NY Post: Knicks signing Taj Gibson, releasing Omari Spellman in frontcourt fix

From Marc Berman and Peter Botto:

After discussing reunions with big men Taj Gibson and Tyson Chandler, the Knicks appear to have settled on the one with multi-team ties to coach Tom Thibodeau.

The 6-foot-9 Gibson, who played for Thibodeau in Chicago and Minnesota, is expected to re-sign with the Knicks, according to a source, after they declined his $10 million team option in November. The Knicks have opened the season 5-3 despite operating with razor-thin depth up front due injuries to rookie Obi Toppin, Nerlens Noel and Omari Spellman, but they are likely to waive Spellman to facilitate Gibson’s return.

According to a person close to Gibson, 35, he’s been in Los Angeles since the start of the season and has worked out for seven teams, including the Wizards. The shortened free agency didn’t help Gibson as teams filled up their rosters quickly.

“He’s in shape,” the person said. “There’s no hard feelings. He knows it’s a business.”

According to an NBA source, the Knicks also had held internal talks about bringing back Chandler, a key to their 2012-13 team that won the Atlantic Division when current assistant Mike Woodson was head coach.

I imagine the end scene of Officer and a Gentlemen with Taj and Thibs reuniting. I’m unclear which one is Debra Winger in this scenario.

It’s funny that they even considered Chandler. Taj is pretty done, but Chandler is beyond done, I’m shocked that he’s still trying to keep playing. Dude won a title and made a ton of money, what more does he have to prove?

Gibson is a fine back-up back-up center. And luckily, Mitch has played so outstandingly that we don’t have to worry about Gibson suddenly starting over Mitch, which was my only concern about bringing Gibson back earlier.

Spellman…well, what can you say? Dude showed up way out of shape. It was pretty embarrassing on his part.

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176 thoughts to “NY Post: Knicks signing Taj Gibson, releasing Omari Spellman in frontcourt fix”

  1. I imagine the end scene of Officer and a Gentlemen with Taj and Thibs reuniting. I’m unclear which one is Debra Winger in this scenario.

    hahahahahahahahahahahaha…nice…

    i’m glad to have taj back on the team…we actually maybe, kind of, sort of have a nice mix of vets, prime guys, and young guys on the roster…

    it ain’t my money, but – we are most definitely getting value from just about every signing…

  2. I like to imagine that Thibs is fundamentally unable to remember the names or abilities of players who were not in his rotation in 2010-11, and so he signs them out of necessity when they are available. When they are not available, his assistants have to compare free agents to those players to get him to sign off on the transaction.

    “This Nerlens Noel guy is a pretty good candidate to play backup C. Defense-first kind of big. Low-volume glass cleaner.”

    “Never heard of him. Never seen him play. Pass.”

    “Well, he’s a lot like Omer Asik.”

    “Oh… well, let’s sign him.”

  3. I really don’t get how Noel could possibly have been pissed about his role on the team. He was playing a lot!

  4. I think of it more like Parcells bringing in “his guys”.

    At least in theory, should help create / buttress culture (though whether it did in MN is a good question).

  5. I would have brought back either Taj or Tyson. They’re both close to done, as Brian says, but for 10 minutes here or there, they can both hold the fort down.

    So Kyrie is not with the Nets for “personal reasons”. The Nets don’t know what those “personal reasons” are. Let the drama begin.

  6. Noel did post recently that he wasn’t unhappy, so I’m not reading too much into it to be honest.

  7. @joevardon
    1h
    Steve Nash said he does not know why Kyrie Irving won’t play tonight against the Sixers, as in, he is unaware of what KI’s personal issue is. Nash said he reached out to Kyrie and did not hear back

    hopefully there is some way for them to still acquire harden…

  8. Given who was available … the only answer was Taj, no… I just hate that he’s undersized. Ultimate Knick fairytale reunion would be 39 year Zach Randolph with one job and one job only. Get rebounds…

  9. If nothing else he’s a great “culture” guy. Of course that didn’t mean squat last year but the vibe around the team is undeniably good right and they really only need a break glass in case of emergency guy who is going to be fine riding the bench most nights. Taj fits the bill just fine.

  10. geo: @joevardon
    1h
    Steve Nash said he does not know why Kyrie Irving won’t play tonight against the Sixers, as in, he is unaware of what KI’s personal issue is. Nash said he reached out to Kyrie and did not hear back

    Kyrie only answers calls from his coach.

  11. Kyrie is the guy who is pulling the Nicholas Cage style heist of the Declaration of Independence while DC is in chaos

    But sincerely I’m guessing Kyrie is upset about the DC stuff

  12. Taj is kinda washed, but if he’s here to play 10-12 minutes a night until Noel & Obi heal up I can’t get too upset.

  13. If Noel is actually injured and not looking to leave, then this is fine. If we need to rely on Taj for more than a couple minutes here and there when Mitch & Noel are injured or in foul trouble, then that’s a problem.

    He makes sense to insert as an emergency stopgap since he knows the systems, presumably.

    Once Noel is healthy, I’d really like to cut Taj for a younger player or better C who can take some time to learn the system.

  14. This is the timeline.

    – 2 to 3 days ago unverified rumor had Noel disgruntled with his role in NYC, doesn’t see eye to eye with Thibs and demanding a trade.

    – Noel comes down with an injury out of the blue the next day.

    – The Knicks FO then announces it will resign Taj Gibson to fill in as a backup center.

    – Noel then releases a statement about how he’s thrilled to be a Knick and the reports of him being disgruntled are just made up.

    Hmmmm…

  15. Brian Cronin:
    I really don’t get how Noel could possibly have been pissed about his role on the team. He was playing a lot!

    Is this sarcasm, Brian? Noel was averaging 15 minutes a game. He was probably hoping to split duties with Mitch.

  16. umm…why are we concluding Taj is washed? Last year he put up 13pts, 9rebs and a block per 36 on a TS% of .610. On a minimum deal, he seems like a damn good utility big. He can also relieve Randle for a few minutes a game if Knox and Obi flounder around out there.

    Taj is also a consummate pro and a NY guy. I’d way rather have him on the bench than the corpse of Tyson Chandler.

  17. I’d be bummed if Nerlens was upset about his role, but I wouldn’t waive him before shopping him for a while. He’s worth a 2nd at least.

  18. Z-man:
    umm…why are we concluding Taj is washed? Last year he put up 13pts, 9rebs and a block per 36 on a TS% of .610. On a minimum deal, he seems like a damn good utility big. He can also relieve Randle for a few minutes a game if Knox and Obi flounder around out there.

    Taj is also a consummate pro and a NY guy. I’d way rather have him on the bench than the corpse of Tyson Chandler.

    I’m with you. He played roughly the same amount of minutes (16.5) Noel has been playing so far (15.2) to the tune of a cromulent .120 WS/48.

  19. Fangraphs now projects the Mets for a .559 W% (90.6 wins)

    Barves in imaginary second place for now at .538 (87.2 wins)

    Can’t believe we got Carrasco with Lindor. What a trade. That gives Porter/Sandy all sorts of leverage now in the pitching market and negotiations with Springer.

  20. Ntilakilla:
    This is the timeline.

    – 2 to 3 days ago unverified rumor had Noel disgruntled with his role in NYC, doesn’t see eye to eye with Thibs and demanding a trade.

    – Noel comes down with an injury out of the blue the next day.

    – The Knicks FO then announces it will resign Taj Gibson to fill in as a backup center.

    – Noel then releases a statement about how he’s thrilled to be a Knick and the reports of him being disgruntled are just made up.

    Hmmmm…

    The source was some random guy on twitter who is a 76ers fan and likely wanted to troll a former 76ers player.

  21. Is this sarcasm, Brian? Noel was averaging 15 minutes a game. He was probably hoping to split duties with Mitch.

    It was five games! And the average is skewed by his foul trouble first game. He was at 18 and 17 minutes in his last two games. He averaged 18 minutes a game last year.

  22. Brian Cronin.He averaged 18 minutes a game last year.

    He probably wasn’t happy with playing 18 minutes a game last year either. It cost him in FA to the point that he was signing a one year 5 million dollar prove it deal with us. He probably wants to cash in on a bigger contract.

  23. It is pretty clear that Thibs loves Mitch. I think it’s possible that Noel came thinking he could supplant Mitch as the starter and now realizes that ain’t happening. That said, if he really wanted out you’d think he’d have come out and said he wasn’t injured if that was the truly the case.

  24. nicos:
    It is pretty clear that Thibs loves Mitch. I think it’s possible that Noel came thinking he could supplant Mitch as the starter and now realizes that ain’t happening. That said, if he really wanted out you’d think he’d have come out and said he wasn’t injured if that was the truly the case.

    Its easy to forget now that there wasn’t a guarantee that Mitch would be starting the season, especially with a pro-veteran coach like Thibs handling the roster. I really don’t think Noel expected to be playing second fiddle in Thibs’ rotation. And now what can Noel do? The Knicks can’t trade him and they can keep him indefinitely. So his best bet is to play out his contract.

  25. When you sign a 1yr/$5mill deal you have no right to expect anything. If he wanted commitment, he should have held on for a better deal.

    That said, he says he’s not unhappy, and I will believe him until he says otherwise.

  26. Great comments by Pop.

    I am so glad I have never bet sports because I would have lost a lot of money betting against the Nets tonight without KD and Kyrie. (and dinwiddie)

  27. OMG, this is too good to let die on the old thread.

    Raven:
    On a different note, this regarding the Lindor trade, about the Cleveland CEO:

    “Paul Dolan is the cousin of reviled Knicks and Rangers owner James Dolan. This trade doesn’t completely balance the family’s account with New York sports fans, but it’s a serious down payment.”

    Not even close. But I guess it’s a start.

    I’ve been trying to come up with a joke about a team owner named Dolan finally bringing me some happiness but nothing can be funnier than the two of them being related.

  28. Owen:
    Great comments by Pop.

    I am so glad I have never bet sports because I would have lost a lot of money betting against the Nets tonight without KD and Kyrie. (and dinwiddie)

    Well’ it takes a whole lot of energy to score 142 points the night before. The Sixers had nothing left.

  29. Goddamnit. I am not impressed with Denver outside of Jokic. Murray ain’t much more than a 3 point chucker.

    Wow! Jokic!

  30. All this Noel noise is bullshit. Man played well. He got injured. This is not a complete surprise and is supported by the historical record. Also, big game by Mitch means he starts. Big game by Noel means he starts. Just like how IQ playing well means he finishes the game, and getting burned on defense means Payton gets 42 minutes.

  31. Also, in case this was not clear, it’s not a repudiation of Noel to waive the out of shape Spellman and hire a third string 4/5. It’s a failure of the front office that this hadn’t happened before the Knicks played two games with Knox as the only front court backup. I guess maybe they believed in Spellman’s promise. News flash, weight don’t fall off the bone like good BBQ. Takes way more time.

  32. How did Brooklyn beat Philly without its two superstars?

    They have good depth and the Sixers had just played the night before. But really, the fact that they can win without KD and Irving is why they’re going to be so dangerous in the playoffs.

  33. I know this isn’t really the forum to speak on it..and it’s late because I had to gather myself- but I gotta get it off my chest.

    I have dealt with alot of pains in my life. Crack addicted mother who was in an out of jail for a while or disappearing 2, 3 days- sometimes even a week- at a time. Both parents passing from cancer to myself having 2 surgeries in 3 months in 2017 to remove cancer. I could list alot, but I’m not going to. I just wanna say that NEVER in my 43.8 years of living have I felt as heartbroken as I did watchin the fuckery at the Capitol building. It was terrorism and blatant disregard for righteousness on all levels incited by the current president. That should make anyone- white, black, red, yellow, purple- feel unsafe knowing that society has become numb to that level of bigotry and unreason. That is all.

    On to better news. I’m happy that Taj is back, but disappointed Spellman’s gone. I really wanted to see him get in shape so we can se what he can add. Having Taj as a depth piece should be a boon for Mitch, Noel, and Obi. I like the way Thibs is pushing this team. I just hope we can stay healthy

  34. I do not support the signing of Taj Gibson and the coach defaulting back to the old band.

  35. It’s a good signing.
    We don’t expect him to be a peak taj.
    We are thin at the center post
    And if our good coach want him, give it to him.
    It’s vet min Also

  36. I was pleasantly surprised when they declined Taj’s option. So picking him up at the minimum is perfectly acceptable.

  37. Totes – much respect for what you’ve gone through in your life. Agree completely about the DC domestic terrorist attack. You can’t help but think that if a motivated and organized terrorist group (whether foreign or domestic) wanted to, they could easily have put on some MAGA hats, gone in as a group of 10-15, and probably have killed most of Congress. I don’t know where the SCIFs are (where all the classified info is kept), but my guess is that easily could’ve been breached also in a situation like that. And articles are coming out about it, but the counterintelligence challenges are unthinkable – stolen laptops, possible video/audio recording devices planted, malware planted on computers, etc.

    It’s obvious Trump has to be removed from office and banned from ever running for public office again. But even more importantly, every last rioter/terrorist needs to be apprehended and put in jail. Whoever’s job it is to secure the Capitol building can’t just resign and walk away – that person has to be put in front of Congress and answer everything about why this was allowed to happen. Whoever’s job it is to decide on National Guard and other backup has to do the same. If it turns out this was an inside job (whether directly or indirectly), those people need to be thrown in jail too. I doubt that douchebags like Cruz and Hawley will ever have to give up their seat or face real justice, but no one should ever forget what they did.

  38. Re: Taj – I’m fine with it.
    My guess is Noel is not really fit to play right now with whatever is going on with him, and we have Jokic coming up. Much as Mitch has improved, I don’t think it is smart to play him 40 min/night – gonna get injured.
    And it feels like Spellman never really amounted to much – literally got zero playing time even with all the injuries. Must be sucking up the joint in practice.

  39. Taj’s signing is one the rare occurrences where the coach-player symbiosis actually works for every party involved. I totally dig it.

  40. Totes – Thanks for your words. I had a couple liberal friends call me in tears and one conservative friend too. It hit a lot of people in a lot of different ways. I am rarely the hopeful guy when it comes to the Knicks but I do sincerely hope this was the coda on a very dark era in American politics.

  41. The guy that started the Nerlens rumor was a nobody that had about 4k followers when it started. Nerlens immediately put him on blast and denied it twice. That’s what actually got the rumor out there more widely because Nerlens has a lot more followers.

    Nerlens has been a bit of a mal content at times. So it’s possible he’s disappointed he lost the starting job. But I doubt bringing in Taj is related to it or that Nerlens is faking an injury because he’s unhappy etc.

    We have a glut at guard and really only had Mitch/Nerlens as our Cs and Randle/Toppin as out PFs. Spellman was never a real NBA player and was out of shape. What the injuries made more apparent (it should have already been apparent) was that we needed someone that could play 3rd string PF/C in cased we lost any of those players. Well, we lost two and that made it more urgent. Taj is perfect.

  42. All the shitlibs calling for “tanks” and the “national guard” was really disturbing and gross. Of course this should of never happened. Thank goodness these Chuds have no street smarts or organizational skills or this could be been even uglier.

    But, everyone get ready for Patriot Act 2.0.

  43. If I were Noel I’d have a chip on my shoulder too. Dude has been a tough defender (allegedly valuable in the league) for years and keeps getting minimum offers. It’s not like he’s worth a whole lot more, but the NBA’s middle class generally gets offered more than it’s worth. You’d think that he would demand, and earn, some PT when he plays like he does. But yet again, a minimum and 15 MPG.

    I wonder if he knew much about Big Mitch when he signed here, though.

  44. Noel turned a bunch of money down when he had a lot of leverage and expected a lot of money when he didn’t. I hope he gets his payday in the end.

  45. Totes, thank you for your testimony. I’m truly impressed with your strength.

    Re the events, as horrific as they are, I’m taking the glass-half-full position. We were dying from a thousand cuts as a nation. That easily could have kept going. Instead, a single singularly contemptible act has shaken everyone. It physically scared the shit out of the politicians, meaning we’ll now have a relatively quiet and peaceful transition to something much better. It woke a lot of sleeping people up that these folks are loathsome, if not actual domestic terrorists. Plus, my favorite part, they all took selfies and posted them while committing a crime.

    Right-wing papers all over the south and midwest are calling this reprehensible and the people involved reprehensible (dare I say deplorable?). It’s not like we didn’t know that 40% of our country are outright racist loons. But now a big, fat light is shining on them. You can’t start to heal a wound without exposing the ugly mess to the light. And they turned the light onto themselves.

    Call me foolish, call me a pollyanna. But I’m surely enjoying me some comeuppance right now. Which seems to be about half the stories in the press. Couldn’t happen to a more deserving crowd.

  46. “Plus, my favorite part, they all took selfies and posted them while committing a crime.”

    But I still can’t find any horned bison fur hat for sale anywhere

  47. Owen: Noel turned a bunch of money down when he had a lot of leverage and expected a lot of money when he didn’t. I hope he gets his payday in the end.

    I’m sure he never got over that.

    His “master plan” was probably to start for NY for a year and turn that into the big payday, but that was short circuited when he found himself back on the bench. He’s not going to turn that into a big payday.

    I loved the signing and think he’s a terrific backup, but there’s another way to think about this. If he’s unhappy and wants a trade, imo he’s going to be fairly easy to move at his price and we’ll get back something else we need. That’s the difference between Mills/Perry and Rose, All these more veteran and other guys we signed to short term deals are on good contracts and can be used to accumulate other assets, rolled up into a better player, etc… This time we are doing it right. We are a little better, a little more attractive, and still have the flexibility to get even better if the right deal comes along.

  48. Noel’s has had a perplexing career. Drafted by Hinkie, played well and developed nicely, then jettisoned while he was young and productive for basically nothing in favor of Okafor, who sucked his way out of the league completely within a matter of months. Turned down $70,000,000 contract from Cuban. Plays well. Gets no other offers. Agrees to $4,000,000 contract with Cuban. Plays well, but sees his minutes decline. Goes to OKC and plays for peanuts. Plays well, but sees his minutes decline. Goes to NY for peanuts. Plays well in preseason. Loses starting spot anyway. Sprains his ankle halfway through a game he’s not even playing in. Denies rumors that everything isn’t fine.

  49. fortuitous bounce: All the shitlibs calling for “tanks” and the “national guard” was really disturbing and gross. Of course this should of never happened. Thank goodness these Chuds have no street smarts or organizational skills or this could be been even uglier.

    But, everyone get ready for Patriot Act 2.0.

    I don’t think we need tanks or a Patriot Act 2. They already know everything about everyone. lol

    The protest rally was widely publicized for weeks. It was a monumental blunder of gargantuan and epic proportions to not have the security required to protect the capital when passions are extremely high and the gathering was almost guaranteed to contain x% that were complete lunatics.

    How many episodes of looting, rioting, attacks on innocent people, burned down buildings, smashed public properties. little cities within cities, confrontations between neo nazis and antifa, neo nazi marches through cities, and now attacks on government do we have to see before we realize that x% of the populations has been whipped up into a frenzy (with the help of media I might add) and is bat shit fvcking crazy.

    There are problems to fix, but they never get fixed with violence and they don’t get fixed when you demonize all law enforcement or the other side broadly. You fix the law enforcement first, hold the media accountable for spins and lies that raise passions on either side, and try to go back to the times of my youth when democrats and republicans argued tax rates, immigration, how best to help the poor, and how best to deal with the communist threat. They sat in a room, compromised & then went out for drinks together. Now we home grow communists and nazis and both sides think the other is evil. Not true. A small % of the people are nuts but most want a less corrupt & more honest government and media fixing problems.

  50. One of the weirdest points about the contract being turned down is that Rich Paul allegedly leaked disinformation that Noel was never actually offered $17M AAV, to protect his agency’s reputation. Not the case. Question is who was responsible for the turning down of the offer. Was it Paul saying that he should hold out for a max? Was it Noel?

    It’d be one thing if he missed out on a huge payday but ended up with, like, 4/$40M. He’s currently on what would have been the final year of his contract. He’s made $13M in total. Those are years he will never get back, so he’s down $57M in career earnings. He’s a rich man, and at that point, it’s just a question of how many houses, boats, cars and designer labels you have, but hell, making $27M instead of $84M would make me pretty goddamn unhappy when all it would have taken was a stroke of the pen.

    I’m reading Kochland by Christopher Leonard and it details the acrimonious divorce of Bill Koch from the company in the 80s and 90s. Bill Koch made a power move on Charles and lost (have to wonder if Succession writers used the story for inspiration) and got paid out something like $300M for his stake in the company. Now worth $1.5B. His brother, Charles, one of the worst people in the history of the United States, is now worth $45B. I also wonder how that feels. (Also, 100% fuck the Kochs.)

  51. You fix the law enforcement first

    Just slap some duct tape on that thing! Good to go!

  52. Strat, this is going to get embarrassing for you. You should probably drop it.

  53. After this bizzare year when you think you seen it all, to see something like this invasion/revolution came as quite a shock not only to me but have to say to literally everyone in my country(Trump Stans included who stand at about 30% of population).
    What Trump did was similar to what Milosevic tried to do with his so called meetings of truth in late 1980s. He wanted to bring hundreds of thousend truth breaters from Serbia to a meeting infront of our congress to bring us the light and understanding.
    He was stoped effotlessly by our polititians and feeble police force and meetings later only took place within Serbia.
    That Trump mob wasn’t stoped is as Frank said a total inside job.

    And BTW…when Swift told us about his great news two weeks I was still shaken up from of an earthqauke that hit Croatia with epicenter some 150km to the south from me. First time in my 45 years I felt It and heard the ground whispering…scary.
    It looks like 2020 is still dragging on.

    But the Knicks man…wow!!!This team is so easy to root for.

  54. “go back to the times of my youth when…”

    Doesn’t get much more white privilege than that. What agreements did they make in those rooms again?

    Unfortunately we now know that not only does Strat not think hard about our responses, he doesn’t even read them.

  55. I’ve never been to an OTB parlor. Is this what all the regulars are like? Just like, intransigent, arrogant, solipsistic, incorrigibly misinformed?

  56. My favorite insurrection clip is of the woman from Knoxville who’s all pissed off that she got maced after breaking into the Capitol Building. The reporter asks her why did you go in and her answer is “because we’re storming the Capitol, it’s a revolution!”

  57. Right there in the running is they guy who wore his work badge while in the act of committing a felony.

    I mean you can’t make this stuff up.

  58. Thanks for the kind words folks…you guys are dope

    But..I did forget one other good thing, and it’s not Knicks related..

    HOW ABOUT THAT AWESOME TRADE THE METS PULLED OFF?? Even though we didn’t have to part with any of our top 7 prospects, I would have rather hung on to Gimenez. Coulda swapped him for Davis in the trade and have Smith as the full time LF. We know what Gimenez is, but it’s still great that we were able to hang on to Mauricio- probably projects to be a third baseman now. But man! What a steal!

    Anyways..I don’t what’s up with Noel. He’s clearly talented enough to play starters minutes, but he’s still stuck in 20 minutes mode. How has he not been able to take advantage of Thibs and co’s tutelage the way Mitch has? Wasn’t he the original Mitch? Still great we have him as a backup though

  59. Thinking about Noel, I would be totally cool with us locking him up for 3 or 4 years as our back up big. In fact, I think it would be wise for the Knicks to lock up Mitch and Noel right now. Tell Noel…look Mitch is our starting Center for the foreseeable future but we want you to be a part of what we got going on here and you would be an incredible back up for Mitch and you’ll get consistent minutes every game and will start when Mitch is hurt. And then offer him like a 4 year deal at $6 million a year.

    After the disaster of missing out on that big contract, he might take it and like having the security. He’s a great back up big and knowing that we’ve secured our C spot for the next 5 years and will have good rim protection all game…I think it would be a good move for us.

  60. I don’t like to see people be taken advantage of. At the same time it’s been fascinating to watch in real time via Twitter, FB, etc. as MAGA-Heads slowly come to realize there was no plan, was no Q, and all of their energy was used to buttress a fascistic megalomaniac who gave a $1.9 Trillion sloppy kiss tax cut to his billionaire cronies.

  61. Trump’s autogolpe was a real sickening display of how the powerful can do what they want without any major repercussion. Even though it wasn’t a serious attempt at a coup, he certainly wanted to intimidate Congress and show how far he can embolden and empower his stormtroopers to terrorize his political enemies with the help of police. An officer and several of the insurrectionists are dead and not a person involved in orchestrating the event at the highest level will ever seen on day of prison for this act of terrorism.

    With that said, I really hope we don’t expand the powers of our security state as a reaction to what happened on the 6th of January. If the Capitol Hill police did their job and the DC National Guard were allowed to mobilize this mess would never have gotten out of hand. Sadly, these institutions serve right-wing power.

    I do, however, find a perverse humor in the sobering reality of what went down. For years after watching countless action movies like White House Down and Olympus Has Fallen were told that a well-trained and organized group of high level terrorist operators was needed to assault our greatest national spaces. But, in truth, all it took was a few donut eating cops to look the other way as a gang of fat, middle aged Chuds stormed Capitol Hill.

  62. Totes McGoats as Totes McGoats:

    HOW ABOUT THAT AWESOME TRADE THE METS PULLED OFF?? Even though we didn’t have to part with any of our top 7 prospects,I would have rather hung on to Gimenez. Coulda swapped him for Davis in the trade and have Smith as the full time LF. We know what Gimenez is, but it’s still great that we were able to hang on to Mauricio- probably projects to be a third baseman now. But man! What a steal!

    The real lowkey part of that trade which puts it into A grade territory as far as I am concerned is the fact that we got Carrasco 2 years plus an option of very reasonable contract. Just look at how he compares to the top pitchers in this FA class according to the Steamer projections:

    Francisco Lindor is getting the majority of the press, and rightfully so.But Carlos Carrasco is an enormous acquisition. He comes on a bargain of a contract at 3 years $38 million, and projects favorably compared to the available free agents (including Trevor Bauer) in 2021: pic.twitter.com/QXGKx9iH8C— Mets Analytics (@MetsAnalytics) January 8, 2021

  63. The Honorable Cock Jowles:
    I’ve never been to an OTB parlor. Is this what all the regulars are like? Just like, intransigent, arrogant, solipsistic, incorrigibly misinformed?

    that’s funny…i remember as a kid when my grandfather would take me to go shopping up in the Bronx and we would walk by the OTB…even as a 7 or 8 yr old…I would get a real strange vibe looking in at the sad sacks in those parlors…i think the description is probably accurate…

  64. “Can we talk Knicks please?” -Deeeeefense, January 6th, 2021.

    It was such an odd plea, considering that in all the posts leading up to it and all the posts that have followed it, he has taken every opportunity presented to him to re-state his world view, his prescription remedies for society, his “first-hand” diagnoses of onset dementia, and his disdain for the news media. (I guess he skips over his own posts too).

  65. The phenomenon I’m loving the most in these trying times is the development of right wing social media, because it means I can browse it for a while, delete every single person I’ve ever seen there from my life, and never have to waste another minute thinking about acquaintances being secretly fascists or anything like that.

    And while I’m 100% sympathetic with you guys and the percentage of really cool people from the US that never deserved to see this bullshit happening right before their eyes, it is a mix of schadenfraude and brotherly sympathy to me. After so many US governments directly influenced countries like mine to have coups and have always exercised power to do so, now the large percentage of the population who never gave a shit about this knows what it is to live in a “banana republic” where democratic institutions are never safe. You’re one of us now.

  66. fortuitous bounce:
    Yeah, I love the Carrasco pick up.

    You know, it might not be a bad idea for Sandy and Porter to go platoon with CF and sign Jackie Bradley Jr and Marisnick to sure up centerfield with GG caliber defense now that the lineup is stacked. It would allow us to move Nimmo to LF, where he can project to be a 4-5 WAR player and help our staff out monumentally. Springer is a nice get but he’s 30-31 and won’t be able to man CF at average or better quality for more than 2 years. If he wants to be intransigent about signing for around 200 million he can kick rocks.

  67. Donnie Walsh:
    “Can we talk Knicks please?” -Deeeeefense, January 6th, 2021.

    It was such an odd plea, considering that in all the posts leading up to it and all the posts that have followed it, he has taken every opportunity presented to him to re-state his world view, his prescription remedies for society, his “first-hand” diagnoses of onset dementia, and his disdain for the news media. (I guess he skips over his own posts too).

    It makes sense once you remember he thinks we (and the rest of the country) all have brain damage, so he’s probably betting that it slips our minds as we stumble about.

  68. After so many US governments directly influenced countries like mine to have coups and have always exercised power to do so, now the large percentage of the population who never gave a shit about this knows what it is to live in a “banana republic” where democratic institutions are never safe. You’re one of us now.

    Well, you know that’s the joke among Latin Americanists right now. That the United States, unable to export its regime change due to Covid quarantine, decided to keep it domestic.

  69. Bruno Almeida: After so many US governments directly influenced countries like mine to have coups and have always exercised power to do so, now the large percentage of the population who never gave a shit about this knows what it is to live in a “banana republic” where democratic institutions are never safe. You’re one of us now.

    You might appreciate this.

  70. To be fair to Strat, I was also very worried when “Antifa” broke into federal and local government buildings while armed, tried to find legislators to stop them from certifying an election, and killed a police officer plus four others to boot.

    Both sides, folks!

  71. Yeah, there is a small sense of enjoyment about this, I’m not gonna lie. Of course I’m much more sympathetic than I am satisfied, because in the end what matter is that democratic institutions dying is worse for all of us. But, nevertheless, the US will be fine.

  72. One joke going around South America today is that the US coup failed because there was no US Embassy in Washington DC providing logistical support.— BrianMier (@BrianMteleSUR) January 7, 2021

  73. thenoblefacehumper:
    To be fair to Strat, I was also very worried when “Antifa” broke into federal and local government buildings while armed, tried to find legislators to stop them from certifying an election, and killed a police officer plus four others to boot.

    Both sides, folks!

    I was told by a MAGA Chud that BLM protestors burning down a police station in Minneapolis was the same thing.

  74. I’ve never been to an OTB parlor. Is this what all the regulars are like? Just like, intransigent, arrogant, solipsistic, incorrigibly misinformed?

    I always imagined Strat as Marcus Becker (Kevin Dunn) from HBO’s ‘Luck’. A cranky, incorrigible railbird.

  75. And while I’m 100% sympathetic with you guys and the percentage of really cool people from the US that never deserved to see this bullshit happening right before their eyes, it is a mix of schadenfraude and brotherly sympathy to me. After so many US governments directly influenced countries like mine to have coups and have always exercised power to do so, now the large percentage of the population who never gave a shit about this knows what it is to live in a “banana republic” where democratic institutions are never safe. You’re one of us now.

    A (paraphrased) joke I saw trending in some circles: “well of course the coup failed, there was no US embassy there to support it!”

    Edit: Ntilikilla beat me to the punch

  76. Totes, thanks for sharing, you’re a tough dude.

    I’m okay with signing Taj, it’s for the minimum, he’s a pro, a newyorker, love Thibs, when Toppin and Noel come back he’ll not be asked to play too much. Spellman blew his chance, sorry for him, maybe he’ll going to learn the lesseon.

    On the failed uprising…
    We have a lot of examples in history of what a violent and armed minority going on a rampage to overturn the law could do if not stopped cold in his tracks, and Slovene Knicks just gave us a recent one.
    We need to stop thinking that a madman like Trump is going to “naturally stop” and become a moderate, rational political figure.
    Appeasement had always played in favor of who is willing to use hate and violence trying to shape the world according to his will.
    He always appealed to the lowest instincts of the society, the racists, the nazis, the bigoted and in too many places this was seen only as colorful and harmless, a return to the old, solid roots of America.
    It was not. It is not.

    Many of the rioters have been identified, they must be punished swiftly and painfully.
    The mad man must be demoted and put in jail for inciting a rebellion.

    With all the flaws, the world still need the United States to be a light of democracy, a country where this kind of things have no place.

    P.S. To prevent predictable objections, though I agree in principles with their views, I strongly dislike the “Cancel History” rabble and the “extreme” politically correct mob, but I still think they’re not the in the same park as the Trump’s Army.

  77. Since our game in Atlanta, Trae Young has raised to number two in my personal list of despised players, trailing only Harden.

  78. vincoug: Did you tell them that it was actually more right wing terrorists, “boogaloo bois” from 4chan, that burned down the police station: https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/boogaloo-bois-member-charged-attack-minneapolis-police-building/story?id=73789955

    And that one of them had previous murdered a cop?

    I did not. This is good to know. But that article also says Hunter, Solomon and Teeter were part of the looting and arson on the precinct building and that they were claiming to help the community as they fired upon people calling for justice for George Floyd.

  79. by the way – if anyone wants a good twitter follow re: X’s and O’s, I highly suggest Steve Jones @stevejones20

    he’s been paying more attention to the Knicks lately, always has interesting things on film. from his twitter bio I guess he was an asst coach with the nets and grizzlies previously

    Here’s one sample where he describes how the Knicks defended the Jazz Spain PNR

  80. Strat, this is going to get embarrassing for you. You should probably drop it.

    Shush! I find it super entertaining. Is a little weird that we’ve seen more of Strat’s ass than anyone he’s slept with has but hey, price of admission.

  81. Ntilakilla: I did not. This is good to know. But that article also saysHunter, Solomon and Teeter were part of the looting and arson on the precinct building and that they were claiming to help the community as they fired upon people calling for justice for George Floyd.

    Yeah, that’s kind of what you do when you’re looking to hide your bad actions amongst a larger group.

  82. Go get this man, Knicks. (John Collins, I mean, not Ntilakilla — unless he can play the stretch 4 like John Collins.)

    Pass. Collins wants a rookie max extension, and while he’s great on offense, he’s a huge defensive liability. Collins is who we’re hoping Obi can turn out to be, but Obi’s also going to be much cheaper for a while. And there’s also the matter of him playing the same position as the guy who at the moment is our best player. If we’re going to trade for someone who is or is about to be expensive, much better to do it with a guard or a wing than another big.

  83. I’ve been thinking a lot about the “both sides” argument.

    As a “moderate liberal” I try to be open minded to critiques of the left. I do think we have extremists on the left. I don’t like everything about cancel culture. I do think rural america has largely been ignored by the democratic party and left behind in the global economy. And I do think some on the left are too absolutist in their ideals and unwilling to compromise or see nuance.

    I have super liberal friends who say stuff like “Mitt Romney is a horrible racist piece of shit” and I’m thinking…really? If you live outside of super liberal bubbles like NYC, LA, Portland, etc…you come to realize that a lot of America, even Democrats in middle America are not as liberal and I’d much rather deal with moderate Republicans like Romney or the late John McCain or Sasse in my adopted state of Nebraska than Trump or McConnell or Graham. Part of governing is learning to accept what you are willing to compromise so you can work with the reasonable people on the other side of the aisle.

    ALL OF THAT BEING SAID, the extremists on the right are worse than the extremists on the left. The Republican party hasn’t ignored rural America. They’ve sold them a bill of lies the last 40 years and told them all of their problems were because of POC, gays, etc…instead of being honest with them about changing demographics and helping them prepare for the global economy.

    They’ve told them coal jobs are coming back, that global warming is a democratic hoax, that illegals are stealing their jobs, that the left hates Christianity, etc. Trump is just the end game of 40 yrs of doing that. They’ve painted themselves into an corner where compromising with the other side is seen as weakness. And Dems give up too much power before they even come to the table.

    My hope is that the events this week are a wake up call to the majority of the country that falls somewhere between moderately liberal and moderately…

  84. E, two-way G-Leaguer: Go get this man, Knicks.(John Collins, I mean, not Ntilakilla — unless he can play the stretch 4 like John Collins.)

    I’m practicing my one-legged Dirk fadeaway right now!

  85. Frank: I doubt that douchebags like Cruz and Hawley will ever have to give up their seat or face real justice

    But that’s the pressing problem, I think. In some ways we’re lucky that this time the challenge to democracy was from our crapulous brat of a president, sloshed with a giddy nihilism, flinging every tactic and falsehood he could think of to subvert constitutional checks on his power like a monkey flings poo from atop his gold toilet. It still came close to going differently. Some who’ve echoed his lies till Wed didn’t line up as he’d hoped – just as election officials in several states didn’t cave to his pressure a few days ago. But what’s really scary is how far this got when the guy doing the scheming was as subtle and deft as a drunken rodeo clown with a shotgun running around setting things on fire.
    The problem is structural. His campaign of lies to get people riled up was a sustained group effort. Trump, Barr, Giuliani, Cruz and Hawley, and pundits who profit from movement conservative narratives, all knowingly sold a pack of lies about the election and the justifying “rush the cockpit” urgency of stopping the threat from the radical left. Biden being inconveniently moderate, they made up or amplified laughable nonsense and kept on selling. The structural problem is the growing market for crazy. Hawley or some other less laughable schemer will inherit and nurture that market and ride it further next time.
    Liers who run that market now have to be held to account and those people who’ve been mislead into buying crazy have to be coaxed back to earth. Not sure how to do either. But I fear this is just round 1 if we don’t.

    … and I’m good with getting Taj at the minimum.

  86. Since our game in Atlanta, Trae Young has raised to number two in my personal list of despised players, trailing only Harden.

    It’s like people forgot that Grayson Allen exists.

  87. d-mar:
    My favorite insurrection clip is of the woman from Knoxville who’s all pissed off that she got maced after breaking into the Capitol Building. The reporter asks her why did you go in and her answer is “because we’re storming the Capitol, it’s a revolution!”

    She’s been getting a lot of play here in Knoxville, and not all of it criticism…

  88. TheClashFan: She’s been getting a lot of play here in Knoxville, and not all of it criticism…

    I’d love to see the Venn diagram of those who agree with her and those who think the Confederacy was fighting a Second American Revolution during the U.S. Civil War. Something tells me there’d be lots of overlap.

  89. “It’s like people forgot that Grayson Allen exists.”

    Kudos — that got a laugh.

    I like Trae. I really don’t want him on my team, he’s an unconscious chucker and plays zero defense, but anyone with a shot that pretty can play in my league. And I don’t see him as a little Harden — he has that “whee!” feeling that Steph has in terms of how he plays the game, as compared to the glum, glowering visage that Harden drags around the floor like an anchor. They both do the ‘foul’ thing, but so does Quickley, and I love it on him.

  90. Ntilakilla: I’d love to see the Venn diagram of those who agree with her and those who think the Confederacy was fighting a Second American Revolution during the U.S. Civil War. Something tells me there’d be lots of overlap.

    Actually, East TN was pro Union during the Civil War, and Lincoln wanted Knoxville liberated from Confederate control ASAP, etc. So, the area became very pro Republican at the time and has remained that way until today. Weirdly, though, we have a relatively “liberal” woman mayor, and she follows a previous mayor who was also pretty much a liberal woman.

    When you get just outside Knoxville, though, you start seeing the Confederate flags, Trump signs in yards and on cars, etc.

    It could be worse. I have an old high school friend who now lives in Texas who is seriously calling for Texas to secede and install Trump as president. And, he’s a USAF veteran too. I wish I was making this up.

  91. Atlanta’s got the 5th best ORtg and SRS right now, yeah? And Collins takes 21.1 FGA/100 to Young’s 24.0 figure (less the extra 10 FTA that Young takes every 100 poss.)?

    Weird time to be complaining. And they lost to Charlotte by 8, and yeah, Young played like shit, but what about Reddish scoring 8 points on 15 shots and 2 FTA? Maybe that’s a problem, too. Or DeAndre Hunter’s anemic 6-15 performance. Ain’t all Young.

  92. Moderate liberal, grew up in an industrial Midwestern state where the kind of guys who stormed the Capitol used to be able to easily get really good jobs at really good wages. I saw it with my own eyes and heard it with my own ears. Average schmoes. We pissed those jobs away. Maybe it was inevitable and it’s obviously a very thorny question. I’m not entirely sure why we would have swapped out their jobs for some sort of government responsibility to “get them ready for the global economy.” An industrial policy something like the Wall Street bailouts might have been in order.

    I moved to DC and then NYC because they were more diverse and culturally sophisticated places as soon as I got out of school so I certainly don’t have a majorly organic relationship to home. Call it something like a “detached attachment.” But my formative experiences were certainly strong enough to enable me to know when I’m hearing leftist claptrap — and it’s often heard. Having seen its opposite, I’m also not a fan of the geographically sorted, demographically sorted country we’ve become — although again, I sorted myself at the very first opportunity so there’s arguably some hypocrisy there.

  93. looks like OKC is favored tonight…i guess the odds makers still aren’t buying in to our recent success…heck, i’m watching the games and i’m a little skeptical myself…

  94. TheClashFan: It could be worse. I have an old high school friend who now lives in Texas who is seriously calling for Texas to secede and install Trump as president. And, he’s a USAF veteran too. I wish I was making this up.

      

    We should expect secesh movements to accelerate from here. The country in many ways doesn’t work anymore; it’s really two countries. The argument that we’re more culturally divided now than on the eve of the Civil War has a lot to commend it.

  95. E, two-way G-Leaguer:
    Moderate liberal, grew up in an industrial Midwestern state where the kind of guys who stormed the Capitol used to be able to easily get really good jobs at really good wages. I saw it with my own eyes and heard it with my own ears.Average schmoes.We pissed those jobs away. Maybe it was inevitable and it’s obviously a very thorny question.I’m not entirely sure why we would have swapped out their jobs for some sort of government responsibility to “get them ready for the global economy.”An industrial policy something like the Wall Street bailouts might have been in order.

    I moved to DC and then NYC because they were more diverse and culturally sophisticated places as soon as I got out of school so I certainly don’t have a majorly organic relationship to home.Call it something like a “detached attachment.”But my formative experiences were certainly strong enough to enable me to know when I’m hearing leftist claptrap — and it’s often heard.Having seen its opposite, I’m also not a fan of the geographically sorted, demographically sorted country we’ve become — although again, I sorted myself at the very first opportunity so there’s arguably some hypocrisy there.

    Before the free trade agreements of the 90s and later those jobs were either having their pay totally slashed or disappearing outright due to the rightwing attacks on the working class, middle class, and labor under Nixon and Reagan. And even without the free trade agreements those jobs would be gone today anyway due to automation. We haven’t done anything to help those communities because one side believes that the only things the government should do is hurting brown/LGBTQ/non-Christian people and generating money for the rich.

  96. I’d pay Collins before I paid Randle. Three years younger, way more efficient, way more modern, overall more easy to ultimately win big with. Just a far better fit with the modern NBA. Randle is no great shakes defensively either.

    Commence whatever bile-flinging and tomato-heaving there is to commence lol.

  97. oh yeah, watched an “interesting” western last night: the sisters brothers

    a bit of an odd flick, some interesting dialogue and great acting though…

    been thinking about it, seems like we are due for a cooking thread soon…

    whomever described recent political US history as suffering a thousand cuts, nailed it…that’s exactly how things have felt…that capitol crap was a knife to the gut…things though could have gone sooooooo much worse than that, thankfully they did not…

    most likely it’s bought us a few months respite to focus on the virus…i would imagine by this summer whatever form the tea party/trumpism takes after january 20 will be back in force…

  98. Grocer: It’s like people forgot that Grayson Allen exists.

    Raven:
    “It’s like people forgot that Grayson Allen exists.”

    Kudos — that got a laugh.

    I like Trae. I really don’t want him on my team, he’s an unconscious chucker and plays zero defense, but anyone with a shot that pretty can play in my league. And I don’t see him as a little Harden — he has that “whee!” feeling that Steph has in terms of how he plays the game, as compared to the glum, glowering visage that Harden drags around the floor like an anchor. They both do the ‘foul’ thing, but so does Quickley, and I love it on him.

    Funny line on Grayson Allen, but if you spend your life tripping people at risk of injuring them you’re a piece of shit as a human being, not as a player and I was referring to their style of play.

    Young’s way of cheating the system is different from Harden and Quickley, it’s not only on the shooting motion, it’s on the scren settings too.
    Referees will come to term with it (they’re already, look at the Rivers’ steal).
    I could only pout that he didn’t play before the hand check was outlawed, that would’ve been fun… :-)

  99. Before the free trade agreements of the 90s and later those jobs were either having their pay totally slashed or disappearing outright due to the rightwing attacks on the working class, middle class, and labor under Nixon and Reagan. And even without the free trade agreements those jobs would be gone today anyway due to automation. We haven’t done anything to help those communities because one side believes that the only things the government should do is hurting brown/LGBTQ/non-Christian people and generating money for the rich.

    This is the long and short of it. There’s a lot to criticize about free trade agreements, and I’ve engaged in such criticism myself. What left us uniquely susceptible to their human consequences, though, is the fact that we’ve gutted our welfare state and have made no effort to bolster working-class jobs not subject to free trade agreements, from both a dignity and wage perspective (and of course, the two are related).

    If you really wanted to restore the American middle class, reforming free trade agreements would be somewhere on the list of things to do but it wouldn’t be particularly high. Free trade reform without other structural reforms to the American economy wouldn’t do a whole lot outside of certain very specific sectors, which is why some right-wing politicians now feel free to call for it–on its own it does not fundamentally challenge power.

  100. I’d pay Collins before I paid Randle. Three years younger, way more efficient, way more modern, overall more easy to ultimately win big with. Just a far better fit with the modern NBA. Randle is no great shakes defensively either.

    Commence whatever bile-flinging and tomato-heaving there is to commence lol.

    I mean I think most people would agree? The question is whether or not paying Collins is a good idea in a vacuum, and the answer is probably no unless we’re ready to throw the cards in on Obi Toppin 24 minutes into his NBA career.

    Regardless I think Atlanta works it out with him in the end.

  101. geo:
    looks like OKC is favored tonight…i guess the odds makers still aren’t buying in to our recent success…heck, i’m watching the games and i’m a little skeptical myself…

    Really? Which odd makers?

    ESPN had us as favorite by 2, Against The Spread says that the opening line was us by 3,5 and now declined to 2,5 and the websites where I bet are in line with this (I never bet on the Knicks).

    Usually line changes when something important his announced (an injury, Irving’s personal reasons…), maybe someone knows something?

  102. looks like OKC is favored tonight…i guess the odds makers still aren’t buying in to our recent success

    nah we are 2 or 3 pt favs

  103. Moderate liberal, grew up in an industrial Midwestern state where the kind of guys who stormed the Capitol used to be able to easily get really good jobs at really good wages.

    Is there any proof that the die hard Trump supporters are these unemployed blue colored workers? I always thought his base skewed to older small business owners who are self-employed Boomers without college educations making good money as car salesmen, restaurant owners, and building contractors in rural America. The average unemployed working class voter doesn’t vote and the few who did vote for Trump switched to Biden by 2020.

  104. Actually, East TN was pro Union during the Civil War, and Lincoln wanted Knoxville liberated from Confederate control ASAP, etc. So, the area became very pro Republican at the time and has remained that way until today. Weirdly, though, we have a relatively “liberal” woman mayor, and she follows a previous mayor who was also pretty much a liberal woman.

    So Southern liberals in the Knoxville area agreeing with this woman’s call for revolution? Or are the people who agree the ones who didn’t vote for your mayor?

  105. I wouldn’t especially mind a Randle change trade for Collins since he already is what we hope Obi would be and is probably a better fit with Mitch than Randle since he’s a better shooter, while Randle would add things to Atlanta they don’t have and they have the shooting to give him proper spacing. However, I have little to no faith in Obi ever being as good as Collins is now so that kind of colors my perspective (and it’s not based on his NBA playing time, I never wanted to draft him to begin with). Conversely, if you believe in Obi panning out, it would be a rather pointless move since you would be better off to fetch something at a different position of need or a pick, so I get that angle.

    (Again, I’m not advocating for a Collins trade, just stating why I wouldn’t mind it. We are probably better served keeping the powder dry with Randle.)

  106. thenoblefacehumper: I mean I think most people would agree? The question is whether or not paying Collins is a good idea in a vacuum, and the answer is probably no unless we’re ready to throw the cards in on Obi Toppin 24 minutes into his NBA career.

    Regardless I think Atlanta works it out with him in the end.

    I’m not entirely sure there’s board consensus on Collins v. Randle but the drafting of Toppin is a sunk cost at this point and the Knicks aren’t even close to ready to start worrying about positions when accumulating new assets. Obi still has trade value, or can be a backup, or play together with Collins if need be.

  107. If Collins can’t play with Trae, there isn’t a chance in holy hell that Randle will want to, so the chances of a trade are pretty small.

  108. oops my bad, I don’t know what the heck I was looking at earlier, maybe it was just some probability win thing on espn…

  109. I know conservatives like to make fun of the green new deal but in my opinion we really do need some sort of new deal for this country. A twenty year plan. Something both parties can agree upon and stick with regardless of who is in power. It needs to include:

    An immediate rise in the federal minimum wage. I’d bump it up a few dollars immediately and then continue to raise it 50 cents a year until it gets to $15/hr. Then tie it to the rise in inflation so its not something that has to be debated but just rises naturally with inflation.

    Raise taxes on the top 10 percent earners and especially on the one percent. A progressive tax plan that makes the wealthy pay far more into the system. Use this tax money too….

    Shore up social security and other social safety net programs.

    Give tax incentives to the middle and lower classes to save and invest their earnings.

    Pay for medicare for all so that everyone has insurance and doesn’t get hit with hospital bills that can bankrupt them. We had our daughter covered on my wife’s insurance so those 10 days in the hospital only cost us a little over a thousand dollars. But if we didn’t have that, it would have been almost 200K in medical bills. If we had gotten that on top of losing our daughter, it would have destroyed us financially and emotionally. So many people end up owing hundreds of thousands of dollars at the exact moment in their life when they are least able to pay it back and never recover from it. Our private system also costs corporate America a ton of money cause they have to cover part of hte insurance cost for their employees. Medicare for all would have problems, no doubt, but there would be so many benefits to it.

    A huge investment in education at all levels. And a huge investment in infrastructure, not just roads and bridges but energy grids, internet access, public transportation, etc.

    None of this would be politically easy to achieve but the desire for it from a lot of people is…

  110. swiftandabundant:
    I know conservatives like to make fun of the green new deal but in my opinion we really do need some sort of new deal for this country. A twenty year plan. Something both parties can agree upon and stick with regardless of who is in power.It needs to include:

    Totally agree. And its not like we don’t need it either. Our national infrastructure is dilapidated and crumbling as we haven’t had a major national public works program since Eisenhower built our highway system in the 1950s. I think the National Society of Engineers gave our infrastructure — from roads, to bridges, to damns, to energy grids, and ports — a D grade in their last assessment.

  111. OMG! What a coincidence?!? Noel got healthy just in time for Taj not to take his job away.

    Nerlens Noel (sprained left ankle and sore left knee) has been upgraded to probable and Taj Gibson is not with the team for tonight’s game against OKC.— NY_KnicksPR (@NY_KnicksPR) January 8, 2021

    Isn’t this odd? Noel got injured out of nowhere and now he’s healthy real fast the moment his replacement was signed!

  112. Frank:
    Totes – much respect for what you’ve gone through in your life. Agree completely about the DC domestic terrorist attack. You can’t help but think that if a motivated and organized terrorist group (whether foreign or domestic) wanted to, they could easily have put on some MAGA hats, gone in as a group of 10-15, and probably have killed most of Congress. I don’t know where the SCIFs are (where all the classified info is kept), but my guess is that easily could’ve been breached also in a situation like that.And articles are coming out about it, but the counterintelligence challenges are unthinkable – stolen laptops, possible video/audio recording devices planted, malware planted on computers, etc.

    Much respect to you, Totes. Somewhat related: When I was in HS, my mom brought my two-week old cousin home from the hospital b/c her mom (my mother’s niece) was still on drugs and signed herself out AMA, abandoning the baby. My mom raised my cousin, who are all call our lil sister. Please keep up your fight and story.

    Nothing less than impeachment, removal and criminal prosecution for Trump.

    Swift – I’m down for all of that. It’s the direction the country needs to go.

    I also think back to when I first got to Syracuse in ’03 to begin grad school. Got to talk to this one guest of (I believe) Dr Rick Wright’s radio show about the decaying economic state of Syracuse (rust belt city losing factory jobs – yall know the deal) – asked him what’s the solution. He said “entrepreneurship”. So I would add that and financial education to be introduced en masse, because it can be a great equalizer in places where the quality of public school education, along with the percentage of college grads, is low.

  113. The average unemployed working class voter doesn’t vote and the few who did vote for Trump switched to Biden by 2020.

    The average unemployed working class voter USUALLY doesn’t vote, but Donald Trump’s special secret sauce was that he got low-propensity voters, many of whom are these disenchanted and disengaged low-income or no-income working class white people to turn out and vote for him.

    It’s how he managed to confound the polls twice– polls don’t catch these low-propensity voters, and they are reluctant to talk to pollsters or participate in the system in any way, other than voting for that asshole. When he’s not on the ticket, they vanish back into the ether.

    In November, Will Perdue beat Jon Ossoff by 80,000 votes. In January, Ossoff beat Perdue by 30,000. If Trump’s on the ticket, the low-propensity voters will show up and vote straight R. If he’s not on the ticket they’re not really engaged and they stay home.

  114. I hate that this shit is going on when I should be enjoying my Knicks being 5-3 a lot more.

    Liers who run that market now have to be held to account and those people who’ve been mislead into buying crazy have to be coaxed back to earth. Not sure how to do either. But I fear this is just round 1 if we don’t.

    I’m struggling with this one. We know that ultimately, education defeats fear – if you learn the truth of what something is and how it operates, you’re better prepared to deal with it. So on one hand, if the mislead Trumpists somehow were to finally understand how they’ve been duped, you’d think that would be the way to “coax them back to earth”.
    On the other hand: racism. Which is comprised largely of fear, yes, but is unfortunately much more than that.

  115. Ntilakilla:
    OMG! What a coincidence?!? Noel got healthy just in time for Taj not to take his job away.

    Isn’t this odd? Noel got injured out of nowhere and now he’s healthy real fast the moment his replacement was signed!

    So you’re saying that Noel was refusing to play because he was disgruntled so rather than discipline him for making the team face opponents short-handed at the 5, they jus accommodated him by making up an injury. And since Taj isn’t available tonight, Noel came crawling back because he’s worried about Taj taking his playing time…

    Right.

    Hoping you will stop doing this shit is turning out to be about as pointless as arguing year after year that Frank was an excellent draft pick.

  116. Trier signing to play in the G-League. I’m surprised nobody signed him, even in the abbreviated offseason.

  117. I’m so happy I’m rooting for Carlos Carrasco and not Trevor Bauer. I was not really super psyched to have the latter on the Mets at a bloated salary.

    Carrasco at 2/24 with an option for an affordable third year is WAY better than Bauer at 5/150 or whatever he would have cost. Carrasco is a great dude, Bauer is a complete douchebag.

    LGM!!!

  118. JK47:
    I’m so happy I’m rooting for Carlos Carrasco and not Trevor Bauer. I was not really super psyched to have the latter on the Mets at a bloated salary.

    Carrasco at 2/24 with an option for an affordable third year is WAY better than Bauer at 5/150 or whatever he would have cost. Carrasco is a great dude, Bauer is a complete douchebag.

    LGM!!!

    I’m taking your word for it, since I kinda liked Gimenez and have no idea who Lindor is.

  119. I’m taking your word for it, since I kinda liked Gimenez and have no idea who Lindor is.

    Decent argument to be made that he’s the third best player in the sport, and almost definitely isn’t worse than tenth.

  120. thenoblefacehumper: Decent argument to be made that he’s the third best player in the sport, and almost definitely isn’t worse than tenth.

    That’s how it sounds, but didn’t he tail off last year?

  121. JK47: The average unemployed working class voter USUALLY doesn’t vote, but Donald Trump’s special secret sauce was that he got low-propensity voters, many of whom are these disenchanted and disengaged low-income or no-income working class white people to turn out and vote for him.

    ALL OF THAT BEING SAID, the extremists on the right are worse than the extremists on the left. The Republican party hasn’t ignored rural America. They’ve sold them a bill of lies the last 40 years and told them all of their problems were because of POC, gays, etc…instead of being honest with them about changing demographics and helping them prepare for the global economy.

    They’ve told them coal jobs are coming back, that global warming is a democratic hoax, that illegals are stealing their jobs, that the left hates Christianity, etc. Trump is just the end game of 40 yrs of doing that. They’ve painted themselves into an corner where compromising with the other side is seen as weakness. And Dems give up too much power before they even come to the table.

    BINGO!

    On one hand, I think it’s fair to question if Dems have ignored rural low-educated whites. But willful ignorance and white privilege can go hand-in-hand: consider this quote on a recent GQ article on Trevor Noah talking about a homeless white man whose refused his help:

    “…I was like, ‘Hey, man, can we do anything?’ He said, ‘No…I’m fine living the way I live.’ And I thought, Well, this is a very weird experience,” Noah says, adding that he came to realize the man wasn’t as laid-back as he appeared. “He’s homeless, but he’ll say super-racist or sexist shit to my employees, like the women…”

  122. That’s how it sounds, but didn’t he tail off last year?

    It was a down year by his standards, but the 60 game sample size renders it nearly irrelevant and he was still on pace for ~4.5 WAR over 162 games.

    Another notable name signing a G League deal: Former Knicks guard Allonzo Trier. He will be in Monday’s Draft. Trier, 24, averaged nearly 10 points per game in his two seasons in New York.— Shams Charania (@ShamsCharania) January 8, 2021

    Gotta say, I don’t really understand how Dillon Brooks is a $10M+ AAV guy if Iso Zo has to toil in the G League.

  123. Even in his down year last year, in a shortened season, Lindor was a 4+ WAR player. He’s a Gold Glove-winning shortstop who is a switch hitter and has power and speed.

    Carrasco is universally beloved in Cleveland, he took a hometown discount to return there, which we are now reaping the benefits of, and he made a successful comeback from leukemia. Last year was his comeback year and all his peripherals looked great– high swinging strike rate, good FIP. Prorate his season over a full year and he’s also like a 4+ WAR player.

  124. More from that Noah article:

    “…Never says anything to the white guys who are with us. And it’s that weird power dynamic where you go, ‘So wait, let me get this straight: You’re homeless, but in your head, you’re like, Yeah, I’m still white.’ And I’m like, ‘But you’re homeless,’ ” Noah explained. “It’s a really interesting dynamic. In the rules of wokeness, I don’t know how it works. I don’t know what the rules are.”

    When racism allows for this – it suggests to me that some are just too far gone to be coaxed back or politicized into accepting diversity.

  125. thenoblefacehumper: Another notable name signing a G League deal: Former Knicks guard Allonzo Trier. He will be in Monday’s Draft. Trier, 24, averaged nearly 10 points per game in his two seasons in New York.— Shams Charania (@ShamsCharania) January 8, 2021

    Gotta say, I don’t really understand how Dillon Brooks is a $10M+ AAV guy if Iso Zo has to toil in the G League.

    Is he really not at all into developing his passing skills? Or is he in the Jimmer Fredette Club?

  126. So, the entire Sixers team is in quarantine now. And I guess the Nets are about to be too…

    (I feel like there should be an A team and a B team for all franchises this year, and they are never in the same room together, so that the B team can step in for the A team when everybody gets sent to quarantine because of Seth Curry)

  127. Ntilakilla: So Southern liberals in the Knoxville area agreeing with this woman’s call for revolution? Or are the people who agree the ones who didn’t vote for your mayor?

    Tough to say. Most of my friends think she’s a nut, but we don’t know for sure if she really is from Knoxville. Supposedly local media is trying to confirm exactly who she is.

    IIRC, a lot less people vote in local mayoral elections than for national ones, and you have to distinguish between Knoxville city and the larger Knox County. We also have a Knox County mayor, former pro wrestler Kane/Glenn Jacobs. He’s openly conservative, though I think he refers to himself as a libertarian.

    Beyond Knox County, you really start to see the rebel flags and all. Head south into Blount County, for example, where I taught for many years and where one of my brothers lives.

  128. RIP Sammy’s Roumanian Steakhouse a true NYC indigestion and heartburn institution. When I was a lawyer( in a prior life), I repped the South Carolina Seaport Authority and we brought them to Sammy’s for dinner. It became the highlight of their visit and for years they could not stop talking about it. Setups for classic egg creams on every table: Foxes U Bet, milk, and seltzer. My only regret was that I never went to Sammy’s stoned.
    ( apologies for the boomer nostalgia)

  129. thenoblefacehumper: It was a down year by his standards, but the 60 game sample size renders it nearly irrelevant and he was still on pace for ~4.5 WAR over 162 games.

    Gotta say, I don’t really understand how Dillon Brooks is a $10M+ AAV guy if Iso Zo has to toil in the G League.

    There has to be a backstory concerning Trier that has never been revealed.

  130. @ShamsCharania
    Sources: Prior to flight from Denver to Dallas today, the Mavericks learned of a positive coronavirus test for a player and two additional players who are expected to quarantine for seven days due to contact tracing. The three players remained in Denver.

  131. Clashfan, Knoxville sounds no different than most any metropolitan area as you go rural. My brother-in-law is in IT in a tiny upstate NY area. He helped set up for vaccines there (long story) but it turned out there were actually more vaccines than people who qualified to get them. He and his two staffers were offered the chance rather than have them go to waste, which he took but his two staff refused.

    A lot in that story to unwrap; perhaps we stay with basketball (although Covid’s just infected that thread, too).

  132. So you’re saying that Noel was refusing to play because he was disgruntled so rather than discipline him for making the team face opponents short-handed at the 5, they jus accommodated him by making up an injury.

    I think he pretended to be injured because he was disgruntled. He probably complained to Thibs about his minutes and wanted a trade/release. Thibs told him to fuck off. And he got “injured”. The Knicks moved on and signed Taj Gibson and voila he’s healthy again! As you note, its all speculation and can’t be proven. Its just so strange Noel gets healthy from his surprise injury the moment Taj is about to take his spot on a contract year.

  133. Raven: Knoxville sounds no different than most any metropolitan area as you go rural.

    That’s so true. Rural Vermont is a bit of an exception, but I can’t think of many others.

  134. @IanBegley
    Obi Toppin (calf strain) will need to go through normal progression of playing 1-on-1, 2-on-2, 3-on-3, 5-on-5 before he returns to the court for the Knicks. He has yet to be cleared for contact and will presumably need some time to regain his conditioning.

    Patience, Monty… climb the ladder…

  135. JK47:
    I’m so happy I’m rooting for Carlos Carrasco and not Trevor Bauer. I was not really super psyched to have the latter on the Mets at a bloated salary.

    Carrasco at 2/24 with an option for an affordable third year is WAY better than Bauer at 5/150 or whatever he would have cost. Carrasco is a great dude, Bauer is a complete douchebag.

    LGM!!!

    Carrasco and Bauer are actually good friends if you believe the latter. But, yeah, Bauer and his agent are asking for way too much money. Plus, there is the fact that this dude is a drama magnet the way Matt Harvey was for us. He all but admitted to cheating in 2020 to produce his Cy Young award season with the Reds by doctoring the baseball with some illegal substance. The revolutions per minute on his pitches increased too much. And now that a former clubhouse manager for the Angels was busted for selling illegal substances to Gerrit Cole, we don’t need the heat an MLB crackdown will bring. Though, this crackdown might even include Carrasco, which is why the Indians might have been keen to give him up.

  136. Its just so strange Noel gets healthy from his surprise injury the moment Taj is about to take his spot on a contract year.

    Yeah, it’s super fucking strange that his injury is healing on a normal timeline and the FO hired a desperately needed 3rd C. Just real, real strange. Hmm. Hmmmmmmmmm.

  137. Grocer: Yeah, it’s super fucking strange that his injury is healing on a normal timeline and the FO hired a desperately needed 3rd C.Just real, real strange.Hmm.Hmmmmmmmmm.

    If his injury was healing on a normal timeline then why did the team wave Spellman – which we all know they really didn’t want to do – and go through the trouble of signing Taj Gibson? This is the part I can’t wrap my head around. They were willing to play 2 games with no Noel, so if he was on a “normal timeline” then why make the roster move?

  138. We also have a Knox County mayor, former pro wrestler Kane/Glenn Jacobs.

    Oh, yeah, I know about Glenn/Kane. He’s a hardcore libertarian. Calls himself a Rothbardian libertarian, which basically means every major decision should be governed by market forces of supply and demand. Murray Rothbard, by the way, opposed desegregation all throughout the 1960s. I can definitely see a Venn Diagram of people who support Onion Lady’s revolution and those who think the US Civil War was a conflict born of Yankee aggression against Southern states rights.

  139. TheClashFan: Actually, East TN was pro Union during the Civil War

    That’s very interesting. Do you know where the dividing line was between East and West TN? I have ancestors from Tennessee. It’s also the first name of a wonderful friend and amazing artist – Tennessee Rice Dixon. She lived in Inwood for a long time. A Cherokee man came and sat next to her on her stoop one day and struck up a conversation. He told her it’s pronounced Ten ah see with the accent on the “ah”.

  140. Ntilakilla: If his injury was healing on a normal timeline then why did the team wave Spellman – which we all know they really didn’t want to do – and go through the trouble of signing Taj Gibson?This is the part I can’t wrap my head around. They were willing to play 2 games with no Noel, so if he was on a “normal timeline” then why make the roster move?

    Because Spellman turned out to be a fat unplayable scrub and the Knicks gave up on him because they realized that they needed an actually playable 3rd option at PF-C and were able to find one on a minimum deal. Why is it any more complicated than that? If they didn’t want to waive him, why didn’t they play him when they were desperate for reserves at the 4-5? (I’m sure you have an equally ridiculous reason for that as well!)

  141. Seth Curry and 3 Celtics players out tonight for COVID protocols

    Is there any way this doesn’t end badly?

  142. Happiest moments of my life:

    1. My son is born
    2. Ball rolls through Buckner’s legs
    3. Trump banned from Twitter
    4. Syracuse wins NCAA hoops chip

  143. Unreason: That’s very interesting. Do you know where the dividing line was between East and West TN? I have ancestors from Tennessee. It’s also the first name of a wonderful friend and amazing artist – Tennessee Rice Dixon. She lived in Inwood for a long time. A Cherokee man came and sat next to her on her stoop one day and struck up a conversation. He told her it’s pronounced Ten ah see with the accent on the “ah”.

    I’d guess it was geographically at least about the eastern 1/3 of the state, maybe more.

    Here’s an article about some of that. There was an attempt to try to make E. TN it’s own state:
    https://www.knoxnews.com/story/news/2017/08/26/east-tennessee-civil-war-pro-union-divided/599123001/

    Here’s a good but hard to find book about the ACW in East Tennessee. I have a softcover copy of it:

    https://www.amazon.com/Divided-Loyalties-Sanders-Civil-Tennessee/dp/0941199134

  144. For future reference…the local media here in Knoxville is reporting that the nutty Trump fanatic who claimed she was from Knoxville is actually from Bowie, Maryland, and her whereabouts are still unknown.

    Oh, and the FBI is looking for her.

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