the mind to think of who Boston can get if they package a bunch of their picks.

    Hmm, I wonder if they could get Melo.

  11. Jason and Calderon trying to turn themselves into trade assets. Smith is turning into an assist machine.

  12. Man, it boggles the mind to think of who Boston can get if they package a bunch of their picks.

    Who? Cause the names we heard tossed around on yesterday’s thread as “available for super high draft picks” were pretty uninspiring, no?

    (Edit: oh, do you mean package them up to move up to the #1 pick? Yeah, that’s something to consider I guess)

  13. I never thought the day would come when I would be less than ambivalent about a loss to the Celts.

  14. boston for all their accolades in getting picks have about as tough a road as us in getting to a competitive level… the picks will help but i think they missed on smart and sullinger is an ok-ish player and everyone else is pretty dull…

    ainge’s draft record isn’t great…

  15. Went to the game tonight. The kids playing a quarter at halftime were awesome and the 8-year old kid that won the mini slam-dunk contest did a between the legs dunk after the girl before him did a cartwheel before her dunk. Great stuff. Oh, the Knicks? They stunk up the joint.

  16. Pretty acceptable loss, I think the Knicks actually played pretty hard but Sullinger and Bradley basically didn’t miss. And Hardaway didn’t suck, so maybe he’s still moveable?

    Re: all those Celtics picks, it seems like every one has an asterisk, for instance, their first rounder from Minnesota is protected 1-12 in 2015 and 2016 and becomes a 2nd rounder after that, and their 2015 pick from Philly is lottery protected 1-14.

    So there are lot of bells and whistles to sort through for any team looking to deal with Boston.

  17. Re: all those Celtics picks, it seems like every one has an asterisk, for instance, their first rounder from Minnesota is protected 1-12 in 2015 and 2016 and becomes a 2nd rounder after that, and their 2015 pick from Philly is lottery protected 1-14. So there are lot of bells and whistles to sort through for any team looking to deal with Boston.

    They don’t all have asterisks. They own their own pick this summer, plus the Clippers 1st rounder.

    Next year they own their own pick, plus the Nets 1st rounder.

    In 2018 they own their own pick, plus the Nets 1st rounder.

    Then, you throw in the half-dozen 1st rounders with various protections on them over the next few years.

    So they have a lot to work with.

    And so does Philadelphia, which means the balance of power in the Atlantic is going to shift, and the Knicks will be struggling to keep up. If they’re not going to trade Anthony for 1st round picks, then Phil Jackson has got to strike hard and fast, putting a winner together in the next 1-2 years. Not sure how he does that in any realistic scenario, save for trading this year’s high pick for a current star, should one become available.

  18. And in 2017, they have the right to switch picks with the Nets, so that right can be traded, as well, and that’s a suuuuuper valuable right.

  19. the sixers have more interesting pieces than the celts and hinkie’s better at the draft than ainge so i’m more fearful of them than anything …. but even they are very far off from competing with what they have… esp if embiid becomes a lost cause…

    with so many great players in this year’s draft this could be a pivotal point for a lot of teams… esp since the last two have been mediocre…

  20. I do agree about that – this draft is sick. There are years where Russell would be a legitimate option for #1!!

  21. So, if the Knicks have the number 2 pick, and the Sixers or Celtics offer them the number 5 pick plus a pick in the low 20’s this year and a first rounder next year, do you say yes or no? (Assuming Okafor is not available.). I think I say yes.

  22. Fascinating offer. It really comes down to just what you think of Towns. I think Towns is a franchise-altering player. The #5 pick might get you such a player, as well, but not with the certainty of Towns. But the #5 pick and what likely amounts to a lottery pick the following year plus a pick in the 20s? Wow…that’s tough. I guess I say yes, too, and then hope like hell that Towns doesn’t pan out. ;)

  23. A first for three firsts, one in the top five? Give give give. Even if it means not taking any between Okafor and Towns. I would be opposed to the swap only if we picked Mudiay.

  24. Fascinating offer. It really comes down to just what you think of Towns. I think Towns is a franchise-altering player.

    I would also say that I’m starting again to have faith in Phil, and his comments in the interview a few days ago were quite coherent with what he did through his career. So it’s possible that we need more multiple pieces than a single one. I don’t know. It just seems that Fisher is starting to figure out something, and if that’s the case I want more contributors to the cause (not Mudiay, though. I’m not hating on him. I just think that he would be exactly the type of player who doesn’t fit in the Triangle).

    Sidenote: I think we should try to fetch Mitch McGary from OKC, if he’s available.

  25. I was thinking about the Chris Webber trade, as that’s the only other trade that seems comparable to dealing Towns for a #5 pick, a #20 pick and a 2016 likely lottery pick. Oddly enough, that deal ended up resulting in Penny Hardaway, Todd Fuller, Vince Carter and Mike Miller. Holy shit!!

  26. Whoa! Still, it would have been better if Todd’s surname was Filler. That would have been quite poetic.

  27. They may have picks. Sacramento, Charlotte, Philadelphia all have top picks but they still suck.
    I have a feeling that our team will be a beast in the east for the rest of Melo contract.
    Melo
    Draft pick
    Quality signing that would be enough in the east.

  28. Penny Hardaway for Chris Webber.

    Wow! :)

    But honestly for me we should tank to get the top 1 or 2 picks and DONT trade that pick. There is no second coming of Penny here. We can get ala Deon Waiters if we pick lower than 2,

  29. “Fascinating offer. It really comes down to just what you think of Towns. I think Towns is a franchise-altering player. The #5 pick might get you such a player, as well,”
    The reason I said the #5 pick instead of the #4 pick is because, if it’s the #4 pick, you are guaranteed one of Okafor, Towns, Russell or Johnson, all of whom most people seem to really like. With the #5 pick, you might end up with Mudiay, whom most people on this site seem pretty down on. I don’t think that picks in the late first round are nearly as valuable as trade chips as a lot of people think that they are, since it took two of them for the Cavs to get Mozgov. There will be a lot of good debate around here over the next several months. I am glad that I am not the one making the decisions for the Knicks because my track record as a pretend GM is not so hot.

  30. I really don’t get the Mudiay hate on this site. None of us know the first thing about him other than what is written on DraftExpress, and even they have had him consistently in the top 3. He was pretty much a consensus top 2 or 3 high school player in this class. Has amazing body control in scoring in traffic. Draws fouls like crazy, which is a big need for this team, since no one will call a foul for Melo when he gets hacked at the rim (that’s really getting ridiculous by the way). He’s big, supposedly plays defense, and likes to pass. Is it just because he had a TS of 54 and a usage of 30 in China?

  31. I just think Mudiay plays a game that’s not really needed in the Triangle (athletic PG who can’t shoot but drives at will and scores at the rim). I say Mudiay has much less value for us than for, say, almost everyone else in the NBA. We need post players (both for scoring and passing) and/or good outside shooters. I think Mudiay is not that kind of player.

  32. I just think Mudiay plays a game that’s not really needed in the Triangle (athletic PG who can’t shoot but drives at will and scores at the rim). I say Mudiay has much less value for us than for, say, almost everyone else in the NBA. We need post players (both for scoring and passing) and/or good outside shooters. I think Mudiay is not that kind of player.

    I would hate it if we had a high draft pick and then draft for need.

    I have no idea of what Mudiay will become; but i think the hate here is because he draws comparisons to knucklehead shoot-first guys. I would look into what type of person Mudiay is. If he has the right mentality, he looks like he has the right tools to become a great PG. Efficiency is always important, but if he is aware that he is not the most efficient player, it is not such a big burden (things like not shooting long 2s early in the shot clock, etc.)

  33. re:the Trade in @31

    That is a great trade. Our #1 this year for Boston’s #1 + the Clippers #1 + the Nets 2016 #1? That is a great, great reward for sucking. Talk about franchise-changing? The Knicks could even score in Free-Agency, make the playoffs, and still have a lottery pick next year. Yes!!

    The biggest downside is that the #2 pick is then in the division (Boston), which isn’t the best place to toss it to, but hey, beggars can’t be choosers!

    (Btw, Philadelphia, given the same scenario, couldn’t offer 2 picks this year and 1 next year, per Stepian)

  34. I would hate it if we had a high draft pick and then draft for need.

    I would hate it too. But I see the next draft as composed by these tiers:

    1 – Okafor, Towns (future franchise centers?)
    2 – Russell, Johnson (almost surefire playoff starters in the NBA in 2-3 years)
    3 – Turner, Mudiay (potential! also good players)
    4 – Cauley-Stein, Winslow, Kaminsky (limited players, but could be good in the right situation)
    5 – Hezonja, Porzingis (who knows, Euro players are almost always good with fundamentals, but struggle mightily right out of the doors and sometimes whimper out)

    So, if we have pick #6 I say draft for talent and pick Mudiay. If we have pick #1-4 I say pick other guys. If we picked #5 I’d still pick Turner, but that’s just my opinion.

  35. great pgs should be on teams where they handle the ball a lot… the triangle forces most of the action towards the post players….

    he could be fantastic but if we are going to continue with this triangle bidness and have melo then this might not be the environment for him to thrive….

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