Weird weekend to be a Knicks fan. Melo is an obvious hall of famer, but his tenure as our “superstar” was so frustrating from beginning to end that it’s hard to feel all that excited about his induction.
(Though I’ve encountered a lot of Knicks fans who are younger, where he was the first star of the team they knew, and they love him pretty much unconditionally.)
I’m not young and i like Melo, Alan. I think he deserves it, and although things didn’t go as we hoped when he was around, he was hardly the only one to blame, Walsh had his share and Dolan had his own (huge) share too. Maybe Melo with the steady kind of management we have now would fare a lot better. But all in all, congrats to him, i still like those years, it’s certainly better than being at the bottom of the league getting picks from 6 to 10.
Fair enough, cyber. I still can’t entirely forgive him, insisting on being traded at the deadline, rather than waiting for free agency, because that was the original sin. Even if the front office was to blame for almost everything else, but he also refused to play power forward when that was obviously his best position, and I just didn’t really like watching his style of play
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I’m ok with Melo but I feel no kinship to him at all. I don’t even think of him as a Knick. He’s just Melo, and he was here.
I never fully forgave Melo for pushing for a trade and the Knicks having to give up Gallinari for him. As far as I am concerned, Melo had way more skill than Gallo, but at his best, Gallo contributed almost as much value to winning as Melo. Gallo was a much smarter player and got more out of his skill with higher efficiency. He’ll just never the credit he deserves and Melo will almost get more than he deserves because he scored more in volume.
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I find it hard to get excited about Me7o in the HOF. I am not particularly partial to low efficiency (TS% .546) high volume (31.7 USG%) chuckers who are allergic to defense (-1.1 DBPM) who forced his way to NY via trade which sacrificed the exact complimentary players and future assets he needed to succeed.
In addition his “style” of play drove 2 pretty fair coaches George Karl and Pringles (who had a 350 and 150 games over .500 career NBA coaching records respectfully) completely bat shit insane. Also his conduct (I’m not sharing the spotlight with an Asian) during Linsanity was pretty reprehensible.
After watching HOF players like Clyde, Willis and Dave D sublimate their individual skills for the good of the whole and group success, it is hard to admire a selfish, inefficient player like Anthony.
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Amar’e only had like 3 good months here, but I like him so much more. His 30 point game streak reignited the Garden and my passion for basketball. I’ll never forget the game winning block he had against the Bobcats; it came the night before Thanksgiving and the next day I made everyone at my table thank him for coming to NY. Sometime around Christmas I asked my girlfriend if it was ok if we named our firstborn Amar’e, and I argued it would be equally appropriate for a boy or a girl. And as I remember it, he hit a game-winning buzzer beater at the Garden to shut up Paul Pierce and the Celtics. I know it was waived off because it came after the buzzer, but for ten seconds I didn’t know that because I was running around the Village Pourhouse like a lunatic hi-fiving a hundred other delirious Knicks fans, and I’ll always have those ten seconds.
I don’t have as many fond Melo memories, and he played so much longer than Amar’e. Game 2 in Boston his first year when he scored 42 points and almost single-handedly beat Pierce, Garnett, Allen, and Rondo was probably my favorite, because for one night I thought maybe he really is that good. There was an Easter Sunday game against the DRose/Thibodeau Bulls that blew my mind, I remember that. And he had that great game against the Heat in the playoffs but it was somewhat muted by the fact that we were down 3-0.
But he was very hard to embrace bc like Alan said he ripped the heart out of our team. And it was always his ego. Whether it was the arrogance that made him think we didn’t need the supporting players and draft picks it took to acquire him, the fragility that made him shade Lin and contribute to his departure, or just the game-to-game “I’m taking every shot down the stretch” which led to predictably terrible results, it was always so much ego with him. And it wasn’t fun.
Even his one good team disintegrated in the playoffs in large part because of his ego. He single-handedly killed the two-PG, move-the-ball, bomb-from-3 style of play that was so effective because in his mind it was the playoffs so that meant he had to take every shot.
RIP Davey Johnson, who I liked a lot despite his moustache, and who had an inexplicable 43 homers one season back in the day.
And I’m with Team Melo Who.
steve ballmer says him and the clippers did nothing wrong, just made an introduction with kawhi’s people and another company…
case is closed…
Whatever you think of him Melo was a great player and deserving HOFer. The Brunson era has been by far the best stretch of Knicks basketball since the 90’s but for me the 54 win season with Melo winning the scoring title was the funnest regular season we’ve had this century.
Sometimes it’s an attitude and character thing. Melo was a bit aloof and kinda cheesy in some of his acts, and that doesn’t scream “New York” as that dog attitude that Brunson and Hart possess.
That’s why what Hubie says resonates for me too: Amar’e had, even if for a short-ish stretch, those qualities, so it’s easier to have fond memories if him.
(Also why last year’s KAT-featuring team was less fun for me to root for).
Melo was probably a better player than I gave him credit for at the time. He was a solid 3-5 BPM player for most of his tenure here. Ideally he’d have been a second or third banana on a team with a true superstar as top banana, so he was miscast as a Franchise Player. He gave you league average efficiency but on sky high volume with low turnovers, and he created his own shot of very high percentage of the time.
He was a bit of a throwback to the 80’s/90’s style scoring small forward. Dominique Wilkins, Adrian Dantley, Mark Aguirre, etc.
I don’t even really consider him a “real” knick….agree with Al,Hubert and Strat on their points…also…..i never got the feeling that he put the team above his own needs…
Have I said enough about Melo over the years making comment now unnecessary?
I think so.
Somewhere, I hope Ruru is a very happy man at least.
melo mostly frustrated me while he played for us, saw him as a selfish player, never really focused on making his teammates better…
except for olympic melo, which we never really got while he played for us…
did appreciate though how he handled phil…
I’ll never forget the game winning block he had against the Bobcats;
Against who? I have no recollection of that team existing, sorry Amar’e’s block.
Way more excited about Woj getting inducted. Talk about a well deserved award….
Yabu seems to be taking a leadership role on his team and playing very well, at least on offense.
Not only was Melo not a great Knick, he shouldn’t even be in the HoF. Fundamentally he was a losing player. Put himself above the team, always got lost on defensive rotations (and then sniped at his teammates for not covering for him), took ill advised shots all the time.
Made 1 conference final ever. How many great players can say that?
If it were the NBA Hall of Fame get your POV, but Syracuse And Olympic Melo play a part in the Basketball Hall of Fame. If there was a Knicks Hall of Fame perhaps Melo makes the top 15, which is interesting since there are not 14 Knicks players in the Basketball Hall of Fame. Being team first matters to fans more than league wide stats and accolades.
Melo had 2 seasons with BPM over 4 (topped at 5.0). He scored a lot of points but was not efficient, not a great rebounder, not a great passer, not a great defender, not that exciting to watch. Mediocre player with great branding.
darules, I disagree — Melo was very exciting to watch. Like a rollercoaster ride, as in often feeling nauseous and screaming to make it stop.
Melo was very exciting to watch. Like a rollercoaster ride, as in often feeling nauseous and screaming to make it stop.
Yes, that he certainly was.
I feel such a lack of enthusiasm for Melo it’s a chore even to write this post
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Melo’s lasting legacy on this blog is that he created me. If it wasn’t for him, JR Smith, JL Dolan and their dumb drive away everything fun about the knicks cartel, I’d probably hate Tyrese Halliburton along with the rest of ya.
I get the indifference towards Melo, but I never really understood the soft spot people have for Amar’e, who was not as good, equally as selfish, and always injured. Amar’e wasn’t even that good in his lone “good” season here.
Carmelo Anthony is a mezzanine player
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I didn’t like trade for Melo and I thought he was a selfish player but I have to confess, the season where the race for most points per game in the league went down to the wire and he won was really exciting and I really wanted him to win it. It’s the hall of fame, and he is famous, so he should be there, even if I don’t like his game.
Sorry if this has already been covered. From John Karalis:
In addition to his $28 million endorsement contract with Aspiration, Kawhi Leonard allegedly also had a separate deal where he would receive an additional $20 million in company stock, reports John Karalis of Boston Sports Journal. The stock came from co-founder Joseph Sanberg’s personal holdings in the company over four years and bring Leonard’s promised compensation to $48 million.
I don’t see anything sketchy here at all…
For all you dodgers fans out there, Yamamoto has a no hitter in the 9th.
For all you Orioles fans out there, he didn’t get it.
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Weird weekend to be a Knicks fan. Melo is an obvious hall of famer, but his tenure as our “superstar” was so frustrating from beginning to end that it’s hard to feel all that excited about his induction.
(Though I’ve encountered a lot of Knicks fans who are younger, where he was the first star of the team they knew, and they love him pretty much unconditionally.)
I’m not young and i like Melo, Alan. I think he deserves it, and although things didn’t go as we hoped when he was around, he was hardly the only one to blame, Walsh had his share and Dolan had his own (huge) share too. Maybe Melo with the steady kind of management we have now would fare a lot better. But all in all, congrats to him, i still like those years, it’s certainly better than being at the bottom of the league getting picks from 6 to 10.
Fair enough, cyber. I still can’t entirely forgive him, insisting on being traded at the deadline, rather than waiting for free agency, because that was the original sin. Even if the front office was to blame for almost everything else, but he also refused to play power forward when that was obviously his best position, and I just didn’t really like watching his style of play
I’m ok with Melo but I feel no kinship to him at all. I don’t even think of him as a Knick. He’s just Melo, and he was here.
I never fully forgave Melo for pushing for a trade and the Knicks having to give up Gallinari for him. As far as I am concerned, Melo had way more skill than Gallo, but at his best, Gallo contributed almost as much value to winning as Melo. Gallo was a much smarter player and got more out of his skill with higher efficiency. He’ll just never the credit he deserves and Melo will almost get more than he deserves because he scored more in volume.
I find it hard to get excited about Me7o in the HOF. I am not particularly partial to low efficiency (TS% .546) high volume (31.7 USG%) chuckers who are allergic to defense (-1.1 DBPM) who forced his way to NY via trade which sacrificed the exact complimentary players and future assets he needed to succeed.
In addition his “style” of play drove 2 pretty fair coaches George Karl and Pringles (who had a 350 and 150 games over .500 career NBA coaching records respectfully) completely bat shit insane. Also his conduct (I’m not sharing the spotlight with an Asian) during Linsanity was pretty reprehensible.
After watching HOF players like Clyde, Willis and Dave D sublimate their individual skills for the good of the whole and group success, it is hard to admire a selfish, inefficient player like Anthony.
what is a kobe 6 prtotro doogy for that matter what is a prtotro
Amar’e only had like 3 good months here, but I like him so much more. His 30 point game streak reignited the Garden and my passion for basketball. I’ll never forget the game winning block he had against the Bobcats; it came the night before Thanksgiving and the next day I made everyone at my table thank him for coming to NY. Sometime around Christmas I asked my girlfriend if it was ok if we named our firstborn Amar’e, and I argued it would be equally appropriate for a boy or a girl. And as I remember it, he hit a game-winning buzzer beater at the Garden to shut up Paul Pierce and the Celtics. I know it was waived off because it came after the buzzer, but for ten seconds I didn’t know that because I was running around the Village Pourhouse like a lunatic hi-fiving a hundred other delirious Knicks fans, and I’ll always have those ten seconds.
I don’t have as many fond Melo memories, and he played so much longer than Amar’e. Game 2 in Boston his first year when he scored 42 points and almost single-handedly beat Pierce, Garnett, Allen, and Rondo was probably my favorite, because for one night I thought maybe he really is that good. There was an Easter Sunday game against the DRose/Thibodeau Bulls that blew my mind, I remember that. And he had that great game against the Heat in the playoffs but it was somewhat muted by the fact that we were down 3-0.
But he was very hard to embrace bc like Alan said he ripped the heart out of our team. And it was always his ego. Whether it was the arrogance that made him think we didn’t need the supporting players and draft picks it took to acquire him, the fragility that made him shade Lin and contribute to his departure, or just the game-to-game “I’m taking every shot down the stretch” which led to predictably terrible results, it was always so much ego with him. And it wasn’t fun.
Even his one good team disintegrated in the playoffs in large part because of his ego. He single-handedly killed the two-PG, move-the-ball, bomb-from-3 style of play that was so effective because in his mind it was the playoffs so that meant he had to take every shot.
RIP Davey Johnson, who I liked a lot despite his moustache, and who had an inexplicable 43 homers one season back in the day.
And I’m with Team Melo Who.
steve ballmer says him and the clippers did nothing wrong, just made an introduction with kawhi’s people and another company…
case is closed…
Whatever you think of him Melo was a great player and deserving HOFer. The Brunson era has been by far the best stretch of Knicks basketball since the 90’s but for me the 54 win season with Melo winning the scoring title was the funnest regular season we’ve had this century.
Sometimes it’s an attitude and character thing. Melo was a bit aloof and kinda cheesy in some of his acts, and that doesn’t scream “New York” as that dog attitude that Brunson and Hart possess.
That’s why what Hubie says resonates for me too: Amar’e had, even if for a short-ish stretch, those qualities, so it’s easier to have fond memories if him.
(Also why last year’s KAT-featuring team was less fun for me to root for).
Melo was probably a better player than I gave him credit for at the time. He was a solid 3-5 BPM player for most of his tenure here. Ideally he’d have been a second or third banana on a team with a true superstar as top banana, so he was miscast as a Franchise Player. He gave you league average efficiency but on sky high volume with low turnovers, and he created his own shot of very high percentage of the time.
He was a bit of a throwback to the 80’s/90’s style scoring small forward. Dominique Wilkins, Adrian Dantley, Mark Aguirre, etc.
I don’t even really consider him a “real” knick….agree with Al,Hubert and Strat on their points…also…..i never got the feeling that he put the team above his own needs…
Have I said enough about Melo over the years making comment now unnecessary?
I think so.
Somewhere, I hope Ruru is a very happy man at least.
melo mostly frustrated me while he played for us, saw him as a selfish player, never really focused on making his teammates better…
except for olympic melo, which we never really got while he played for us…
did appreciate though how he handled phil…
Against who? I have no recollection of that team existing, sorry Amar’e’s block.
Way more excited about Woj getting inducted. Talk about a well deserved award….
Yabu seems to be taking a leadership role on his team and playing very well, at least on offense.
Not only was Melo not a great Knick, he shouldn’t even be in the HoF. Fundamentally he was a losing player. Put himself above the team, always got lost on defensive rotations (and then sniped at his teammates for not covering for him), took ill advised shots all the time.
Made 1 conference final ever. How many great players can say that?
If it were the NBA Hall of Fame get your POV, but Syracuse And Olympic Melo play a part in the Basketball Hall of Fame. If there was a Knicks Hall of Fame perhaps Melo makes the top 15, which is interesting since there are not 14 Knicks players in the Basketball Hall of Fame. Being team first matters to fans more than league wide stats and accolades.
Melo had 2 seasons with BPM over 4 (topped at 5.0). He scored a lot of points but was not efficient, not a great rebounder, not a great passer, not a great defender, not that exciting to watch. Mediocre player with great branding.
darules, I disagree — Melo was very exciting to watch. Like a rollercoaster ride, as in often feeling nauseous and screaming to make it stop.
Yes, that he certainly was.
I feel such a lack of enthusiasm for Melo it’s a chore even to write this post
Melo’s lasting legacy on this blog is that he created me. If it wasn’t for him, JR Smith, JL Dolan and their dumb drive away everything fun about the knicks cartel, I’d probably hate Tyrese Halliburton along with the rest of ya.
I get the indifference towards Melo, but I never really understood the soft spot people have for Amar’e, who was not as good, equally as selfish, and always injured. Amar’e wasn’t even that good in his lone “good” season here.
Carmelo Anthony is a mezzanine player
I didn’t like trade for Melo and I thought he was a selfish player but I have to confess, the season where the race for most points per game in the league went down to the wire and he won was really exciting and I really wanted him to win it. It’s the hall of fame, and he is famous, so he should be there, even if I don’t like his game.
Sorry if this has already been covered. From John Karalis:
I don’t see anything sketchy here at all…
For all you dodgers fans out there, Yamamoto has a no hitter in the 9th.
For all you Orioles fans out there, he didn’t get it.