2014-15 Game Thread: Knicks @ Heat

This is going to be a tough game for the Knicks to lose, but hopefully they can pull it out with Philly and Minnesota both playing very losable games tonight.

Hassan Whiteside is luckily healthy enough to play.

And, of course, most importantly, so is Andrea Bargnani.

Let’s go! Knicks?

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36 thoughts to “2014-15 Game Thread: Knicks @ Heat”

  1. Melo may be the worst player in the league at bringing it up the court with limited time on the clock. There were 3.6 seconds left and he got the pass outside their own three point line, and only got to halfcourt before chucking up an air ball. He shows no sense of urgency with little time left when he has to go full court. I’d rather just give it to a guard and have them hustle down and take a desperation 3 than let Melo shoot it from half.

  2. Speaking of the draft (which we basically do every day we follow the Knicks), I was just thinking back to the Wall-Turner-Favors draft and man, Evan Turner has got to a prime example of a guy who never put it together. So when we look at guys and say “He’ll adjust in the NBA,” it is true that most prospects do adjust and improve, but Turner was a guy who never improved in the NBA and it ruined his career. I thought Turner was going to be a stud in the NBA. And a lot of what I liked about him is still true, he is a good defender who can defend multiple positions. But he just never improved his shot and now he’s just hot garbage (although still good enough to play in the NBA, don’t get me wrong).

  3. it just seemed like he never worked on his game… he is exactly the player he was in college except he plays against nba players… still good enough to be something of an ok/blah nba player but still mediocre…

    there’s something to the whole wingspan portending to player development… he had really short arms but nobody seemed to care about that… it didn’t help that he went to the sixers where prospects go to die(pre-hinkie but jury’s out on them still)…

  4. Brian @25– yeah, that’s what I was getting at the other day. People talk of “floors” with draft picks, but the floor for all these guys, even the seemingly “can’t miss” guys, can be really, really low. Even in a deep draft, the top prospects can be Turner, or Thabeet, or Darko, or a dozen other top 2 picks that just don’t pan into anything worthwhile.

    I remember talk back 3 years ago that Shumpert’s “floor” was Tony Allen while his ceiling was peak level Golden State Sprewell… Now he’s traded for nothing before his rookie deal is up. Haha. Oh well.

    New York has given it’s fans precious little to invest in, so people are now putting all their hopes into drafting a “franchise changing player” this summer. It’s something, I suppose. But I see compounded disappointment on the horizon…

  5. ps– I don’t see how losing winnable games (with Carmelo playing) is good for the team.

    Philadelphia played Golden State tough today. They are playing above expectation. Minnesota is building toward something with youth.

    But the Knicks flounder away. How is pingpong balls better that showing something for the future: either to Free Agents or to good old fans?

  6. Because both Philly and Minny have young players worth developing, so it’s worth it for their team to be a bit more competitive. If the Knicks had such players, I’d be cool with them developing them and being competitive. They don’t. They have one star player in his 30s, one even older decent player, one kind of sort decent young guy in Galloway (and heck, they are giving Galloway a lot of minutes), whatever Cole is, whatever Thomas is and a whole pile of garbage that won’t be part of next year’s Knick team, let alone the next good Knicks team.

    So they lose nothing in having these guys lose because there’s nothing to be gained by any of them winning, since they won’t be here next year.

    We know Melo and Calderon can be on good teams, we don’t need to see them do it to know they can do it. So then it is basically Galloway and he seems fine, so it’s not like they’re hurting him.

    Now if they stopped messing around and just bought out all their veteran scrubs and signed 10-day contract players with actual potential, then sure, then I’d be fine with them being competitive, because there would be a point to it all. Here, the point is to lock in that worst record, and they’re doing that nicely. It’s the first time in a couple of years I’ve actually been pleased with what this team has done.

  7. It’s the first time in a couple of years I’ve actually been pleased with what this team has done.

    Biting sarcasm or the truth?

    I think age has something to do with attitude about the Knicks. It’s been 42 years, as Irving Bierman says. 42 f’n years! Trouble is, I remember that last time because I was 14. Can I wait another 42? I’ll be 98 and doubt that I’ll care then.

    So while the best thing for the Knicks is to pray for the next LeBron, Bird, Magic or MJ to fall into their laps, purgatory is where we live. We have no chance now or the near future. In 3 years Boston and Phillie will be dynamic powerhouses and we’ll have a broken down, bitter, 33-year old that goes to bed dreaming about getting traded to a contender that would like some scoring off the bench.

    Crap. It sucks getting old as a Knick fan.

  8. Bitter truth, I’d say. ;)

    The Knicks’ future does suck, that’s true (for at least the next year or so and more likely the full length of Melo’s contract), but at the very least if they keep losing they’ll be in good shape for a top 3 pick, which is good, since I really like this draft. I thought Evan Turner was a no-brainer #2 pick back in the day, but that was only in the context of that particular draft, which I didn’t think was amazing after Wall, who I wasn’t even a fan of but he was clearly a guy who was going to be a star (I just thought he was going to be an overrated star, only he has now turned out to be a legit star). As it happened, while I thought back in the day that Boogie Cousins should have gone #3 overall, I didn’t think Cousins would be this good and I certainly didn’t think Paul George would be as good as he has been. So that draft actually turned out better than I thought (and both Greg Monroe and Gordon Hayward have exceeded my expectations). I think that this draft looks much better than that draft. And this draft looks light years better than the last two drafts. So with the Knicks on pace to have the worst record in the league, that’s a rare thing that has turned out right for this team. Even the worst case scenario (the #4 pick) isn’t an awful scenario.

    But yeah, I certainly feel you on the whole “Seriously? I have to wait, like, three more years before they’re even possibly really good?” thing. But come on, we’ve already gone through fifteen years of some of the shittiest basketball imaginable, we can hold out for a few more years!

  9. I think that this draft looks much better than that draft. And this draft looks light years better than the last two drafts.

    Looks like the highly hyped 2014 draft could be more sizzle than steak, huh?

    (Although, to be fair, everyone is out injured. I still think Parker, Randle and Embiid will be at least solid starters for the next 12 years, so in the end it won’t be that bad.)

  10. To be fair, that draft was hyped based on the high school performance of the players. After most of them fizzled out in college, people changed their view of the draft. The reason the 2014 draft seemed to be so special was because it was star-heavy at the top and it had depth. The depth turned out to be true. There have been some strong players taken later in the lottery. The star power just turned out not to be there (as the powerful trio of Randle, Parker and Wiggins disappointed as freshmen). Embiid stepped up, true, before his injury. And Wiggins has been good. But the main point is that by this point of the year last year, people already knew that the 2014 draft wasn’t going to be as great as we first thought it would be when we thought that Parker and Wiggins were going to tear through the NCAA and that Randle would dominate.

  11. But the main point is that by this point of the year last year, people already knew that the 2014 draft wasn’t going to be as great as we first thought it would be

    Yup. The 2014 draft hype went to die in February-March, that’s totally true.

  12. I was the guy who thought Shumpert’s ceiling was Sane Sprewell. I stand by that – although he will never get close now. I never thought his floor was Tony Allen. Tony Allen would have been an awesome outcome.

  13. “I was the guy who thought Shumpert’s ceiling was Sane Sprewell. I stand by that – although he will never get close now. ”
    The thing that pisses me off most about Shumpert is that I am not as sure as you are that he won’t get close to sane Spreewell. I still think that there is a 25-50% chance that he gets it all together and turns out to be very good. The problem is that the Knicks couldn’t gamble that much cap space to see if it happens because there’s at least a 50% chance that he’s out of the league in 3 or 4 years.

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