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sorry for what happened to gianni’s but also at the same time happy that we dont need to debate acquiring him anymore at least for the time being good win last night all wins are good wins
After last night’s comments on hamstrings and achilles let’s certainly not rush OG back.
mikal and deuce are on track to put out a historic season of tandem possession security. for example, only two times in nba history has any 20 min/g player had at least 15 pts/36 and 3 assists/36 with 1 or fewer tov/36. yet both are pace for it as teammates. the cache brothers.
nice i knew that i was appreciating those two guys but that shines the light of a good perspective on it
achilles injury has been ruled out for gianni’s mri revealed calf strain of unknown severity biggest question is whether or not hes going to push trying to play or truly request a trade instead of giving the bucks more time
From what I recall of Durant and Halliburton, they could have had achilles injuries ruled out, too. Their achilles’ burst because it was compensating for the strained calf. I don’t know how long it takes for these things to fully recover but I know the historic luck of the Knicks and I ain’t rolling the dice any more. We have too much invested in this season.
Plus we have too many draft picks going to Brooklyn. We’d be dead if this turns out badly. (And if I’m Sean Marks I’m doing everything I can as a 3rd team to facilitate.)
Not a great sign when your main offseason acquisition cannot see the floor against the Hornets on a second night of a back to back.
It’s getting late early for Yabu.
I get the sense that he viewed this contract as winning the lottery. He’ll pick up his player option, collect his $10M, then head back to France and be a cheesemonger.
(And FWIW, no judgment, that is a great fucking plan.)
On a back-to-back, and against the Hornets, we basically did a very short rotation. Only 1 backup played 20 minutes. The others ranged from 9-13 minutes. I know we have some guys out, but if Yabu can’t play high teens or low 20s in a game like this, that is not a good sign. Why hasn’t Tosan gotten any time? I feel like he could contribute a little.
The other issue, is we are very small a lot of the time. That makes it even tougher to defend.
agree wit all dat i was very surprised to see how few minutes our bench players were on the floor we are supposed to have a much deeper bench this season than we did last year but if we arent using them then it kind of turns out the same last nights boxscore looked very much like the boxscores we railed against for most of last season in terms of bench minutes
anyone cook up a trade to get us Giannis?
Yabu being a complete non-factor really screwed things up.
Hukporti needs to stay on the floor more than 12min.
Hopefully Diawara can be trusted with extended runtime at some point.
Giannis is injured till the off-season then we trade our 2026 & 2033 plus ??? for him.
i didnt want gianni’s 24 hours ago and i want him even less now our new love jalen johnson was injured and didnt play last nite
We do have a starter and a sometime starter injured, so it’s a little harder to go deep in the rotation.
but if we were going to do it it would have been against a bad team on the second nite of a back to back and we still didnt
I don’t think it is just going deeper into the bench, it is playing the bench guys some more minutes (Kolek, Yabu, and Huk if he didn’t foul like wild). Maybe Jemison, who has NBA experience, could have gotten some time. Not a great sign if guys couldn’t get more minutes against a bad Hornets team, at home, on a back-to-back.
there might be an echo in here
back to the 3 seed now dangit
Part of the problem is that we didn’t put them away until the last few minutes.
It was an 8pt game with a little under 5min left and a 12pt game under 2min. We blew them away in those last 2min but it wasn’t unreasonable to secure the win.
Put me down as a “yes” for Giannis at just about any price, even with the calf injury. In fact, right now might be a good time to buy low.
Didn’t pt teach us that teams that hang around really only have a .5% chance of actually winning, so why not pull starters when you’re up by 11 with 3 mins to go instead of just when you’re down? Huh Mike Brown? Huh?
Playing the starters 34-37 minutes on a back to back seems very reasonable. We used to push guys into the 40s on these nights.
KAT’s the only guy whose minutes seemed high (39), hence the Yabu discussion. He should have been able to lop 3-5 minutes off that count.
Ha, that would be brilliantly evil… But I don’t think NBA minds think that way
With so many great point guards in the history of the league, it’s really hard to believe this is true. But I guess I’m thinking too much about TO ratio (3 to 1) as opposed to a hard limit of 1.
a.j. green is basically hitting 50 percent (79 of 159) of his 3 pointers on high volume (7 taken per game) wow
I am 100% ambivalent about Giannis. I like this team and have grown attached to the players. Giannis could possibly put us over the top, but could just as possibly wind up being a lateral move or worse…there’s lots of miles of hard road on those tires. If you are going to roll the dice, he’s definitely the kind of player you do it for, but I’d be very queasy about it.
I also think there will be other opportunities, maybe not for someone of Giannis’ caliber, but for a positive difference-making huge trade…or for filling our current holes via the draft or lower-stakes trades and signings.
Que sera sera.
While the Thunder are on pace to go 78-4 this season, they are also slotted to pick 7th, 9th, and 14th in the 2026 draft… so I think maybe our best chance might be to… I don’t know.
agree with all that z wrote
As to minutes, I generally don’t care all that much about how many minutes guys play, except in the obvious garbage time situations. When garbage time starts varies with the coach (and obviously Thibs was at one extreme) but whatever. There’s way bigger fish to fry.
The far more important issue for me is having the guys on the deep bench get enough non-garbage time reps to be ready if called upon, including in the playoffs. Those guys should be spotted in during second quarters and tasked with holding the fort, with as quick of a hook as is necessary, but not a doghouse.
Specifically, I think it is kind of urgent to give Huk a chance to show what he can do, since neither Mitch nor Yabu can be counted on right now. He looked decent last night, and had that stretch last year before he got hurt where he also looked decent. Someone needs to teach him how to set a legal screen, last night he moved on every single one, even though only 3 got called. I don’t think you can properly learn that in garbage time.
IMO, it’s difficult to put together a trade for Giannis that makes the Knicks worse. I think his recent injury history and the possibility we’d have to make another trade to get the lineups right are the major risks. We might kind of blow this year, fix the lineup issues in the off season and then be much better next year. It depends who goes out and whether Giannis plays some C.
He’s playing more PF now (which I believe is the correct move), but once OG is back, he may be out of the rotation entirely unless he starts making some kind of impact soon.
The more time passes, the more I like KAT as a player to root for, but the more convinced I am he can pile up points and be efficient against scrub teams but struggles when there is a legit matchup. When you combine that with deficiencies on the defensive end and the Brunson/Towns combo being a clear issue against good/smart teams, I think it’s KAT that has to go. I just can’t get around it. To be clear, I felt the same way about Randle for mostly different reasons, but I’m ending up in the same place.
They should trade a bunch of picks for Giannis and go 83-1
OKC should trade for Giannis just to make sure nobody else good gets him, then bench him to rub in everyone else’s face
This is the trade (has to be after Dec 15th)
Knicks get – Giannis, Myles Turner
Bucks get – KAT, Mikal Bridges, Dadiet (plus whatever picks we can give)
It works in the trade machine.
Brunson/Kolek
McBride/Clarkson
OG/Hart
Giannis/Yabu
Turner/Mitch/Huk
Question: what is KAT’s current market value? In other words, what could we get back for him in a trade? Specifically, what kind of draft haul?
I’m thinking at most two unprotected picks and matching salary, and that would be somewhat undesirable in nature for the trading partner, for example, Ja, Trae, LaMelo, Zion, etc. or a combo of smaller but still disappointing contracts. Does anyone have an opinion on this? More picks? Better players?
I ask this because it might have a bearing on a 3-way trade. If we could get those picks and funnel them to Milwaukee along with whichever players it takes, maybe they get interested.
walker, I would do that trade, but doubt that Milwaukee would because they could get a better package than that for those two. As indicated above, it would have to involve a third team that would trade picks for one or both of KAT and Mikal.
“While the Thunder are on pace to go 78-4 this season, they are also slotted to pick 7th, 9th, and 14th in the 2026 draft… so I think maybe our best chance might be to… I don’t know.
They should trade a bunch of picks for Giannis and go 83-1”
not sure i understand how the league could force okc to play two extra regular season games just because they acquire gianni’s
I like it. Get Atlanta involved and ask them to swap KP with Turner.
You really are unbearable sometimes.
So bring KP back to the Garden?
Interesting. But I think I’d rather have Turner. More reliable, less injury prone.
turner over kp at this point is kind of a no brainer
OKC sends 3 picks to the Bucks, IHart and Caruso to the Knicks and we send KAT to the Bucks while Giannis goes to OKC.
Really? I always thought that ambivalence precluded certainty, so z can’t technically be 100% ambivalent about anything, but you’d know better so I guess I’m wrong.
true dat
“Really? I always thought that ambivalence precluded certainty, so z can’t technically be 100% ambivalent about anything…”
Okay, 99+%? I’ll go as far as 95%.
Despite their pick trove, it’s kind of hard for OKC to get the salaries together without touching on their big 3.
You could do IHart, Isaiah Joe and Aaron Wiggins + picks for Giannis, but when you are 20-1, do you want to trade three important pieces like that?
okc is 21-1
You know I luv u guys but y’all are BUGGIN if you don’t want Giannis.
This is the way I’m leaning too. To put it overly-simple: I think we can win a title with KAT… but I know we can win a title with Giannis.
Hate to give up Bridges but yeah this is almost a no-brainer for me.
Stop it.
The Bucks could do a lot better, but if their only potential trade partner is the Knicks, I think this keeps them in the playoff hunt for a while. They did beat the Pistons last night w/ Giannis out for all but 3 minutes.
Hartenstein + Caruso or Dort + Wiggins or Joe or Jaylin
Also works with a bunch of 4 player combos
It really wouldn’t be too hard.
So clarify something for me – the reason Giannis has leverage is because he might not re-sign with a team other than the Knicks? In other words, a Kawhi to the Raptors scenario?
basically no one wants gianni’s as a rental
Giannis is not going to OKC to be Shea’s robin. We saw what that did to Duran’s legacy.
I was refering to Turner & KP swap because we need one unprotected pick from Atlanta to go to Milawakee.
Giannis with JB, OG, Hart, Deuce and Mitch wins the east easily this May. We just need KP to protect rim and spread the floor for two weeks in June against OKC. Good luck stopping Giannis with Jaylin Williams or Chet.
He has two postseasons left under contract, so not exactly a Kawhi situation.
The velocity of which Milwakee franchise deteriorated the minute they hired Doc Rivers needs to be studied.
Who knew…except everyone that saw it coming.
Oh yeah my bad I thought he had 1 year left
Giannis is the best player in Milwakee franchise history. His Jersey will be in the rafters. Brought that city the only champonship. He’s our Walt Clyde and Willis Reed combined. That’s his leverage.
They owe it to him to treat him with love and care even during a divorce.
Huh?
Winning two NBA titles and two Final’s MVPs somehow hurt Durant’s legacy? What was his “legacy” before he got to GS. Best shooting wing ever who couldn’t win with Westbrook, Harden and Ibaka? How much has he polished his “legacy” since?
LEAVING GS in a self centered huff ruined his legacy, not joining them.
They owe him exactly nothing. They paid him handsomely for his services. The fix they now find themselves is a function of them making short term moves to placate him.
We may wish they trade him only to the Knicks, but it would be awful business to turn down a better deal for assets we don’t have or cannot accumulate.
Guys don’t generally become billionaires by being sentimental and stupid.
Ever heard of some guy named Jabbar?
I see both sides of this.
On the one hand, it is a business and if the Bucks are losing Giannis, it is in their interest to get the most out of a trade as they can to kick start a proper rebuild.
But on the other…he is their best player ever and got them a championship. If you’re thinking long term after Giannis retires, etc…and you want him to be involved with the franchise, etc…you would want to do right by him. There may not be an exact monetary value to that but vibes do matter to some degree. Do you want Giannis coming back on legends night or making appearances for the franchise after he retires?
no mas to the idea of roberto duran being an nba player shea butter is pretty good tho
What do you call Joe Tsai?
I understand your point about looking out for #1 but it’s very short sighted. Reality in sports business works is a little different. Good luck signing a decent role player moving forward. Those new owners are not in NYC where you can fill the garden with tourist for two decades. Remember Sell the Knicks movement a few years after Dolan did Patrick dirty and shipped him to Seattle.
It’s all a TBD and we’re just speculating…but we’ll know the answer soon enough.
dont we have to know the true extent of gianni’s’ injury before we even speculate for days about acquiring him
I’m sure Giannis coming back for an oldtimer’s night is worth a half dozen or so first round draft choices 🙂
Think he’d look good next to Wemby? They have expendable salaries and TWENTY THREE DRAFT PICKS to sweeten the pot, etc, etc… far more than the Knicks can offer.
I don’t think Duran Duran ever played at Shea…
… also, Giannis turns 31 in a couple of days and already won a ring without SGA.
It’s a calf strain. We’ll never really know the severity.
It takes guts to redesign a team with significant injuries and a new coach that’s on a 55 win pace…really, I get the reservations and concerns but think its very entertaining how they manifest into spelling comments. Thank you for those. Cheers to a new Giannis era.
OG questionable for tomorrow!!
yes ds spelling comments were indeed interesting if not entertaining
by the way via ai:
No, Duran Duran did not play at Shea Stadium, though they were involved in the planning of the Live Aid concert, which was originally planned for Shea Stadium in New York before the venue changed. The band performed at the Live Aid concert, which took place at JFK Stadium in Philadelphia.
Milwaukee will be happy if he’s back. I kid! I kid!
dont get it
I saw Roberto ” Hands of Stone” Duran beat Sugar ray Leonard on closed circuit at Shea Stadium, does that count?
A 100 Billionaire? He should have asked chairman Xi if a worldwide pandemic was going to be released and Kyrie wouldn’t take the shot and ruined the season and the vibe. He should have forseen that, eh?
Yeah…. Milwaukee has always been a “go to” destination for UFAs.
https://kalshi.com/markets/kxnextteamgiannis/giannis-next-team/kxnextteamgiannis-26gant
https://polymarket.com/event/where-will-giannis-be-traded
We don’t need to know. The results of this and subsequent scans will be read by the medical departments of the team where he is going.
If the Bucks had even a modicum of sense they would just try firing Doc first. That team would be much better under a smart young coach.
So since both OG and Paolo have been upgraded, both teams will likely be pretty much at full strength for the upcoming game. I don’t want to call it a “must win” (we got our asses royally kicked by the Celts all season before beating them in the playoffs) but it would definitely be nice to get this one and quite deflating to lose again.
It will also be fairly likely that we’ll play Toronto in the IST quarterfinals with both teams at full strength.
landry shamet and franz’ brother moe would like a word with you
I guess the “pretty much” part went right over your head.
EVERYthing goes over Doogie’s head. If he’s more than three feet tall I’d be gobsmacked.
not sure how youd ever know how tall he is
Never met a nitpicker, and I’ve met quite a few, who was even close to average height.
Didn’t Doogie get banned? Is it as simple as creating a different username and he can be the usual asshole that he is again? Can’t someone extend the ban to his new username?
Anyone seen Hamnet?
So now that we just passed the quarter pole, here’s some half-baked B-R team page-based musings:
The Good:
-We have gone 6-3 without OG
-Mikal is 10th in BPM and 6th in VORP…looking very much worth a bunch of picks thus far (at least if you ignore the Giannis news.)
-Hart is 38.5% from 3 and playing well on both ends, the finger doesn’t seem to be much of a factor.
-Deuce is lighting it up from 3. We are 14-4 in games he has played.
-Did I mention how well Mikal is playing?
-We’re doing a lot of the good things we did under Thibs. The only two things that are substantially different are a) taking more 3’s and b) playing starters less and reserves more.
The Bad:
-KAT and Brunson are 33.6% and 35% from 3 and are below Mikal and Hart in BPM.
-After a promising stretch, Clarkson is looking very much like his doubters thought he would. I’m penciling in an L for now.
-Yabu is posting a ghastly -4.6 BPM, and shooting 26% from 3, his supposed strength. The only thing he is stretching is the waistband on his shorts. Shamwow’s shoulder is as loose as Guershon’s waistband is tight.
-Brunson is posting a career-low DBPM.
-Our defense seems worse than DRtg seems to suggest. In particular, we are allowing teams to take and make lots of 3’s.
The Ugly:
-Despite all the talk about playing faster, we are 26th in pace.
-Despite taking and making more 3’s per game, our eFG% is exactly the same it was last year.
-Last year we were 5th on ORtg and 14th in DRtg. This year we’re 3rd and 14th.
-None of the kids seem to have developed very much, although Kolek is recently showing some positive signs and Huk looked good last night.
-Mitch’s FT form looks as terrible as ever. Those summer workout clips must be AI-generated.
Would not surprise me if Clarkson’s TS% is back up to .600 by next week, he’s due for a hot streak… also would not surprise me if it’s below .500 by next week.
Even though the rank is the same, our offensive rating is up 3.6pts.
Our defense being almost exactly the same despite OG missing more games than he did all last year likely means we’ve improved.
Our SRS is up almost 3pts and is 4th in the league instead of 9th.
We’ve played better than we did last year on average, but we also faded really hard in the 2nd half. Hopefully we can improve instead.
I’m with EB- it seems clear the ways we’re better than last year, despite the weak defense. Plus it means something that players are playing less minutes – presumably that will have a salutary effect in the second half of the season. Plus the flexibility – zone! – and the sense that, while Brown doesn’t really know exactly how to employ everyone, he’s willing to experiment for better results later over a few more wins now.
Glass mostly full!
Heard it’s great, but no, not yet. Bugonia was a disappointment, the new Knives Out was fun, though.
Yeah, with EB on this. The ceiling definitely seems higher and the floor mostly the same.
Rama – it was definitely better than eternals, curious to hear your thoughts after you seen it. I really loved the Northman. I have been unable to find my joy in the Knives Out movies.
EB you make good points, but I don’t really pay much mind to SRS this early in the season and I think the uptick ORtg is more noise than anything else. For the most part our schedule has been pretty soft. Even the good teams we have played have been missing key players (we have as well, but that just muddles things even more.) We beat the Cavs and Celts in our first 2 games, which were essentially throwaway games. Since then we are 1-5 vs. the Magic, Heat, and Celtics and needed heroics from Landry Shamet to win a couple of other games. We are 3-6 on the road and have had a very soft home schedule.
The good news is that KAT and Brunson are going to improve their shooting numbers, Mitch may improve after missing most of preseason and being on a minutes restriction, so hopefully we have a healthy stretch and will get something better going.
“The ceiling definitely seems higher and the floor mostly the same.”
Not disputing this…you could interpret what I’m saying as we are playing roughly the same as last year, but this year we are closer to our floor whereas last year we were closer to our ceiling. At least, that’s what I hope!
Put differently, we’re doing better stuff, but not doing it all that much better than last year, at least so far.
agreed… And we are trading OG right back into the starting lineup soon enough.
Last year at this time we were 13-8, and that was in the context of incorporating KAT and Bridges, and being without Mitch, Precious, and mostly Precious. We also played 12 (6-6 record) road games vs. 9 (3-6 record) and we have padded our 11-1 home record mostly against shitty or undermanned teams.
The aesthetics are improved, and the long-term strategy is more sound, but at the quarter pole we were pretty much who we are now, if not better.
In any case, meaning beyond these quibbles, the improvements aesthetics and strategy won’t mean a thing if we aren’t still playing basketball in June. Regardless of anything else, that’t the bar that Thibs and this same group set, and we have an easier path this year. Despite all the regular season minutes drama, we were healthy and peaked in the playoffs. Brown has a pretty tough act to follow.
Maybe his back is still messed up but Lebron looks completely cooked
Got me whistling morricone
I loved the Northman too. But I enjoyed the first and now the last Knives Out movie. When I was a teen I read all the Agatha Christie novels, Conan Doyle, Wilkie Collins, Sayers, Chesterton, etc. Still have a soft spot for puzzles. The newest Knives Out is almost more enjoyable as a social satire – it’s quite funny, which wasn’t the case in the first, and the second didn’t really succeed on any level. But here I highly enjoyed the wit.
The Luka trade would’ve been much better if the Mavs got back Reaves
can we get precious back hes a few years younger than yabu and demonstrably better so far
LeBrons streak of scoring at least 10 points comes to an end
yep and he had 8 they were really trying to make sure that he got it but failed its going to be his signal to retire if he was still looking for one and dak picked a really bad night to be subpar cowboys down by 17 near beginning of second half
LeBron will retire after next season , Reaves is ready to be Luka’s sideshow
I have Dak as my fantasy QB so this sucks
just cant picture lebron slogging through this season and then doing it again next season unless he is basically just a coach who plays 20 games or so a la udonis haslem
daks carried you all year it would be like crying about jsns one bad game last week trade dak for brandon aubrey
Obviously he might have hit the age wall, but I’m gonna give LeBron every benefit of the doubt before writing him off. He’s coming off of a long period of back rehab, so might need a couple of months to get his legs back under him.
He had 11 assists at least
yes 11 assists is still pretty good