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perp on the loose watch out particularly in the western states
Lol thanks Doogie.
np bob reported it last nite
oh yeah baby, up and at them at the break of day…the early bird gets their teeth cleaned…
Suspect is a 40 year old male who plays 147 minutes of tennis a day.
lol donnie
in truth appears to be college age and trump giving him the presidential medal of freedom have to think hes probably the youngest to ever get that
untrue. I commented on gkhenman’s report and pepper’s subsequent comment
Simone Biles received one several years ago and is only 28 now
good info ebw somehow i guess it wasnt trump who gave it to her
IMO, that’s a very small but growing possibility.
I vented a few days ago how this country is now full of sociopaths and borderline sociopaths, people with mental health problems etc…
Part of the violence problem is they are being riled up by irresponsible people in politics and media with spins, lies, hyperbole, accusations, intolerance etc…. Less stable and naive people believe all this shit and some will act out. This is what I’ve been concerned about. You could see it from a mile away. It’s escalating into more violence against a broader range of targets. God forbid law abiding people decide they’ve had enough and respond. There are a lot of legal guns out there in the hands of one side in part to prepare for the low probability event of the worst case.
It’s beyond frustrating to hear Trump cry foul over liberal extremists and their dangerous rhetoric and then only use examples of conservative politicians and figures being attacked while ignoring the attempted kidnapping of Michigan’s governor, the attack on nancy pelosi’s husband, january 6th, etc. He is the one who ramped up this rhetoric. He literally says democrats are unamerican and traitors to their country.
I do not agree with calling everyone on the right a nazi, but this shit cuts both ways. And a lot of times the actual shooter in these instances has politics that are quite muddled. Trump’s would be assassin, for example, was a Trump supporter before he turned against him.
What happened yesterday was awful. Look, I disagree with pretty much everything Charlie Kirk believed but I’ve watched some of his Youtube clips and while he debated people aggressively, he was generally pretty respectful with the students he debated with.
I don’t know. It’s bad times, for sure.
I’ll add one thing them I’m done for the day. I have more productive things to do.
A lot of people strongly disagreed with Charlie Kirk’s politics. I agreed on some things and disagreed on others. But some people are so filled with hate they are happy he was killed. There are a lot of people like that, some that have already been fired from their jobs for celebratory tweets. Good riddance. Others are smart enough to keep it inside. They are the less stable people I am talking about and many are in important positions.
Charlie Kirk attempted to supplant a democratically elected US President by spreading lies about the integrity of our democratic institutions. He was the one calling for a civil war.
I’m sad that you fuckwads have driven me off this site. Drink bleach.
Where was all this handwrining 3 months ago when a rightwing assassin murdered a leftwing Minnesota state senator and her husband and attempted to murder another one and his wife? Seems like a lot of people, including multiple members of congress and the current president, only care about political violence going in one direction.
Not sure how many Jets fans are here, but I’m pretty optimistic on Aaron Glenn as a coach. I liked Rex because he had hutzpah (along with a strong D), and I liked Herm’s teamwork ideology, but Glenn reminds me a bit of Parcels with his accountability talk. Hope I’m not wrong on this one.
!Remindme 5 years
I vaguely remember Aaron Glenn being a good cornerback, but maybe that just means I’m old.
Wasn’t Charlie Kirk one of these very “irresponsible” people? When Paul Pelosi was attacked in his home by a hammer wielding lunatic, Charlie Kirk publicly called for a “patriot” to bail out the attacker. This kind of edgelord humor sure seems a lot less funny and titillating now, no? Gee, how did we ever get so nihilistic?
I didn’t even know who Charlie Kirk was until yesterday.
Folks underestimate how hard they have to work just to know about all the dumb shit that makes them angry.
I unwisely watched the video and had the complex state of feeling disturbed about watching a person brutally shot (to the point of having nightmares) and believing that same person rapidly spread dangerous hate and ignorance.
Charlie Kirk also once said this:
“Gun deaths are unfortunately worth it to keep the Second Amendment “
As Alanis Morrisette would say, isn’t it ironic?
He also said: “I can’t stand the word empathy, actually. I think empathy is a made-up, new age term that — it does a lot of damage.”
Yankees bullpen has been struggling this week…
I dunno, Slater looked pretty good yesterday.
Yup and he was shot while answering a question about gun violence and mass shootings.
Pablo Torre has a part 2 and I think it’s about as damning as it gets. Ballmer is theoretically reduced to saying he was wholly unaware of the activities of his co-owner and college roommate.
Which, hey, theoretically possible! But now that the Clippers, through a minority owner, are now directly implicated, Ballmer’s ignorance, even if it’s genuine, may well be wholly irrelevant.
definitely noble, at best ignorance is not an excuse for the owner…
not sure what the penalty may be, it’s been a while since one of these situations came to light…
the handwrining 3 months ago in minnesota might not have been as loud because no one actually died also because democrats are less loud about such things which may be one of the problems im not saying that that is the correct way for people to think i am only offering my best guess
Am I the only person who doesn’t care if the Clippers gave Kawhi extra money? Or if any other team does stuff like this?
I would understand if Kawhi or any player signed for the minimum and made up the money in other ways to circumvent the cap but Kawhi got a max contract so its not like the Clippers did anything illegal to sign a player without having the necessary cap space. I dunno maybe its just me but I just don’t find any of this Kawhi controversy all that interesting.
No one actually died in Minnesota other than the two people and the dog who were shot to death.
Ballmer is a POS. Sleezeball priviliged moron who was lucky to be at the right place at the right time. He accomplished nothing of substance. He’s best strength was negotiating a pay package and that he never sold his free shares.
Melissa Hortman, the leader of the state House Democratic caucus, was killed alongside her husband, Mark.
had some less than generous thoughts when I heard the news, sadly I’ve taken to inform myself on some of the players in this ongoing (since the beginning it seems) and escalating culture conflict we are in…
actually was watching a clip of Charlie talking with laura ingraham (her name being synonymous with hate) about a woman’s role/responsibility/obligations/soon to be “lawful” duty in the famil unit…
beyond serious Handmaid’s Tale nightmare scenario stuff…
maybe it was a woman…
I think Silver is going to find a way to make this disappear with a modicum of fuss but nothing too serious
Not only were Melissa Hortman and her husband both killed in Minnesota, but her assassination broke a 67-67 party breakdown tie in Minnesota’s state house, making her killing as clear-cut a “political assassination” as could possibly exist, and a tragically successful one.
Think Toronto could have paid him more + 5th year but it really just feels like Ballmer covered the CA & LA taxes to make him chose the Clippers vs Lakers.
Re: Kirk
It’s time to burry the term “tolerant left”. I was always honored and proud to stand on this ideology…but it’s no loger a thing and I have to someohow deal with it and move on. Time for us to look in the mirror and see that we have become ignorant just like them and it’s a shame.
my two cents…
The problem is just how much of the NBA’s business model relies on the idea of there being some kind of cap. One of the reasons NBA teams are such a good business proposition is the asset is virtually guaranteed to appreciate, and there are tightly-enforced limits on just how much money you’re even allowed to spend on players. So the asset skyrockets without an owner having to make continuing investments that would have a chance to cancel out those returns.
Wealthier owners can push their advantage on expenses that aren’t capped like coaches, facilities, etc. but at the end of the day the player salary cap is what guarantees a tremendous ROI on the team itself, even if profits can be shaky in any given year depending on the market.
If we accept the idea that the player salary cap is a paper tiger and to be a competitive owner you thus have to funnel additional money to players in creative other ways, this whole model crumbles.
It should go without saying that I’m not endorsing this model. It’s hard to ethically justify a salary cap and since some of the most popular professional sports leagues on the planet (EPL, et al.) don’t have one it’s equally hard to paint one as necessary for the league to thrive.
But this is why circumvention is taken so seriously from the perspective of the league itself.
I believe I read that Kawhi was also asking the Raptors for a similar sponsorship deal plus other side stuff.
Like I said to me it would be way more suspicious if a star player signed a well below market value contract with a team that was offering a contract much less than that player could’ve signed with other teams that had more cap space. The fact is if as a league you want to have salary caps and in the NBA’s case a cap on how much individual players can make then you’re basically inviting side deals to happen and shouldn’t really be surprised by them.
Shamet’s back! Unexciting, but very solid choice for a deep bench role.
Now that Landry’s back I think it might be wise to cut Tyler and bring back Delon.
Hell it probably makes sense to carry Precious Achiuwa instead Ariel Hukporti, too.
Dadiet & Diawarra are the only two with a hint of real upside. Kolek & Hukporti are flotsam and jetsam.
I don’t think it makes sense to carry 4 guys who can’t play a single emergency playoff minute. If our deep bench is Landry, Wright, and Precious, we’ll have options in a pinch.
I thought Landry was really solid last year. He plays good defense but is too short to challenge a lot of wings, looked really good against TJ McUnstoppable, who was one of the only players his size that I remember him guarding.
He’s a career 38.5% shooter, so I’m guessing he’ll regress a bit from his 39.7% last year… but it’s not much of an outlier and wouldn’t be strange if he repeated it.
Easy plug and play piece. He has no holes for a team to exploit like Simmons does.
Personally, still think we could use another PG (depending on how Kolek looks behind closed gym doors) and more size from our bench wings (depending on how Dadiet looks).
I have a higher opinion of Hukporti than you do, Hubert. He looked perfectly competent right before he got hurt. And there could be some upside there, whereas Precious is a maddeningly flawed player.
I found most of the Kirk comments (save a few) somewhere from uninteresting to close to beneath contempt. However this one from Hubert surprised me:
As I consider Hubert a knowledgeable fellow, this surprised me as Kirk was a very major player in national politics and was probably the singular person who had the most influence (maybe with the exception of Elon) getting Trump re-elected.
He started two companies Turning Point and Turning Point Action that did many things, but he raised over $100,000,000 for conservative candidates. His companies have a full time staff of > 1,000 and during the last election cycle he hired 60,000 temps in WI, AZ, PA and NV to knock on doors targeting low propensity voters to vote conservative. That’s a lot of political juice for the squeeze.
He spent the majority of his time traveling to college campuses. In the 2024 cycle he visited 25 colleges mostly with the same format, giving a short speech on the glories of conservatism and then, most importantly engaging the crowd in philosophical debate. He used to urge those who disagreed to go to the front of the line.
As a result he was able to open many chapters on many campuses where conservative voices were seldom heard. Coincidentally… Trump’s share of the 18-29 year old vote surged from 37% in 2016 to 47% 2024.
I worry that Hukporti is a player who only works (if he works at all) under a coach like Thibs, a rim running C who plays drop defense.
I liked a bit of what I saw from Huk, but didn’t love him.
Not sure how I feel about Precious right now. I hated him this season, but he looked really solid last year.
It would also be an issue trying to get rid of Huk, since we can’t just cut him to free cap space. It’s definitely reasonable to want vets for a championship run over 2nd rd picks who have yet to prove themselves.
Precious is a hopeless help defender. Like truly is just never gonna get it. I’ve seen enough of the Precious Achiuwa experiment. I have not seen enough of Hukporti to form much of an opinion of him, but he’s a big guy and seems reasonably athletic, and was an impact defender in the ABL. Still only 23. I’d rather have the guy who might not stink over the guy who definitely stinks.
There are two factions on the left side of the aisle (1) the mainstream Democrats and (2) the Left. The “tolerant left” still exists as the mainstream Dems.
People conflate these two sides and attribute the most extreme leftist positions, frequently even more extreme than the Left, in order to make the very centrist core of the Democrats appear like extremists.
The Left mostly pillories fascists, racists, and homophobes. Basically, they aren’t tolerant of people who hate them and don’t think they should exist or who are looking to deprive them of their rights.
Anything more extreme are the actions and ideas of random individuals who should not be held as representatives of either the Dems or the Left.
Apparently Shamet’s deal is not guaranteed and Knicks will also be inviting Garrison Mathews to training camp with a chance to win a roster spot presumably if he outplays Shamet during training camp and preseason.
I have yet to find a normal centrist who utterly denounces “the left”. Are you that guy?
Real talk. Look at mayors race and tell me where the the line is. At best its a 50/50 split…same as MAGA took over centrist republicans….the populist idiot and incompetent Left took over our party.
mathews would be a totally cromulent pickup hes basically shamet with one extra inch of height and a sturdier frame
Facts. Shamet is grittier and more experienced. Neither can defend and no one cares about the extra inch.
I’m not sure what you’re referring to in this post. Holding a centrist position doesn’t require you to utterly denounce the Left.
Pretty sure all the Dems are denouncing political violence, if that’s what you’re looking for.
And to be clear, we do not know the motivation of the shooter.
I too had never heard of Kirk before yesterday, but I’m really good at tuning out garbage that I’m not interested in. I even tune-out most of the Knicks related talk here, I’m that good.
EB you were part of the intolerant mob that pilloried Bob one week ago.
Fuck tolerating the disgusting nazi propaganda that this asshole was peddling for his own aggrandizement at the peril of so many innocent victims. May he burn in hell.
This is not the same as celebrating his death or condoning violence. Just checking those who are beautifying this scumbag.
I understand you may hate the man because he ran the GOTV operation for Trump and outperformed the American Federation of Teachers and the Teamster’s Union but disgusting Nazi propaganda and burn in hell? Really?
Well I have no doubt where whoever bobneptune was would have stood in mid 1930s Germany, so as I have always felt, you and all the other closet nazis can go fuck yourselves.
(1) This is not what is meant by the “tolerant left”
(2) My objection was towards Bob’s lack of scientific rigor and his weak arguments supporting his opinion.
It was not a personal attack beyond the extent Bob had put himself at issue by claiming to be an authority based on experiences that do not confer any meaningful authority on the matter.
(3) You can disagree with my taxonomy of the parties left of center, but people do conflate their opinions.
There are multiple positions for which the Right attacks the Dems for stuff they do and the Left complains that the Dems don’t do that stuff.
Love the hilarious juxtaposition of EB’s belief that the Left is only intolerant “of people who hate them and don’t think they should exist or who are looking to deprive them of their rights” followed by Z-Man proudly displaying the exact kind of radical intolerance Director was talking about.
Clearly, you have no doubt about things you know zero about. I’m not going to engage in personal invective with someone I only know from their excited utterances on a BB board. I’ll just leave you with the words of Bernie Sanders… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlIvH6ozvv4
Also… my liberal Jewish finance professor wife would be very surprised to find out I was a Nazi. I better keep you away from her before you blow my cover with your flawless perspicacity.
Aside from what’s already been posted, I’d like to familiarize some of you with just a few of Kirk’s supposed ideas, and you can judge for yourself:
– He called the Civil Rights Act of 1964 a “huge mistake,” describing it as an “anti-white weapon.”
– In March 2024, Kirk endorsed the Great Replacement Theory, a white nationalist conspiracy theory.
– He has called transgender identity a “mental illness” and the transgender movement a “middle finger to God”. He also advocated for “Nuremberg-style trials” for doctors who provide gender-affirming care.
– In a 2024 debate, when asked if he would support an abortion for his 10-year-old daughter who was raped, he said the baby should be delivered, calling the idea of abortion “insane”.
– He also stated that it’s “happening all the time in urban America, prowling Blacks go around for fun to go target white people, that’s a fact. It’s happening more and more.”
And finally:
– “There is no separation of church and state. It’s a fabrication, it’s a fiction, it’s not in the constitution. It’s made up by secular humanists.”
I live in a city where roving bands of masked, unidentified goons routinely pick up people of color on the street and throw them into unmarked cars, disappearing people forever. Also in my city the United States military has been sent here to “fight crime.”
I think the concept of the Tolerant Left™ is pretty outdated given these circumstances.
If it was unclear, Nazis fall under the category of racists.
Also homophobes.
Also fascists.
That’s the hat trick right there.
Definitely a bipolar kind of day….
I thought Shamet played better defense than I expected so n the playoffs. Better than he has been in the regular season. I have some mild optimism about him having a decent season.
Bob, if your whatever wife is too ignorant to know who you really are and where your current beliefs would align on the spectrum of beliefs in pre-holocaust Germany, good for you!
That said, I would never wish gun violence against anyone, including Kirk. But there’s no denying he publicly and loudly denigrated many different groups of people. Over and over. Much more publicly and loudly than your average racist/sexist politician in congress. And that is like putting a target on yourself.
Oh yeah, and good for Shamet. I hope he gets the last vet min slot.
I think people need to probably stop using the word Nazi to be shorthand for white-supremacist, homophobic, sexist, pro-fascist assholes. Not because the assholes deserve better but because I am tired of people using the fact that these people are not technically Nazi’s as some sort of defense.
Technically Charlie Kirk was not a Nazi but he was undisputedly white-supremist, anti-LGBTQ, anti-women’s rights, and pro-whatever Trump is doing to strip away checks and balances, civil rights, and legal protections. I doubt he would have even argued any of this.
So while Nazi isn’t technically accurate it doesn’t seem that far off base. But still, why give people the ammo to argue “but he’s not a Nazi”. Let’s just call them white-supremacist assholes. Then people will have much less to argue against.
With that said he murder was terrible, not just because no one deserves to be shot down in cold blood, but also because it potentially gives the right more power to overreach and stoke hatred.
There were many threats against HBCU’s today in the wake of Kirk’s murder.
Hmm. I wonder why that is.
I think Shamet is fine. A bit underwhelming but perfectly cromulent. As for Kolek and Hukporti, cutting them to make room for utterly replaceable pieces like Shamet, Matthews, or Wright would be a mistake.
Most likely they are at least close to as good as any of them if given the chance.
I’m pretty sure Bob’s not a nazi.
How ’bout just stop using it as shorthand for “everyone I disagree with”?
Despite all the 2025 Yankees frustrating craziness Judge remains pretty good.
let’s go…and then patiently wait for the season to begin…
ah, the secret to the kids’ smarts comes out 😛
for so long i used to wonder why the kids weren’t more like me, even despite the no direct genetic link stuff…turns out didn’t really recognize the ways they are like me, and was overly focused on our differences…
stay in their ear now a lot, even though i’d rather say nothing most often, it’s true though that you train people how to treat you…or as much as possible i guess…
Judge was having a pretty pedestrian month but his standards after his return but seems to be finding his groove. I need him to be spectacular for my fantasy team.
anyone know why jazz doesn’t lead off?
Missing 2 weeks with a “flexor strain” in his right elbow will do that. Clearly he rushed back prematurely as he couldn’tand still can’t throw.
Not saying he is. I’m saying that disliking Nazis is well within what I said the Left does.
And to catch me being wrong would require showing that someone the Left hates is not a racist, homophobe, or fascist. Nazis are just a subcategory and, as detailed above, a shorthand.
I don’t know, but I could speculate. Even though he has missed about 30 games due to injury he has struck out 132 times and walked only 55 times in 401 ABs, not exactly the profile of a leadoff hitter.
He also has plenty of pop (28 hrs) to bat in the middle of the line up.
ah, thanks Bob, was just looking at his on base percentage, plus power…and he can run…less than admirable plate discipline usually doesn’t work at the top though…need to check how many pitches he sees per ab…
not sure how you feel, but i’ve been real happy with bellinger and goldschimdt this season, both have produced and stayed mostly healthy…i’m not really watching the games though…
disappointed with our players for the future, but you know what – the future is now…hopefully the other pieces can fill in for some of our struggling younger players…haven’t really noticed if rice has done any catching since goldschmidt returned…
Giving you the presumption of grace I would suggest you folks “expand” the common definitions:
For example, NAZI. The common brand of Nazism is Germany in the 30s and 40s. A national socialist movement that demanded fealty from the individual for the greater good of the Fatherland. Sprinkle in some eugenics and the belief that all other groups were factually inferior to Aryans and you pretty much have it.
MAGA types do believe in the primacy of the individual, not fealty to the all important state, but fealty to the US Constitution. Are there some whack job loons in the movement, sure… just like there are some unabashed anarchists and Communists on the left.
Racism/white supremacy: Racism is not treating people by the content of their character, but by the color of their skin. White supremacy is the belief of the superiority of the Caucasian persuasion and the interest in the extermination of others.
The idea that the MAGA position is to stop the country from being invaded in opposition to US Code on the books is considered by some of you folks to be a prima facie case of RaCiSiM. We disagree.
Yes, Bob, Charlie Kirk was genuinely that disgusting. It’s not hard to find. He also supported overturning democracy with his backing of Stop the Steal. None of us hate him just because he was a GOTV organizer for Trump. Your political analysis is shallow and kneejerk. And I defended your COVID arguments just a few days ago. Pathetic.
MAGA believes in fealty to the constitution?? It’s a personality cult in thrall to a man who says that article II means he can do whatever he wants, who tried to overturn an election, who believes he can run for a third term against the clear text of the constitution, who has ripped power of the purse from a feckless Republican Congress, who has attacked freedom of speech in innumerable ways, who has threatened to use the military against blue cities, etc. I know you’re not dumb but you’re either hopelessly partisan or unbelievably naive.
One final thing. The whack jobs on the left can be found on Bluesky. The whack jobs on the right can be found in the White House. There’s a big difference. And before anyone throws Mamdani at me, read his response to the Kirk shooting and then read what Kirk, Musk, and Trump said when Pelosi’s husband was attacked.
If it’s the event I remember, and participated in, it was because Bob was pillorying Fauci as anti-scientific and corrupt while being gentle with RFK. Also he spouted a lot of pseudo-science nonsense as well.
The Yankees actually have 3 big pitching prospects at AA and the enigmatic Spencer Jones at AAA.
Jones is a CF who can run and steal bases at 6’7″/240 and has hit 33 Hrs with a .270 BA/.925 OPS and (yikes) 163Ks
Carlos LaGrange, Elmer Rodriguez Cruz and Ben Hess are putting up pinball numbers at AA.
LaGrange in his last start threw 7 pitches at 101 or better with one at 103.1. He threw 6 one hit innings tonight.
the stuff that dude was selling was/is getting bought up by a lot of folks…his ideology will continue to grow most likely…if you care, don’t sleep on it…
true he was an innovator in his field, but he’s just one of the voices preaching, the kind of stuff he was preaching…
domestic terrorism has been around for a while, they just used to wear hoods is all, or those swastika armbands…american grown…common theme: push an objective to shit on some societal minority group (women aren’t even in the minority, talk about getting hosed), spread fear and seize financial and political control to do so…
he passed doing what he believed in, and probably loved…lots of folks get “caught up” in circumstances or someone else’s drama and don’t get that opportunity…
He cannot be pilloried enough for his lying and obfuscation. I never denigrated his competence as a scientist. I questioned his truthfulness and his ethics.
For a country that willingly spend a trillion dollars on defense to ask why it is necessary to give a Hep b vaccine to newborns and ask to spend a few million to do a third party study to determine the risk/reward ratio of giving 70-90 vaccines in rapid fire order makes me be a believer in pseudo science… so be it.
MAGA believes in fealty to the Constitution? Interesting. Because MAGA believes Charlie Kirk had the first amendment right to speak callously against the victims of gun violence and their families, but non-MAGA don’t have first amendment protection to speak callously against Charlie Kirk dying from gun violence.
By supporting the tactics of ICE, MAGA doesn’t believe in the fourth amendment which guarantees people (not citizens) the right to freedom unless there is a warrant to arrest them or probable cause. (And are fine with the American citizens who end up illegally detained by ICE, Benjamin Franklin be damned.) Or birthright citizenship guaranteed by the 14th amendment. Of course, MAGA is totally against Trump 2028, given the 22nd amendment too!
Because MAGA types believe in fealty to the US Constitution
Bob:
Do you agree or disagree with Charlie Kirk’s stance that the US should ban gay marriage?
Do you believe, as Charlie Kirk did, that the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was a mistake?
Do you believe in the Great Replacement Theory (like Charlie Kirk) that the Jewish citizens of the United States are attempting to bring in minorities in order to replace white people?
Do you believe that transgender people suffer from a mental illness?
Do you believe in the Separation of Church and State, which Kirk did not?
As you’ve stated above, Charlie Kirk is a major influence in the Republican party and the second most influential person in getting Donald Trump elected president for the current term.
Just a reminder:
“Mixed feelings” on the guy who said he has a worm in his brain, ate a dog, and dumped a dead bear in Central Park. LOL
I’m pretty sure the insurrection by ANTIFA/BLM in 2020 caused 2 billion in property damage during those “mostly peaceful” riots as well as the 19 dead souls. Bluesky must be a hell of a joint.
The “whack jobs” in the White House were duly elected unlike the mostly peacefully rioters.
See, this is what’s funny because despite all the bravado and chonky ICE gestapos, Obama still deported more illegals than Trump, even though Trump’s using sketchy policies (including against people following legal avenues toward citizenship) to artificially inflate his numbers. It’s almost as if Trump actually sucks at everything except bloviating!
The Yankees’ farm system is a little thin but all of the pitchers Bob mentioned look like pretty good prospects, and all are close to MLB. LaGrange has electric stuff but walks a lot of guys, and the other two are more polished.
This is looking like a lost season for the Mets at the big league level, as they have been playing poorly for months now, but their farm system has had a spectacular year. Nolan McLean looks like an ace, Jonah Tong and Brandon Sproat are both strong prospects with big upside, and Jonathan Santucci is not far behind. Next year former #1 prospect Christian Scott returns from TJS.
On the position player side, they have Jett Williams and Carson Benge, both top 50 prospects, at AAA and helium prospects at AA in AJ Ewing and Jacob Reimer. The major league club has been a massive letdown after a great end to last year and beginning of this one, but they’re probably top 5 in MLB in terms of young, cost-controlled talent.
If you have mixed feelings or mixed emotions about something, you feel both happy and sad about it at the same time. I think RFKs thoughts on the food industry and nutrition overall are spot on.
His musings about vaccinations need to be supported by platinum science. That is what I recommended. LOL or whatever.
I wasn’t suggesting everyone who disagreed with Bob was part of the intolerant mob. You, I, and several others argued with him genuinely.
But there was also a cohort who just attacked Bob personally and disrespectfully because they can’t tolerate dissent.
Many of these killings were the Right shooting protestors or running over groups of protesters with their cars.
Some were the police shooting non-violent protestors.
One was a security guard shooting a right-wing counter protestor that slapped him.
A bunch of them claim self-defense.
At least one was a homeless guy with a history of mental illness but it doesn’t seem as though he had a political opinion.
Most folks here are ride or die Knicks supporters. OAKAAK believers too.
Why is it that in sports we can easily criticize our favorite team. I mean the entire organization from top to bottom and laugh about it but we can never do this with our politics?
It’s like living in the world where everyone of your friends is still a Frank Knilitkina apologist and no one ever moved on to say…”yeah, that wasn’t one of my smartest ideas” and laugh about it…
I’ll go first. – I voted for DeBlasio both times.
But I’ve already said that my good friend is a special master, one of eight, who has spent more than a decade pursuing evidence that ties vaccines to autism. He was a Republican through much of this. His conclusion was unequivocally that there is no evidence, and her laments the tragedy of wasting so much time and energy on it when the cause is clearly elsewhere.
In short, RFK is 100% wrong, and we are further from finding the cause because of people like him. But you need a platinum study because you can’t be bothered to look for real evidence. OK. And how about measles? That vaccine causes autism too?
It is difficult to find a “respectful” way to discuss fascism and what leads to it. Pre-Nazi Germany was one of the most civilized and educated societies of that era, and they didn’t fall into the abyss because hard-core holocaust mongerers just took over. They fell into the abyss because a charismatic populist peddled grievance and blame, and convinced a critical mass of Germans that he and he alone could Make Germany Great Again. There were tons of German conservatives and even “centrists” who felt that “Yeah, Hitler is a fucking asshole, but he’s better that the alternatives,” or that “Hitler is “strong” on an issue or issues that I am the most concerned about…” whether it be inflation, immigration, crime, armistice terms, whatever.
Sadly, and alarmingly, the current political situation in the US is quite reminiscent of what occurred back then, when the “conservative” National Socialist Party was given political power by the “good people” of Germany. As such, I am very concerned that the assasination of Charlie Kirk is being used by the extreme right wing to gin up “nationalistic” hatred against the “radical lunatic left” (whatever that means, well, we all know what Trump thinks it means…anyone who thinks that he shouldn’t have dictator-like authority) to gin up hatred of the left the same way that the assasination or Ernst Vom Rath was used to incite the conservative movement in Germany to retaliatory violence against Jews.
So I’m really not interested in having a “civil” conversation with those who are engaging in the same kind of shit that the non-Nazi conservatives engaged in when justifying why they looked past all of Hitler’s egregious trespasses and reveled in how he “owned the libs” of that time and place.
I could have made similar references to Italy and Mussolini and the “conservatives” and “right-leaning centrists” who went along with him because he “made the trains run on time!” Same fucking shit. So if the Hitler and Nazi references are too stark, go with Door #2. Trump is more Benito than Adolph in my book anyway so whatever.
At the end of the day, I believe that centrist liberals and centrist conservatives are no different today than they ever were, and they are the driving forces behind political upheaval. And the same folks who tag along and tolerate the seeds of fascism before they sprout today would have done the same thing if they were who they now are back them. We all represent archetypes based on our character, and our archetypes have existed in every place and time.
So Bob, Mike B, etc., just own your archetypes. The good folks here are not going to fall for your bullshit whuddaboutism. There’s no civil conversation to be had.
Then there really isn’t any point in a discussion, is there other than you got a free shot to vent your spleen and virtue signal.
If you want to discuss fascism, look into the nearest mirror. Which party tried to deny the American public the right to vote for the candidate of their choice by denying him ballot access? I’ll wait…. And this constant “He’s a racist… He’s a Fascist!” is the exact kind of stuff that ginned up a couple of unstable guys to try to kill Trump twice and actually did kill Charlie Kirk. But keep it up…. ya might get the job done.
well said z-man…
when i was a kid used to enjoy watching: the world at war…
for a long time used to wonder how in the world the folks in Germany could have gone along with that madness…
by the time I was in my 30’s I understood…people are darn near capable of anything, good or bad…
needless to say what’s happened this year just shows how shaky democracy can be…
you are right though – difficult to really have a rational conversation about this stuff…deep seeded fears and seemingly irrational beliefs to contend with…
more and more the lesson of the day seems to be how important it is to simply win and have more control over the set system…
it’s taken some years, but at least it seems like folks are beginning to realize the extent of the danger we are in…
geo, it always starts with the Bobs of the world pontificating about grievance. It ends with claims of “we just didn’t realize that he (always a male) was so bad!”
Bob is Exhibit A of pre-fascist mentality. Or pre-Civil War mentality. No question he would have been a “states rights” guy in those days. “IT”S NOT ABOUT SLAVERY!!! IT”S ABOUT STATES RIGHTS!!!”
“If you want to discuss fascism, look into the nearest mirror. Which party tried to deny the American public the right to vote for the candidate of their choice by denying him ballot access? I’ll wait….”
Whut???
“And this constant “He’s a racist… He’s a Fascist!” is the exact kind of stuff that ginned up a couple of unstable guys to try to kill Trump twice and actually did kill Charlie Kirk. But keep it up…. ya might get the job done.”
Yeah, except that the shooters in both cases were actually disgruntled and deranged CONSERVATIVES!!! You dumb fucking nazi-sympathizing lying shit. Just stop.
To be fair, the political leanings of Tyler Robinson are unclear at this point and to be honest are likely irrelevant. He’s clearly a product of the nihilistic armpit of the internet, a place where the layers of performative irony get so thick that nothing has any meaning anymore. All of the inscriptions on the bullets are inscrutable references to video games and meme culture. It’s all so self-referential that it’s impossible to peel away the layers of the irony onion.
He went as a Gopnik for Halloween one year. Anybody know what a Gopnik is? I didn’t. Gopniks were a subculture in Soviet-era Russia. They were young men who were known to be aggressive, homophobic, racist, and nationalist. There’s a popular Pepe the Frog meme in which he assumes the squatting posture of a Gopnik, and Robinson’s costume was based on that meme. What does that mean? Fuck if I know. I can’t really discern which side of the irony coin I’m looking at. Is that a Halloween costume a leftist would wear? Again, I really don’t know.
Some of the other references on the bullets were similarly ambiguous. “Ciao Bella” was one of the other ones. It’s known as an anti-fascist song, but it has been appropriated by some people in Nick Fuentes’ Groyper movement, used ironically by them. It’s on a Groyper War Spotify playlist that has been circulated a lot.
I’m 53 and I’m honestly a bit too old to understand all of this stuff. I’m fairly savvy about internet culture but I had to do a lot of researching to try to figure out what all of this shit is. This seems similar to the shooter last month in Minnesota, who was trans on the one hand but also had virulent Nazi beliefs on the other hand.
Troubled violent kids today who carry out violent attacks like this don’t fit neatly into the sort of red vs blue boxes that we seem to have the desire to put them in. There is something more insidious happening. I don’t know what Tyler Robinson’s ideology is and I don’t think it matters much. He’s a product of brain rot loner way-too-online culture. That much is abundantly clear.
Seriously kiss my ass with this shit. Yesterday all day fucking long the braintrust of conservative social media were doing a full Radio Rwanda, spewing out blistering eliminationist rhetoric all day long. Laura Loomer, Libs of Tik Tok, Joey Mannarino, Elon Musk, and many more all spoke in the most vile and debased ways about Democrats needing to be eliminated.
It was the most fascist shit I’ve ever seen.
JK – let’s just move on if we can, por favor….
Well, this was set up as the venting thread but okay.
You must have been some high school principal or whatever. You got too used to talking to 15 year olds. And Whut? isn’t much of an answer. Have a fine evening
Bob, I’ll redirect you to my above question on whether or not you agree with Charlie Kirk’s stance that “We made a huge mistake when we passed the Civil Rights Act in the 1960s.”
Do you agree or disagree with this very influential Republican’s stance?
Do you agree or disagree that saying the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was a mistake should be considered racist?
To be clear, here is a fragment of the Civil Rights Act:
Suspect’s high school classmate says Robinson was the only ‘leftist’ in a family of ‘very hard’ Republicans
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In a phone interview on Friday, someone who said they were friends with Robinson in high school, who wanted to remain anonymous, said that the suspect was “pretty left on everything” and was “the only member of his family that was really leftist”.
“The rest of his family was very hard Republican,” the friend said.
Around sophomore year, the friend said, Robinson became more extreme in his political views and would “always just be ranting and arguing about them”.
The friend said that they played video games together a lot in high school and noted that the bullet engraving with the arrows was a reference to Helldivers 2 – which we mentioned earlier. He said that the arrows specifically were in reference to “calling in a big bomb that exists” in the game “called the 500 kilogram”.
When the friend saw the news on Friday, he said that he was shocked. “I knew he [Robinson] had strong political views, but I never thought it would even go near that far.”
The friend said that he has not spoken to Robinson in years and began to drift apart toward the end of high school. Another high school classmate separately told the Guardian that the friend and Robinson were close in school and would play video games.
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That’s one anonymous report to a journalist. But since it fits in with your confirmation bias, cling onto that for dear life.
I feel that republicans have in some ways legitimized political violence and other violations if the law both by their rhetoric and by pardoning the January 6 perpetrators. I’m against all political violence, but I don’t think it’s shocking that those who live by the sword die by the sword.
Bob, you’ll never guess what!
The Guardian had to retract that quote from the anonymous source.
Editor’s note: this article was updated on 12 September 2025 to remove quotes after the verified source who attended high school with Tyler Robinson said after publication that they could not accurately remember details of their relationship.”
I have to laugh: I’m on a weekend with a bunch of guys who’ve been friends for 35 years. One guy is a Trumper. We avoid political conversations, but my friend the special master was talking about some of his work, which of course is vaccines. The Trumper jumps in with “Fauci is so evil, do you know what he did?” Etc. Try to steer it back to RFK jr, and it becomes “who are these elites to tell us what shots we should get?” And so on. I knew exactly what was coming become it was almost word-for-word stuff that Bob had said. A bunch of talking points that consistently shift the focus from the question at hand to the terrible people who Biden blah blah blah.
It’s amazing to me that a group of people who repeat the same shit in response to any reported fact are somehow advocates for free-thinking and individual choice.