2020-21 Game Thread: Knicks vs Kevin Durant, Joe Harris and Three Guys Off The Street

The Knicks host the Nets tonight on the heels of the Nets both A. defeating the Denver Nuggets and B. trading for James Harden in a blockbuster deal where the Nets have promised the Nets their next 27 first round picks and the first born children of Joe Harris and Timothe Luwawu-Cabarrot

So the Nets will be very undermanned tonight, so the Knicks have a very good chance to get back to .500 tonight!

The Knicks also get Taj Gibson and Obi Toppin back tonight, but Toppin might not play (as he is a bit rusty).

Let’s go, getting back to .500, Knicks!

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236 thoughts to “2020-21 Game Thread: Knicks vs Kevin Durant, Joe Harris and Three Guys Off The Street”

  1. Still stunned by today trades, lot of things to digest,
    now I really disdain the Nets…

    Let’s go Knicks!

  2. This may be our last chance in a while to beat the Nets.
    Dolan cannot be happy about this. Hope they up his meds lest he forces Rose to make some rash moves. ( I’d be okay with moving Noel for Nic Claxton and Shamet.)

  3. So, the only further thing that the Nets can do now to improve their team is start selling souls, right?

    Or have they already done that?

  4. Commented on the last thread:

    Brian Cronin: Anyone decent out there? The Knicks were actually sort of considering 68-year-old Tyson Chandler, so I wonder if anyone good is still left on the market.

    We just released Omari Spellman so I guess him. Jeremy Lin is on GSW’s GLeague team, I don’t really know how that works. And Trier is still available.

    EDIT: And I’m sure they’ll be some buyouts around the trade deadline and some decent players will shake loose then.

  5. I was thinking Noel for Harris might worth it but then I looked at his contract- he’s owed 55m for the three seasons which I think is more than he’d be worth to the Knicks. And I’d rather keep Noel than kick the tires on TLC.

  6. Maybe I’m wrong but I think Dolan will never ok’d a trade with the Nets…

    P.S. I mean a real trade, not a dream as KD for DSJ :-)

  7. So, as I understand it, the Cavs receive Allen and Prince for Exum and a first round pick and a second round pick. The first round pick seems to be Milwaukee’s, which is almost certainly not going to be a high pick. That seems to me a great deal for them.

  8. Knick fan not in NJ:
    So, as I understand it, the Cavs receive Allen and Prince for Exum and a first round pick and a second round pick.The first round pick seems to be Milwaukee’s, which is almost certainly not going to be a high pick. That seems to me a great deal for them.

    We won’t know for sure until the full trade is officially announced but last I saw all the first round picks, Brooklyns 2022, 2024, 2026; Milwaukee’s 2022; and Brooklyn’s swaps in 2021, 2023, 2025, and 2027; were going to Houston. There’s a 2nd round pick going to Indy also. Don’t see any picks going to Cleveland.

  9. Two more games being postponed Friday: Wizards-Pistons and Warriors-Suns. Hard to imagine that the NBA is going to get through the season without another bubble.

  10. vincoug: We won’t know for sure until the full trade is officially announced but last I saw all the first round picks, Brooklyns 2022, 2024, 2026; Milwaukee’s 2022; and Brooklyn’s swaps in 2021, 2023, 2025, and 2027; were going to Houston.There’s a 2nd round pick going to Indy also.Don’t see any picks going to Cleveland.

    Maybe I wasn’t clear. No picks are going to Cleveland. They traded away a first round pick that was originally Milwaukee’s and their own second round pick. I still think it’s a great deal for them

  11. Knick fan not in NJ: Maybe I wasn’t clear.No picks are going to Cleveland.They traded away a first round pick that was originally Milwaukee’s and their own second round pick. I still think it’s a great deal for them

    Sorry, yeah I misunderstood.

  12. 3 guys off the Brooklyn street might not make for a bad starting 5, just saying… (is Marbury back from China?)

  13. 4 1st round picks. That must be over 8 years or something like that. A decade of misery is upon them. I wouldn’t make this trade for 1/2 the value!

  14. GoNYGoNYGo – Tanking forever:
    4 1st round picks. That must be over 8 years or something like that. A decade of misery is upon them.I wouldn’t make this trade for 1/2 the value!

    Plus pick swaps. If the Nets implode or suffer a major injury, the Rockets walk away like kings. As is, the last 4ish years may turn into some excellent picks.

  15. GoNYGoNYGo – Tanking forever:
    4 1st round picks. That must be over 8 years or something like that. A decade of misery is upon them.I wouldn’t make this trade for 1/2 the value!

    The four swaps start in the 2021 draft and go every other year until 2027. The four outright picks start in 2022 and go every other year until 2026. Houston’s getting 2 picks in 2022, Brooklyn’s and Milwaukee’s.

    I doubt this leads to a decade of misery. Durant, Harden, and Kyrie are 32, 31, and 28. They could easily play at a championship level until at least the 2026 season.

  16. They should just vaxx the NBA players/coaches already, it’s not that many doses, they travel all the time, and we’re fucking up the rollout enough that there are doses going to waste.

  17. i’m not sure how nets look defensively in this deal… none of these guys are known for their defense… even the coaches… gonna be interesting if they can get these guys to buyin defensively…

  18. vincoug: I doubt this leads to a decade of misery. Durant, Harden, and Kyrie are 32, 31, and 28. They could easily play at a championship level until at least the 2026 season.

    Durant and Irving have opt outs next season. I voted the under on the poll for a reason! If there ever was a team ready to implode, it’s the Nets. They could win 80% of their games if they don’t kill each other.

  19. I think the Invisible Sixth Man is guarding us tonight

    Also, apropos of nothing, but it’s pretty funny Jarrett Allen is backing up Andre Drummond. Although maybe he is a power forward these days.

  20. Z-man:
    Arenas are going to have to purchase rim insurance for when we’re in town…

    HA

    Randle has Jeff Green on him close to the basket. Post him, man, you are so much stronger.

  21. Owen:

    Also, apropos of nothing, but it’s pretty funny Jarrett Allen is backing up Andre Drummond. Although maybe he is a power forward these days.

    Guess the JaVale McGee point center offense wasn’t working out. Who would’ve thought?

  22. d-mar:
    It’s in RJ’s head now. He passed up a wide open 3 to pass to Rivers.

    It’s the right play, get the ball to the corner where it’s more efficient and passing to the better shooting Rivers. But boy is it painful to watch

  23. Three possessions Durant-vs.-Randle. Julius should try to get KD in foul trouble, but:

    Twice Randle had Durant on him in the paint, but chose a jumpshot. Hit both. Posted him and hit it too. Cannot argue with the results, but they should pound the paint, where the Nets are thin.

  24. Durant is really long, Randle is really not. I don’t think it’s that much of a mismatch if Randle has to finish over KD.

  25. Thibs was giving Knox a hard time after the 1st quarter buzzer. Probably because he badly missed Durant on the play that led to those KD’s FTs.

  26. Ntilakilla: RJ really is afraid of taking that 3, isn’t he? He had a wide open one with the clock expiring.

    He’s brutal right now, like random dude on the street bad, so not too surprising.

    Leonam:
    Thibs was giving Knox a hard time after the 1st quarter buzzer. Probably because he badly missed Durant on the play that led to those KD’s FTs.

    Maybe don’t bring in literally one of the worst defensive players in the league for that possession?

  27. RJ is really messed up right now…

    only reason I can watch these games right now is for mitch and quickely…everything else is meaningless…

  28. vincoug: He’s brutal right now, like random dude on the street bad, so not too surprising.

    Maybe don’t bring in literally one of the worst defensive players in the league for that possession?

    He’s the only long-ish wing player, so I’m guessing that’s why? He’s looked better on defense this year, but yeah he still sucks.

  29. I’ve watched some Nets games, and so far I think Nash is doing way better than I thought. Brooklyn usually plays well even when their stars are not on the court. Let’s see what happens with the new roster.

  30. pepper:
    RJ is really messed up right now…

    only reason I can watch these games right now is for mitch and quickely…everything else is meaningless…

    Same, Mitch and Quickley are the only interesting things about these games. Hopefully, we’ll be able to add Obi to that but I’m not hopeful.

  31. djphan:
    rj doesn’t have to shoot every open 3 he has… that doesn’t make him afraid….

    I mean, he did have around 3 seconds to shoot the ball before the quarter ended and then failed to get off a shot in time so….

  32. We finally get Noel and he starts sucking!

    RJ isn’t setting his legs when he shoots, like, ever… not surprised he’s missing everything.

  33. vincoug: Same, Mitch and Quickley are the only interesting things about these games.Hopefully, we’ll be able to add Obi to that but I’m not hopeful.

    yeah…fingers crossed he shows some promise

  34. I mean, he did have around 3 seconds to shoot the ball before the quarter ended and then failed to get off a shot in time so….

    and what’s the big deal with that?

  35. Z-man:
    Knox just can’t move his feet.

    his brain connection to his feet has one of those old Intel chips…he never got the upgrade

  36. I think what people will remember from this day might be that it was when The Bruce Brown Game happened. I can feel it.

  37. Reggie Perry would’ve been a fine pick up with the 33rd pick for some teams, but the Knicks just had way too much talent already, so it’s good they traded that pick.

  38. Voted over, Kyrie is always injured (or AWOL) but KD and Harden are durable, so i think next year with a more well rounded roster, they’ll be real contenders. With a window of 4 or 5 years, it’s highly likely they’ll win one. But my heart was pushing me to vote under.

  39. Knox is looking very confident from 3pt land. Great corner 3…. err 2 pointer :)

  40. I’d like for us to get a shot off if we can….

    maybe this is your first knick game but that’s kind of been a running theme this season and rj isn’t alone in that…


  41. @TravisAllen02
    Everyone getting arrested and losing their job for storming the Capitol building are realizing why their grandparents wore hoods.

  42. djphan: maybe this is your first knick game but that’s kind of been a running theme this season and rj isn’t alone in that…

    So? He should still get the open shot off. I don’t understand whats so hard to fathom here.

  43. Randle really does have pretty good touch, not sure why he’s never been able to be a consistent 3PT shooter

  44. I saw that the other day on Twitter. Good joke.

    I was going to make a joke about Knox getting drafted because his body is similar to Durant’s, to your point TNFH, and then Knox started going off.

    Maybe I am on to something…

  45. Ugh. Randle Melo’d that possession there hogging the ball, doing nothing and then dumping it off to a shooter to bail himself out.

  46. Never thought I would see Mitch get dehumanized like that.

    Hard to watch.

    DJ not dead yet, that was kind of nasty

  47. Barrett missing a three and Payton been blocked,
    a snapshot of their game.

    Payton is playing like shit and Barrett is melting right under our eyes…

    For all his shortcomings Randle is playing alone, I feel sorry for the guy.

  48. You can put together a 5 man unit of just Knickerblogger commenters and we’d shoot better than any combination the Knicks can put out.

  49. I started listening to “Still Got the Blues For You” by Gary Moore and decided and shut the Knicks off. Greatness and horribleness should not be on at the same time.

  50. We are bad and that was always going to be the case, but it’s worth mentioning RJ’s play over the past few games has basically precluded us from winning when you consider how much he plays

  51. Barrett, Payton, Rivers combined 2-19 (0-7 3PFG).

    Where are Burks and Frank?

    I’m really tired of the “Barrett’s not shooting well but he does oh so many things” bullshit…

  52. #You can put together a 5 man unit of just Knickerblogger commenters and we’d shoot better than any combination the Knicks can put out.#

    Sad but True!

  53. I never scored a shot outside of the paint in my high school career and I think I could still shoot better than RJ….

  54. Max:
    Barrett, Payton, Rivers combined 2-19 (0-7 3PFG).

    Where are Burks and Frank?

    I’m really tired of the “Barrett’s not shooting well but he does oh so many things” bullshit…

    He’s a decent enough passer and a decent to good rebounder for his position but it’s nowhere near good enough to make up for not being able to score at any level.

  55. There’s something totally dispiriting about a Payton/Rivers backcourt, along with almost everything else about the Knicks.

  56. Dink:
    You ever get the sinking feeling that the Knicks may have struck out on 4 lottery picks in a row?

    I hated the Obi pick especially with Haliburton available but I’d like to see him play actual minutes before declaring him a bust. It definitely feels like we struck out on 3 lottery picks in a row.

  57. #Frank is slowly becoming our best player by simply not demonstrating he still sucks. :-)#

    Frank seems to me right now as Gary Payton!

  58. Fucking Durant

    He is so good

    I feel like such an asshole that I ever thought he shouldn’t be on this team

  59. Rivers left an elbow on Brown; Jordan received him with an elbow in the paint. The refs called nothing.

  60. Yeah, Mitch should have just caught it.

    KD really is amazing. Especially when he is being guarded by 6’3 guards.

  61. I think we might not have given enough credit to KD’s basketball IQ when considering how he would return from the injury. He’s got every single possible shot in his arsenal on all 3 levels of scoring, and he’s still unguardable because no one can block his jumper, and the guys who can are never going to be fast enough to stay in front of him even when he’s lost a couple of steps. Just effortless scoring.

  62. Best quarter in a long time for Barrett despite being far from perfect…

    Despite his defensive shortcomings I’d rather play IQ 48 minutes, or until he fouls out, than Payton… at least one of the two could have a future… but stop that stupid floater!

    Thibs needs to find playing time for Knox…

  63. Z-man:
    Knox is just so sickening as an all-around player but the boy can shoot!

    That stroke is so pure. A real shame he can’t do a damn thing else worth a damn. I don’t know why his teammates freeze him out so much.

  64. Ntilakilla:
    If we combined Knox’s stroke with RJ’s game we’d have a perennial all-star.

    :-(

    Pretty sure we’d have a player that’s a pretty good 3point shooter mediocre at everything else instead of a pretty good 3point shooter who’s bad at everything else.

  65. vincoug: Pretty sure we’d have a player that’s a pretty good 3point shooter mediocre at everything else instead of a pretty good 3point shooter who’s bad at everything else.

    A 20 year old NBA player with those skills will be a very good.

  66. We should just force our opponents best player to switch onto IQ every game and let them foul out in 10 minutes

  67. I am sold on Knox’s stroke. I think he has it figured out at the NBA level. The rest is a MAJOR work in progress.

  68. I want to see a starting lineup of IQ, Burks, Bullock, Randle and Mitch. Good shooting. Good defense. It was telling that Thibs implored the team to chuck up 3’s during that time-out listen-in.

  69. pepper:
    payton and randle refuse to feed knox…douchebags…

    I maybe seeing things but there seems to be cliques. The vets (Randle and Payton) do not pass to the kids.

  70. I walked through the living room and my son had espn on. I said “who’s playing”, he said “the Nets and the Knicks”, I said “what, why??”, he shrugged, i stopped to watch a few minutes…

    First time ever seeing Barrett, Robinson, Knox, et al in an actual live game time.

    Barrett seems okay. Knox doesn’t look as bad as advertised, but the sample is tiny and he missed some shots, Robinson looks passive and tired (they don’t even look to involve him, which is weird, cause I thought the only thing holding him back was his foul rate).

  71. I’m really happy that Thibs has left most of the starters in the game. It’s definitely more important to play as many guys as close to 40 minutes as possible in the hope that we can improbably come back in this game. Way more valuable than getting Quickley and Toppin some more burn.

  72. It’s a fake comeback, but after the past 3 games it’s something the team can hang its hat on going forward. Hopefully.

  73. Thank god hockey season starts tomorrow and the other pro team that inhabits the garden that actual did a rebuild the right way is back on the ice…..

  74. ps, I just told my 13 year old daughter that Harden was traded to the Nets. She said “isn’t that what he wanted?”, i said “yup, he acted like a big enough baby that he got what he wanted”, she said “like trump”, I said “pretty much”, she said “they should have traded him to the Knicks to the Knicks just to teach him a lesson”…

    (There is so much in this conversation that I am proud of)

  75. Friday they’re at Cleveland so the Knicks could carry over this momentum and win their next game.

  76. Talk about fake comeback all you want.

    I like the fact that the team is fucking with BKN after they toyed with us all night.

  77. Did someone get into Thibs’ ear about his mask? I feel like he hasn’t taken it off at all this game when he would barely keep it on in all our previous games.

  78. Donnie Walsh:
    ps, I just told my 13 year old daughter that Harden was traded to the Nets. She said “isn’t that what he wanted?”, i said “yup, he acted like a big enough baby that he got what he wanted”, she said “like trump”, I said “pretty much”, she said “they should have traded him to the Knicks to the Knicks just to teach him a lesson”…

    (There is so much in this conversation that I am proud of)

    So cool :)

  79. I don’t think the Nets are annoyed. They beat a team with Durant and scrubs and have Harden in the fold.

  80. Brian Cronin:
    How did Knoxak not get a single three in that fake comeback once it was within 10? How silly.

    I dunno why they freeze him out so much. He’s clearly one of the team’s better shooters.

  81. Brian Cronin:
    How did Knoxak not get a single three in that fake comeback once it was within 10? How silly.

    Everyone, especially Randle, went hero ball at the end.

  82. Can we make a poll about this game?
    Would you prefer this game to had been postponed due to shitty starters protocol?
    Yes? No? Idk?

  83. I don’t think the Nets are annoyed. They beat a team with Durant and scrubs and have Harden in the fold.

    They had to bring Durant back on to the court, so I think that’s gotta be annoying. The rest of the game, of course, was a cakewalk for them.

  84. That is my main criticism of Thibs so far…it doesn’t appear that he is designing plays or an offense to get certain guys- Mitch around the hoop…Know or IQ from 3 (or Burks when he returns in late April)…instead we get Julius or Payton or RJ…wtf?

  85. Probably the best outcome. Nice bounce backs for RJ and I.Q. and Knox continues to shoot well while the tank becomes one step closer to reality.

  86. nicos:
    Probably the best outcome. Nice bounce backs for RJ and I.Q. and Knox continues to shoot well while the tank becomes one step closer to reality.

    I wouldn’t go so far as to call this a bounceback for RJ. His overall box score is fine, nothing great, but that’s all based on going red hot in the 3rd quarter of a blowout; he was terrible outside of that.

  87. Problem with Knox is he is strictly a spot up 3pt shooter. Anything off the dribble he’s awful right now. He’s not someone you run off screens, he can’t catch and shoot quickly off the catch unless he’s spotting up with his feet set already. But even today he did put the ball on the floor at times successfully so hopefully that is something we will see more often.

  88. Fake comeback aside (I like annoying the Nets) basically the game was lost in the second quarter,
    Rivers missed his first 7 shot, Barrett his first 6 and Payton was just Payton.
    Durant with “only” 26 points, but Bruce Brown (6’4″) had 14 rebounds (6 Off).

    Sorry but I didn’t like Mitch game tonight, a block here, a dunk there but generally he was less springy than usual and DAJ burned him more than once.
    Sign of life from Barrett after an horrid firts half (I’ll sign for a full year of 7-15 nights),
    we could criticize Randle as much as we like, but he’s playing well and has been the best player of the team all year by a mile,
    Rivers had a bad night (maybe he needs to take all his shots in the fourth quarter),
    IQ missed his first FT of the year (breaking a streak of 18) but I liked his game (15 ft floater aside) and hope he’ll become the starter soon,
    Knox shot very well, including a drive and a stepback, right now he’s our best three point shooter, alas he’s unable to do anything else and gets freezed by Payton/Randle every time.
    I didn’t understand or like the Toppin guest appearance.

    Let’s hope that Burks and Frank will come back soon.

    It’ll be very hard to out-tank Detroit but we could try our best…

  89. We may be worried about Obi Toppin, but Timberwolves fans (if there are any) have to be even more concerned about Anthony Edwards. He’s been pretty awful for a # 1 pick.

  90. Some pretty good NBA prospects in the Texas/Texas Tech game on ESPN 2 (Greg Brown, Terrence Shannon Jr., Kai Jones).

    Honestly the second half of that game was decently fun to watch, can’t complain. Give me more 6 3PA games from Quickley!

  91. With Knox it’s all about baby steps. He’s not the worst player in the NBA right now….that’s a step forward.

  92. Knox drove to the basket once and hit a step back jumper after a dribble or two. These thoroughly unremarkable acts, regularly observed in most NBA players, were some of the first instances of such exhibited by him.

    There was some very mild rejoicing….

    He still stinks. But his TS% might be above league average after this. So that is something.

  93. He still stinks. But his TS% might be above league average after this. So that is something.

    Yeah, he’s been shooting so well that he’s downright playable so far this year. It really is a huge improvement. A very limited player, but that’s still a huge step up for him!

  94. Knox is still just 21- he’s younger than both Obi and Quickley. If this were his first/second season (which wouldn’t be crazy given his age) everybody would be pretty excited I think. Having watched him play in a fog for two solid years does temper the enthusiasm quite a bit though. But a 6’9″ 21 year old who can really shoot has some asset value so let’s hope he keeps it up.

  95. It was kind of interesting to see Durant in Randle’s ear after the game- had that “keep it up I like what you’re doing” vibe.

  96. pepper:
    watching Halliburton…how the heck did we pass on this guy?

    He’s good. Seems like a guy who rarely loses control of what he’s doing.

  97. Nickeil Alexander Walker just randomly puts up 37 points on 23 shots against the Clippers. This season is weird

  98. Not to minimize KD’s greatness, but I feel like this was a game we should have won. Defense should have been simple- make Durant beat you by himself. Who cares if he goes for 60? As long as we’re not letting their shooters get free and letting DJ dominate the boards, we should win that one. But they absolutely killed us in the 2nd quarter. Oh..and someone needs to tell Elf to stop shooting jumpers. He needs to focus on attacking the paint. I know it’s hard without Bullock or Burks out there, but he’s gotta stick to his guns.

    I don’t wanna kill the team because I know we’ve got some injuries, but I don’t know what Thibs is thinking. If the goal is to get shooting in the starting 5 while guys are out, then you elevate Knox or Quickley and leave Rivers as your 6th man. Teams don’t fear Rivers from outside.

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