Knicks Trade Pablo Prigioni to the Rockets

The Knicks have dealt Pablo Prigioni to the Houston Rockets for point guard Alexey Shved and the Rockets’ second-round picks in 2017 and 2019. On top of the second round picks and Shved’s expiring contract, the Knicks shed Prigs’ salary for next season, which is just a slight salary dump due to Prigioni’s guarantee next season being $300,000 over a minimum cap hold spot.

The Rockets’ unprotected second-round picks in 2017 and 2019 are unlikely to be good picks, but they are unprotected and that serves some real value. The Knicks not getting them until two years from now is a bit rough, though, and that hurts the value of the deal. I guess overall I’ll go with B/B+. Either way, it is Jackson’s best trade so far. But of course, while it was his best trade it was also one of his least consequential. Like getting an A+ on a paper that only counts for 5% of your total grade. It’s still good to get the A+, but keep it in perspective.

As for Prigioni, I wish him the best. He seemed like a great guy and he was a good Knick. He also did very well in the playoffs, so I suspect that the Rockets will be happy to have him in this year’s playoffs.

In other trade deadline news, Knicks target (kind of), Goran Dragic, was dealt to the Heat for two first round picks, Danny Granger, Justin Hamilton, Norris Cole and former Knick Shawne “Extra E” Williams.

Also, former Knick Steve Novak has found his way to the Oklahoma City Thunder in a deal sending Enes Kanter to the Thunder for Reggie Jackson, Perry Jones and Kendrick Perkins.

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80 thoughts to “Knicks Trade Pablo Prigioni to the Rockets”

  1. Shved on Draft Express:

    In this regard, his style of play is very similar to the way Goran Dragic played for Phoenix this season. Shved is an even better passer, though. He instinctively makes smart, simple passes within the flow of the offense, but he can also wow you at times with his imagination and his ability to thread the needle and find the open man diving to the rim for an easy basket.

    From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com#ixzz3SE96FAyM
    http://www.draftexpress.com

  2. I’ve been as critical as anyone concerning Phil but this trade is a solid A. The expectation was either no deal or a single second round pick. And Shved just posted a WS/48 of .131 on 344 minutes (cue Mike Kurylo here). Well done Phil! Now convince Melo that to prolong his career and his brand on a bad knee he needs to go to Phoenix and their top medical staff. They’ll have plenty of cap this summer – give him to them netting us a draft pick, maybe two.

  3. This an epic day in the tank wars, though. On our side, Melo gets season ending surgery and we trade one of our only halfway competent guards. On Philly’s side, they trade MCW and KJ McDaniels for even more draft picks. It’s ON now.

  4. i think turning something from nothing deserves at least an A… given how many pg’s changed teams it was a minor miracle that he got something from the worst one available…

    overall… having jackson and dragic goto teams that will probably resign them is another plus for us in case we accidentally were having some interest in them…

  5. This an epic day in the tank wars, though. On our side, Melo gets season ending surgery and we trade one of our only halfway competent guards. On Philly’s side, they trade MCW and KJ McDaniels for even more draft picks. It’s ON now.

    Not so fast…Shvedsanity?

  6. The most interesting news of the day, hands down:

    “The 76ers also receive the rights to Chu Chu Maduabum from the Nuggets.”

    Come again???

  7. i think turning something from nothing deserves at least an A… given how many pg’s changed teams it was a minor miracle that he got something from the worst one available…

    But I don’t think Prigs is nothing. This is pretty much what we thought Prigs’ value was – a second round pick from a good team. Two future second round picks from a good team is roughly equivalent to one second round pick from a good team now. So yes, that deserves plaudits, and I think I am giving it plaudits. Now if it was two second round picks in this draft, like I said earlier, that‘s an A (and if it was the Knicks getting their own second rounder in this year’s draft back, that’s an A+).

    But really, B/B+/A, the main thing is that it was a good trade. And it was. Jackson’s best deal yet.

  8. Someone gave up assets for Michael Carter Williams? Oh, it’s the Bucks. Looks like they’ve got themselves one of those “DIY” coaches who thinks he can fix anything that’s miserably broken.

  9. Late second round picks are barely better than signing walk-ons or D League guys.
    Good chance these picks never play a single minute in the NBA . . . and have relatively no trade value.

    I agree, Phil’s best trade so far. It’s a D+.

    Edit: After more thought, I considered lowering the grade. But really, it’s a transaction not even worth rating.

  10. Re-edit: After more thought, I’d rather try to re-sign Prigs cheap for next season as veteran guidance and good locker room guy.

    Revised grade: D-

  11. Hoola, what would you consider a fair haul for a 37 year old back up point guard (albeit a very good one)?

  12. I found this hilarious:

    Stat of the day—> RT @bball_ref: The Sixers don’t have a single 5-man unit left that has played over 5 minutes together this season

    Philly tank keeps chugging along…..

  13. If the current knicks were to play against the dregs and misfits that we have let go over the past few years, who would win? I’m not talking Chander and Mosgov. I’m thinking it would look like this:
    G: Lin, Landry Fields, Brewer, Beno Udrich
    F: Extra E, Steve Novak, Cope
    C: Earl Barron, Ronnie Turriaf

    Could we beat that team? I’m not sure we could!

  14. Shved and 2 seconds round picks means Mike has to reevaluate that post from yesterday. Everybody knows good teams have lots of picks stored away.

  15. A, B ??????
    Tell me, what’s good about getting getting guys that are not going to make the roster that have no trade value.

    I’d rather have a really good D-Leaguer that’s showing signs.

  16. Hoola, what would you consider a fair haul for a 37 year old back up point guard (albeit a very good one)?

    I’d rather re-sign Pablo for his for a minimum contract to keep him around to help teach and develop some of the kids we’re going to be stacked with along with sophomore coach. (J. Kidd light) . . .
    Certainly, not worthy of giving un-due praise to Phil.

  17. I mean it’s clear Hoola’s not interested at all in giving PJ or even Melo a fair shake. Repeating the “2nd round picks almost never work out” canard doesn’t substitute for an actual argument. Having more picks is good, full stop, and there’s always talent that goes in the second round or even goes undrafted (Galloway is just one example) even if the success rate is relatively low (though I doubt that it’s significantly lower than the success rate of first round picks in terms of years in the NBA or even perhaps in productivity). We got two picks for the future that don’t require guaranteed money, a youngish guard on an expiring contract who has shown flashes of good play in his limited NBA tenure, and freed up a small portion of cap space. To give this trade below a B is simply farcical.

  18. THIRTY-SEVEN YEARS OLD. Think about that. When Steve Nash was 37, he was still a top-3 point guard. When he was 38, he was much worse, and when he was 39, he couldn’t play a minute without his back spontaneously imploding.

    Old players who can actually play are ticking time bombs. The Knicks just traded him for two 19-23 year old players on non-guaranteed minimum salaries. This is an A+ trade, no matter where in the 2nd round the picks end up being.

  19. I doubt we could get Pablo for a minimum contract I’m sure teams on the bubble would be lining up to give him a 1 year at the mini mid level or something. Even then, Pablo’s no Jason Kidd–he’s not gonna cure any head cases and his “leadership” is almost definitely not worth the 2 second round picks and cap relief from the deal

  20. This trade shouldn’t even be graded. He took the best offer for Prigs. It wasn’t much, but it was better than nothing. A computer program written in 1972 could have optimally executed this trade. Perhaps the worst signing in franchise history gets rose petals blown up his rear when he asks to please go home early, but maybe the only real team first warrior this team has seen in years gets shipped out and we are counting beans.

    Ode to Pablo. You were a man among boys. I’ll be rooting for you to knock the Chandlers, Rondo and STAT out of the playoffs, ten minutes at a time.

  21. Hoolahoop,

    Even though second round picks usually turn into nothing, they still have value in trades, and Phil could use them this summer. So they are not nothing. And you completely ignore Shved. He has some value, and fills a hole on the Knicks team this season.

    It will be interesting to see Pablo play with Houston. I think he could get Howard a bunch of easy buckets.

  22. #22

    + 100

    Loved Prigs. Really happy for us and for him that we traded him now. To argue that PJax is terrible because 2nd round picks have no value is just plain stupid. The same people will argue when we’re trading them away that “there goes another potential Ginobili! This team never thinks about its future!” Etc etc.

    Good trade. I think Schved can play (I liked him as a rook), I think two 2nd rounders are useful, I think we were a waste of Prigs talents, which do not include JKiddian mentoring. Hope Prigs experiences some joy in the playoffs before his pro career is done.

  23. And you completely ignore Shved. He has some value, and fills a hole on the Knicks team this season.

    Unless Shved astonishes everyone, his rights will be renounced at the end of the year (his cap hold will be more than $4 million!). So he really should be ignored. It’s the two second round draft picks that matter.

  24. And yeah, that small savings isn’t much against next year’s cap, but it IS something, and you never know – which is the point. Prepare as best you can, give yourself flexibility and options, and you position yourself to get lucky.

  25. I’ll miss Pablo but he’s in a better place now.

    I have no reaction to the trade. It was inconsequential. It gets a shrug. How long until opening day?

  26. $4M is more than I expected for his cap hold. I am sure he will get renounced, but I agree the picks are something.

  27. To give this trade below a B is simply farcical.

    To give this trade any grade at all is pretty farcical.

    It is a non-event until the draft picks are made, 3 years from now. Grade it then. Until then, just enjoy watching Pablo in the playoffs.

  28. “Shved on Draft Express:
    In this regard, his style of play is very similar to the way Goran Dragic played for Phoenix this season. Shved is an even better passer, though. He instinctively makes smart, simple passes within the flow of the offense, but he can also wow you at times with his imagination and his ability to thread the needle and find the open man diving to the rim for an easy basket.”
    No one else appreciates the irony of this? DraftExpress routinely compares prospects to guys in the league, but I don’t think that I have ever read one of their scouting reports in which they compared a guy to Dragic. So, the Knicks missed out on Dragic, but they traded for the one guy in the entire league who DraftExpress compared to Dragic.

  29. Besides, now we can make Schved jokes.

    Best argument so far in favor of the trade.

    THIRTY-SEVEN YEARS OLD. Think about that. When Steve Nash was 37, he was still a top-3 point guard. When he was 38, he was much worse, and when he was 39, he couldn’t play a minute without his back spontaneously imploding.

    Old players who can actually play are ticking time bombs. The Knicks just traded him for two 19-23 year old players on non-guaranteed minimum salaries. This is an A+ trade, no matter where in the 2nd round the picks end up being.

    Your premise proves my point more than yours. 37-39 year olds can be surprisingly effective. Pablo is in good shape. LATE second rounders have little-to-no value. They won’t play a single minute for the knicks. And they have zero trade value, except for possibly acquiring a guy like Pablo, if you’re lucky.

  30. i think mcdaniels will get buried on houston’s bench and i can’t see a huge offer from someone if that’s the case…

    but he is an intriguing offseason target… basically getting a 2014 1st rd pick back…

  31. will houston be able to keep Mcdanials? He would be a nice player to add in the offseason

    Yeah, they’ll be able to keep him under the Gilbert Arenas provision.

  32. I actually did mean to say something along the lines of it being Jackson’s best trade but also one of his least consequential. Like getting an A+ on a paper that only counts for 5% of your total grade. It’s still good to get the A+, but keep it in perspective.

  33. Well, nothing wrong with giving a 26 year old an audition. Even if we renounce his rights, we would have some kind of advantage respect to other teams if he settles to sign a minimum contract.

    He was a better shooter in Russia than when he came to the NBA, maybe he puts it together…

  34. if the bucks are not willing to pay for knight will they give money to Middleton. The Affalo trade could put Matthews more on the market or they could try to trade Batum.

  35. We don’t even know if they’re going to be late second rounders. Remember when everyone laughed at people like me complaining that we were trading away all our second round picks because late second round picks aren’t valuable? Well ha fucking ha, Houston is going to have a really high second round pick because we dealt it to them for the rotted corpse of Marcus Camby.

  36. As said, having watched Shved a lot early on (not much this year), I think he can’t be dismissed as a pickup. He MAY be a keeper…and if not, he’ll get renounced quickly.

    A decent PG for half Calderon’s cost wouldn’t be the worst player to pick up for next season, though.

  37. Unless Shved astonishes everyone, his rights will be renounced at the end of the year (his cap hold will be more than $4 million!). So he really should be ignored.

    There is a middle ground between astonishes and a bust. The hope would be that Shved and Fisher (a former PG) have a good relationship, he shows some promise and we’re able to re-sign him at the minimum. The following year I believe we would then have early bird rights. The guy could develop into a solid backup PG.

  38. $4M is more than I expected for his cap hold. I am sure he will get renounced, but I agree the picks are something.

    I believe I was wrong on what I said was his initial cap hold – I think his cap hold is actually a bit under $4 million ($3.8 million) instead of a bit over (which I initially thought, $4.1 million). But either way, he’s getting renounced.

  39. There is a middle ground between astonishes and a bust. The hope would be that Shved and Fisher (a former PG) have a good relationship, he shows some promise and we’re able to re-sign him at the minimum. The following year I believe we would then have early bird rights. The guy could develop into a solid backup PG.

    But they’d be able to sign him for the minimum if they didn’t trade for him. He’s an impending free agent. And his cap hold is too big to not renounce. So for the purposes of the trade, he’s basically meaningless (just like you can’t really count Lance Thomas as being acquired for Shump since the Knicks waived Thomas before they re-signed him). But sure, this allows them to scout him in person, which is something, I suppose.

  40. Yes but relationships matter here. Phil and Fish will be able to view him up close (game, personality, work ethic, etc.) and vice-versa. If all goes well, Shved would sign with us over any other team at the minimum.

    Did you just update your post to add that last line while I was typing mine? If not, I have to be more diligent in reading posts to which I am responding.

  41. Hoola, what would you consider a fair haul for a 37 year old back up point guard (albeit a very good one)?

    A high second round pick would be an A.

  42. he could be an interesting piece… i mean we are basically the only team that runs the triangle now and the triangle has made some very limited guards look ok… especially if you can shoot…

    it’s a free look to see if he could do that here… it’s probably not going to be shvedsanity but we need players for next year and it’s better now than later to see what he can do for us…

  43. Your premise proves my point more than yours. 37-39 year olds can be surprisingly effective. Pablo is in good shape. LATE second rounders have little-to-no value. They won’t play a single minute for the knicks. And they have zero trade value, except for possibly acquiring a guy like Pablo, if you’re lucky.

    It doesn’t prove your point. They may not be valuable as trade pieces, but as Hassan Whiteside, Jeremy Lin and plenty of other players show, NBA teams tend to be god-awful at evaluating talent, especially in the draft. Outside of a top-3 pick, the #31 pick might be the best value in the draft. Unloading a guy who is nearing retirement for two of those picks, spread out over time, is an outstanding move.

    The only thing to do now is reevaluate the drafting criteria, or — you’re right! — the draft picks are virtually useless.

    This is more an issue of poor drafting strategy than a poor, or even neutral, trade. Those picks are damned valuable, if you have a scouting/stats team that does more than say, “Looks like a player, that one. Lots of upside. Athletic. Natural. Fluid.”

  44. Yeah, the picks are clearly valuable. It’s just a matter of sooner picks being more valuable than later picks. That’s the only thing that makes this not an A for me (as the Knicks need sooner picks more than they need future picks). But getting second round picks for a player the Knicks wanted to get rid of is definitely a real value here.

  45. Yeah, I’d rather have draft assets today than draft assets tomorrow. You can, however, plan on teams in “win-now” mode to unload future 1st round picks as though they’re not very valuable. Sort of how Isiah did it. Like, “We’re going to be so good three years from now, we don’t even need to worry about the draft!”

  46. I remember when Houston played the Knicks. Prigioni played Harden pretty well and had an effective game. I wonder if that contributed to this trade. anyway, it’s going to be fun watching them play some of the Western teams. I’m really happy for him. I hope it works out.

  47. Did Utah get any picks for Kanter because if not why didn’t. Phil get on the phone with them? I don’t even really like him but if I can rent him for some expirings I would’ve just to see if there is something there. He is tall, can score, rebounds, and is young. Why not see if his defensive issues can be coached up

  48. This trade is a total non event other than the remote possibility that clearing another 300k in cap space helps us land someone we could use next year.

    The chances of either of Houston’s late 2nd round picks turning out to be more than roster filler that could you could get out of the D league or off waivers if negligible.

    The chances that they will have any decent value in a trade is a negligible.

    IMO, the fact that they are not current picks is actually a positive. We know they are late 2nd round picks now. But in a few years maybe Dwight Howard and James Harden are both hurt and Houston is not nearly as good. IMO that tiny risk enhances their value.

    Pablo is a solid professional backup that will help Houston, but he was useless to us because he’ll be retired by the time we are any good. So anything we get for him is better than nothing. But this deal is a total non event. Grading this deal would be kind of like grading a test where all you had to do was sign your name at the top of the paper.

  49. Phil has put all his eggs in the FA basket, but as time is passing, both the quantity and quality of that basket keeps shrinking. To me, it still feels like he made mistakes in BOTH the Chandler and Shumpert/JR deal. I’m still holding out hope that either Thanasis or Cleanthony shocks us to the upside in a couple of years, but that’s the only scenario that salvages what appears to be a debacle right now.

  50. I can’t believe there are some people complaining about this. No it’s not a god damn coup, but it’s two second round picks. Those are good to have, better to have than not to have anyway. There was talk of us waiving Pablo a few weeks ago. Instead we turned him into assets, however small. I think BC put it best, A+ on 5% of your grade.

    What should we have done instead? Kept Pablo for the duration of his contract? I love Pablo as much as the next guy (probably more actually), but dude…leadership? The guy doesn’t speak english!

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  52. You can’t like Pablo AND argue that the 2nd round picks are useless, since a shrewd GM just used those exact picks to trade for Pablo!!

    One way of thinking of this deal: We trade a declining asset for appreciating assets (in the sense that, the closer you get to those drafts, the more valuable the picks become) plus a little cap room. The only cost to us (besides opportunity cost) is Pablo’s productivity over the intervening period, but that is actually another win, because we’re trying to be bad!

  53. We still have a decent shot of moving Calderon this summer? Why? Points-someone has to score them for this team now. And Jose looks like he’s found his shot, so why not him? Buckle up, fellas-this tank ain’t slowing down.

  54. @48 — be careful about arguing how valuable a number 31 pick is. Someone might mistakenly conclude that you think that, by getting the #34 pick in a loaded draft in the Chandler trade, the Knicks picked up something very valuable.

  55. Shved and 2 seconds round picks means Mike has to reevaluate that post from yesterday. Everybody knows good teams have lots of picks stored away.

    I just need to edit that one part:

    Regular folk: “Well at least you know they’ll be a lot better next year, right?”

    Me: “Yes. With two future second round picks, the team is now golden.”

  56. And Shved just posted a WS/48 of .131 on 344 minutes (cue Mike Kurylo here).

    With a ts% of 47.9% (despite getting a ton of free throws)!

    (Since when do I give a rats behind about WS/48?)

    This guy has averaged 5.8 3pa/36 and 29.6% in 2800+ minutes. That tells you:
    1. He can’t shoot threes.
    2. He doesn’t know he can’t shoot threes.

    Now 3p% is perhaps the easiest thing to improve, but honestly he should be helping Westchester until he can fix his shot.

  57. I’m not saying that 2nd round picks are going to turn this franchise around, folks. But moving an ancient PG (no matter how effective he is) for flexible assets is a good move.

  58. Prigs was my favorite Knick guard in a long long time (non-linsanity edition). Sorry to see him go but very happy he’ll be playing meaningful basketball….

  59. @ Captain Luke – exactly, Phil traded a backup pg who is likely in Europe (as been reported) or retired next year. Pablo was not doing much for the team with the worst record in the NBA. He got something. But as someone mentioned prior this trade though being a B or B+ is worth less than 5% of the final grade. Unfortunately the grade has all but been determined this year based on the Chandler trade, the terrible Melo signing, and Melo’s subsequent injury. So yay?

  60. Note to self for future.
    I’d rather have Prigs. Everyone else on knickerblogger would rather have two future late rounders from Houston.

    Anyway, for the most part, this was a non-event. Maybe, more than anything, I responded to the accolades (“solid A, A-, strong B”) Phil was receiving for pulling off this heist.

  61. This guy has averaged 5.8 3pa/36 and 29.6% in 2800+ minutes. That tells you:
    1. He can’t shoot threes.
    2. He doesn’t know he can’t shoot threes.

    Does he have a brother named Chris that we can sign too?

  62. The reason I might want to tilt this trade to the plus side of the equation is that I liked Prigioni and this is a much better situation for him. We were never winning anything with Pablo so losing him only means we have less of a chance of winning which is the only objective. There’s a remote chance that the draft picks can be used in a trade at some point in the future.

  63. This is what being a Knicks fan is all about: hoping your favorite players get traded somewhere decent so they can actually win something.

    As this team continues its long, slow death march, I will turn my attention to the Mets, who have 7 prospects in today’s Baseball America too 100 list, and who have a consensus top 5 farm system to go along with several very nice, cost-controlled pieces on the major league roster, including last year’s NL Rookie Of The Year. They may not win a World Series soon, but they’re an exciting young team with a lot of high-upside players on cheap contracts. In other words, the kind of Knick team we will probably never see as long as we all shall live.

  64. Don’t want to harsh your melo, JK, but the only reason the Mets have high upside players on cheap contracts is that they’re too broke to afford them when they develop into good players. Yanks rule! Sure maybe not this year. Or next year. But sometime.

    Saw a lot of Houston fans on twitter today bitching about picking up Don Pablocito. It should be interesting to see how long it takes them to realize he’s the fucking shit. I mean, his one weakness on offense is that he can’t get into the lane. . .but he’s going to be playing with the premier lane getting into guy in the NBA.

  65. i think the knicks should maximize and take a look at those waived players. I love Pablo but that is a good move. Pablo deserves to play in a contender. We can easily replace Pablo by getting some senior citezens or unknown players abroad. What about Jayson Castro (Best PG in Asia) or even the old pg from greece and spain.

  66. Sixers got 5 centers and 1 point guard? while Suns still got too many PGs?

    GMs must think differently, but what the

  67. There’s one parameter missing in evaluating this trade: what’s the percentage of rotation players selected in the late second round, vs. the percentage of rotation players that went undrafted.

    If the former is equal or greater than the later, this trade is good. (equal is also “good” because if a player is undrafted you have to compete for him, and if he’s drafted he’s yours.)

  68. And Shved just posted a WS/48 of .131 on 344 minutes (cue Mike Kurylo here)

    With a ts% of 47.9% (despite getting a ton of free throws)! (Since when do I give a rats behind about WS/48?)

    He’s been in the league 3 years. Everybody knows it takes a couple of years to adjust to the NBA. In his 3rd year, his TS% was .538 on 344 minutes driven by a .442 FTr and a .832 FT%. He’s got potential to be a rotation player. And we all know Morey is dicey at evaluating PGs – he jettisoned Dragic and Lowry just before they peaked and signed Lin’s balloon contract.

  69. 1. He can’t shoot threes. 2. He doesn’t know he can’t shoot threes. Now 3p% is perhaps the easiest thing to improve, but honestly he should be helping Westchester until he can fix his shot.

    Sounds like you wouldn’t have shved a tear if we hadn’t signed this guy. I ran a query which might buoy your spirits: Only 16 guards (MP >1000) since the start of the 3fg era have shot >=83% from the line and <=30% on 3FG%. I'm not claiming this guy's gonna be a star but this is the type of pickup in that deal Phil needed to make. He's someone who could be a young cheap backup PG.

  70. Sorry forgot to add that’s 16 out 192 guards (> 1000MP and >=83% FT%) or about 8%. If we change 3fg% from 30% to 33% it’s 71 out of 192 or 37%. Those stats are over their careers not an individual season. Of course, it would be useful to know what % of guards who shot 29% in the first couple of years were able to improve to >=33%.

  71. Everybody knows it takes a couple of years to adjust to the NBA.

    Landry Fields never got the memo.

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