Knicks Morning News (2019.07.01)

  • [Hoops Rumors] Knicks, Reggie Bullock Agree To Two-Year Deal
    (Monday, July 01, 2019 1:57:17 AM)

    The Knicks have reached a deal to sign free agent wing Reggie Bullock to a two-year, $21MM contract, reports Shams Charania of The Athletic (via Twitter). While New York missed out on its top free agent targets, the team has had a busy day, reaching eight-figure, multiyear deals with Julius Randle, Bobby Portis, Taj Gibson, […]

  • [Hoops Rumors] Knicks, Bobby Portis Agree To Two-Year Deal
    (Monday, July 01, 2019 12:16:43 AM)

    The Knicks will add Bobby Portis on a two-year deal, Adrian Wojnarowski of ESPN.com reports (Twitter link). Portis will make $31MM over the length of the deal. Washington is rescinding its qualifying offer for Portis, according to The Athletic’s Fred Katz (Twitter link). The move will allow him to sign with New York without the […]

  • [Sports Illustrated] Knicks President Issues Statement After Missing Out on Top Free Agents
    (Sunday, June 30, 2019 9:43:06 PM)

    The Knicks missed out on signing stars Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving.

  • [YahooSports] Knicks winning at being the joke of free agency
    (Sunday, June 30, 2019 11:22:12 PM)

    For an extended period of time, New York Knicks fans hoped their team was on the cusp of a franchise-saving offseason. That isn’t happening.

  • [YahooSports] Stephen A. Smith has entirely predictable meltdown over Knicks free agency: ‘This can’t happen!’
    (Monday, July 01, 2019 2:45:44 AM)

    Prior to the NBA lottery, Knicks fans had dreams of a lineup that could potentially include Zion Williamson, Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving. After dropping to the third pick in the draft and missing out on Sunday’s marquee free agency deals, Knicks fans will have to settle for RJ Barrett, Julius Randle and Taj Gibson.

  • [YahooSports] Fans are laughing at the New York Knicks, but oddsmakers are laughing the hardest
    (Sunday, June 30, 2019 11:59:41 PM)

    Their fall in the odds is a great indication just how bad things have gone for the Knicks, who seemed to be pointing to this moment. As for the Sixers, their odds have gone unchanged, which is intriguing as well. Yesterday, the Sixers were 10-to-1 to win the NBA title and, after trading Jimmy Butler and adding Al Horford, they’re still 10-to-1.

  • [YahooSports] Report: Knicks didn’t offer Kevin Durant max contract
    (Sunday, June 30, 2019 11:52:38 PM)

    Knicks owner Jim Dolan went on TV and predicted success in free agency. Everyone took that to mean Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving. The Knicks and owner Jim Dolan were not prepared to offer Kevin Durant a full max contract due to concerns over his recovery from the Achilles injury, league sources tell me and @wojespn.

  • [SNY Knicks] Knicks’ strikeout in free agency marks low point for ownership
    (Monday, July 01, 2019 1:09:52 AM)

    The Knicks have had so many low points over the last 20 years that it’s hard to rank them. But what happened on Sunday is near the top of the list.

  • [SNY Knicks] Knicks release statement after missing out on Kevin Durant, Kyrie Irving
    (Monday, July 01, 2019 12:29:34 AM)

    Amid losing their pursuits of top free agents Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving, Knicks president Steve Mills released a statement empathizing with ‘disappointed’ fans.

  • [SNY Knicks] SEE IT: New York’s back pages after Knicks miss out on Kevin Durant, Kyrie Irving
    (Sunday, June 30, 2019 10:55:48 PM)

    Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving are both coming to New York … but they’re not playing their home games at Madison Square Garden.

  • [SNY Knicks] Knicks agree to deal with Julius Randle
    (Sunday, June 30, 2019 8:01:37 PM)

    Hours after losing out on the Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving sweepstakes, the Knicks made their first big splash in free agency in Julius Randle.

  • [SNY Knicks] Knicks, Bobby Portis agree to two-year contract
    (Monday, July 01, 2019 12:24:24 AM)

    The Knicks agreed to a two-year, $31 million deal with free-agent power forward Bobby Portis.

  • [SNY Knicks] Knicks add Taj Gibson in free agency
    (Sunday, June 30, 2019 9:05:00 PM)

    The Knicks reached an agreement with veteran forward Taj Gibson to a two-year, $20 million deal.

  • [SNY Knicks] Former Knick Mario Hezonja agrees with Trail Blazers
    (Sunday, June 30, 2019 11:17:01 PM)

    Former Knicks forward Mario Hezonja agreed to a deal with the Portland Trail Blazers.

  • [SNY Knicks] Knicks target Tobias Harris returns to 76ers on five-year deal
    (Sunday, June 30, 2019 7:34:21 PM)

    Another top free agent has escaped the Knicks, as Tobias Harris will return to Philadelphia to play for the 76ers, per his agent and father Torrel Harris.

  • [SNY Knicks] Knicks lose out to Nets in Kevin Durant, Kyrie Irving sweepstakes
    (Sunday, June 30, 2019 5:50:05 PM)

    The Brooklyn Nets have two of the best players in the NBA — a gut punch to the New York Knicks.

  • [SNY Knicks] Knicks free-agent target Terry Rozier agrees to deal with Hornets
    (Sunday, June 30, 2019 6:24:30 PM)

    In addition to striking out on Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving, the Knicks failed to sign Terry Rozier, who reportedly agreed to a three-year, $58 million deal with the Hornets.

  • [SNY Knicks] Former Knick Kristaps Porzingis signs five-year max deal with Mavs
    (Sunday, June 30, 2019 7:02:51 PM)

    Former Knicks forward Kristaps Porzingis agreed to a five-year, $158 million max contract with the Mavericks on Sunday.

  • [SNY Knicks] Knicks target Kevin Durant to make free agent decision tonight
    (Sunday, June 30, 2019 3:46:45 PM)

    The decision is finally here on where Kevin Durant will sign as a free agent.

  • [SNY Knicks] One part of Knicks’ pitch to free agent Kevin Durant: Money he can make off the court in NYC
    (Sunday, June 30, 2019 1:02:33 PM)

    Kevin Durant will be looking for opportunities to expand his brand wherever he chooses to go in NBA free agency.

  • [ESPN] Source: Knicks didn’t want to offer KD max deal
    (Sunday, June 30, 2019 8:06:01 PM)

    The Knicks were not prepared to offer Kevin Durant a max contract because of concerns about his recovery from his ruptured Achilles tendon, sources said.

  • [ESPN] Sources: Nets to sign Durant, Kyrie and DeAndre
    (Sunday, June 30, 2019 5:00:46 PM)

    The Nets are making a clean sweep in free agency. Kevin Durant has announced his move, and league sources told ESPN that Kyrie Irving and DeAndre Jordan will join him in Brooklyn.

  • [ESPN] Knicks to add forwards Randle, Gibson, Portis
    (Sunday, June 30, 2019 7:44:41 PM)

    The Knicks have agreed to a three-year, $63 million deal with free-agent frontcourt player Julius Randle. They followed up that agreement by striking deals with veteran Taj Gibson and forward Bobby Portis.

  • [NYPost] Nets teach Knicks tough lesson on way to ruling the city
    (Sunday, June 30, 2019 8:13:51 PM)

    Good for the Nets. Good for Brooklyn. Good for New York. It is important to remember today what the Nets were like yesterday, the profound wasteland that Sean Marks inherited when he agreed to take over the team three years ago, because it must serve as a reminder that a smart GM and a smart…

  • [NYPost] ‘Upbeat’ Knicks address very angry fans
    (Sunday, June 30, 2019 5:58:14 PM)

    This likely isn’t the welcome new Knicks Taj Gibson and Julius Randle had in mind. “While we understand that some Knicks fans could be disappointed with tonight’s news, we continue to be upbeat and confident in our plans to rebuild the Knicks to compete for championships in the future, through the draft, targeted free agents…

  • [NYPost] Knicks add to front-court overhaul with Taj Gibson deal
    (Sunday, June 30, 2019 5:16:02 PM)

    The Knicks have their free-agent duo. The team agreed to a two-year, $20 million with forward Taj Gibson on Sunday night, according to ESPN. He joins fellow power forward Julius Randle, who landed a three-year, $63 million pact, as the Knicks’ first two free-agent signings. This day was believed to be about Kevin Durant and…

  • [NYPost] Knicks land Julius Randle after Kevin Durant fail: ‘He is a beast’
    (Sunday, June 30, 2019 3:56:59 PM)

    For their Kevin Durant consolation prizes, the Knicks went into a spending frenzy by signing four players — three power forwards and swingman Reggie Bullock. They added two young power forwards, former Lakers lottery pick Julius Randle and Bobby Portis to fill their vacant power-forward slot, according to sources. And the reeling Knicks also bulked…

  • [NYPost] James Dolan’s Knicks free-agent tease looks really bad now
    (Sunday, June 30, 2019 3:08:09 PM)

    James Dolan teased everyone… and became the punchline. In March, the Knicks owner declared: “Look, New York is the mecca of basketball. We hear from people all the time, from players and representatives about who wants to come.” On Sunday, Kevin Durant confirmed he’s off to the other New York team. Kyrie Irving is Nets-bound,…

  • [NYPost] Knicks being scorched after Kevin Durant chooses Nets
    (Sunday, June 30, 2019 1:43:55 PM)

    Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving are headed to the Nets — the duo the Knicks once dreamed of signing. Many were shocked over the news, and social media quickly took aim at the Knicks and owner James Dolan, who failed to deliver NBA free agency’s biggest chip to the Garden.  

  • [NYPost] 2019 NBA free agent tracker: Following every big-name signing
    (Sunday, June 30, 2019 1:12:53 PM)

    The market is open. There are a lot of big names available for 2019 NBA free agency, and where they end up could re-shape the league as everyone knows it. Kevin Durant is the league’s biggest domino and he’ll likely set the tone despite a torn Achilles that will keep him sidelined for the 2019-20…

  • [NYPost] Knicks’ ‘crazy’ Kevin Durant nightmare: When they learned Nets won, and what’s next
    (Sunday, June 30, 2019 12:57:42 PM)

    Knicks owner James Dolan’s worst nightmare has unfolded as the crosstown rival Nets swiped Kevin Durant — and Kyrie Irving — from their hands. While the traded Kristaps Porzingis is expected to sign a long-term deal with the Mavericks, Durant announced on The Boardroom’s Instagram account Sunday that he’s going to Brooklyn to sign a…

  • [NYPost] Kevin Durant’s free-agency decision will come quickly
    (Sunday, June 30, 2019 11:43:47 AM)

    The world won’t have to wait long to find out where Kevin Durant is going. Durant will announce his free-agency decision Sunday night, according to ESPN’s Adrian Wojnarowski. NBA free agency officially begins at 6 p.m. Sunday. The report says Durant will announce the move on the Instagram page of “The Boardroom.” Yahoo’s Chris Haynes…

  • [NYTimes] Nets teach Knicks tough lesson on way to ruling the city
    (Sunday, June 30, 2019 8:13:51 PM)

    Good for the Nets. Good for Brooklyn. Good for New York. It is important to remember today what the Nets were like yesterday, the profound wasteland that Sean Marks inherited when he agreed to take over the team three years ago, because it must serve as a reminder that a smart GM and a smart…

  • [NYTimes] ‘Upbeat’ Knicks address very angry fans
    (Sunday, June 30, 2019 5:58:14 PM)

    This likely isn’t the welcome new Knicks Taj Gibson and Julius Randle had in mind. “While we understand that some Knicks fans could be disappointed with tonight’s news, we continue to be upbeat and confident in our plans to rebuild the Knicks to compete for championships in the future, through the draft, targeted free agents…

  • [NYTimes] Knicks add to front-court overhaul with Taj Gibson deal
    (Sunday, June 30, 2019 5:16:02 PM)

    The Knicks have their free-agent duo. The team agreed to a two-year, $20 million with forward Taj Gibson on Sunday night, according to ESPN. He joins fellow power forward Julius Randle, who landed a three-year, $63 million pact, as the Knicks’ first two free-agent signings. This day was believed to be about Kevin Durant and…

  • [NYTimes] Knicks land Julius Randle after Kevin Durant fail: ‘He is a beast’
    (Sunday, June 30, 2019 3:56:59 PM)

    For their Kevin Durant consolation prizes, the Knicks went into a spending frenzy by signing four players — three power forwards and swingman Reggie Bullock. They added two young power forwards, former Lakers lottery pick Julius Randle and Bobby Portis to fill their vacant power-forward slot, according to sources. And the reeling Knicks also bulked…

  • [NYTimes] James Dolan’s Knicks free-agent tease looks really bad now
    (Sunday, June 30, 2019 3:08:09 PM)

    James Dolan teased everyone… and became the punchline. In March, the Knicks owner declared: “Look, New York is the mecca of basketball. We hear from people all the time, from players and representatives about who wants to come.” On Sunday, Kevin Durant confirmed he’s off to the other New York team. Kyrie Irving is Nets-bound,…

  • [NYTimes] Knicks being scorched after Kevin Durant chooses Nets
    (Sunday, June 30, 2019 1:43:55 PM)

    Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving are headed to the Nets — the duo the Knicks once dreamed of signing. Many were shocked over the news, and social media quickly took aim at the Knicks and owner James Dolan, who failed to deliver NBA free agency’s biggest chip to the Garden.  

  • [NYTimes] 2019 NBA free agent tracker: Following every big-name signing
    (Sunday, June 30, 2019 1:12:53 PM)

    The market is open. There are a lot of big names available for 2019 NBA free agency, and where they end up could re-shape the league as everyone knows it. Kevin Durant is the league’s biggest domino and he’ll likely set the tone despite a torn Achilles that will keep him sidelined for the 2019-20…

  • [NYTimes] Knicks’ ‘crazy’ Kevin Durant nightmare: When they learned Nets won, and what’s next
    (Sunday, June 30, 2019 12:57:42 PM)

    Knicks owner James Dolan’s worst nightmare has unfolded as the crosstown rival Nets swiped Kevin Durant — and Kyrie Irving — from their hands. While the traded Kristaps Porzingis is expected to sign a long-term deal with the Mavericks, Durant announced on The Boardroom’s Instagram account Sunday that he’s going to Brooklyn to sign a…

  • [NYTimes] Kevin Durant’s free-agency decision will come quickly
    (Sunday, June 30, 2019 11:43:47 AM)

    The world won’t have to wait long to find out where Kevin Durant is going. Durant will announce his free-agency decision Sunday night, according to ESPN’s Adrian Wojnarowski. NBA free agency officially begins at 6 p.m. Sunday. The report says Durant will announce the move on the Instagram page of “The Boardroom.” Yahoo’s Chris Haynes…

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    49 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2019.07.01)”

    1. I wake up to a 15m Portis signing after the Taj nightmare? Some positive news though: Randle’s 3rd year being non-guaranteed is huge. It’s better than a team option because a team could trade for him and then cut him right away if they needed cap space.

      Overall Grade: D+

      Better Strategy:
      – Sign Randle to same deal
      – Sign Vonleh/Kornet to cheap deals (young, average+ last season, could improve)
      – Put 10m/yr, 2-year offer sheet in front of Satoransky (guy’s average plus player, able to play the 1)
      – Put 10m/yr 3-year offer sheet in front of Bryant (average+ last season, promising young center)
      – Sign vet mentors like Taj to 1-year deals (no player options)
      – Keep 15m or so of cap space to maintain possibility of very sweet trade deadline deal

      Bottom Line: We’d have a group of many young average+ players on very reasonable deals. SF is our weakest position. Youth Roster:
      1: Satoransky, DSJ, Kadeem
      2: RJ, Trier
      3: Knox, Dotson, Braz
      4: Randle, Vonleh, Kornet, Braz
      5: Mitch, Bryant, Kornet

    2. Re-post:

      What’s equally mind-boggling is that we essentially replaced the TH2/Lee contracts we used KP to unload, making the KP deal a total waste of a great asset. Seriously, had we kept Lee and TH2 would we be any worse off? And on top of that, we stretched Noah, which actually DID make us worse off.

      It’s just so boringly stupid. At least with Cousins there was a miniscule probability that he would become a late-blooming legit star. Portis? (who admittedly I liked at draft time) Bullock? (who others wanted us to draft over Shump) Gibson? (is he one of those guys who always played well against us? don’t we always sign those guys?)

      If you want more rose-colored glasses thinking, I guess if its a tabula rasa, they stuck with their professed “no long-term FA deals” mantra. Considering the number of long-term cap-killing deals that were signed yesterday, 2021-22 could actually be an interesting time for us. But the performance of the Mills-Perry duo does not instill any confidence that they could ever competently manage an opportunity.

    3. Went to sleep disappointed but not super unhappy.
      Woke up still disappointed, not super unhappy, but not happy at all about the Portis signing. Not that Portis is terrible or anything but I don’t get it with Knox, Gibson, and Randle all on the team already.

      Overall Randle + Gibson + Bullock I get. But instead of Portis, use that cap space to take on Batum or Marvin Williams for picks. C’mon man.

      Offensively the team should be much better next year, but the defense could be truly terrible. Even worse than last year unless Mitch is truly an all-NBA type of defender next year.

      Re: the Durant thing – everyone is bashing Dolan for this but I don’t think this is directly Dolan’s fault — ie. the media stuff, the banning the fan stuff. I really don’t think players care that much about that, and there are plenty of star players who have played for the Knicks (Tyson, Melo, etc) who have good things to say about Dolan. And I DO believe that Dolan has stepped back from basketball operations. But this is the Phil Jackson hiring and everything that represented coming home to roost. Years of not thinking ahead, years of bad contracts, years of arrogance leading to a dumpster fire of a roster. And even so I truly believe Durant was coming until that Achilles injury – there were just too many connected people who believed it and wrote it. I think the way this went down is that Durant could not find a running mate that was willing to play with the kids for a year while his injury healed, and didn’t want to come by himself to a team that was not ready-made to at least compete even without him.

      This could go spectacularly badly for Brooklyn, but they did an amazing job and deserve all the credit.

      (meanwhile Russell on the Warriors is sort of a weird move. But whatever)

    4. I had the notion I could explain the Knicks bizarre decisions by pointing out they are good marketing moves. They were getting perceived stars. But over the past few months they got rid of a bona fide star (you can argue regarding the risk factor) and spent some $45M a year on non-stars. Even from a marketing standpoint things are bad!

      Sad. All I want is some logical explanation to hold on to, and it’s now impossible. Other than the conspiracy theory that the front office is getting some kind of under the table benefits from the players agents for giving them more than market value contracts. But like I said, it’s no more than a conspiracy theory.

    5. Tea leaf reading is the order of the day. Berman:

      Mills and GM Scott Perry have said for months a new culture/vibe had star players wanting to be with the Knicks. But they have struck out on Durant, Irving and Kemba Walker, and their jobs could be in jeopardy.

      *****************************

      The funny thing is that Dolan actually owns another sports team and it’s a very well-run one that’s been very good and even engaged in a teardown/Process that’s going very well. It would be great if he somehow learned the Rangers lessons and applied them to the Knicks but basketball is way, way, way more of a celebrity/star world and he kind of laughably sees himself as, and wants to be, a player in that world.

    6. So here’s our wings:
      Knox
      Barrett
      Dot
      Trier
      Bullock
      Ntilikina
      Iggy

      And our Points:
      DSJ
      Allen

      Who the hell is gonna shoot and play well enough to be in the game for more than shooting other than Dot? Trier’s a decent shooter, but he’s not a guy you want attempting to be a sniper. Bullock can stroke it, but is he still a good enough defensive player? Unless Iggy blows everyone out of the water this summer, he likely won’t see the floor much unless Fiz uses him as a smallball 4- but now we have 3 players who should get plenty minutes at the 4 on Randle, Gibson, and Portis.
      Would Miami take Ntilikina for Dragic and a pick?

    7. After reading Bullock’s personal story, I’m less angry and disappointed. He is definitely a high-character guy. And a career 39% 3-pt shooter is a huge uptick from TH2. So I guess I’m on board with his and Randle. Not so much on Portis and Gibson.

    8. @6 I’m smelling a Mudiay signing. Or I just stepped in dogshit, one or the other…too afraid to look at the bottom of my shoe.

    9. But instead of Portis, use that cap space to take on Batum or Marvin Williams for picks.

      I don’t think Hornets were offering picks if teams took those players. Charlotte would have posted their willingness at the league office. Biyombo, Williams, MKG are expiring contracts. Batum would have made more sense but it appears MJ not interested in lowering his payments or freeing cap at the expense of draft picks.

    10. I would much much rather have spent 2 years $10MM on Vonleh than 2 years $31MM on Portis.

      So are we done?
      And why do I have this feeling we are going to be playing Randle at the 3 sometimes next to Portis and Mitch? (jumbo lineup of Frank, RJ, Randle, Portis, and Mitch seems a very Fizdale thing to do)

      Randle really is an interesting player — really CAN handle the ball, makes some really nice and non-obvious passes to cutters and 3 point shooters, gets to the line a ton, AND finishes around the rim like a boss (69 and 73% from 0-3 ft the last 2 years – that is nearly Giannis-like) and is a pretty good rebounder. Offensively one could (as many have) make the comparison to what Zion is and will be — of course Zion might be better on defense than offense, but who’s counting…

      Honestly think a lineup of Frank, RJ, Dotson or Bullock, Randle, and Mitch would be really fun.

      Just REALLY don’t get the Portis signing.

    11. I know wishing as a Knicks fan doesn’t go well together, but I’m reeeeaaallly wishing we can get a deal for Dragic done. That’s a low seed playoff team for sure, and excellent seasoning for the kids

    12. So other than Iggy, who GS asked for his preference before shopping, who else have we missed out on renting space to for a pick? Not hypotheticals, actual moves made.

      And yeah, after all the talk about not signing second and third their guys going out and signing second and third their guys feels a hell of a lot like the hand of Dolan. At least they’re young, other than Gibson.

    13. I’m with Frank @3,
      I can somewhat understand Randle, Gibson (overpaid), Bullock (slightly overpaid) but they totally lost me on Portis…

      It’s clear that after the debacle with the big names they have to do something but I hoped they use the cap space exchanging draft assets (I know it’s not so simple, we’re not in a videogame), not shipping out contracts just to get to the cap floor (98 M).

      Dolan could fire Mills and Perry (probably citing the fact that they are the sources for his stupid “from what I’m told…” bragging with Michael Kay) but he’s the first that need to go, star players aren’t gonna come to us until he’s here.

      Meanwhile I’m very impressed by Utah and New Orleans moves, it’s really sad that last summer we missed on Griff (Bud wants the GM job so it’s one or the other and I don’t like “coachGMs”).

    14. So other than Iggy, who GS asked for his preference before shopping, who else have we missed out on renting space to for a pick? Not hypotheticals, actual moves made.

      We could have offered to cut him right after trade (or maybe after a couple of months to enable a bit of mentoring). He then could have gone to team of his choice. We’d have gotten a protected GSW pick and lost a roster spot. Not sure, but maybe large 2-yr RFA offers to players like Satoransky or Jones might be better. May have been able to do both. Appears we’re doing neither. Uggh

    15. I know wishing as a Knicks fan doesn’t go well together, but I’m reeeeaaallly wishing we can get a deal for Dragic done. That’s a low seed playoff team for sure, and excellent seasoning for the kids

      Sorry Totes, this team is a loooooong way from a low seed playoff team.
      Locks:
      Raps
      Bucks
      Sixers
      Celts

      Likely:
      Nets
      Indy

      Will duke it out for the last 2 seeds:
      Pistons
      Magic
      Heat
      Atlanta

      Sure lottery teams:
      Knicks
      Bulls
      Cavs
      Wizards
      Hornets

      Dragic doesn’t move the needle.

    16. Bud did not want the GM job. Perry had already been hired before coaching interviews took place. Budz just wanted roster input and they told him that he would not have any. So he went to Milwaukee instead.

      Griffin, though, yeah, that was just a fuck-up.

    17. btw has anyone heard for sure about whether Randle’s 3rd year is team option or non/partial-guaranteed in some way?
      Seems some conflicting info out there. Haynes, Berman, and Begley have all written that the 3rd year is a team option whereas Popper said no, then amended to “there is just a partial guarantee on the third year for Randle – which sounds like a team option to me” which doesn’t make any sense.

      Bad contract if it’s a straight 3/63. OK contract if 3rd year is a team option.

      Meanwhile portis shot 40% from 3, 80% from the line, and still somehow ended up with a TS of 53. That is a man who needs to change his shot distribution.

    18. Went to sleep depressed. Woke up more depressed. It’s a downward spiral. I thought 17 wins was a bottom. All I look for is a path towards improving. How are we better off than this time last year? Where is the light at the end of the tunnel?

    19. @17 Yeah right, my bad.

      And Griffin wants to hire his FO staff, so Mills and Dolan said no…

    20. btw has anyone heard for sure about whether Randle’s 3rd year is team option or non/partial-guaranteed in some way?
      Seems some conflicting info out there. Haynes, Berman, and Begley have all written that the 3rd year is a team option whereas Popper said no, then amended to “there is just a partial guarantee on the third year for Randle – which sounds like a team option to me” which doesn’t make any sense.

      Popper likely had someone say, “It is not a team option” and when Popper pressed on it (since everyone else was reporting “team option”) he was told it was a “partially guaranteed third season,” which Popper correctly noted is, in effect, a team option. I guess if you have to pay the guy some money, it’s not technically a team option (since a team option would strictly be a yes or no deal).

    21. Honestly think a lineup of Frank, RJ, Dotson or Bullock, Randle, and Mitch would be really fun.

      … for opposing teams to come in and wipe the floor with.

    22. Went to sleep depressed. Woke up more depressed. It’s a downward spiral. I thought 17 wins was a bottom. All I look for is a path towards improving. How are we better off than this time last year? Where is the light at the end of the tunnel?

      It’s going to have to be through the draft. We have to hope that Barrett somehow turns out to be a star and that Mitch improves even further and that their draft picks in 2020 and 2021 work out, as well. There is a theoretically bright future for this team, but it is all based on the draft.

    23. This is soooo different than I hoped to be feeling when since the KP trade I was looking forward to July 1. Soooooooo much worse.

    24. It’s really funny to read all the bullshit our FO and Fizdale say and then look at what they do. It’s a clown show.

    25. BC re: the draft, agreed. Don’t forget the two CHA 2nd rounders in what should be deeper drafts than this one.

    26. I think this team will just be a normal bad team instead of a total dumpster fire like it was last year. Without a doubt there is way more offensive talent on this team than last year when we were LAST in offense. And while not signing stars is disappointing, at least there is some clarity going forward for the next two years. Sniff around trades for stars if they should become available, but otherwise this is a young athletic team that will have to develop on both ends of the floor. Fiz and co talk a lot about player development – that will be the question. Marks did lots of interesting stuff in Brooklyn but the real heroes there are Atkinson + staff who developed a bunch of nobodies into real players. Let’s see if Fizdale can do the same.

    27. We could have offered to cut him right after trade (or maybe after a couple of months to enable a bit of mentoring). He then could have gone to team of his choice.

      He did that anyway without any uncertainty? I’m just saying, renting out cap space for picks doesn’t look like a thing so far. Everywhere Leonard could go can sign him outright. I guess we’ll see if there are anymore of these deals.

    28. It’s really funny to read all the bullshit our FO and Fizdale say and then look at what they do. It’s a clown show.

      Ay-yep. And there’s zero accountability.

    29. I think this team will just be a normal bad team instead of a total dumpster fire like it was last year.

      I’m holding out hope for dumpster fire. And for the portis signing not going through.

    30. Ay-yep. And there’s zero accountability.

      Or, or, there’s a Dolan shaped presence in the room saying “do something, I look stupid right now!” That’s a kind of accountability.

    31. Randle makes some sense. Bullock makes sense. Gibson makes a bit of sense, but not necessarily at that price point. But WTF are we doing with Bobby Portis?!?!?

    32. The Knicks are like a turd. They want to flush and quick fix it all up, but they’re not good enough, so there’s not enough water to float the turd and allow the flush, so you get a beached whale type of a turd, which is worse than the original turd.

      I have to hand it to the Nets, though. They were in a much worse position after the horrible Boston trade, but they stockpiled, hit on basically every pick (does that just mean ‘developed?’), and floated their turd for a glorious flush of epic proportions, one that flushed their cross river rivals’ fans hopes down with it

    33. And for the portis signing not going through.

      The Wizards pulled back their qualifying offer, so Portis is not even a restricted free agent anymore.

    34. I’m ok with everything other than Portis. Slight overpays for Randle, Taj and Bullock, but that’s to be expected in FA, especially if you’re hell bent on only 2 year contracts. Portis at $31mil is just mind blowingly dumb, even without considering the glut of PFs on the team already. By every metric other than rebounding Kornet was a better player last year than Portis, the same age, and an order of magnitude cheaper.

    35. @23 – Yes. Through the draft. We don’t know about Barrett but our last 3 drafts, all lottery, have resulted in what? Knox, Ntilikina and KP, a player that couldn’t wait to leave. Is there any doubt that in Barrett will force his way out of here? Not to me.

    36. I agree with Grocer. there’s no evidence at all that anyone was interested in giving us a pick yesterday to use our cap space.

      I’m totally good with Randle. He got Harry Barnes $$, shorter time, and he’s a better player. He seemed to be in some demand. When we signed him, we had no PFs. And if year 3 is an option, sweet.
      I gon’t get Gibson’s deal. Twice what Ed Harris got? Then again, he’s cheaper than Trevor Ariza at 2 for $25M
      I’m fine with Bullock as a player, he is older than the others. It seems like $10M a year is what a backup costs now? That’s a lot of $$ for a guy to play behind Barrett and take Trier’s minutes.
      The portis deal I don’t get at all. He’s an OK player, with the other deals that signed and his age, I guess he’s in the $10M a year range, but not $15M.
      Portis AND Gibson makes no sense. We could have signed Portis then spent $6M / year on someone like Noah, KOQ, whoever.
      SO…..to me, We spent $5M / year too much on Gibson and $15M / year too much on Gibson. BUT…we didn’t go long term, we didn’t give a max to someone who doesn’t deserve it, we didnt bring in Boogie. that’s not horrible. We do have deals that at a worst case look tradeable.

    37. He did that anyway without any uncertainty? I’m just saying, renting out cap space for picks doesn’t look like a thing so far. Everywhere Leonard could go can sign him outright. I guess we’ll see if there are anymore of these deals.

      But he had to choose from teams that had cap space and wanted the GSW pick. If we had agreed to cut him, he could have gone to almost any team in the league. He also could have asked us to wait to cut him to let the season play out and then choose a team.

      Agree that there may be no more of those deals. I think guys like Satoransky or Tyus Jones could be acquired with remaining cap so I’m not that upset. Of course, FO is just gonna throw money at Payton to add to our ancient or sub par group of new Knicks. Another course would be to hold cap since there are often better deals at trade deadline. The problem is FO is not gonna choose any of the better options.

    38. Randle is a force offensively (and young), Bullock could be useful,
      but with that money I’d rather have Ed Davis (2YR/10M from Utah) and Satoransky than Gibson and Portis.

    39. Not fair to blast us on not offering KD the max. He wasn’t going to take it anyway, unless it included Kyree, and squeezed in Deandre.

    40. But he had to choose from teams that had cap space and wanted the GSW pick. If we had agreed to cut him, he could have gone to almost any team in the league. He also could have asked us to wait to cut him to let the season play out and then choose a team.

      I guess, but I don’t think we were part of the conversation at all. “Where would you like to go? That’s who we’ll talk to.” Dunno how you can give the FO shit for it, is what I am saying.

      The broader point is that there was a lot of chatter about using cap space to get picks, but that’s only happened once so far. I think maybe we misread the market on this one.

    41. Sorry Totes, this team is a loooooong way from a low seed playoff team.
      Locks:
      Raps
      Bucks
      Sixers
      Celts

      Likely:
      Nets
      Indy

      Will duke it out for the last 2 seeds:
      Pistons
      Magic
      Heat
      Atlanta

      Sure lottery teams:
      Knicks
      Bulls
      Cavs
      Wizards
      Hornets

      Dragic doesn’t move the needle.

      I dunno, Z. Maybe I have too much hope for the Fiz’ Kids, but I think adding Dragic to what we have puts us ahead of the sure lottery teams and good enough to Duke it out for the last 2 seeds with the team you listed. Lookin at that, I think I may need to temper my hopes lol. Miami and Detroit are gonna be tough to beat out for the 7-8 spot, but there’s at least a good chance.

      I think Atlanta is gonna surprise this season.

    42. Like a lot of us said yesterday before the news, we weren’t going to get upset if the Knicks whiffed on Durant/Kawhi/Kyrie
      **whisper: because honestly why the fuck would they come anyway???**
      … it was in failing at Plan B, and signing a guy like Cousins or Harris for long term contracts, and they didn’t.
      Also, a lot of people assume renting out cap space in an epic offseason of cap space would yield picks… I doubt that, and we have no proof of it ever existing.
      So far, all they did was get two marginal upside guys who happen to play power forward (on offense), and one old barking defensive vet (I think this was necessary-that’s why I wanted Beverley) who plays the same position, but probably won’t play much.
      How’s this- I think players didn’t want to come because we suck. We couldn’t get a guy like Beverley or Barea if we tried, much less Durant. We had to overpay to get the guys we got. I trust that Perry knew who was gettable weeks ago.
      But we didn’t lock up anyone past two years. No one on max. No one a washed up vet taking too many minutes and money from young players. And no trades giving up assets. Maybe things aren’t so bad?

    43. I guess if you have to pay the guy some money, it’s not technically a team option (since a team option would strictly be a yes or no deal).

      This is probably better than a team option. If you want to trade someone with an option you have to pick up the option. So then the team taking him would be on the hook for his entire salary. But that is not case with a partial guarantee. Only the guaranteed part counts against the cap until the guarantee is exercised

      I like the Randle signing. The Portis one is ok because at least he is quite young and could improve. The Bullock signing I have no clue. I hate the Gibson signing and have no idea why anyone is meh about it.

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