The Oklahoman: Where will Chris Paul play next season? Here’s three trade ideas involving the OKC Thunder guard.

I assume that this trade proposal by OKC beat reporter, Joe Mussatto, is what folks are talking about now:

Thunder receives: Julius Randle, Kevin Knox, Frank Ntilikina, 2023 first-round pick (via Dallas)

Knicks receive: Chris Paul, Hamidou Diallo

Why it makes sense for the Thunder

The Thunder can acquire three former top-10 picks while not taking back any onerous contracts.

Knox is the most intriguing player in the deal despite a terribly inefficient first two seasons. Of the 259 players who appeared in at least 50 games this season, Knox ranked 255th in true shooting percentage. He shot 35.9% overall and 32.7% from behind the arc.

The good news is that Knox just turned 21, and he has the tools and size (6-foot-7) to improve. Knox was a former 5-star prospect coming out of high school, and he was the leading scorer on a Kentucky team that also featured Shai Gilgeous-Alexander and Hamidou Diallo.

Ntilikina, like Knox, might benefit from a change of scenery and system. The third-year point guard might never grow into an above average offensive player, but Ntilikina already has elite defensive skills, and he’s only 22.

Randle needs to be included to make the money work. He’s New York’s highest-paid player, and is due $18.9 million next season. He’s owed $19.8 million in 2021-22, but only $4 million is guaranteed.

Randle averaged 19.5 points, 9.7 rebounds and 3.1 assists in his first season with the Knicks, but his shooting percentage (46%) was down from his career average (49.3%). Randle was forced to be the primary option on a bad Knicks team, but he’s better suited as a complementary piece.

Randle, entering his age 26 season, most likely wouldn’t be a long-term investment for the Thunder. He could eventually be flipped for another asset.

Sam Presti might ask for a first-rounder to sweeten the deal, but the Knicks shouldn’t part with a valuable pick. New York’s 2023 first-round pick from Dallas might be a good compromise. It’s likely to fall in the mid to late 20s.

Why it makes sense for the Knicks

Paul has been rumored to the Knicks ever since Leon Rose, Paul’s former agent, was named team president in March.

Entering his age 35 season, Paul might not want to lead a rebuild, but there’s still the allure of New York and Madison Square Garden, and Paul’s relationship with Rose makes it a natural landing place.

The Knicks can easily absorb Paul’s contract given their clean cap sheet for the next several seasons, and Paul would provide immediate stability to a flailing franchise.

Much like Paul mentored Gilgeous-Alexander and Darius Bazley, he could do the same for young Knicks cornerstones R.J. Barrett and Mitchell Robinson.

To soften the blow of losing young pieces like Knox and Ntilikina, the Knicks could ask for 22-year-old Hamidou Diallo. The athletic wing is still raw offensively, but Diallo is ready to help on defense. He’s a perfect fit for the Knicks having grown up in Queens.

I don’t want to trade a draft pick for Paul period, but I can’t say that this is an otherwise absurd trade idea. Mussatto is obviously closer to an actual trade idea than most.

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237 thoughts to “The Oklahoman: Where will Chris Paul play next season? Here’s three trade ideas involving the OKC Thunder guard.”

  1. My vote is a “hard no” for any CP3 deal that involves us giving up any young player that has shown any serious potential on either side or any draft pick other than perhaps a 2nd rounder. We don’t need a 2 year rental of CP3. IMO, It would be terribly foolish to give up anything for him. The only deals that make sense are for him to go to a contender where he might be the final piece to a championship (team like the Bucks) or OKC looking to dump salary and giving something up for someone to take him. Just because he showed that he’s not totally washed doesn’t mean he’s worth what he’s being paid or that he makes sense on a team that’s a long way from contention like the Knicks

  2. Hell no to giving up picks for Chris Paul. I’m fine giving up Knox because he has been terrible, but I would not even give Frank, who at least shows up on defense.

    I just dont see any other team giving up assets for chris paul for at least before the trade deadline, OKC is not in a position to ask for picks. Chris Paul’s contract is 40 million and it is already hard enough to match it in cap space and expiring contracts, which other team would do that?

  3. Besides, the other 2 proposed trades are absolutely different with Milwaukee and Philly geting rid of the long contracts of Bledsoe and Horford that will be albatrosses soon (if they are not already).

  4. Yeah, I think OKC is maybe fooling themselves because of the season CP3 had and they think they can get picks for him. But even though he had a great season, it doesn’t change his age, injury risk or the size of his salary. Plus, everyone knows OKC all ready had a boatload of picks stashed away from the PG and Russ trades, so why would anyone want to give them anymore? Teams are going to be asking for picks, not offering them.

    The only team that really makes sense is The Bucks because they are desperate to keep Giannis but we don’t actually know if Giannis wants to leave or not. We all just assume he does cause its a small market team and they’ve bounced earlier in the playoffs than expected. But maybe Giannis isn’t Lebron and wants to just stay where he’s at. If that is the case, then there is no rush for them to trade for CP3 either.

    Of course, we could be dumb enough to trade for him. Gun to my head, I’d give up Knox and a second rounder but hell no to any first round picks. And I agree about Frank too. I know he’s been a disappointment but I saw enough at the end of the season to still want to give him a shot. And his defense with Mitch and Thibs as the coach? I gotta see what that yields before I throw in the towel on frank.

  5. I love that every time a mainstream media piece gets to “Why this trade makes sense for the Knicks,” it goes like this:
    (A) Rumors! (that the media started)
    (B) Connections to the team
    (C) Age of player and why it’s OK!
    (D) Allure of MSG!
    (E) More relationship detritus
    (F) How to make the big contract fit on the Knicks
    (G) Provides stability!
    (H) Provides mentoring!
    (I) To soften the blow of losing young pieces…
    (J) This dude lived in New York so he’s a natural fit to ‘come home’
    (MINUS) A complete lack of detailing proper roster construction, win curve, Knicks immediate vs long term goals, statistics, and just an assumption that the team just wants a big name

  6. Off topic: these past few weeks I’ve realized that I previously vastly underrated Jimmy Butler. I’m surprised how much fun he is to watch.

    On topic: Please god, do not give up any assets for Chris Paul. Even if you hate Frank and Knox, I’d rather give them one year with Thibodeau than give up on them just to have one year of Chris Paul. And that ’23 pick? Come on.

    Just sign a stop gap PG and punt on next season. It’s the easiest punt decision of all time.

  7. The only trade for Chris Paul that I would not hate is Julius Randle for Chris Paul, straight up. That saves OKC around $60mm. THAT IS ENOUGH TO GIVE THEM FOR A 36 YEAR OLD PG.

    If OKC disagrees, so be it. You can sign Rajon Rondo for one year and get decent enough PG play.

  8. I actually don’t care much if this trade happens or not. In the end, Frank/Knox/Portis are all bit players who barely have a place in the league. I guess I’d rather keep Frank if possible, but meh. The Dallas 2023 first hurts a little bit, but they can make up for that lost first in other ways.

    But they should only trade for Paul if he won’t mind coming to the Knicks. And you better believe that if he does come, Rose is going to put at least one or two other veterans around him. For instance, they might trade Randle to Cleveland for Love (and a first to take on that contract).

  9. >>> Yeah, I think OKC is maybe fooling themselves because of the season CP3 had and they think they can get picks for him. <<<

    Having just read the other proposals involving Philly and Milwaukee, I think it's the beat writer that is fooling himself. His other trade idea is getting Eric Bledsoe, Donte DiVincenzo, George Hill, Ersan Ilyasova, and an unprotected 2025 first-round pick from Milwaukee.

    Chris Paul is going to make over $40mm a year in his age 36 season playing in empty arenas during a shortened season. Then he's gonna be 37 years old making even more. I really don't think teams are lining up to throw assets at OKC like that.

  10. Hubert:
    The only trade for Chris Paul that I would not hate is Julius Randle for Chris Paul, straight up.That saves OKC around $60mm.THAT IS ENOUGH TO GIVE THEM FOR A 36 YEAR OLD PG.

    If OKC disagrees, so be it.You can sign Rajon Rondo for one year and get decent enough PG play.

    If that was the trade, I would only vomit once instead of all day long. :-)

  11. We can add a high lottery pick, a non lottery first round pick, and a high second round pick this year, and we can do it again 9 months from now. That’s a real potential influx of talent. Plus we can see what our previous picks can do with a real coach in a real system.

    Why don’t we just do that and see where we are next summer instead of going all in on Chris Paul’s mentorship? It’s not like we need to sell tickets for next year.

  12. Off topic: these past few weeks I’ve realized that I previously vastly underrated Jimmy Butler. I’m surprised how much fun he is to watch.

    He’s not as explosive on offense as some stars, but imo he’s a top notch player.

    I’ve been watching basketball for a lot of decades. I can’t recall any team that played harder than these Miami Heat. I’m sure it’s partly Riley and the organization selecting the right players, getting them as fit as humanly possible, and the great coaching, but I think some small part of it is Butler. I still think the Celtics have the mildly better team (especially of they had a healthy Hayward), but this is a great series. The Heat are relentless and are up two games. Wow.

  13. How about Duncan Robinson’s stat line last night? 6-12, 18 points. No 2 pointers or foul shots attempted.

    Welcome to today’s NBA.

  14. ***now that is a pretty noteworthy display of dislike z-man, to go to a celtics site to soak up the sorrow and misery of their fans…***

    Hey, Z-Man did it once. But I go to a Knicks site to soak up the sorrow and misery of their fans daily!

  15. ***these past few weeks I’ve realized that I previously vastly underrated Jimmy Butler. I’m surprised how much fun he is to watch.***

    I’m glad that Jimmy is making my recent “all-time great” proposal gain traction by the day :)

    I remember when Butler was in Minnesota and demanded a trade to “the Clippers, the Nets, or the Knicks”. Everybody here was like “I’m not giving up assets for the privilege of paying Butler for his decline phase”. Which sounds kind of familiar.

    It’s funny, though, that Butler chose 3 teams at the time that didn’t fit his win curve, kind of like when he chose Miami last year, and went and made the team fit his win curve simply by playing like Jimmy Butler.

  16. Don’t get me wrong, Butler has been fantastic but he’s also vacuuming up the majority of the credit for what has been a true team effort. Everyone raves about how amazing it is to have an unselfish superstar who doesn’t dominate the ball ***so long as the other guys are making a ton of plays and shots***. If the supporting cast had made about 5 less plays over the last two games the series could easily be 0-2 instead of 2-0 and I think the tone of discussion around Jimmy’s 4-11 game last night would be just a little different. For my money Dragic has been Miami’s best player in the series so far (Bam is probably #2) and the fact that a 34 year old PG who didn’t start all season is suddenly giving them all-nba level production in the playoffs is as big a reason as Butler that this team is on the verge of going to the finals.

  17. But it’s Butler’s ability to excel within the team structure that has impressed me so much. I always thought of him as a much more selfish player.

  18. It’s funny, though, that Butler chose 3 teams at the time that didn’t fit his win curve, kind of like when he chose Miami last year, and went and made the team fit his win curve simply by playing like Jimmy Butler.

    If the Knicks had just won 39 games like the Heat did last year, I would feel a whole lot different about any number of trade and/or free agent possibilities.

  19. Donnie you deserve that victory lap. Fantastic take, perfectly timed.

    The Ringer has a piece out on Duncan Robinson. Maybe someone posted it in the last thread? It’s great. Basically outlines how much work and commitment it took from many Heat staffers to get Robinson to believe in his own talent. Definitely worth the read. It’s about as anti-moneyball as you can get. Basically their lead scout saw him shoot the lights out in a practice session, decided he was the next great shooter in the NBA despite middling college numbers, got Riley and Spo on board, and after a year of shuttling back and forth from Sioux Falls, the rest is history.

    There is a quote from Spo there that really is illustrative, where after a crucial game last year that the Heat lost, in which Robinson went 1-7 from three, he took the time to say how proud he was of him for continuing to hoist shots up despite the misses.

    You read that piece as a Knicks fan and you instantly think, this could never happen to us.

    Jimmy Butler didn’t have a great line or a great /- yesterday but those two steals were absolutely fantastic.

  20. So quick look at the trade proposal:

    1) he thinks Knox is the most intriguing player(?!)
    2) he says we need to include Randle to make the salaries work (pretty sure we can absorb CP3 w/o him)
    3) I don’t want CP3 unless we’re the team getting picks (regardless of how realistic this is)

    Give me FVV, Christian Wood, & a prayer that RJ doesn’t suck this year.

  21. The thing is, FVV and Wood are both risks and will almost certainly be overpaid as role players. I’m not sure paying CP3 to be your team engine while drafting/scouring for good role players and auditioning for his successor is really a worse idea. I think it will take at least one pick to get him, but I’m not sure a salary dump, one sucky young player, and a 2nd rounder doesn’t get it done.

  22. Given that the Knicks have hired both Kenny Payne and Johnnie Bryant to develop their players, it seems to be a step back to add CP3 while subtracting Knox, Frank, and a future first round pick. I’m not sure if two years of CP3, while still productive, will move the Knicks any closer to that elusive deep run in the playoffs.

    It is hoped that Rose and company are not looking for the quick fix, although it is a Kncksy thing. It would be better just to let the new staff work with Knox, Frank, and DSJ to see if they can get them on the pathway to being productive NBA players.

  23. Donnie Walsh: I’m glad that Jimmy is making my recent “all-time great” proposal gain traction by the day :)

    Jimmy Butler is an excellent player. He is a great leader when on a compliant team with an excellent coach and a legendary GM.

    I suppose you can attempt to make the argument that he’s more Bill Russell than Michael Jordan, that stats don’t tell the whole story, but I don’t buy either argument. His statistical profile pales in comparison with legit all-time greats, without dominance in any category. He’s never been to the NBA finals. He’s never come close to being an MVP. He’s never been a first team all-NBA player or even first team all-defense,

    If you want to say that he’s been vastly underrated by most posters here and analysts/pundits out there, sure. All-time great is a couple of bridges too far for me, even if he goes on to win finals MVP this year (don’t worry, he won’t.)

  24. whatever “goodwill” the new regime has earned to date (and it is microscopic at best) would be obliterated if draft picks are sent away for chris paul…..it doesn’t fit with what has been done to date…

  25. I don’t even want FVV and Wood unless we get them on remarkably team friendly deals (which is unlikely). If ever there was a summer to use your cap space to acquire assets, this is it. Stingy owners should be lining up to give away assets to save $.

  26. Hubert:
    I don’t even want FVV and Wood unless we get them on remarkably team friendly deals (which is unlikely).If ever there was a summer to use your cap space to acquire assets, this is it. Stingy owners should be lining up to give away assets to save $.

    I actually prefer this strategy too.

    When I say FVV or Woods, the price has to be right even if that’s unlikely to happen. I do think the market uncertainty makes it possible we can grab 1 or both for a reasonable contract

  27. Chris Paul does not fit into the win curve. Do not trade away a thing that *might* someday fit into the win curve for a thing that absolutely *will not* fit into the win curve.

  28. We have Mitchell Robinson, RJ Barrett, seven picks in the next two drafts, and a coaching staff that might actually be good at developing players. It’s almost kind of exciting, assuming we don’t fuck it up and use those picks as ammo to get Chris Paul or LaMelo Ball.

  29. Lol I’m just preparing you guys for the fact that the CP3 trade will probably happen. Just try to wrap your minds around it now and save yourself a little angst.

  30. I still think we need to go after Shane Larkin. He solves our PG problem but doesn’t get in the way of whoever we draft if they develop quickly. He just finished one of the greatest seasons in Euroleague history while leading his team to the best record (their playoffs got canceled). He won MVP, scored the most points in a game in modern Euroleague history, and shot over 50% from 3 on 7 attempts per game. I think he could be gotten for less than half what FVV would cost and could very easily be better. If he comes back to the NBA next year I think he’ll be a difference-maker for whoever gets him.

    I don’t want Paul with that contract unless we are the ones getting picks. He is old and overpaid. Can we please stop chasing over the hill stars.

    Sign Larkin and then draft Haliburton or Hayes if they are available, or the best PG left on the board with the LA pick if they are not, and then continue to develop Ntilikina, dump Smith JR and call it a day at PG.

  31. Shane Larkin not getting an NBA contract this offseason will say a lot about American attitudes about Euroleague, same as Doncic dropping to third even though he was the best prospect since Anthony Davis, and possibly LeBron.

  32. Yeah, Shane Larkin as a cut rate Kemba is something I would definitely be interested in.

    No one said Jimmy B was an all time great. I think the argument was that he will finish as a top ten 2 guard all time. That’s something quite different.

  33. I remember when Butler was in Minnesota and demanded a trade to “the Clippers, the Nets, or the Knicks”. Everybody here was like “I’m not giving up assets for the privilege of paying Butler for his decline phase”. Which sounds kind of familiar.

    I’m pretty sure I wasn’t among the people that was trashing Butler. He’s been one of my favorites for awhile. But it does really depend on the assets you have to give up and who else is on the team. The Heat have a very good mix of veterans and young players. They were clearly ready to compete in the playoffs coming into this year. I think most people (myself included) thought they were still 1 player away from competing for a title. But when you get a few surprises like Herro being able to handle the pressure as a rookie and Robinson taking a being step up maybe they are more ready than I think, Still, I would not be shocked if the Celtics came back on them. I love Butler, they are very good, well coached, and play their asses off, but IMHO they are not a title team yet. I’m hoping I’m wrong though. Anyone but LA for me.

  34. I love that Shane Larkin got exactly zero blocks this year. Not even on some tiny Turkish point guard?

    I’d love for the Knicks to make an offer for him though. What Ben said, throughout.

  35. Shane Larkin?? He’s 28 and has already played about 5000 minutes of crappy NBA basketball. I’d agree that someone should sign him as a backup given how well he played overseas but I’d rather see the Knicks play Jared Harper or Lamar Peters if they’re looking for a little spark plug guy. Larkin is at best a stop gap measure.
    He’s not going to make others better- Payton is a far superior passer and he helped exactly nobody. Bite the bullet and play kids or go out and get someone who you really think could start for you for the next five years. With Larkin the best you could hope for is that he plays great and you can move him for a nice asset at the trade deadline.

  36. nicos, Larkin was the volume scorer and top minutes player for a 24-4 team in Euroleague, shot .729 TS% on 12.7 shots a game.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25aUD3gxR9Y

    That dude in those highlights… 100% Trae Young. 28 is not too old for a value contract. They’re hard to get when you’re outbidding other NBA teams for “proven” NBA talent. This guy could be a real win if the Knicks give him a 2&1 at $8M AAV.

    (Apparently plus signs don’t work anymore?)

  37. Apparently plus signs don’t work anymore

    I notice that whenever I try to post /-

    Makes sense. Nothing plus about 2020.

    Edit: Huck the feck? It was there when I posted but disappeared when I added an edit.

    Add that to the fact that I have the quote function on mobile but not desktop as one of the great mysteries of the Knickerblogger technology stack. There are quite a few.

  38. I think Larkin recently signed an 8 mil contract in Turkey that he would have to buy out for a healthy sum, so you would probably have to give him at least a 2 year 20 mil contract to convince him to come over while also promising him starter minutes (*going from memory, my numbers could be wrong.)

  39. it sure is depressing when Shan Larkin is your white knight coming to rescue the franchise…time to crack open the Pinot and let it breathe…

  40. Z-man:
    I liked Larkin but he never developed….funny that it happened so late.

    No it isn’t funny. It’s the exceptional point guard that has an impact right away. Most take time to develop.

  41. The Honorable Cock Jowles:
    nicos, Larkin was the volume scorer and top minutes player for a 24-4 team in Euroleague, shot .729 TS% on 12.7 shots a game.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25aUD3gxR9Y
    That dude in those highlights… 100% Trae Young. 28 is not too old for a value contract. They’re hard to get when you’re outbidding other NBA teams for “proven” NBA talent. This guy could be a real win if the Knicks give him a 2&1 at $8M AAV.

    (Apparently plus signs don’t work anymore?)

    You’re still talking about 750 minutes vs. 4800. He has shot the three very, very well the last two years on a solid # of attempts- I’m sure the shorter line helped some but that can’t account for just how well he shot it. His assist/turnover numbers were hardly inspiring though. He’s a scoring point who was never a good scorer in the NBA. I guess now he might have turned into Lou Williams but would Lou Williams really move the needle that much on this team? Three years at 8aav, sure but I still think he’d have more value as a moveable asset rather than as an actual player. And I’d still rather try out every young G-League point and hope to get someone both good and cheap but on the same timeline as Mitch. Or hope that Thibs can sprinkle fairy dust on Frank or DSJ or even Payton.

  42. Seriously. FUCK 2020.

    It feels like any random middle sequence from This Is The End had sex with Groundhog Day. And we’re living the offspring.

  43. It feels like any random middle sequence from This Is The End had sex with Groundhog Day. And we’re living the offspring.

    that is it right there…i just wonder though if this is actually to be the norm for the future…weather is gonna get more extreme, the genie is out of the bottle in terms of an “ideological” divide in our nation, and the virus thing is not melting away any time soon…

    made it a point to stay off the news the last week or so, but, the passing of ginsburg is really big…

  44. Also we should definitely try to bring Shane Larkin back home. He’s learned how to shoot, he should be a decent NBA player

  45. The Bobcat Fire is still burning about five miles from my house, and then at about 11:30 PM there was a 4.8 earthquake with an epicenter about 10 miles away. Oh, and RBG.

    Other than that a fine day.

  46. with everything else happening, you knew that earthquake was on it’s way, felt it pretty good out here too…

    just waiting for some frogs, lizards or some other weird shit to start falling from the sky…

  47. Larkin was solid in the NBA. He’s improved in Europe, no reason not to give him a shot. I’d bet he’d risk the buyout to return to the NBA. Smart money says DAL or someone else signs him tho

    Here in Colorado, it went from 100° w/ ash falling from the sky to snowing in ~24hrs. That was a fun Tuesday. We have the largest wildfire in our state’s history but I don’t think it’s made much national news because the west coast is so bad

  48. Larkin was great in college and was showing some signs of development in the NBA before he went abroad. There are dumber risks to take with $8M AAV or whatever.

  49. Even if Larkin reverts to meh… he’ll at the least stabilize the PG position w/o sacrificing draft position like CP3 or FVV would

    It’s a win-win

  50. just wonder though if this is actually to be the norm for the future…weather is gonna get more extreme, the genie is out of the bottle in terms of an “ideological” divide in our nation, and the virus thing is not melting away any time soon…

    If Trump is right about anything on this earth it’s that the media is our common enemy. The media fans the flames of anger with spins, lies, and worse attempting to grab ratings and promote their own individual politics, IMO, quite frankly, many are horrible human beings and others have lost sight of their job.

    I have friends from all over the political spectrum. We get along as well today as ever and we all see sensible compromises to almost very issue with disagree on. That’s probably true of 80% of the population. That 80% all wants the same things, it’s just the priorities and best way to accomplish them needs to be debated and compromised upon.

    But when you have people in media that are flat out scumbags. liars, ignorant fools, and delusional imbeciles fanning the flames and fears of people with spins, exaggerations, and lies, the 20% that are idiots and extremists get riled up, normally sensible people get riled up, things get nasty, and the rest of us feel like everything is out of control.

    IMO, it would be fairly easy to fix things if we had responsible people reporting the news and telling the unspun truth with no political agendas. Then the rest of us could work out the compromises while the extremists on both sides were marginalized.

    Believe me. It used to be that way.

    There was a time (however brief) when journalists knew their job was to inform the public with unbiased facts so people could make informed decisions based on reality. There was a time when the extremists on both sides were more plentiful than they are now, but the adults were in charge of the media, the moderate adults were voted into office, and we all figured it out.

  51. The Bobcat Fire is still burning about five miles from my house, and then at about 11:30 PM there was a 4.8 earthquake with an epicenter about 10 miles away. Oh, and RBG.

    Other than that a fine day.

    Stay safe JK.

  52. here’s the thing though strat – the media simply reflects us and the US…

    it’s not some secret virgin sacrificing, blood drinking evil cabal in control – it’s us…it’s where society is leading towards – it’s MTV’s the real world live and in color on every news channel – cuz that’s what most of us want…

    things finally got a lot clearer to me when I heard trump tell that forestry guy that: watch it’ll get cooler

    it was the smirk on his face, plus that coupled with his honest thoughts spoken to woodward…

    even he doesn’t believe the shit he says…the point is – the quickest/easiest/most expedient method to “improve” the economy was to remove all the environmental “constraints” put in to place over the last few decades…

    that fucker doesn’t give a crap about what happens to our country 20 years from now, 100 years from now, 5 years from now…he is more than happy to mortgage the future for this weekend…

    kind of like teenagers do…kind of like a lot of adults do…we’re an incredibly selfish and self serving species…

    when everyone believes they’re a god – there is no more god…

  53. actually been thinking about you a bunch lately strat, going on about a two month period now where my nerves have been absolutely fried…

    doing my best to simply keep myself together day in and out…started working on a veteran’s claim regarding my health – I’ve always believed in moving forward all the time…I don’t really like to reflect on times when I was seriously injured or sick…

    doesn’t matter what happens to you in life, shit happens to everyone, you still have to get up and move forward…

    I’ve needed though to reflect on some health issues from my 20’s and 30’s that I still deal with daily today…

    there’s a very good reason most of the pain from the past fades in our minds…bringing it in to the present makes life a whole lot tougher…

    I hope all is well for your health strat and things are going well inside of you…

  54. geo:
    here’s the thing though strat – the media simply reflects us and the US…

    it’s not some secret virgin sacrificing, blood drinking evil cabal in control – it’s us…it’s where society is leading towards – it’s MTV’s the real world live and in color on every news channel – cuz that’s what most of us want…

    things finally got a lot clearer to me when I heard trump tell that forestry guy that: watch it’ll get cooler

    it was the smirk on his face, plus that coupled with his honest thoughts spoken to woodward…

    even he doesn’t believe the shit he says…the point is – the quickest/easiest/most expedient method to “improve” the economy was to remove all the environmental “constraints” put in to place over the last few decades…

    that fucker doesn’t give a crap about what happens to our country 20 years from now, 100 years from now, 5 years from now…he is more than happy to mortgage the future for this weekend…

    kind of like teenagers do…kind of like a lot of adults do…we’re an incredibly selfish and self serving species…

    when everyone believes they’re a god – there is no more god…

    Well said!

  55. More total BS from flat out scumbag. liar, ignorant fool, and (especially!) delusional imbecile Strat himself. The blaming of our divisions on the media is a transparent cop-out for racist, mysogynistic, xenophobic, science-denying conspiracy theory mongering assholes. It is the purest form of scumbaggery there is. Underlying it all is the incredibly gross assumption that educated people largely can’t tell the difference between “spins, exaggerations and lies” and something close to objective reality. That’s what assholes like you swallow to justify your twisted holier-than-thou world view.

  56. The blaming of our divisions on the media is a transparent cop-out for racist, mysogynistic, xenophobic, science-denying conspiracy theory mongering assholes.

    Yeah, that post was pretty rough.

    24 hour cable news entertainment is a pox on society, I don’t dispute that. But to ignore the chicken-and-egg question of WHY confirmation bias-feeding media is so profitable and popular… well, it’s classic Strat, right?

    The market has spoken, it wants highly partisan opinion with a thin veneer of “news” laid over the top of it. Maybe the problem with society isn’t that “the media is eeeeevil.” Maybe the problem is that we’re in late stage capitalism and the only thing that matters is whether something makes a buck or not. We could bring back the Fairness Doctrine or try to regulate the news media to remove a profit incentive but that would probably be some pussy snowflake shit that the Austrian School would look down on or something.

    Invisible hand has spoken, read your Ayn Rand, thanks for playing!

  57. Only because I’m feeling a tad discouraged this morning…

    Strat, you make me even more tired. Sure the media has changed, but at Geo touches on, the point is why. When there was only a newspaper and three TV channels, everyone had to play to the middle to avoid being torched. And newspapers (and to a lesser extent TV and radio) told stories they thought their audience wanted to hear. Systemic racism and sexism was wildly rampant — it’s just that nobody talked about it, it was swept under the national carpet. Do the math, that’s ~70% of the country not only not reflected in the national consciousness, but being actively mistreated (50% women, about 20% non-white males). There was no shiny city on the hill, just a shitty mythology that played to white male privilege.

    “Believe me, it used to be that way.” No Strat, we don’t believe you, because you’re as wrong as you possible can be. What’ it’ did was tell you soothing lies that made you feel better about yourself. Is that better or worse than now? Eh, the media is still a swamp, maybe worse than previously, but there’s a lot more of it, which means it’s slapping you in the face constantly but also a discerning person can find truth in there. Like, say, actual videos of people being mistreated or killed. Which you didn’t really have access to in your Dandelion Wine days.

    Now I’m going back to dreaming of Shane shooting 50% from three at MSG, speaking of soothing lies…

  58. Funny thing is, if you interpret Strat’s post to be referring to the Fox Newses and OANNs of the world it’s spot on. That crowd really has done incalculable damage to the psyche of countless Americans.

    Of course, those outlets are Strat’s preferred sources of information. So he holds them least responsible for the phenomenon he describes, and thinks the real problem is, like, people being allowed to say systemic racism exists.

  59. no tnfh – it’s cnn, msnbc and your local channels too (just because it fits in my world view, doesn’t mean it’s not skewing and highlighting reality towards that view) – it’s the confirmation bias and self-validation we fragile beings so desperately crave…it’s everywhere…despite our indignation and “rage”, we’re still rats that got our hands glued to the lever that keeps popping out more cheese…

    normally wrapping myself in a warm, sad and comforting melancholic blanket is a solitary act – so, nice to share it with you all today :)

    oh well, i do feel better at least…it’s good to purge this crap from within every once in a while…sorry to all the normally sane posters to have read this rubbish…probably best to skip past this section and simply enjoy the day as best as possible…

  60. Imagine being so magnificently stupid that you think reporters at NYT and WaPo are the enemy of the people. Imagine being that fucking dumb.

  61. Using reason and science to guide decisions, paired with extraordinary leadership and exceptional goodwill, human society can progress to higher and higher levels of well-being and development, Homer-Dixon says. Even as we weather the coming stresses of climate change, population growth and dropping energy returns, we can maintain our societies and better them. But that requires resisting the very natural urge, when confronted with such overwhelming pressures, to become less cooperative, less generous and less open to reason

    hmmmmm, I wonder what type of anti-depressants ol’ miss rachel is currently munching on…

  62. funny thing is Homer-Dixons newest book is “Commanding Hope”.
    “For over a decade, Thomas Homer-Dixon has provided that rare thing: a bridge between leading-edge research and the lay reader. Now, addressing the greatest problems of our time, he points us towards a path forward….”
    Robert Kaplan, Atlantic Monthly, senior fellow at the Foreign Policy Research Institute

  63. Omg the Ty Lawson thing is absolutely nuts. And the sheer amount of vitriolic racist responses from Chinese people was depressing. Folks are so ready to blow at any second these days, it’s intense.

  64. I read the Knicks are having one on one workouts with coaches this last week and OTAs this coming week. Is this true? If so, what are OTAs?

  65. Since the trade war the nationalism in China has risen to a historically high level. This has naturally involved a spike in racism, mixed with angst towards minority separatism. Chinese social media sometimes is no different from the right wing propaganda, and could be influenced by them, with pieces like black international students receiving preferable treatments or minority students receiving no punishment after sexual harassment case, aiming to incite racism. Ty Lawson thing will only fuel those sentiments even more.

  66. I thought Miami’s late run last night after it looked like the game was over was good for them. Had they gotten totally blown out It might have changed the psychology of the series a bit. Now they can come away from that game feeling like Jalen Brown is not going to play that well every night and Goran Dragic is not going to play that poorly every night.

    I still think Boston is the better team, especially if Gordon Hayward can get back in top shape for the finals.

    It’s a very good series. It’s hard to dislike either of these teams. They were both built intelligently, are coached well, and play a nice style of basketball.

  67. The Honorable Cock Jowles:
    Imagine being so magnificently stupid that you think reporters at NYT and WaPo are the enemy of the people. Imagine being that fucking dumb.

    Imagine being so naive and stupid you fall for non stop political propaganda that’s not located on the editorial page and actually think you have a balanced and truthful view of the world. Don’t worry. I was a moron when I was your age too.

  68. You have claimed that Alan Dershowitz was the only legal mind worthy of consideration in our constitutional crises. You’ve described Russian kleptocrats as more free-market than American liberals. You are incapable of distinguishing between reporting and entertainment news. You are the boomer stain.

  69. Since the trade war the nationalism in China has risen to a historically high level.

    That may be true, but it’s essential for the financial well being of the US and the rest of the world to not allow China to dominate trade and wealth creation with unfair trade practices, theft of patents, closed markets, slave labor etc..

    The Chinese people are fine, but they are lead by dangerous Communists that mean the United States and the rest of the world no good long term. They just became smart enough to incorporate capitalism into their system to help accumulate the wealth, technology, and military needed to dominant the world in a BAD way eventually.

    People in the US are dumber than a pile of rocks.

    The fools in the media keep talking about Russia Russia Russia. Russia’s GDP is less than California’s!!! Nukes or not, Russia is not a long term threat to the US or the world. The Soviet Union is done. Putin’s goal is approximately equal to that of a mafia godfather. He’s a gangster looking to enrich himself and his “family” . All he wants is to do is defend his own power from political adversaries and borders from western and NATO encroachment. Unless the west provokes him, the worst thing he’ll do is rub out a political enemy like a mafia boss so he can stay in power. He has no grand designs on the world. He’s a gangster.

    The Chinese communist party is the enemy of freedom everywhere and is our true long term political and economic adversary. The same commies the left still apparently loves.

    If anything, we should be aligning with Putin (despite the stench) so we don’t help drive him into China’s hands with stupid sanctions. That would make matters worse . We will need Russia, India, and others on our side AGAINST the Chinese communists eventually. We have to end these totalitarian regimes and then maybe we can have free trade and peace.

  70. The Honorable Cock Jowles:
    You have claimed that Alan Dershowitz was the only legal mind worthy of consideration in our constitutional crises. You’ve described Russian kleptocrats as more free-market than American liberals. You are incapable of distinguishing between reporting and entertainment news. You are the boomer stain.

    I’m not sure what I said about Dershowitz because I’m not a fan if his generally, but I do know he has been more balanced, unbiased, and truthful than the NY Times, Washington Post, CNN and MSNBC over the last 3-4 years. Those organizations are not news organizations in the true sense of the term. They are 100% politically motivated.

    And you are right on the second point.

    I just said it again in my previous post. Russian gangsters like Putin ARE more free market oriented than many on the left in the US. They are corrupt free marketers, but they are aren’t socialists.

  71. Russian gangsters like Putin ARE more free market oriented than many on the left in the US. They are corrupt free marketers, but they are aren’t socialists.

    I don’t know how a person can put these words together and believe they are making a cogent point about anything.

  72. Deeefense: I do know he has been more balanced, unbiased, and truthful than the NY Times, Washington Post, CNN and MSNBC over the last 3-4 years. Those organizations are not news organizations in the true sense of the term. They are 100% politically motivated.

    One widely watched, hugely influential media outlet is conspicuously missing from this list. I’m sure that wasn’t intentional. Must’ve been an oversight.

  73. I don’t ever post much but had to come on to say LOL at Russian political gangsters being more free market than American liberals.

    Surely that was a joke. No one could be that stupid.

  74. See, Strat must be talking about a novel definition of “free market,” wherein political violence is a valued and accepted part of the market economy.

  75. Deeefense: The Chinese communist party is the enemy of freedom everywhere

    Freedom.

    What the fuck does that word even mean anymore?

    Could it be referring to the freedom of citizens to choose a government that most closely aligns with the interests of a majority of its people? Naaah, that can’t be it. Not when a substantial portion of the populace is systematically denied unfettered access to the voting process. Nor when one political party is attempting to radically tip the balance of the Court by ramming through a justice just weeks before an election it fears it’s likely to lose.

    Of course, if it’s meant to signify freedom from a top marginal tax rate greater than 37%… or the freedom to post mind-numbingly stupid shit on the internet then, yep, this country still stands as a shining beacon for the rest of the world.

    YOU-ESS-AY! YOU-ESS-AY! YOU-ESS-AY!

  76. The fun thing is how deeply radicalized Strat has become while maintaining the view that his are the moderate, reasonable position. His idea that we’re all rabid consumers of old centrist news organizations is just the cherry on top.

    Strat, you should follow New York Times Pitchbot on twitter. I’m curious what your take would be.

  77. See, Strat must be talking about a novel definition of “free market,” wherein political violence is a valued and accepted part of the market economy.

    Ludwig von Mises thinks Phil Jackson did a pretty good job running the Knicks and that it was all Steve Mills’ fault

  78. ***IMO, it would be fairly easy to fix things if we had responsible people reporting the news and telling the unspun truth with no political agendas. Then the rest of us could work out the compromises while the extremists on both sides were marginalized.

    Believe me. It used to be that way.***

    I think you are partially right about the media, but you are very wrong about it being worse today than in the good ‘ol days.

    James Fenimore Cooper wrote a Tocquevillian assessment of American democracy back in 1838 in which he wrote of a free press: “under the pretense of protecting public morals, it is corrupting them to the core, and under the semblance of maintaining liberty, it is gradually establishing a despotism as ruthless, as grasping, and one that is quite as vulgar as that of any Christian state. With loud professions of freedom of opinion, there is no tolerance; with a parade of patriotism, no sacrifice of interests; and with fulsome panegyrics on propriety, too frequently, no decency.”

    His conclusion is that though the media is insidious and corrupt, because there are so many outlets, it’s Influence is ultimately marginalized.

    So, I’m not sure when “it didn’t used to be this way”, and I think that your “fairly easy fix” isn’t as simple as just making America great again.

    Maybe a better way to “fix things” would be to put Phil Jackson in charge of the nations newspapers.

  79. Here, I made a few small edits to Strat’s rant to see how it worked….

    The American people are fine, but they are led by dangerous sociopaths that mean the United States and the rest of the world no good long term. They just became smart enough to accumulate the wealth, technology, and military needed to dominant the world in a BAD way eventually.

    Trump’s goal is approximately equal to that of a mafia godfather. He’s a gangster looking to enrich himself and his “family.” All he wants is to do is defend his own power from political adversaries

    People in the US are dumber than a pile of rocks.

  80. Let’s all agree that NYT and WaPo reporters are directly responsible for the rise of QAnon.

  81. So, like many enlightened centrists, has Strat finally just decided to go full mask-off?

    But when you have people in media that are flat out scumbags. liars, ignorant fools, and delusional imbeciles fanning the flames and fears of people with spins, exaggerations, and lies, the 20% that are idiots and extremists get riled up, normally sensible people get riled up, things get nasty, and the rest of us feel like everything is out of control.

    This actually isn’t the worst explanation of right-wing media’s impact on the country over the last twenty years or so (see Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity, Tucker Carlson, any number of professional trolls that ragemonger their way to Fox News guest appearences), though Strat is drinking a little too much kool-aid to admit that. Also, what are the odds that someone who makes this argument (and the bit about Putin being the bastion of the free market) with a straight face falls into that 20%?

    This is eerily parallel to some other dreck I see sometimes on the internet (ie reddit), where supposedly enlightened, self-declared “centrists” who measure their e-peens by how smart an online IQ test told them they are inevitably end up embracing hard right positions. Because they’re so rational and intelligent, though, obviously any conclusion they come to must be the rational and intelligent one instead of just whatever happened to coincide with their biases and viewpoints. Trust them, though. They did the hard research of Googling for some shitty blog thinkpiece that confirms their existing worldview and made them feel smart because it uses big words from the thesaurus.

  82. I appreciate some of the references you all use…I’m too lazy to dig too deep in to the bullshit…that james fenimore cooper reference was nice…

    yeah, people are people – enlightenment of humanity doesn’t just come with the passage of time…

    growing up I was really drawn to the optimism of isaac asimov and arthur c clarke…the belief that we could overcome some of our more base behavioral genetic programming…

    I look at stuff like artificial intelligence, geographical informations systems, the ease to which data can be shared both locally and globally and still think – we can figure this out, take care of our planet, get off this rock and fulfill our purpose of helping to spread life, coca-cola, and the beatles to our solar system and beyond…

    on the other hand – sometimes it’s hard to push away that all too pervasive thought that: I am in a world of shit…I get ya private pyle…

    strat, there is no us versus them, it’s all simply us…sadly, destiny for us all comes down to power and control, as it always has…

    free will is great – seven and a half billion people exerting it at once, yikes…

  83. More than half of Republicans believe that Hollywood and the Democratic Party is a giant pedophile ring and that Oprah and Tom Hanks have secret pedo tunnels under their houses. They have figured this out because there were some high priced cabinets on Wayfair.

    Goddamn New York Times ruining the country doe

  84. Since you make it political i’ll join the party!
    Celtics are playing communistic Ball.
    And Smart is Josef Stalin reincarnated!
    Stevens is Lenin. And Kanter is Rasputin!
    ;-P

  85. on a much more positive note: there is such a thing as a presidential infused grape blunt, as well as baby jeeter infused mai tai’s – it truly is a great time to be alive…captain jack’s (local spot) will most definitely get ya high tonight…

    washing it down with a sam adams octoberfest…

    got a chance to visit the octoberfest one year, i absolutely loved all the local festivals and decided to take a train and go check it out…blew my mind walking in to a few different beer “tents”, there were just thousands and thousands of people sitting around and drinking and eating – there was music playing, but the sound of background chatter was electric…watching all the beer. hähnchen, bread, sausage and spaetzle floating around in the air – it was magic and felt really good…

    we used to all eat together (about three to four thousand cadets) for meals in the dining hall, it’s one of the cooler things i remember from being there..a couple food fights (one of them involving shepherd’s beef pot pie), and just eating meals stick out the most, there were a few interesting speakers, but – the food fights were what really stick out – it was soooo weird looking up and seeing so much food suspended for a moment in the air…

  86. ***Celtics are playing communistic Ball.
    And Smart is Josef Stalin reincarnated!
    Stevens is Lenin. And Kanter is Rasputin!***

    Huh?

    (I have no idea what you’re going for here, but I’m going to guess that Orwell did it a lot more effectively, regardless.)

  87. Who the hell is PJ Dozier and why do I feel like the Knicks will offer him 15 million per based off half a quarter

  88. Malone’s decision to stick with Dozier was defensible. He was good on defense and making some things happen on offense.

    I think he pushed his luck a bit though and should’ve gone to Morris about two minutes ago.

  89. Owen:
    Yes, the idea that the media is worse than it’s ever been is completely ahistorical.

    Man, this is so true. I taught 12th grade English Lit. and Newspaper Journalism in high school for many years, and included a whole lot of history in my lessons. Back to the London pamphlets of the 16th century in English and Publick Occurances from 1690 in Newspaper Journalism. Bias, opinion and propaganda present from the very get go.

    “Click bait” titles and headlines have been around forever too. Consider the full title of Daniel Defoe’s 1722 novel, today called simply Moll Flanders:

    The Fortunes and Misfortunes of the Famous Moll Flanders, &c. Who Was Born in Newgate, and During a Life of Continu’d Variety for Threescore Years, Besides her Childhood, was Twelve Year a Whore, Five Times a Wife (Whereof Once to her Own Brother), Twelve Year a Thief, Eight Year a Transported Felon in Virginia, at Last Grew Rich, Liv’d Honest, and Died a Penitent. Written from Her Own Memorandums

  90. Consider the full titles of Daniel Defoe’s novel

    Giving away the entire plot in the trailer also has a long and distinguished history.

  91. What the hell was Plumlee doing? Watched it like five times. Was he trying to stop a backcut from the screener?

    And yes, the history of the popular press is to a huge extent political. Fox News is not the aberration many people think it is.

  92. You know, I don’t hate the Lakers as a team. It’s just the whooping it up of my coworkers that make me reach for this bottle of Bacardi I have on my table.
    <<watches replay of AD 3-pt buzzer beater. Checks text msgs>>>

    I’ll brb…

  93. Owen:
    What the hell was Plumlee doing? Watched it like five times. Was he trying to stop a backcut from the screener?

    And yes, the history of the popular press is to a huge extent political. Fox News is not the aberration many people think it is.

    Back about 8 or 10 years or so ago, I attended a lecture by a UT professor about bias in the media, etc. One of his main claims was that Fox News was taking all the journalistic vices of the past to a new level, all while claiming to be “fair and balanced” while making no real attempt to be so.

  94. I wouldn’t want to be the Lakers right now… they’ll be up 3-1 and the Nuggets will have em right where they want em.

  95. Maybe the fact it’s TV rather than print is a differentiating factor. But it’s not much of a departure.

    I mean, my skin crawls when it’s on. But the papers in the late 18th century were as scurrilous as anything we have ever had.

  96. Ok I’m back now with my drink. :-)

    I’ve been meaning to jump in on the whole history of the media thing, but you guys said the point I’d make better than I would: the media, more-or-less, is what it’s always been. Cable programming has allowed for programs to be created for niche (more specific than broadcast) demographic targeting, which has played a large part in creation and evolution of cable news. But it hasn’t really changed the dynamics of the media. What Trump did was exploit and weaponize these dynamics to his advantage. If more people understand the historic nature of the media, then maybe they wouldn’t fall for the fake news rhetoric.
    And one last thing to Stat’s comment:

    Believe me. It used to be that way.

    Except for Black people.
    You think the media was unbiased about reporting on the civil rights movement, Malcolm X, the Black Panther part, etc? Hell, more recent: when Jam Master J was killed, the NYC locals reported it as part of the East Coast/West Coast rivalry when: A. Run DMC had no reported dog in that fight, and B. The rivalry had been deaded for a few years before he was killed.

  97. Owen:
    Maybe the fact it’s TV rather than print is a differentiating factor. But it’s not much of a departure.

    I mean, my skin crawls when it’s on. But the papers in the late 18th century were as scurrilous as anything we have ever had.

    Yeah, big difference between a few hundred or a few thousand people having to actually read a periodical vs. millions watching TV. I guess the mid 20th Century era of guys like Edward R Murrow through Walter Cronkite was a sort of high point in American journalism, FWIW.

  98. The big difference isn’t between TV and print but between on-line and everything else. For the most part people believe what they want to believe and the internet can deliver exactly what you want to hear 24/7.

  99. nicos:
    The big difference isn’t between TV and print but between on-line and everything else. For the most part people believe what they want to believe and the internet can deliver exactly what you want to hear 24/7.

    This.

  100. I’d take Paul for Julius + dead contracts + picks / prospects. In other words, they pay us to take him. Otherwise, click

  101. Could we trade Frank for some masks and covid tests? This is probably the only way he can assist anyone in NY.

  102. I’d be ok to take on CP3 for just Randle/Payton and whatever other vets they want. I wouldn’t expect them to give us a pick but I ain’t giving them a pick. I mean, we’re helping their pick in 2021 be higher by them getting rid of Paul and we’re hurting our draft pick by taking him on and I’d totally use that argument.

    I’d like us to keep Bullock and Taj for next season. Payton, Ellington, Harkless, and Portis can all go.

    But I think there is value to getting CP3 if we aren’t giving up youth and picks to do it. Swapping out Randle kind of kills 2 birds with one stone. We solve the PG problem for a few years (assuming Paul can stay healthy most of that time) and we get rid of a paint clogger while not losing a number one option because CP3 can make up for most of Randle’s scoring and probably ups the scoring of our other players cause he’s a great PG and a good 3 point shooter.

    I don’t know how CP3 would react but people thought he would be pissed in OKC and it was fine. If we draft well and see some development from the youth, a team led by CP3 can probably get into the playoffs in the East. It would be a young team and we wouldn’t be hurting ourselves too long term with CP3. “Veteran influence” gets used too much to justify getting older players but I do think CP3 is the type of player that actually applies to because his influence on the court will make our young players better if for no other reason than they can play in a real offense.

  103. Also, my ideal draft is Vassel at #8 and Kira Lewis Jr. I think Kira would go before 27 but I’d be willing to package our second rounder with #27 to move up and secure Kira. I think Kira has the potential to be the steal of the draft and I’d be thrilled to have him be the back up PG behind CP3 and learn from one of the all time greats for a few seasons.

    If we came away this off season with getting rid of Randle, picking up CP3 (without picks or youth) and drafting Vassell and Kira…I’d be pretty damn excited.

  104. While Strat J. Trump’s over there talking about how all journalism is terrible because MSNBC is an entertainment channel masquerading as news, read this series by real journalists doing real work, and definitely not being the enemy of the people, as Mr. Trump would have you believe:

    https://www.buzzfeednews.com/fincen-files

  105. Vassell and Lewis Jr. would be a nice haul, and I agree Lewis Jr. would be worth trading up for if the only cost is our second rounder.

    My ideal situation if we trade up from #27 is snagging Poku though…who I’m starting to think will be the best player in the draft.

  106. howdy danvt, really good to read your words and see your smiling pic…not to get too weird, but, what have you been up to sir…

    are things pretty much back to normal in your area? have you been writing any music?

  107. hey glass half rebuilt, now that knickerblogger power rankings has me looking at everything twice- just to make sure i’m not missing stuff – is that some old school donkey kong avatar you’re using?

  108. Ha. I didn’t read the whole thread. Honestly NYK clown act has been the farthest thing from my mind in this year from Hades. All of y’all are a really fun read though and most sum it up well. Yup. “At Sims, an educated consumer is our best customer”

  109. “howdy danvt, really good to read your words and see your smiling pic…not to get too weird, but, what have you been up to sir…

    are things pretty much back to normal in your area? have you been writing any music?”

    Wonderful to read your comments GEO. Yeah, personally things have been good. I spent the pandemic going sub 2000 calories a day and exercising like a fiend. I haven’t missed a run, my left hand layup is razor sharp, I’m in the best shape of my life.

    Art wise good too. I’m back together virtually with my old band.
    https://soundcloud.com/roundband

    The rest of the world is the problem. I have a ton of sadness for so many. Hard to get around it.

  110. oh yeah, got up and started dancing during sick of you…fortunately the kids are back with their mom and the blinds are only slightly open – so, no cornea’s were burned from the sight of me bouncing around in the house…

  111. geo:
    hey glass half rebuilt, now that knickerblogger power rankings has me looking at everything twice- just to make sure i’m not missing stuff – is that some old school donkey kong avatar you’re using?

    My avatar is a football with mean eyes lol. I’m a Jets fan which is why the football is green and white, and I think my Jets would have a better if my mean football avatar were head coach.

  112. Given the logical argument of recent threads, which of the following statements are true?

    1) If some journalists are bad; then all journalism is bad.

    2) if some cops are bad; then all police forces are bad.

    3) if some Knicks are bad; then the Knicks are bad.

    4) if some KB posters are bad; then KB is bad.

    5) if some episodes of The Wire are bad; then the series is bad.

    6) if some songs by the Beatles are bad; then the Monkees are better.

  113. 1. Donald Trump Jr. Was Offered Advanced Access to the WikiLeaks Email Archive (CNN/MSNBC)

    https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/jasonleopold/roger-stone-warned-trump-wikileaks-clinton-dump

    In written testimony to Mueller’s team in November 2018, Trump denied being aware of any communications between Stone, Manafort, Gates, or Donald Trump Jr. and WikiLeaks or Assange. Yet according to the newly public portions of the special counsel’s report, “Trump knew that Manafort and Gates had asked Stone to find out what other damaging information about Clinton WikiLeaks possessed, and that Stone’s claimed connection to WikiLeaks was common knowledge within the Campaign.”

    bleach bleach bleach bleach

  114. My fav part of the Mueller report is that the (republican led) Senate Intelligence Committee Report was a lot more damning and a lot more straightforward.

  115. About which Andrew Weissman is coming out swinging. He openly said — today? — that the Mueller team let the public down. And boy, did they.

    But Mike definitely isn’t interested in that bipartisan support. It hasn’t gotten any play on Tucker Carlson.

  116. look, see owl man – you got me seeing shit that ain’t even there…thanks the glass half rebuilt…my condolences on rooting for two shitty clubs…i’m a giants fan, so, completely understand your aversion to sundays and sometimes mondays and thursdays…i pretty much just ignore them, which – if i was smart, i’d do the same with the knicks…

    you all are just too much fun though…

    yeah KBPR, so i got demons fairly constantly crawling up my ass – don’t put the devil in my eyes too…cuz, ya know – being normal is important and shit

  117. I think Iggy’s dad is an MMA fighter, so I’m not surprised he’s getting jacked. Not sure if it will help his game or not, but it’s worth a try.

  118. oh yeah – only because i know you’ve been waiting eagerly for this news milo – i finally achieved my first solo victory royale, with cheese…

    basically hacked five of those stark robot guys and used them as cover til everyone else had been eliminated…yeah, i’m printing and posting that screenshot on the fridge…

  119. ess-dog:
    I think Iggy’s dad is an MMA fighter, so I’m not surprised he’s getting jacked. Not sure if it will help his game or not, but it’s worth a try.

    Maybe he should start hanging out with Bryson DeChambeau

  120. ***On the other hand…***

    On the other hand, the sky is green, the day is 29 hrs long, and the Knicks are in playoffs.

  121. 538 Finals win odds update, RAPTOR:

    Heat 42%
    Celtics 30%
    Lakers 23%
    Nuggets 5%

    Win odds, ELO:

    Lakers 45%
    Celtics 28%
    Heat 25%
    Nuggets 2%

    If I’m betting money today, it’s on the Lakers. Wouldn’t be surprised if the Finals is a hard-fought five-gamer.

  122. If it’s Heat-Lakers, I wouldn’t automatically assume a Lakers title, although obviously they’ll be pretty heavy favorites.

    I’d feel fairly good with Bam on AD and Butler on LeBron. You’re not gonna shut down either of those guys, but at least make life a little difficult for them. Miami’s bench is better also, and I give the coaching edge to Spoelstra.

    Would I put money on the Heat? Probably not, because of a certain ageless wonder on the other team.

  123. The problem is likely the kind of strength training he’s doing. If you do barbell bench press, the range of motion of the shoulders and pectorals is limited by the bar path — if you do barbell bench press with a bar like this, you can actually improve your range of motion. I often use parallettes to get deeper “in the hole,” which helps keep my pecs elastic while activating them more.

    Contrast this with powerlifter bench form, where the hands are extremely wide on the bar, and the chest is puffed out as far as possible to intentionally limit the ROM, thereby increasing the load able to be used. This is why powerlifters often have T-Rex arms — their poor mobility is a direct effect of the ultra-limited ROM they use.

    I used to have poor mobility in my legs, but then I started squatting ass to grass, with the back of my thighs touching my calf muscles at the bottom. After a couple years of regularity, I can now stand, straighten my legs and fold forward, touching my palms to the ground without a warmup. I have not done any regular stretching routines to get there.

    The strength coach might be right to prescribe some stretching, but reducing the frequency of strength training because it limits ROM is an archaic, and wrong, approach to conditioning.

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21969080/

    “The results of this preliminary study suggest that carefully constructed full-range resistance-training regimens can improve flexibility as well as the typical static-stretching regimens employed in conditioning programs. “

  124. The big difference isn’t between TV and print but between on-line and everything else. For the most part people believe what they want to believe and the internet can deliver exactly what you want to hear 24/7.

    Yes, exactly this, and I’ll add a couple things:

    1. There isn’t a lot out there that appeals to thoughtfulness and rationality because there isn’t much money in those things anymore.

    2. For those of us exposed to it in our formative years, it’s stunning to watch McLuhan’s observation that the medium is the message reach its final, sublimely true state in modern, utterly manipulative social media. (*) To a definitive degree, people believe what they believe because of the characteristics of the medium and, even more definitively, because of the forms it makes available to people to express their beliefs. People literally believe what they believe about things like “systemic racism” because there now exists things like Twitter and message boards and their captive, dopamine-addicted audiences to express those beliefs on and to. The synergy between the two things is complete.

    The immediate question is whether America will even survive social media and there’s a very good chance it won’t. The end might be as soon as a few months away. If the divisions were more starkly geographic, its demise would be virtually certain, but its hard to see any kind of enforceable Mason-Dixon line in the obviously divided mental narratives the two sides have been manipulated to take on.

    (*) It was true with television, but took some refined intelligence and powers of observation to see it; with social media, it’s blatantly obvious to anyone even remotely able to seriously cogitate.

  125. 1. There isn’t a lot out there that appeals to thoughtfulness and rationality because there isn’t much money in those things anymore.

    Sure, but what does exist is more than enough for the average person. My weekly issue of The Economist is unwieldy on its own and I can’t say that I’ve ever read it cover to cover. If I tried to merely keep up with daily straight reporting from NYT and ProPublica; domestic analysis from Just Security and Lawfare; and foreign news and analysis from The Economist, I’d have myself a full-time job.

  126. I remember one time on a 4 hour plane ride I read two entire issues of The Economist back to back. I felt like my head was about to explode by the end of it. It was quite the mental workout.

  127. Geo. Thanks so much, man…

    Jowles, great stuff on weight training and flexibility. I’ve slimmed down and now want to potentially add “good weight”. Muscle mass, etc. not tons or fast or anything like that. Any advice on that? Any other exercise/ diet gurus around?

  128. Three warmup sets per exercise, increasing in weight progressively:

    Day A

    Squat 3×8
    Bench 3×8
    Deadlift 1×5

    Day B

    Squat 3×5 (higher weight than day A)
    Military Press 3×8
    Bent-over Row 3×10

    Alternate every 48-72 hours, progressively adding weight (smallest increment you can) until you stop making gains. Then you can really start to program. This is a variant of a program called Starting Strength and can be used for years with significant increases in strength, size and endurance.

    (1) Focus on maximal range of motion and form. Leave your ego at the door and use loads that are appropriate for your fitness level. Watch YouTube videos for cues and form tips. Ignore any video that advocates for a specialty technique like “competition bench.”

    (2) Buy a pair of squat shoes (cheapest you can find, $70 should do it) to wear for all exercises except deadlift. This will provide a stable, firm sole with a raised heel, allowing for a better ankle flexion during squats. Bench and rows will benefit from the solid base. Deadlifts should be performed shoeless, or with a pair of flat, non-compressible soles like Converse. Serious lifters use wrestling shoes, but I lift at home, so I just go barefoot. I’ve had the same pair of squat shoes since 2013 while putting in about 400 sessions over the last two years alone.

    (3) There’s a concept called “rate of perceived exertion” that is important when starting any exercise routine. It’s arbitrary/self-titrated, so it’s all about how you feel, with “1” being “slow, casual walk” and 10 being “sprinting away from a rabid grizzly bear.” Your RPE for the first 1-2 months should be quite low, around 5. You should not feel DOMS (delayed-onset muscle soreness) beyond 48 hours. If so, you are overtraining and should lessen the intensity. Until your body has adjusted to the exercise, you should never go “to failure.”

  129. One other thing:

    Work = load x reps x sets

    Different loads will produce different rep ranges (meaning that you reach “failure” at a certain rep number), which lead to different outcomes.

    1-4 reps = “power” (training the central nervous system to recruit available muscle fiber to produce work)
    5-8 reps = “strength” (a blend of CNS training plus hypertrophy, or muscle growth)
    9-15 reps = “hypertrophy” (increasing the size of muscles through muscle tearing and rebuilding, plus some hormonal stuff, with less CNS improvement)
    >15 reps = “endurance” (basically cardio with muscle soreness, don’t do this… just do cardio)

    Beginners are best suited for the 5-10 rep range, which will produce a blend of hypertrophy and power. You will get “bigger” from a low-rep, high-intensity program, at least at first. Likewise, you will get stronger from a high-rep program. But over time, you need a blend of both, which is often called periodization — training for 6 weeks with a high-rep, hypertrophic range, and then 3 weeks with a low-rep, “power” range to “teach” your brain how to use its new muscle.

    Beginners can do both at the same time. You could probably lift for a solid year before needing to incorporate periodization to break through a plateau.

  130. Day A

    Squat 3×8
    Bench 3×8
    Deadlift 1×5

    Day B

    Squat 3×5 (higher weight than day A)
    Military Press 3×8
    Bent-over Row 3×10

    Sounds like a lot of effort. Gonna stick with the synthol, tyvm.

  131. Would anyone here bite on a trade of Randle for Griffin and #7? I’d strongly consider it if they offered. Maybe they will pay handsomely for a younger player who produces and the opportunity to get from under a washed player’s contract. Question is can you trust Griffin to be healthy enough to pick and pop and space the floor? It’s not like we would need him to be the force in the paint like he was in his prime. Not saying I would absolutely take that deal, but for the 7th pick, I’d take a long look- on the condition that we’d keep all our picks this season.

  132. Totes McGoats as Totes McGoats:
    Would anyone here bite on a trade of Randle for Griffin and #7? I’d strongly consider it if they offered. Maybe they will pay handsomely for a younger player who produces and the opportunity to get from under a washed player’s contract. Question is can you trust Griffin to be healthy enough to pick and pop and space the floor? It’s not like we would need him to be the force in the paint like he was in his prime. Not saying I would absolutely take that deal, but for the 7th pick, I’d take a long look- on the condition that we’d keep all our picks this season.

    Absolutely though I’d try to get a future 1st, preferably 2021, instead of their 1st this year since it’s such a crappy draft. Griffin’s only got 2 years left on his deal so he wouldn’t be some huge albatross.

  133. hi al, has there been any reporting on what’s going on in our knick training “bubble”…i haven’t really noticed anything out there regarding who all has shown up, who hasn’t…if they’re doing drills or just individual workouts and training…

    just a guess – tyronne lue to philly…i think d’antoni goes to either the pels or indiana…

  134. 1. There isn’t a lot out there that appeals to thoughtfulness and rationality because there isn’t much money in those things anymore.

    As Jowles points out with his small subset, there is a lot of this media out there. It just doesn’t come in the form of TV news or talk radio because the audience for it is not keen on those formats and those formats, as you point out, aren’t conducive to that media. But there’s definitely money in it. You’re conflating the switch from print to online (which was badly mishandled by a lot of legacy orgs) with the disappearance of that audience and their cash.

  135. it’s stunning to watch McLuhan’s observation that the medium is the message reach its final, sublimely true state in modern, utterly manipulative social media

    Yeah, no. Sure, de Bord was right and so was Baudrilaire, kind of, but this is getting causes and effects all mixed up. Medium matters. TV seems real so it is, ect. It constraints the form of the message, but it doesn’t define the message itself.

    Mostly what we’re seeing is late stage capitalism being yoked in the service of ideology. Consolidation and elimination of local and independent media outlets by large multinationals who are exploiting built in audiences who never have engaged seriously with politics or the news. Replace “neutral” sources with propaganda and all those casual viewers absorb and adopt more extreme views. This is mostly a right-wing phenomenon with the left reacting to the right’s increasing radicalization and the moderates ineffectualness by becoming more radicalized themselves. (That’s not an unthinking sheeple thing, that’s a rational response to a very real threat to their beliefs and ideals.)

    Social media is mostly just a reflection of this. It amplifies the loudest voices (who are mostly marginal ones) which invokes a tribal response and leaves us where we are. One big group that has been infected with all the same increasingly radical priors on the right; a bunch of both-siderists bemoaning the loss of civility (which was a temporary aberration in any case), refusing to acknowledge the extremely real irreconcilable differences and blaming everything but the capitalism that actually got us into this mess; and another, bigger group on the left that has trouble achieving anything due to large internal disagreements. Social media didn’t create that mess, it just exposed it. Like how reddit didn’t make Knicks fans stupider or prevent intelligent discussion.

  136. guys if you’re watching lakers nuggets tonight, me & my neighbor (*the* neighbor who i walked away from an online argument to spend “quality time” with) are going to be one of the front row virtual people.

    tonight’s a dog adoption awareness thing, and she works with abandoned animals. it’s going to be a yorkie 80% of the time, her 18% of the time, and me squeezing my ugly mug into the picture 2% of the time.

  137. Stumbled across this on a piece about the Lakers and in the interest of Knickdom I thought I’d share:

    Not much has changed with Randle. He averages almost 20 points, but it’s empty calories. He can’t shoot well. He’s a chucker. He’s got butterfingers. He’s a turnover machine. He’s so bad on defense that he makes Knicks fans long for Enes Kanter. A total of 64 players made at least $18 million this season; Randle performed the worst of the 22 bigs.

  138. Wow where in China, KFNINJ?
    Definitely do not post about “cakes” on Weibo unless you’re discussing flavors of actual cakes.

    And I’m totally down to sign Jerami. What would it take? 14 mil average on a 3-year deal?

  139. Ess-dog, I’m in Xiamen. It’s a seaside city in the south. I’m definitely not going to talk about cakes

    And thanks Vincoug, it’s a good job. I hope I make it out of quarantine.

  140. This is at least mildly concerning, from Begley:

    Mitchell Robinson won’t be with the Knicks during their voluntary team workouts in the ‘bubble’ setting due to personal reasons, per league sources. Robinson, who participated in voluntary individual workouts w/NYK last week, does not have COVID-19, league sources say.

  141. Alan:
    This is at least mildly concerning, from Begley:

    Looks like Rich Paul isn’t hearing what he wants regarding an extension for his client, one Mitchell Robinson. Why risk an injury for a player only guaranteed $1.6 when a large payday looms down the road?

    Rich Paul is playing hardball.

  142. No idea, what other leverage does Mitch even have? Gotta figure that it’s bluster if the ‘personal reason’ isn’t something legitimate.

    Mitch will likely be the best player on a bad Knicks squad. That’s not a bad spot to be in when angling for a new contract. I don’t think he’s opting out.

  143. Looks to me like the Knicks have a few options.

    1- Extend Mitch now
    2- Extend Mitch prior to the 2021-22 season.
    3- Let Mitch play out his rookie deal for $1.8 in year 4 and make him a RFA.

    Mitch really got shortchanged when he signed his rookie deal and probably wants to make some serious cash. $1.6 million this year and $1.8 for next year isn’t working for him.

    Of course, they could also trade him.

  144. I was gonna clean my room
    Until I got high
    I was gonna get up and find the broom
    But then I got high
    My room is still messed up and I know why
    (why man?)
    ‘Cause I got high
    Because I got high
    Because I got high

  145. Jowles, dk if its in your wheelhouse but what in-house low-equipment workouts would you recommend to a guy who works too much and family takes the rest of his time? I like my 4 mile runs but don’t have much time for that lately. I mean, if I can go on this site once in a while, I can surely fit in a few pushups or what have you. (As a typical MD I know nothing about exercise; if you can recommend some good reading on fitness, I’d like to start educating in a rational evidence-based way)

  146. wetbandit:
    Jowles, dk if its in your wheelhouse but what in-house low-equipment workouts would you recommend to a guy who works too much and family takes the rest of his time? I like my 4 mile runs but don’t have much time for that lately. I mean, if I can go on this site once in a while, I can surely fit in a few pushups or what have you. (As a typical MD I know nothing about exercise; if you can recommend some good reading on fitness, I’d like to start educating in a rational evidence-based way)

    I have been doing these a couple times a week…all you need is a chair and a floor and a bench…will get your upper and lower body and core….

    https://www.menshealth.com/uk/building-muscle/a758964/the-best-bulk-up-bodyweight-exercises-to-do-at-home/

    https://www.gq.com/story/best-abs-workouts-gq-ultimate-guide

  147. I didn’t get to watch most of the game last night, but I mentioned in an earlier post that AD had 0 rebounds in 20+ minutes, and he ended up with just 2 rebounds in 43 minutes.

    Does anybody who watched have an explanation? As a team, the Lakers were outrebounded 44-25, so it was obviously an issue.

  148. I believe the practices this week are voluntary and not mandatory. I wouldn’t read too much into this. I’m sure he wants a bigger contract but I don’t think we’re at the point of worrying about it yet.

  149. If it wasn’t for an AD buzzer beater, Denver would be up 2-1. I do think The Lakers will ultimately pull this one out but I think Denver is far better than people thought and they’re gonna be a force to reckon with in the western conference for the foreseeable future. I think they’ll get a title in the next 4 years.

  150. legs/ass:

    lunges, preferably holding something heavy (probably the best at-home leg exercise, since you don’t need much weight to make a single-leg motion difficult)
    goblet squats with a heavy kettlebell (similar to front squat)
    heavy kettlebell swings (with hip hinge; many people do these very poorly and they look more like a squat; your shins should remain nearly upright throughout the motion)
    stiff-leg kettlebell deadlift

    chest/back:

    push-ups with parallettes or non-rotating push up handles (to get extra deep, which will make the movement far more productive in creating mass in the chest) — use varying widths and elevated feet to vary the activation
    pull/chin-ups with a door-mounted pullup bar (use resistance bands to help, pull-ups are among the most difficult BW exercises)

    A few things about that article:

    Where are the back exercises?

    Don’t do one-arm press-ups or diamond push-ups. The former will just cue bad technique and the latter will wreck your elbows unless you’re sufficiently strong to maintain perfect form. And even then, nah. Clap push-ups are dumb, too. The point of the clap is to force you to create enough force to leave the ground; the clap itself does absolutely nothing. So you’ve just introduced impact to what should be one of the safest closed-chain movements (i.e. the load-bearing part of your body is in a fixed position; contrast this with the less-safe bench press, where the load-bearing parts of the body, your hands, move through space). Handstand wall walks won’t do shit for the layman.

    There’s a lot of bro science in the fitness world. Hard to point you to a single source that’s not full of shit about something. You’ve got legends like Mark Rippetoe (the creator of Starting Strength, probably the most influential barbell program developed) who claim that movements like the hex-bar deadlift are shitty because he’s a purist and thinks it’s a cop-out for learning barbell deadlift form. Nah.

  151. Monte Morris had a really great game last night. That’s a great guy to have coming off the bench. But the Nuggets are just a lot of fun to watch. Murray has really blown me away with his ability to shoot with even a sliver of seperation. And Jokic’s staple high-knee fadeaway set shot that somehow barely tickles the net is the most absurd shot I can remember seeing in the NBA. I guess it’s a Dirk thing but it’s truly ridiculous.

    Loving these playoffs.

  152. T hanks, looks minimal and doable. I see legs/ass and chest/back- enough arm work incorporated into the pullups+pushups?

  153. Yes, arms are fully covered by those movements. If you want to make the movements harder, slow down the “negative.” So when you’re lowering yourself during a push-up, count to 5, then back up quickly. You do sets of 15 of those on parallettes and get back to me.

  154. Yeah…I only use some of those, I tried them all and definitely threw out the clap and one-arm (too difficult and likely will cause injury) on the chest and on the diamond…if you keep the form…it works well but if not….yes…the elbows get tweaked…

    I also don’t do the handstand….

    as far as back…I am rowing 3 times a week so I get it there…I am also swimming and biking on other days so I just use these exercise for some arm, chest and core…definitely pick and choose what works/feels right….

  155. Owen:
    Monte Morris had a really great game last night. That’s a great guy to have coming off the bench. But the Nuggets are just a lot of fun to watch. Murray has really blown me away with his ability to shoot with even a sliver of seperation. And Jokic’s staple high-knee fadeaway set shot that somehow barely tickles the net is the most absurd shot I can remember seeing in the NBA. I guess it’s a Dirk thing but it’s truly ridiculous.

    Loving these playoffs.

    also…Denver doesn’t have Barton…if he was in the mix as well…they would be even tougher…but Morris definitely was key early…

  156. I am rowing 3 times a week so I get it there…

    that sounds like a ton of fun and a good workout…how are you getting a chance to go rowing, is it just one of those exercise pieces of equipment, or is it like an actual boat thing?

  157. damn jowles, you should be a fitness writer…excellent job at breaking down not just the what and how, but, also the why which helps a bunch to focus while executing…sometimes it’s hard for sharp people to make shit simple…you’re really good at that…

    the music and food talk is awesome, but, the exercise talk stuff definitely helps motivate…

  158. Bleacherreport has a new mock draft with us trading picks with gsw for LaMelo… we also surrender our #27, next years Dallas 1st and Frank… all for the services of LaMelo who they label as ‘immature’.
    Why do sports media outlets like bleacher report hate ny teams as much as they do?

    Anyway I’m not doing this trade . I also have my doubts LaMelo is even the Best pg in this draft.

  159. geo: that sounds like a ton of fun and a good workout…how are you getting a chance to go rowing, is it just one of those exercise pieces of equipment, or is it like an actual boat thing?

    I have a concept 2 rower in my garage…I bought it like 20 yrs ago when i was living in queens and used it for about 1 or 2 yrs and then never really used it much….I brought it out with me to cali when we moved here and since covid hit…i have been using it all the time…now that the outdoor pool in my neighborhood opened I am doing more swimming than rowing…nicer being outdoors rather than in the garage on that machine…

  160. mase:
    Bleacherreport has a new mock draft with us trading picks with gsw for LaMelo… we also surrender our #27, next years Dallas 1st and Frank… all for the services of LaMelo who they label as ‘immature’.
    Why do sports media outlets like bleacher report hate ny teams as much as they do?

    Anyway I’m not doing this trade . I also have my doubts LaMelo is even the Best pg in this draft.

    Maybe not hate just because some NY teams make lots of dumb moves, so it’s come to be expected, esp. from any NY team not named the Yankees.

  161. Boston vs. Miami tonight is going to be “lit”.

    I still think Boston has the mildly better team, but that Miami team plays as hard as any team I’ve ever seen, they are well built, and well coached. I think whoever wins tonight will win the series. If Miami wins again they’ll prove the gap is narrow enough to beat them in a short series and at 3-1 they’ll have a huge edge. If Boston wins, they’ll reassert themselves as the superior team and at 2-2 have the clear edge again.

    The Denver vs. LA series was more of a mystery to me because LA has the 2 best players in the series (which can pretty decisive in the playoffs), but Denver has two solid young stars that are really tough under pressure. They are a last second 3 away from being up 2-1 in this series. You’d think in crunch time of a close game, I’d rather have James and Davis over Jokic and Murray after saying LA has the 2 best players. But I’m not a huge fan of James at the FT line or on jump shots under super extreme pressure. I think he’s shakier than people realize. If Denver can get it down to the last minute even, their big 2 may have an edge unless Davis is the one that bails LA out again. They just have to hope their other inexperienced players don’t crack. LA has the more veteran team overall. But it’s going to be hard because in the flow of long game with less pressure, James and Davis might be too much for them to handle to even keep it close.

  162. LA has the more veteran team overall but Denver is playing with nothing to lose and I think the role players for Denver are better than the role players for The Lakers (even though the Lakers role players are more experienced or whatever).

  163. LA has the more veteran team overall

    Someone ought to tell Paul Millsap that playing in more career playoff games automatically gives you an advantage. He seems to have misplaced that ineffable, non-falsifiable veteran moxie.

    LA has the more veteran team overall

    Three of the four remaining teams have a ton of guys with limited playoff experience and yet there’s a solid chance that one of those “non-veteran” teams will end up winning a ring this year.

  164. “Someone ought to tell Paul Millsap that playing in more career playoff games automatically gives you an advantage.”

    Yeah! I mean, just look at the long list of teams who won a title during that roster’s first appearance in the playoffs!

    Well…look at the long list of teams who made the conference finals during that roster’s first appearance in the playoffs!

    Uh…the long list of teams who made the playoffs with rosters made up of 1st and 2nd year players?

    Hmm. It almost seems like there’s ACTUAL DATA supporting the idea that teams with veteran experience have SOME advantage over teams that don’t.

    Nah. Can’t be.

    Mike

  165. Where’s the actual data, Mike? I know that you’re functionally illiterate, but do enlighten us.

  166. mase:
    Bleacherreport has a new mock draft with us trading picks with gsw for LaMelo… we also surrender our #27, next years Dallas 1st and Frank… all for the services of LaMelo who they label as ‘immature’.
    Why do sports media outlets like bleacher report hate ny teams as much as they do?

    Anyway I’m not doing this trade . I also have my doubts LaMelo is even the Best pg in this draft.

    Not only is that a terrible trade for us but why would GS do that?

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