Tonight’s 4 Factors (@ SAC, 11/16/07)

After each game this season, we’ll be taking a look at what the four factors have to say about the game– how the winner won and the loser lost. For an intro to the four factors, see A Layman’s Guide to Advanced NBA Statistics.

Knicks lose to Kings, 118 – 123

	Pace	Eff	eFG	FT/FG	OREB%	TOr
NYK	91.0	107.3	42.5%	33.0	36.5	12.7
SAC		111.8	51.7%	39.5	27.7	17.3

Another bad, frustrating loss. You might look at this game and blame Curry’s blown layup at the end of regulation, or Crawford’s and Lee’s misses at the end of the first OT, or the Knicks’ failure to grab a key defensive rebound off a missed free throw at the end of second OT. But games are won and lost not on singular possessions, but over the course of every possession played in the entire game. The Knicks came up short in this department on both ends, accounting for a loss to one of the league’s inferior teams.

Defensively, the Knicks allowed the Kings to score 7.3 points per 100 possessions more than their season average. The Kings shot better from the field, rebounded better offensively, and did more damage from the free throw line than their norms to date, without a dropoff in TO rate.

Offensively, the Knicks failed to capitalize on one of the league’s most porous defenses (29th in defensive efficiency coming into the game). The Kings had been allowing their opponents to score 113.9 points per 100 possessions, but the Knicks only managed 107.3. New York actually did a fine job on the offensive boards, getting to the line, and keeping their TOs down. All of their offensive futility tonight can be chalked up to poor shooting from the field. Crawford and Richardson were the main goats in this respect, combining for 10-35 shooting.

4 factor stats were acquired using the ESPN4Factors script by Cherokee of the ABPRmetrics board. Firefox users can use this script (after installing the Greasemonkey extension) to see 4 factor stats automatically displayed in all NBA boxscores on

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13 thoughts to “Tonight’s 4 Factors (@ SAC, 11/16/07)”

  1. a whopping -17 for Curry in +/-, that’s tough to do in a double OT game.

    the talent of Artest is remarkable, almost no centers in the league can guard Curry one on one, but he did a very good job down the stretch after Miller fouled out, very impressive.

  2. Artest is impressive. He can guard anybody in the league, even down to the guards. He is very long and very athletic. The knicks can never put it together.

  3. Curry and Lee were great tonight. The only problem is they were the only Knicks besides Jeffries (1-1) that shot over 50% and Crawford was 9-27, Q was 1-8, Jones and Rose were both 0-3.

    I am very sad about the outcome so I will just try and stay positive. Curry another 2 turnover game while shooting 7-9 from the FT line. Also Lee looked like the man we saw last year finishing around the basket and attacking the rim. Only one bad jumper, the airball from the top of the key.

    One small gripe but Rose should never play again. He isn’t even a good defender anymore. Jeffries, Q, Balkman, Chandler and Morris are all better options. Did anyone notice we got in the penalty with 9:30 left in the second quarter. Its pretty hard to commit 5 fouls that fast.

  4. JC had his usual bad shot selection…we need a 2. This team can’t shoot a jumper. Q is still not shooting, whats up w/ him…

  5. I sound like a broken record…Perimeter shooting has killed this team the last 3 seasons. This team needs a major upgrade on Steph, Q, but especially Crawford. He’s not going to learn to play the game at this level. The worst thing with him is a few of his bad shots go in, so he’ll just keep taking them. His body is never square to the basket when he shoots, everything off balance. Giving him the green light is killing the team. Again. Q is finished. Steph is aging.
    Those three shot about 40 percent from the field last year and they are worse so far this year. Literally killing this team. And no one defends.
    Those three ALL must go after this season if not before. These 8 games make Larry Brown look like a sage. That kills me. I don’t know if Isiah makes it through the next two weeks. It would take a miracle.

  6. It’s well established that Jamal Crawford is a bad player: a 40% shooter who plays miserable defense. This year he’s added an exciting new dimension: 4 turnovers per game.

    Maybe he’d be an okay bench player, but as a starting guard averaging over 40 minutes a game he is absolutely brutal.

  7. Crawford would be a good bench player. Play him when he’s hot, useless when he’s not. Why the hell did they play Malik Rose last night? Is Chandler injured? If not, I don’t think he could possibly be any worse than Rose. Here’s a stupid trade idea…

    Malik Rose


    Raef Laefrentz
    Darius Miles
    Joel Pryzbilla

  8. Thanks Knickerblogger for giving me a place to vent. Another day and another loss for the Knicks. They seem to find new and creative ways to do it. The image that sticks in my mind is how a man as big and strong as Curry could get the ball under the basket with 2 seconds left behind his man and not dunk the ball. He let a small player alter his flip at the basket and miss shot that would have won the game. A memorable moment in current Knicks play. This team is just impossible to dissect becuse the problems keep shifting. One night it’s Marbury’s defense. Last night he looked good on D for a little while on Martin but bad shots by Crawford and Richardson killed them. The next game, maybe Curry will turn it over too much or Zach takes too many bad shots. Then it’s back to Marbury’s bad D or turnovers or injuries or no rotation on D or a Jeffries brick at a crutial time. How many times have we got to hear that someone scored their career high against the Knicks. It’s like the whole thing is just wrong. For the first time, I am not upset anymore with these losses. I see it as a possiblitiy to get Isiah fired and maybe get a top draft choice this year to finally build a team around. Let’s just hope Isiah doesn’t get a chance to trade this years pick for another flawed, overpaid player before he is shown the door.

  9. it was pretty funny how Gus and Kenny Smith couldn’t stop raving about how good Marbury’s D was on Martin, and he ended up with a career high. I know that a lot of that wasn’t with Marbury on him, but still pretty funny.

  10. They have no heart, but what a surprise. The lunatics run the asylum. starting at the top with Dolan, Thomas, and their best player Marbury

    Im was thinking to myself geez, what would the Oak Man have done if these clowns pulled this stuff? Youre stuck with Marbury no one wants him His track record speaks for itself. Crawford? Never saw a shot he didnt take. Im watching the Nugget game and theyre only down by 28. Clear the bench, let the young guys play and learn something. The coach has never won anything as a coach. He cant even with in the court of law. They say that NY fans wont tolerate a rebuilding year, but weve had a rebuilding 5 years. I remember the Knicks under Hubie Brown and they had no one, butthey gave their all. Thats what the city loved about them same when Pitino was here. they are heartless gutless and overpaid. We will ahve to deal with it until the league intercedes. Where are you Commissioner Stern?

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