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Surprised at Silver’s take on the Knicks Raptors lawsuit (only know what has been said in the filings, best to withhold judgment because it may end up in front of me). Would think one of his primary jobs is to keep teams in harmony so would intervene heavily when one team sues another. Unless he tried to at the beginning and failed or realises that trying to talk sense to Dolan is a lost cause.
The Liberty have the best football team too
“Surprised at Silver’s take on the Knicks Raptors lawsuit…”
Sounds like a perfectly reasonable take under the circumstances. Knowing the actual extra-NBA legal ramifications is important in determining how to address it, as it would seem that intellectual property law trumps the CBA and NBA charter on this matter unless there was an applicable provision that allowed for the behavior.
The last time MSG filed a lawsuit that I know of, it turned out they had a good case. They sued the Clippers for violating agreements they had with city of Englewood concerning the forum, which was an MSG owned entertainment nearby the site for the new stadium the Clippers wanted build. The Clippers ended up having to pay MSG $400M to buy the forum before they could build their stadium. As part of the settlement, the Clippers agreed to retain all the MSG employees who worked at the forum. So Dolan took care of his employees in the settlement. Despite the bad reputation Dolan has on this blog, it’s unfair to assume he sues on a whim. If the content theft was minor, for example just the stuff the employee in question had prepared himself, I doubt there would be a lawsuit. Like Silver, I’m waiting to see what comes about because of this lawsuit. And given that MSG and Toronto are basically some of his bosses, it’s not surprising he is in a wait and see position.
Z-man, the whole thing seems strange. The reports suggest the Knicks have a very strong case. If these were two normal companies the CEO of the aggrieved company would call the CEO of the poaching company, explain the details and it would be settled–employee fired, data returned, undertaking that they won’t use the data. There has got to be some important unreported fact.
KFNINJ, to me this is different in 2 respects–with the Clippers, Silver was actively trying to get Balmer and Dolan to agree before the lawsuits, and the lawsuits were never Knicks v Clippers, but rather MSG v various California public bodies whom MSG felt misled the Knicks.
My commenting on it is in part because it probably is the most interesting event of this Knick’s off-season!
I’ll leave the legal stuff to lawyers, but I am interested what the compensation could be if Dolan wins.
Yes, the whole thing seems strange, but not Silver’s response to the strange situation at this time. I think that if the case is limited to targeted digesting of Synergy data, it will be hard to prove illegality. But if proprietary info is involved, like photocopies of the Knicks playbook, that’s another story. Any legal finding would help Silver justify any actions he takes to the governors and the media.
It seems like it will be challenging to prove that this sort of intellectual property is legally protected…given that it’s the work product of the individual in question. If it’s clear that given enough time and resources (including his own memory)he could reproduce everything taken, it would probably come down to whether some sort of non-disclosure agreement existed.
The more I think about this team, the less enthusiastic I feel about this season. I think a LOT hinges on whether Grimes, RJ, and Quick improve and how much. I said it about a month ago and my convictions are growing. We could get some improvement, have a better team, and finish with a worse record.
I’ll leave the legal stuff to lawyers, but I am interested what the compensation could be if Dolan wins.
Do we necessarily want Dolan to win? Perhaps the best outcome would be that the case is lost or dismissed as frivolous, the Knicks are fined by the court as well as the league, and Dolan’s suitability as an owner takes center stage. I cannot believe his tenure would survive the scrutiny of a post-David Sterling, post-Sarver, post Daniel Snyder world.
Honestly, unless something really damning comes out I feel like this lawsuit is a bunch of nothing. From the info we do have, it sounds like the info that was taken was available to any team with the subscription.
It will not
It probably happens all the time, but when an inter-division rival steals your intellectual property, which of course is covered in any employment agreement, and does so in such an obvious, verifiable manner, of course there should be a lawsuit, of course it’s justified, and of course the Knicks will win.
“I’ll leave the legal stuff to lawyers, but I am interested what the compensation could be if Dolan wins.”
It seems weird to me that when a team is sanctioned for tampering, the aggrieved team doesn’t get compensated. For example, the Knicks were found to have tampered in the Brunson situation and forfeited a second rounder. Why doesn’t the pick go to Dallas?
I know this isn’t musicblogger, but today my instagram memories reminded me of the time 5 years ago when I serendipitously stumbled upon a very small unannounced Lupe Fiasco show in Montauk that ended up with Wyclef Jean, Ghostface Killa, and Jimmy Buffett eventually joining from the crowd and participating. I mention this because of course Mr Buffett recently passed, and I know he has no credibility whatsoever among the musical cognoscenti, but man it was stunning to see the way these hip hop legends not only deferred to him but actually revered him. Lupe Fiasco and Ghostface fucking Killa are literally standing there with their phones out recording Jimmy Buffett sing Margaritaville while Wyclef plays the bongoes. Crazy that he was the alpha of that foursome.
Idc about the legal outcome of this lawsuit tbh, but you have to think there’s a little Dolan butthurt over Ujiri’s Bargs swindle involved.
It seems weird to me that when a team is sanctioned for tampering, the aggrieved team doesn’t get compensated. For example, the Knicks were found to have tampered in the Brunson situation and forfeited a second rounder. Why doesn’t the pick go to Dallas?
My theory is that it is hard to determine who the real victim is. For example with Brunson, Dallas likely decided not to pay him 100million. Perhaps Miami or another team would have if they all had the same standing start as the Knicks, so they are the injured parties. Or maybe even Brunson is the victim because there was never a true bidding war for his services.
The question everybody keeps asking is why the Knicks didn’t simply take this to Silver and the league, which is usually the way to resolve this kind of matter in the NBA, rather than making it a lawsuit. I forget if it was on the Lowe Post or Knicks Film School, but someone speculated that Dolan simply got so mad that he ordered his lackeys to take the Raptors to court, as quickly as possible.
We’ll see. Going to Silver at least would have opened the possibility of the Knicks receiving draft compensation, where they will not get it going through these channels.
I started the offseason with unbridled enthusiasm based on how the year ended. If you had asked me a month ago I would have predicted 50 wins. But Brunson’s disappointing tournament and the potential for bad every-other-year juju has got me nervous.
The whole reason I was willing to overlook all the potential regression cases was bc I thought Brunson was going to keeping getting better. But I just didn’t see that in the Philippines. Kerr wanted JB to the guy, not Anthony Edwards. Brunson was set up to do what Dennis Schroeder did. Not only did Brunson fail to assert himself in the starting lineup, but he eventually lost his role in the closing lineup to Halliburton.
I’ll say this, though: even though I’m nervous, I would be more nervous betting the under on this team. It’s really hard to see us having a year as bad as 2021-2. I feel like the floor for this team is something like 44 wins unless Mitchell Robinson misses 60 games or we have to play half the season with Josh Hart at power forward.
Per the news reports,
Azotan didn’t leave the Knicks until August even though he accepted Raptors employment in July. So it seems like the Knicks think he worked as a mole for a month funneling Knicks information to the Raptors instead of just resigning right away in July. If true, that’s worse than just forwarding synergy film clips.
Note the news quote comes from this:
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/08/22/sport/new-york-knicks-toronto-raptors-alleged-stolen-proprietary-spt-intl/index.html
I am definitely excited about the season. I think Jalen is a guy whose game doesn’t quite translate internationally – I have no concerns about him in the NBA though.
I get to watch Josh Hart and Mitch do their thing. I get to see whether IQ rates as one of the best two way perimeter players in the league. I get to see if Grimes can break out.
Compare to some of the total dreck we have had to watch over the years that seems like a feast.
I agree.
This team seems to have a hard ceiling due to a lack of elite athleticism. That can be very hard to overcome in the playoffs when you need a “superstar edge” — unless you have a genius like Jokic, and even he has a supremely athletic supporting cast.
Jalen does raise that ceiling quite a bit, but adding a 99-percentile, two-way athlete is still a need at this point and will be hard to get outside of the draft.
“My theory is that it is hard to determine who the real victim is. For example with Brunson, Dallas likely decided not to pay him 100million. Perhaps Miami or another team would have if they all had the same standing start as the Knicks, so they are the injured parties. Or maybe even Brunson is the victim because there was never a true bidding war for his services.”
While all of this might be true, at the end of the day, he was under contract to the Mavs, so there is absolutely no doubt that they are aggrieved and should be entitled to compensation. All the other stuff is theoretical.
My feeling is that on a net basis the league has improved more than the Knicks likely will.
I also think there’s an adjustment risk.
A few years ago the Hawks demonstrated in the playoffs that if you double teamed Randle, the Knicks didn’t have enough playmaking and scoring to overcome it. So that’s what everyone did the following year.
This year, we had the extra scorer and playmaker we needed in Brunson, but the real key to the solid offensive efficiency was offensive rebounding. No one is going to keep us off the boards completely because we have some very good offensive rebounders, but the game plan is going to be to keep us off the boards. So I’m expecting that to be less of an asset. Thibs will need a new trick.
I’m not worried about Brunson. The FIBA team had enough weapons that Brunson wasn’t going to need to be an alpha scorer. He took that role on in NY last year and in Dallas when Doncic was out because he had to in order to win. But if we get more of a #1 on this team eventually, Brunson will naturally and comfortably slide his usage back. If not, he’ll take on the same bigger role he had in NY last year.
Brunson is what he is. He’s a very smart player, very good leader, very good scorer, loves to win, but a weak defender. He’s a very good but not great all around player.
I am VERY excited for the upcoming season. The team as currently constructed is highly rootable. There are some young players non-far-fetched upside. There is roster stability so that we can hit the ground running while other teams are still figuring our a rotation.
We are quite likely to be in the playoffs unless bad luck intervenes, something that I couldn’t say for the vast majority of the post-Ewing years. And beyond that, there is a very real possibility that the roster can be further improved via trade, whether for a disgruntled superstar or a clear upgrade at a given spot. And given that a terribly flawed team like Miami got to the finals last year, I feel that anything can happen.
“No one is going to keep us off the boards completely because we have some very good offensive rebounders, but the game plan is going to be to keep us off the boards. So I’m expecting that to be less of an asset. Thibs will need a new trick.”
That’s easier said than done. I agree that we need to shoot and score more efficiently, but there is ample internal upside for that, starting with DDV but including RJ, Grimes and IQ. Even iHart might have some untapped potential.
I’d say this to the other teams: Good luck keeping Mitch away from the OREBs! 😀
This is the key for me, i enjoy rooting for these guys. We’ll most likely be in the playoffs, with a good chance to win one series, maybe two if we have some luck. We all want to win the championship, or at least go to the finals, but for now i think having a highly rootable team that contends to be in the conference finals is good for me. I don’t miss spending the 2nd half of the season analyzing draft prospects. Of course at some point we’ll have to bring in one superstar to be a real contender, but for now we need to be patient and wait for the right moment to strike. Giannis, maybe, if KYN is doing his part with success. 😀
“…if KYN is doing his part with success. 😀”
KYN is the real Greek Freak!
I’m excited for the season but this isn’t really the kind of team you can dream on. We probably win something like 45-50 games, get some breakout-ish seasons from some of the young guys, some disappointing seasons from others. That’s kind of just the way the law of averages works. There’s lots of continuity here now so I don’t expect the team to implode.
We have achieved competence. That’s not nothing. Getting to the next level is the hard part but this is the best position we’ve been in for a very long time so this should be an enjoyable year.
I’m with JK. Don’t know how you can’t be excited for the team after so many years of rooting for the Langston Galloways of the world just to become rotation players. No, we probably won’t get to the Finals, but I feel like I’ll be able to turn on a random game in January and see some decent bball and probably a win.
I’m super pumped about this season. Love rooting for these guys.
If mostly healthy, – Knicks are a 50+ win team & top 4 seed with a decent (~25%) probability of going to conference finals.
What’s not to get excited about? – picked up quarter season ticket package for the first time in over a decade. I’ll be in section 213, screaming defense with my son and reporting the number of remaining strings on Thibs perfectly combed and gelled hairstyle.
Director, attribute part of last season’s bounce back to Thibs new hair treatment ala his beard. Expecting a shaved head this season.
“I’m excited for the season but this isn’t really the kind of team you can dream on.”
I dont really see it this way. We can certainly steel ourselves against unrealistic expectations, but so long as the team doesn’t have a hard ceiling like we did in prior years, you can definitely dream on this team having a path to a special season. It’s not outlandish to dream on RJ making some sort of leap, for IQ, Grimes and iHart to all improve, for DDV to make a difference, and for Julius, Brunson, JHart and Mitch to play something like they played last year or even better now that they are starting the year off with chemistry and stability. Our starting lineup is more decent, and we probably will have one of the best benches in the NBA. And it’s not outlandish to dream on Leon engineering a big in-season trade that shakes up the East. In other words, the “dream” is not limited to who is on the roster right now, as it pretty much was in the prime Melo years.
I was hoping for one significant upgrade somewhere.
I don’t see DDV as the kind of upgrade I was looking for.
I like DDV’s game a lot, but he’s duplicative positionally. We may have a more diverse skillset with him, but sometimes when he’s on the court that means either Quick, J-Hart or Grimes are not. Those guys are all solid players too. So how much do we gain (or maybe even lose?). If you think DDV is a better player than Obi, that’s fine. In this snapshot in time I’d agree with that. So maybe we gain something going small against certain matchups, but we probably lose something when we go small against some matchups.
I was never a huge Obi bull (loved his energy and personality), but I think the best is ahead for him. I would rather have stayed with him than give him away UNLESS there’s a consolidation trade coming later. But even that scares me because I love Quick and Grimes.
DDV seems to give us the flexibility to make moves in the trade market later, in addition to being good chemistry. Kind of an odd acquisition otherwise.
You know, I understand wanting some big off season move. But I think after the Kemba/Fournier deals blew up in their faces, they’re wanting to just stay the course and rely on internal development and built in chemistry to move them forward while they wait patiently for the right move to go to the next level. We live in a DO SOMETHING NOW culture but this is really just the second year of this current team’s iteration and everyone for the most part is super young. And the season was a very big success and there is reason to believe they can be better than last year with largely the same squad. It took them 20 games to figure out the 9 man rotation and then they only had hart the last third of the season.
What I’m hoping is a true 10 man rotation this year so we can keep dudes fresh. This is why I am a little worried about not having a true back up PF. I really do think Randle’s struggles this last playoffs were injury related and not mental like 2 seasons ago.
Also every year people say “oh man the league/east/division has gotten so much better” and pretty much every year it’s the same handful of teams that are good. There’s always one or two surprises in both directions. But I don’t see this massive improvement from other teams this year in the east. It looks very much the same as last year. I think that bodes well for us because we got one of the younger teams.
At the World Cup Brunson’s FG% was 51% while shooting 38% from 3pt range and he also went 21 for 22 from the FT line.
Brunson is the last player we need to worry about.
The thing you have to look at here and kind of scratch your head about is motive. This isn’t the Lakers v Celtics, or the Yanks and Sox. Though technically “division rivals”, the Raptors and Knicks have almost no competitive history with each other, and the Knicks aren’t standing in anybody’s way to glory, let alone the re-tooling Raptors. It seems like an odd place to expose one’s self legally. There’s just very little upside.
I actually think a big part of the excitement over this season is being able to see all the same players again, it’s fun being able to root for and getting attached to a certain group of players over a few seasons. Even the frustrating ones like RJ lol
I’m with BigBlueAL, except maybe regarding RJ… (please prove me wrong, RJ…)
On a separate note, a bit of absurdist football record-breaking trivia for Giants fans, of which I am not one (from The Athletic):
After six scoreless quarters to start the season (the Giants’ slowest start since 1934, according to NFL Network), Daniel Jones threw for more than 250 yards, rushed for more than 50, threw multiple touchdowns, rushed for a touchdown and didn’t have a turnover, becoming the first quarterback in NFL history to do that in a second half, according to OptaSTATS.
DDV should help us lock down on defense. Our defense was below average last year and shouldn’t be when we have Mitch & iHart in the paint.
He also opens the paint on the other side of the floor for RJ/Randle/Brunson.
Denver’s big acquisitions last year were KCP & Bruce Brown. (Sure, they got Porter & Jamal healthy but whatever)
Never thought about it like that, too used to hoping what’s new works, but BBAl nails it.
jalen played well at the world cup…he had some issues on defense, but so did the whole team at times…
the only real negative from the tourney is that he’s not as freakishly athletically gifted as tyrese haliburton…
YES! It is refreshing to root for the same team. To watch players get better and to watch the team get better.
Good defenses can evolve over time when a core group of guys stay together for awhile. And we really have that for the first time in forever. I think DDV will help in that regard. I don’t ever expect Jalen to be a good defender and Randle is frustrating bc he can be good but has his lapses. But I do expect Grimes and IQ to get better. I expect McBride to play more minutes and be a positive. And I expect RJ to get better. Plus a full season of Hart should help. I think outside of individual improvement by the young guys, the team defense getting better and more consistent is where we could see this team continue to creep forward.
Unless they’re trying to do this with other teams too.
I had the same thought.
A) then this would be a class action lawsuit.
B) they need good basketball players, not more data.
C) how many assistant video coordinators can they even fit in the video room anyway?
I still think they should have to forfeit Anunoby to the Knicks.
Too many video coordinators? They should trade for Randle, and he’ll take care of the problem. 😀
Just like in the 90s! 😉
About RJ, i still have high hopes for him. He’ll never be efficient, but i think once he acknowledges that, he’ll be able to get better at defense, FTs, assists, and thus becoming a valuable player. Maybe it’s the offseason “speaking”, because i’m not watching RJ play 3 times a week. 😛
RJ = Charles Smith
I think that what’s also very exciting is that even if everyone plays more or less like they did last year, including RJ, we are STILL a very good team! There are only a couple of outlier numbers to worry about:
-Julius’ 2pt%, although there is balancing upside in his other shooting numbers
-Josh Hart’s shooting efficiency…. a TS% of .703 is not sustainable
And there is some reversion to the mean that could be positive. For example:
-RJ shot lower than his career average from 3pt range.
-iHart’s per 36 numbers were all below his career averages and could bounce back.
And if one believes that RJ, IQ, Grimes and iHart have potential to be better than they were simply due to things like maturity, work ethic, continuity in coach, teammates, playing time and role, and the synergistic effect of Brunson, JHart and DDV, there are plenty of reasons to believe that this is a high-ish floor (say, .500), high-ish ceiling team (say, 50-55 wins) team.
You made a major left turn, rama. Safe to say both me and strat are excited for the upcoming season. Just nervous about potential pitfalls, adjustments, and regressions.
Two things I’m most afraid of:
1. Mitch injuries. Can he continue to avoid them?
2. The backup PF position. Yes, it won’t matter if Randle plays 35 mins/game. But when there’s a gaping hole ready to be exposed if one player gets injured, it sure seems like that player tends to get injured.
Re: Brunson, I’m not worried about him taking a step back bc of his FIBA performance. I was actually counting on him making another step forward. I feel less sure of that after the world cup.
Ok three things:
The last two times we were good, we followed it up with a stinker of a season. Both times I didn’t see it coming. Naturally a little reluctant to get carried away.
The recent struggles following good seasons make the 1992-2000 stretch where the Knicks reached the 2nd rd 9 years in a row seem even more impressive. If you go back to 1989 it would be 11 seasons out of 12 advancing to the 2nd rd.
Holy cow, did the NYT finally just dump their sports page?
How do I get scores and game narratives now?
Another great night at Barclays. Survive and advance.
I was today years old when I learned that the Liberty moved to Brooklyn.
If the Knicks win their case in open court the case will turn to assessing damages. I can imagine some odd legal arguments from Toronto: “The Knicks are so badly organized and behind the times that none of the material was any help to us, or “Our coach is too clueless and pig headed to benefit from the information” or “It’s in our best interest to tank and we have decided to do so, and the Knicks information made it harder for us to be bad, so it hurt us overall”.
ha, that’s funny KfniNJ 🙂
it’ll be all of the above…
Projections from an objective observer:
Randle: down
Brunson: hold
Barrett: slightly up
Grimes: hold
Hart: down
DiVincenzo: down
Robinson: hold
Quickley: up
Hartenstein: hold
Unfortunately, as goes Randle so go the Knicks.