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Monte McNair out in Sacramento: https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6286283/2025/04/17/kings-general-manager-monte-mcnair-fired/
As terrible an owner as James Dolan has been, there are only two times I can think of where he stepped in to override a basketball decision: hijacking the Melo trade talks from Donnie Walsh, and overriding the attempt to trade for Kyle Lowry. The Melo deal was catastrophic, obviously. But he’s not constantly telling his basketball people what to do in the way that Ranadive or Ishbia seem to be doing.
So the question is which is worse:
1)An owner with a long history of bad judgment on whom to hire to make the basketball decisions (but who made a good choice this most recent time), but who mostly stays out of the way once those people are hired;
or
2)An owner who thinks he knows more about basketball than the veteran basketball people, and is constantly telling them what to do?
Charlie Ward is going to be the basketball coach at Florida A&M.
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6283886/2025/04/16/florida-am-charlie-ward-mens-basketball-coach-hire/
Alan, option 1 is a no brainer for me. Our owner is also willing to spend, which can’t be taken for granted.
Charlie Ward. What a weird career. Some of it was beyond his control, but how often do you see a two-sport athlete go pro only in his weaker sport?
Man that Florida state team that Charlie Ward was on in college was so much fun.
I think Ward made the right move. A career in the NFL can do a lot of damage to your body, especially back in the 90’s. I think he also realized, smartly, that even though he was a great college QB, his lack of height would have limited his pro career.
I will say, though, that on those Knicks teams I always felt like he was just kind of a guy who was there out on the court but pretty replaceable. I guess he was good at defense and could organize an offense and not turn it over. But he was the least exciting guy on that 99 team.
For all the horrible things Phil Jackson did at GM, I think the one positive from his regime is that he was the one who convinced Dolan to not get involved in basketball decisions anymore.
Happy for Charlie Ward. He seems like he was destined to be a coach. Such a great leader. I didn’t think he’d want to deal with the college atmosphere, so that part is a slight surprise. And I think he could have still been a good NFL QB too. He was small for the times, but he wasn’t that small. If Doug Flutie could play in the more physical and nasty era, Ward could have too.
I don’t think Jackson really wanted to MMM and give him a no-trade clause to boot. Anthony had a very powerful sycophant very high up in the organization that pre-existed Phil and his name rhymed with lame sell colon.
Hey Z-man, i’ve been to Copenhagen, beautiful city by the way (and the country too), in 1995 so i’m of little help, but… yeah, now it gets interesting… 🙂 …at the time i was visiting a couple, that are one of my parents’ best friends, and their daughters. I know them very well since i was very little because we used to spent vacations in the Algarve in the summer. If you want, i can ask them for advice. The girls were there for middle school and high school, so they have a lot of danish friends and go back from time to time.
cyber, that’s cool! Any help you could give would be great! It’s the same kid that you helped out when she was in Portugal, and she’s traveling with her beau. She’s become a huge Knicks fan and converted him as well, to the point where they want to pull a cyber/Max/etc. and stay at a bar until 3AM!
“As terrible an owner as James Dolan has been, there are only two times I can think of where he stepped in to override a basketball decision”
You left out the refusal to match Lin’s poison pill, but I sort of understood that one.
Just like hybrid method vs. total rebuild, I don’t have a strong preference because it’s much more about the execution than the method, meaning the people involved. Cuban is an example of a meddling owner who did a pretty solid job over the years.
In Leon’s case, he could have been a lot further along without some clear mistakes that most of us would not have made…in the draft (e.g. Obi), in trades (e.g. Mikal), and in free agency (e.g. running back the 2020-21 team). I doubt that Presti would ever have made those mistakes, even if he was restricted to the hybrid method.
That’s the spirit! 🧡💙
I’m going to ask them for advice and i’ll get back to you.
I hate Dolan but I disagree, think it was a total Phil move. Reports at the time were that Phil presented multiple options to Melo as a test and that sounds exactly like the type of bullshit Phil would try.
Don’t know why you’d understand that one. A year later we traded for Bargnani and paid even more in luxury tax than if we had just matched the Lin poison pill.
Skimming Ward’s advanced stats and they are better than I would’ve guessed. He led the entire NBA in DBPM one year.
Allen Iverson seems to believe he could’ve been in the football Hall of Fame and I’m inclined to believe him.
Ward made the correct decision. Lots of Heisman trophy winners flop in the NFL. As an NFL prospect, he was far from elite. He lacked big time arm strength to throw outside the numbers from the pocket, He was short for a QB. I looked it up and he was the 8th ranked QB in that draft.
He was the 3rd ranked pg in his NBA draft and had a good career with an excellent team. He made 35 million dollars and didn’t get his brains scrambled or his body broken in the process.
Wisest decision he ever made.
“Don’t know why you’d understand that one. A year later we traded for Bargnani and paid even more in luxury tax than if we had just matched the Lin poison pill.”
These are two separate transactions.
Lin was never worth what he would have cost, and no intelligent executive would have matched that offer. That was the whole point of More’s move…not even Dolan was stupid enough to match. PS Lin was coming off knee surgery and turned out to be not that great anyway.
As to the Bargnani transaction, it’s true that that move was a colossal blunder. There was a much better way to use those assets under those cap circumstances. But that had nothing to do with Dolan’s meddling, unlike the Lin refusal, other than matching Lin would have prevented it.
Ward was definitely underrated. Very solid 2-way player.
To be successful, you need someone that understands how much a player contributes to winning, someone that understands how much he is worth salary-wise and someone that understands basketball well enough to know how to fit players together to maximize the whole. Then of course you need a very good coach for the team you’ve built.
Anyone that thought it was a good idea to add LaVine to DeRozan should be fired, but having already seen that combination in Chicago, they should probably be barred for life.
When I look at that Kings roster, I think I might trade every single player on the team. I certainly don’t want any of the name players and I’d probably even include Sabonis in that.
I forgot about the Lin offer sheet. Regardless, it’s been about a decade since Dolan told one of his execs what to do regarding the team.
Lin was a good match for D’Antoni. MDA always got the best out of PGs. If you surrounded Lin with shooters and opened up the floor, he was willing to drive, take contact and could finish or get to the FT line (at least until the injuries started piling up). He also had decent enough passing skills. In a more standard offense at that time he was less effective, but then the injuries more or less did him in.
Speaking of the Lin thing, I am relieved to discover that the Tumblr rant I published where I renounced my Knicks fandom over it no longer exists. It’s not even on the Wayback Machine.
The Sphere remains the Knicks MVP. And that’s factorial.
Respectfully, why are we giving James Dolan any grace? Who cares if you can’t trace specific bad moves directly to him?
He let Mills, Isiah, Jax, and Scott Layden run the team into the ground. And it’s pretty easy to imagine how his ego created a bad culture got in the way of the team’s progress.
Finally, FINALLY he hired a decent exec and got out of the way. Other franchises have had 2-3 iterations of contenders.
Trying to be objective is different than giving grace.
D’Antoni opted for Chris Duhon over Steph Marbury. Horrible decision imho.
D’Antoni also ran Lin into the ground by riding him like Secretariat. He never would have lasted the entire season if he was retained. And as stated, he wasn’t very good to begin with. Linsanity was an illusion…beautiful while it lasted but destined to wither.
D’Antoni also loved Raymond Felton.
Most importantly, Lin and Melo were a bad match, mostly due to Melo.
The Melo trade was really the big downer. gave up two pieces too many, and hard-capped that team, especially after Amar’e reached his expiration date in 2012.
Lin was definitely worth the contract the Rockets gave him. Over the course of the 3 seasons it covered, he averaged 76 games played, 15-6-3-1.5 per-36, and a .548 TS% (102 TS+). His contract accounted for around 14%, 13%, and 12% of the cap for those years.
I definitely would’ve loved to see what the 2012-2013 team could’ve done with him on it, and to the best of my recollection that wouldn’t have prevented us from making any of the good roster moves we made that offseason anyway.
heat over hawks and griz over mavs i actually tought that the griz would beat warriors, so i’ll stay consistent on probably overating them
The most interesting thing about Charlie Ward is that he is the all-time leader in playoff DBPM by a decent margin. Yes DBPM is an imperfect stat, but the players immediately below him are:
Draymond Green
Ben Wallace
Hakeem Olajuwon
David Robinson
Tony Allen
Giannis Antetokounmpo
Kawhi Leonard
So it’s obviously not 100% bullshit. He did this over 72 games and without particularly good defensive rebounding numbers (Jokic’s hack for this stat) and with only 10 blocks the entire way.
In overall BPM his career mark is 40th best all time, with the names immediately below being:
Damian Lillard
Russell Westbrook
Jason Kidd
Chauncey Billups
Draymond Green
Jayson Tatum
Joel Embiid
Karl Malone
His career playoff mark of 4.6 BPM would have led our team for the regular season this year…
Trading for Lowry would have been a big win in Knicks history. He was the 2-way pg that we desperately needed… I don’t really remember Ward as being all that good…
I’m not saying i want him, but today i read this…
LOL
We would have had Lin full season instead of Corey Brewer or James White (who started games for us that year!) When we went full small ball with 3 guard line ups at the end of the season, we would ahve had another guard for that rotation and someone who could have played minutes when Kidd was fully gassed in the playoffs.
I think he was basically on par with Felton and that would have made the team better.
I thought that Grunwald objected to the Bargnani trade and was promptly reassigned.
Sacto is hiring old friend Scott Perry as GM.
Yup. And also, we got rid of Novak! I know he was a one trick pony but he did that one trick REALLY well.
Also, felt like then when the Lowry trade was a possibility, Dolan balked at it because he realized he got fleeced by Toronto for Bargs and didn’t want to double down but the trade was literally Lowry for Shump, which would have been a heist.
According to RAPM, Ward was a top 20 to 30 defender in the league at his peak, which is pretty damn good for a PG.
Isn’t that where we took him from?
I always thought Childs was better than Ward which is why I preferred him late in games but looking back especially with the advanced stats Ward was clearly the better player.
Jeremy Lin was in fact a little underrated post Knicks. He was a perfectly solid average NBA guard type before injuries caught up with him.
I do sometimes have thoughts about getting Lin without Melo ever being on the team. He wasn’t a star but he would have been a fun cheap piece to work with.
Yes, but he was only there briefly, I think, before we hired him to work with Mills.
You might say he was more or less the Mikal Bridges of 2010s NBA guards which we now know is worth about 5x 1RPs.
“Regardless, it’s been about a decade since Dolan told one of his execs what to do regarding the team.“
Good for Scott Perry. Felt kinda sorry for him in that you land your dream job and quickly realise your boss is an idiot and then your new boss knows he inherited you. Which reminded me, based on Alan’s comment, of the cringe-worthy press conference Dolan ordered early in the 2019-20 season. Nothing to do with a decision about the team, but a reminder of his dickishness. Given Leon runs a leak-proof shop, wonder if “hands off Dolan” is strictly true.
How weird must it be for TJ Warren to make the third team All-G-League.
Like, it’s an honor, but…third team of the G-League? Yiiiiiiiikes.
Three Westchester Knicks made the All-G-League team (Moses Brown was second team, and Okeke was on the third team with Warren).
loving that the post season has kicked in…
okay, so one real “surprise” so far out of the games, chicago not showing up…
atlanta versus miami, picking miami, mainly because I’m getting tired of losing picking against them…
memphis versus dallas, picking dallas because prior to every big on their squad getting hurt, and then kyrie’s season ending injury, i had them in the top 4 of their conference…
spencer dinwiddie is no kryie irving, by a lot, but he is a seasoned competent player with the ball in his hands…AD when he plays is really good, and they have some other nice pieces…
friday should be 2 competitive and interesting games…
this weekend is a bit of basketball saturation, not saying too much of a good thing, nothing like waking up to some sport’s playoffs, probably key in on our game and take it from there…
after the moves memphis and denver made it would surprise me if either made it past the first round…
Surprised to see that Suns Reddit is very gung ho on trading KD to get Bridges back
that was a season to test their fanhood…
might as well remove our g-league team we don’t seem to develop anyone there that we will ever use
you can sort of, maybe, get your head around trading luka, for a much better package…maybe…
but what it did for the lakers is crazy…
it looks like they’ve managed to secure a young and competent coach, first time the guy has ever coached…
rui and reaves both mature really well this season, vanderbilt comes back from injury, they add DFS…
and then the mavs gift them luka, one of the best players in the league, who’s maturing and who plays even better in the playoffs…
what a sad sad story 😩
you know at some point they’ll land a good center for next season…
Can’t believe Okeke is in Cleveland.
Dinwiddie doesn’t really play for them anymore. Naji Marshall and Dante Exum are their point guards.
It’s not ideal.
thanks BC, I checked in on the game, and was wondering who had the ball for them…
saw it was exum, thought he might’ve been checking in for a bit…
just looked at the boxscore, wow dinwiddie with 2 minutes…looks like exum moved the ball well…
naji is 6’6″, but mostly a neutral defender…dinwiddie must be cooked on defense…
I need the Heat to win so that Alec Burks will be a playoff starting shooting guard somehow.
It’s not even close to true. He’s also meddling with the Rangers.
Now, to Adolescence, currently having something of a talk of the town moment. (*) No spoilers.
1. Technically outstanding. First-rate acting, and the “one-take” idea worked swimmingly, evoking the discordant jumble of emotions and confusions of the characters and context very well. I’d even go so far as to say it evokes adolescence itself.
2. Does an admirable job positing social media and the desire for attention and validation thereon as a potentially crippling feature of modern childhood and adolescence.
3. With that said, ultimately the purpose of drama is to tell a compelling story about humans and here … not so great. Indeed, it lost me plot/story-wise maybe halfway in for a very fundamental reason: the protagonist boy is nowhere near homely enough to be a bullied “incel.” In fact, I’d make it no worse than a coin flip that he’s a future member of the “20%.” That flaw pretty much ruined things — much like when Daenerys Targaryen brought out the dragons as a weapon of war far too late in Game of Thrones when they were seen to be so powerful that she could have wiped out her myriad enemies before the start of episode one and not bothered with all the rest.
4. This observation is one you won’t see much if at all from the critics; indeed, many would frown upon it (or worse), given the societal norm about overtly commenting on physical appearance. While I’m generally fine with the norm, it can’t be the norm in a drama where the story posits physical appearance and appeal as the indispensable fulcrum upon which the plot and the drama turns.
5. There’s also a fundamental thematic problem, going back at least to the days of Lenin, which we also see in things like The Substance, which is that it’s virtually an iron-clad law of the cosmos that anytime a work is overtly made to Illustrate and Bemoan an Important Problem with Society (TM), it’s doomed to fail artistically. Here, the Important Problem (TM) is “toxic masculinity” (TM), and the unavoidable didacticism with which the directors and producers go about their way is ultimately unconvincing and badly undercuts the art and the story. While it didn’t go to Substance lengths of pounding the heads of the audience with how very important the Important Problem was — over and over and over and over again — it still ultimately didn’t work.
Not the stuff for Art for Art’s Sake types, but as with The Substance, unsurprisingly very appealing to the universe of Metacritic-linked critics. My Metacritic “number” for it would be something like a 60 — which could easily have been worse.
(*) Our esteemed colleague reviewed it for Rolling Stone and even dropped in an asterisked footnote! I’d highly recommend a click-through read.
watching nba today, main analysis reference sacramento: the kings have completely crumbled…
they’re hiring scott perry, which at this point may be a good move for them…
that was a quick tumble for that franchise, not that they were so high to begin with, but bad move after bad move after bad move have left them with “pieces”…
3 main pieces one is suspect, one is old, one is good but limited (would sabonis be better as a power forward?)…
glad I’m not a kings fan…
There have been numerous leaks during Rose’s time here.
whoa E, how are you sir?
I think i read the show’s premise somewhere…
that’s cool you’re enjoying it so much…it sounds awesome…clarifying and revelatory in nature…
remember to binge responsibly and continue to eat, drink and sleep…
any first round series in particular you’re looking forward to?
i thought that redick was a great hire at the time they made it kind of a basketball savang type who eats sleeps thinks basketball all the time kind of like thibs but without the crazy tendencies too bad lebron is almost done luka LBJ redick could have been a dynesty for the ages if in a different time frame
interesting idea, Knicks in 2025, but those typos — woof!
wouldn’t it be great if we had a copyeditor on the board?
someone to keep us honest about grammar, the proper antecedent, or just to remind us that, sometimes, some readers can become obtusely confused in the course of a normal discussion.
i’m sure some care more about that type of stuff than others
Remember that time Bobby Valentine came back into the dugout after being ejected wearing electrical tape on his lip as a fake mustache?
yea that was pretty danged funny fer sure
I don’t think Redick lives and breathes basketball. He was studying for the GMAT during the playoffs back when he was on the Sixers. Like Kerr, he’s just a smart adaptable guy.
Doogie? Who is Doogie? My name is Guy Incognito…
E, did you forget your password?
A friend of mine played golf with Scott Perry a few years ago, said he was very nice and charming. I guess it helps to get NBA jobs if you’re good on the golf course.
https://x.com/WFAN660/status/1912902625365832122 NY sports radio
Excellent example of why sports radio, or whatever we call it these days, should be avoided like the plague. Because it is like the plague.
I’m happy for Perry and I also think the job is a good fit for his strengths. With the Knicks he was good at negotiating deals and contracts. I never felt ripped off by anything he did. He didn’t seem so good at the overall strategy part (although it was hard to tell sometimes since there was what’s his name above him). On the Kings the owner is probably going to be setting the strategy and it may not be great, but at least they probably won’t make disastrous deals.
That guy on the radio sounds like he’s running for president.
We also would have accepted “Ron Mexico”
This is a fundamentally flawed assumption.
Carlos Danger.
The sock puppet thing is tricky. Obviously when you sound too much like the person you’re pretending not to be, that’ll be snuffed out. But Doogie has taught us that if you try to sound like the polar opposite of that person, well, the unity of opposites will carry the day.
I changed my handle once and nobody noticed. Am I good? Or was I merely forgettable?
Very happy that Pete Alonso is kicking major league ass in a major league way, and very happy that he’s doing it in a Mets uniform.
I think this is a misreading, or at least an oversimplification. This wasn’t the urgent message the show was trying to send, IMO. Obviously toxic masculinity, broadly defined, played a major role in the specific story being told, but I didn’t get the sense the shows creators wanted a critique of it to be the primary takeaway.
I think the idea they wanted to convey is that we’re living in an age in which people consume reams of content directed to them by algorithms that don’t even make a pretense of having their best interests in mind, and this is an especially terrifying phenomenon when it comes to children, who are biologically more impressionable, have fewer fully formed ideas about the world, and, well, simply have more time on their hands.
So sure, in this specific case the algorithms decided the “Manosphere,” incel ideology, or whatever you want to call it is what would be served up to a kid, and profoundly damaged him. But the terrifying takeaway from the show is that there are infinite possibilities in this regard, and it’s not a problem we seem to be taking all that seriously.
Well said!! My eldest is in 4th grade; uses her iPad twice a week with heavy parental controls; and I feel like I’m wading into murky waters.
Eerie that we’re talking about this and about Charlie Ward on the day of the FSU shooting.
I was admittedly mad the Yankees didn’t re-sign Juan Soto, but that was before I realized they had a “turn Ben Rice into Juan Soto” button.
I still think the internet can be a safe, healthy place for a kid. I know I learned a ton from the early/mid aughts version, and it helped me develop interests and hobbies I maintain to this day. There should be a way to harness the fact that we have easier access to entertainment and information than anyone in human history for good!
It just requires way more oversight than we thought and at a societal level we’re way behind when it comes to adapting to the “innovations” made by social media and social media adjacent companies.
There are some promising trends at the state level though, and what’s encouraging is this seems to be one of few issues that doesn’t (yet) have some kind of partisan valence. Both Democrats and Republicans seem to be slowly waking up to the idea that social media is awful for kids’ development.
Edwin Diaz sucks
I enjoyed “Adolescence” quite a bit although the third episode, which focused the most on the kid, was probably my least favorite episode. The last episode that focused on the aftermath, especially the two parents, was probably my favorite. And, as a parent of a absolutely adorable and silly 3 year old who is full of wonder and joy, the very last moment of the show completely wrecked me.
Dolan’s meddling was never a good thing, but refusing to pay 3X Jeremy Lin’s salary in luxury tax was never worth getting all that worked up about. He went on to be a mediocre-at-best offensive player who was routinely targeted on defense and injury-prone. His playoff stats with Houston were god-awful. Morey had to use a first to dump him, and that was at $8M, not the $15M the Knicks would have owed him at that time. Every stat he put up with the Knicks (and the bulk of those were inflated by his unsustainable Linsanity run) turned out to be a mirage.
First of all, if you ended up here, you may wish to rethink this.
More seriously, the internet is fundamentally different in the way people are inundated with directed content. Back in the day, the user was largely in control of their journey through the net and could find niche corners like KB. Today, that isn’t true.
The internet is heavily centered around a few large corporate sites that push you perpetually towards the content they want you to see, whether that’s the moneyed interests or what tends to be the most controversial content because that’s what creates the most engagement — hate it or love it. Small community blogs like KB have largely disappeared from search algorithms. Instead you find yourself on reddit, tiktok, or some other platform with directed content and will take you on long detours away from the content you’re actively looking for.
Moreover, because the platforms make drawing a large crowd easier, a niche blog like KB would likely get overrun with Knicks fans and impose their own non-niche views. I have nothing against fans who frequented P&T or The Knicks Wall, but there’s a reason I read every thread on this blog, only the posts on P&T, and avoided The Knicks Wall entirely. In effect, there’s less variety in opinion with the tyranny of the majority overrunning the space with whatever their views are.
And these large sites also make it difficult to build community because the large numbers breed anonymity, and studies show that anonymity causes people to act with fewer social graces.
you think maybe that’s just a cultural thing, maybe even mostly a US thing, not so much a global human thing…
the potential for enhanced human performance is incredible with developing tech…
the “internet” is easy access to resources…so many resources…
current greatest internet thing ever:
easy access to find current street dealer locations in gta online, oh yeah 420 bonus week on street dealer payouts…
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